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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 11, 2018 6:55:26 GMT
At the very least, I'd need to see some gameplay before ordering. Not just cute videos of "the plan that fails". Always the best approach, normally if I pre-order its just before the pre-load starts and there has been plenty of content to judge the game on. I actually think this was a big part of why people were put off by MEA right from the start. The videos shown were the exact opposite of what we got in the game. Even if they'd had something like "...and then it all went wrong" at the very end, at least expectations would kind of be met.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 11, 2018 8:05:21 GMT
Always the best approach, normally if I pre-order its just before the pre-load starts and there has been plenty of content to judge the game on. I actually think this was a big part of why people were put off by MEA right from the start. The videos shown were the exact opposite of what we got in the game. Even if they'd had something like "...and then it all went wrong" at the very end, at least expectations would kind of be met. I wonder, what was that different in the videos? I've only seen the ai briefings and some trailers.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 11, 2018 11:55:18 GMT
Always the best approach, normally if I pre-order its just before the pre-load starts and there has been plenty of content to judge the game on. I actually think this was a big part of why people were put off by MEA right from the start. The videos shown were the exact opposite of what we got in the game. Even if they'd had something like "...and then it all went wrong" at the very end, at least expectations would kind of be met. The game felt pretty close to what we were being offered combined with knowledge of what a BioWare game is. The only thing that I would say that the videos and such really didn't prepare me for was the open world concept, but I knew that was there from the way they were describing the game.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 11, 2018 12:23:41 GMT
I actually think this was a big part of why people were put off by MEA right from the start. The videos shown were the exact opposite of what we got in the game. Even if they'd had something like "...and then it all went wrong" at the very end, at least expectations would kind of be met. The only video I liked was the one with Garson on the moon.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 11, 2018 14:11:48 GMT
I actually think this was a big part of why people were put off by MEA right from the start. The videos shown were the exact opposite of what we got in the game. Even if they'd had something like "...and then it all went wrong" at the very end, at least expectations would kind of be met. The game felt pretty close to what we were being offered combined with knowledge of what a BioWare game is. The only thing that I would say that the videos and such really didn't prepare me for was the open world concept, but I knew that was there from the way they were describing the game. Indeed.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 11, 2018 14:14:41 GMT
I actually think this was a big part of why people were put off by MEA right from the start. The videos shown were the exact opposite of what we got in the game. Even if they'd had something like "...and then it all went wrong" at the very end, at least expectations would kind of be met. The only video I liked was the one with Garson on the moon. If i remember correctly that was the ryder siblings.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 12, 2018 4:23:23 GMT
I actually think this was a big part of why people were put off by MEA right from the start. The videos shown were the exact opposite of what we got in the game. Even if they'd had something like "...and then it all went wrong" at the very end, at least expectations would kind of be met. I wonder, what was that different in the videos? I've only seen the ai briefings and some trailers. They set you up to colonize new worlds and find adventure. Instead, all the worlds were a wreck and they had to struggle to make them habitable while fighting against aggressors. IOW, it was precisely nothing like the videos inferred.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 12, 2018 10:15:30 GMT
I wonder, what was that different in the videos? I've only seen the ai briefings and some trailers. They set you up to colonize new worlds and find adventure. Instead, all the worlds were a wreck and they had to struggle to make them habitable while fighting against aggressors. IOW, it was precisely nothing like the videos inferred. ...that's not a problem at all imo. What would've been the point if the planets were fine, and there isn't something difficult for them(the adventure is here along with other things that happen later in the story. Exploration is also an adventure which is the main theme of the game). As a whole, I don't think it had something that was shown and cut later on(maybe one scene but others we were shown were in it but with some tweaks). I also don't think they said things that gave you the wrong impression, we all know they might say something for marketing purposes but not outright lying like square enix did with ffxv.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 12, 2018 10:39:09 GMT
They set you up to colonize new worlds and find adventure. Instead, all the worlds were a wreck and they had to struggle to make them habitable while fighting against aggressors. IOW, it was precisely nothing like the videos inferred. ...that's not a problem at all imo. What would've been the point if the planets were fine, and there isn't something difficult for them(the adventure is here along with other things that happen later in the story. Exploration is also an adventure which is the main theme of the game). As a whole, I don't think it had something that was shown and cut later on(maybe one scene but others we were shown were in it but with some tweaks). I also don't think they said things that gave you the wrong impression, we all know they might say something for marketing purposes but not outright lying like square enix did with ffxv. It's not a problem for me, either. I also didn't say it was something cut. What I said was that it could have contributed to the poor reception.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 12, 2018 11:38:43 GMT
...that's not a problem at all imo. What would've been the point if the planets were fine, and there isn't something difficult for them(the adventure is here along with other things that happen later in the story. Exploration is also an adventure which is the main theme of the game). As a whole, I don't think it had something that was shown and cut later on(maybe one scene but others we were shown were in it but with some tweaks). I also don't think they said things that gave you the wrong impression, we all know they might say something for marketing purposes but not outright lying like square enix did with ffxv. It's not a problem for me, either. I also didn't say it was something cut. What I said was that it could have contributed to the poor reception. I know, i just wanted to add that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 8:56:57 GMT
I don't have much faith left in their ability to make games at this point, but if they do I hope it's not focused purely on "What would straight guys think of this content". again. At least that's apparently what they did this past game, and the results for the gay content was quite shockingly bad (especially Gil) Also, I hope they learn how lesbians have sex-cause Peebee's scene was just bad.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 13, 2018 12:19:01 GMT
I don't have much faith left in their ability to make games at this point, but if they do I hope it's not focused purely on "What would straight guys think of this content". again. At least that's apparently what they did this past game, and the results for the gay content was quite shockingly bad (especially Gil) Also, I hope they learn how lesbians have sex-cause Peebee's scene was just bad. I get the impression you have never played a BioWare game before then, for its always bad. If you don't like what they produce now then you wouldn't have liked what they produced in the past for it was cringeworthy.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 13, 2018 17:51:06 GMT
I don't have much faith left in their ability to make games at this point, but if they do I hope it's not focused purely on "What would straight guys think of this content". again. At least that's apparently what they did this past game, and the results for the gay content was quite shockingly bad (especially Gil) Also, I hope they learn how lesbians have sex-cause Peebee's scene was just bad. I get the impression you have never played a BioWare game before then, for its always bad. If you don't like what they produce now then you wouldn't have liked what they produced in the past for it was cringeworthy. You'd be wrong. He's played, at the very least, all four ME games and all three DA games. His issue isn't so much with the overall game but lack of LGBT representation. He said as much in his post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 9:27:03 GMT
I get the impression you have never played a BioWare game before then, for its always bad. If you don't like what they produce now then you wouldn't have liked what they produced in the past for it was cringeworthy. You'd be wrong. He's played, at the very least, all four ME games and all three DA games. His issue isn't so much with the overall game but lack of LGBT representation. He said as much in his post. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't check this board as much lately. Yeah, some of the past romances have been cringy, but they have never been homophobic and as nonsensical as Gil's romance was. It was an all-time low for BioWare on the representation front in a game where there is any gay content at all.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 14, 2018 10:33:10 GMT
You'd be wrong. He's played, at the very least, all four ME games and all three DA games. His issue isn't so much with the overall game but lack of LGBT representation. He said as much in his post. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't check this board as much lately. Yeah, some of the past romances have been cringy, but they have never been homophobic and as nonsensical as Gil's romance was. It was an all-time low for BioWare on the representation front in a game where there is any gay content at all. They should cut all romance stuff except for the MP romance, then the bickering will finally stop.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 14, 2018 11:05:36 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up. I don't check this board as much lately. Yeah, some of the past romances have been cringy, but they have never been homophobic and as nonsensical as Gil's romance was. It was an all-time low for BioWare on the representation front in a game where there is any gay content at all. They should cut all romance stuff except for the MP romance, then the bickering will finally stop. I agree, its one of the selling points of Anthem for me now. I am tried of every side of the argument complaining about the romances, its now a lost cause and I think the games would be better without any.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 14, 2018 11:52:47 GMT
They should cut all romance stuff except for the MP romance, then the bickering will finally stop. I agree, its one of the selling points of Anthem for me now. I am tried of every side of the argument complaining about the romances, its now a lost cause and I think the games would be better without any. Last MEA PT I played as default Sara, and didnt romance anyone, even though a couple of persons were attractive and threw themselves into my arms, I just didnt feel this time like so. Scott with Peebee was actually excellently done. Maybe next time, but its all how I feel during the game. I dont feel they are completely necessary, but they bring some flavour to those who like them a lot. First time ME1 I didnt even understand what they were saying, because I was in "adhd" mode to see and explore more of the universe - later on its been mostly Liara/Ash there.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 14, 2018 12:08:46 GMT
You'd be wrong. He's played, at the very least, all four ME games and all three DA games. His issue isn't so much with the overall game but lack of LGBT representation. He said as much in his post. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't check this board as much lately. Yeah, some of the past romances have been cringy, but they have never been homophobic and as nonsensical as Gil's romance was. It was an all-time low for BioWare on the representation front in a game where there is any gay content at all. The scenes may not be perfect but I definitely don't get the homophobic vibe at all though I haven't done the whole Gill romance. I'll check it out. Regarding the lesbian thing it be hard to fully show that without making the scene fully adult. Plus it'd be hard to animate. To me they did the best they could. With all the lesbian options in all the games.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 14, 2018 13:33:13 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up. I don't check this board as much lately. Yeah, some of the past romances have been cringy, but they have never been homophobic and as nonsensical as Gil's romance was. It was an all-time low for BioWare on the representation front in a game where there is any gay content at all. The scenes may not be perfect but I definitely don't get the homophobic vibe at all though I haven't done the whole Gill romance. I'll check it out. Regarding the lesbian thing it be hard to fully show that without making the scene fully adult. Plus it'd be hard to animate. To me they did the best they could. With all the lesbian options in all the games. I think the problem at least how I see it is that we as a society are looking for things that match our viewpoints exactly and if it doesn't it was done to be negative. Which I am currently seeing with the the Ruby Rose situation as well. Its why I think things like Romances which David Gaider at one point in his now gone blog when talking about Inquisition made it sound like the only reason why they were included was because they were expected.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 14, 2018 14:29:28 GMT
The scenes may not be perfect but I definitely don't get the homophobic vibe at all though I haven't done the whole Gill romance. I'll check it out. Regarding the lesbian thing it be hard to fully show that without making the scene fully adult. Plus it'd be hard to animate. To me they did the best they could. With all the lesbian options in all the games. I think the problem at least how I see it is that we as a society are looking for things that match our viewpoints exactly and if it doesn't it was done to be negative. Which I am currently seeing with the the Ruby Rose situation as well. Its why I think things like Romances which David Gaider at one point in his now gone blog when talking about Inquisition made it sound like the only reason why they were included was because they were expected. That's a good point. I don't mind romances in games but they will never meet everyones expectations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 19:17:35 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up. I don't check this board as much lately. Yeah, some of the past romances have been cringy, but they have never been homophobic and as nonsensical as Gil's romance was. It was an all-time low for BioWare on the representation front in a game where there is any gay content at all. The scenes may not be perfect but I definitely don't get the homophobic vibe at all though I haven't done the whole Gill romance. I'll check it out. Regarding the lesbian thing it be hard to fully show that without making the scene fully adult. Plus it'd be hard to animate. To me they did the best they could. With all the lesbian options in all the games. Gil's whole storyline is about how he's failing his duty as a man if he doesn't have biological children. An argument that has been used to tear down gay men for ages. Also, if you don't agree to co-parent this child with a woman who said these offensive things you can't even kiss Gil after the final battle like all of the other romance options. If that doesn't offend you that's fine, but it is very offensive to many players. It is a failure on so many levels.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 15, 2018 2:34:03 GMT
The scenes may not be perfect but I definitely don't get the homophobic vibe at all though I haven't done the whole Gill romance. I'll check it out. Regarding the lesbian thing it be hard to fully show that without making the scene fully adult. Plus it'd be hard to animate. To me they did the best they could. With all the lesbian options in all the games. Gil's whole storyline is about how he's failing his duty as a man if he doesn't have biological children. An argument that has been used to tear down gay men for ages. Also, if you don't agree to co-parent this child with a woman who said these offensive things you can't even kiss Gil after the final battle like all of the other romance options. If that doesn't offend you that's fine, but it is very offensive to many players. It is a failure on so many levels. So what you are saying is you don't like BioWare portraying a same sex relationship they way it happens right now and they are only allowed to portray relationships in the most idealized position available?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 2:51:09 GMT
Gil's whole storyline is about how he's failing his duty as a man if he doesn't have biological children. An argument that has been used to tear down gay men for ages. Also, if you don't agree to co-parent this child with a woman who said these offensive things you can't even kiss Gil after the final battle like all of the other romance options. If that doesn't offend you that's fine, but it is very offensive to many players. It is a failure on so many levels. So what you are saying is you don't like BioWare portraying a same sex relationship they way it happens right now and they are only allowed to portray relationships in the most idealized position available? That's not how relationships happen now, and I don't think it's asking a lot to not make a romance offensive to the target audience.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 16, 2018 9:41:10 GMT
Gil's whole storyline is about how he's failing his duty as a man if he doesn't have biological children. An argument that has been used to tear down gay men for ages. Also, if you don't agree to co-parent this child with a woman who said these offensive things you can't even kiss Gil after the final battle like all of the other romance options. If that doesn't offend you that's fine, but it is very offensive to many players. It is a failure on so many levels. So what you are saying is you don't like BioWare portraying a same sex relationship they way it happens right now and they are only allowed to portray relationships in the most idealized position available? BioWare did fine with Kaidan and Steve. It was some real bullshit with Gil. If this sort of bullshit were happening to straight characters you'd be losing your shit.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 16, 2018 9:56:55 GMT
So what you are saying is you don't like BioWare portraying a same sex relationship they way it happens right now and they are only allowed to portray relationships in the most idealized position available? BioWare did fine with Kaidan and Steve. It was some real bullshit with Gil. If this sort of bullshit were happening to straight characters you'd be losing your shit. I disagree about Kaidan. Kaidan came on to my straight male Shep, out of the blue, and really threw me for a loop. Besides the fact that in ME1 it seemed like Kaidan was ready to make out with whichever sexed Shep came to talk to him, I never had a clue. It was jarring. ... That's my opinion as a straight man. ... I romanced Steve in a subsequent playthrough. ... MEA handled every subject like a booger picking 3 year old. My face is tired, hi I'm a trans, oh shame on me I won't make babies. Fuck that stupid game.
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