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Post by Iddy on Aug 9, 2018 14:02:57 GMT
The Inquisition is either disbanded or reduced to the Divine's lackeys.
All that work on building and expanding... and then it is gone. Does anyone else feel the same way, at least to some extent?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 9, 2018 14:12:15 GMT
I honestly don't think about it. Nearly everything that happened previously will most likely be rendered irrelevant by the event of the next game.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 9, 2018 14:35:14 GMT
I honestly don't think about it. Nearly everything that happened previously will most likely be rendered irrelevant by the event of the next game. As you already said before: "I don't really think about stuff like that. I'm over the Inquisitor, BioWare can do what they want with him/her. I just want the next damn game already, with a new protagonist." Why bother replying to this kind of topic?
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 9, 2018 15:12:17 GMT
Not really. Building the Inquisition was about saving the world. We saved it. I’d rather end the Inquisition than see it inevitably fall to corruption.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 9, 2018 15:18:22 GMT
Hole in the sky: plugged Coryphywaffles: exit stage left Bunch of annoying people: killed, tranquilized, put into a box
Overall a good outcome. It was time for everyone to go home and enjoy some peace and quiet anyway.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 9, 2018 15:19:42 GMT
Not really. The Inquisition idea was first the Divine's idea, because the Chantry was loosing its power over templars, mages and Seekers. Then Cass and co launch it to solve the Coryfifih crisis. You deal with both issues in the game and peaceful time are back in southern Thedas.
The Inquisition being independant from the Chantry was frankly weird, and the game only makes sense of that by making the Chantry sisters left in Val Royeaux a stupid bunch of headless chicken. The reality is the mages, templars and Seekers who were still willing to work with the Chantry are in the Inquisition...The Herald of Andraste is protected by the Inquisition, but since he's the only one who can close the Breach, it's the intelligent things to do. But the Inquisition doesn't officialy proclaim the Herald is a true prophet, they just let people talk. They are still working with the Chantry in Val Royeaux, because Josephine is in touch with them when the Chantry is brainstorming their official stance on the Herald.
Then most of the game is how the Chantry is stuck and can't make decisions because they are voting for a new Divine... You'd think they'd follow the last Divine will in the meantime but nooooo.
Always though it was funny how the game pretend you're independant from the Chantry when most of your higher up are Chantry folks and the Inquisition was formed on a Divine's writ.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 9, 2018 15:35:52 GMT
I'm pretty sure early in the game there is various references to the Inquisition being a temporary solution from Cassandra and a few others. Only Solas push for a continuation post Breach sealing (before the fact is accomplished and Cory revealed). He also makes sure you get put in-charges of the Inquisition by having you lead the survivors to Skyhold letting you take all the credits for the discovery.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 16:03:08 GMT
No not really, we closed all those rifts after all. Imagine the damage they would have done. All the building and expanding was to make the Inquisition powerful enough to defeat Cory. After that they're kinda just hanging around mopping things up, so perhaps they've reached their natural end and either need to morph into something new, or disband.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 9, 2018 16:13:13 GMT
Well, first that's not really a valid question since regardless of what you choose in Trespasser at the end of the DLC and in the comics that take place after that there is still some Inquisition that is operating in secret.
But as for the question, no. The Inquisition achieved what it was made to do: stop the Breach and those responsible. It has fulfilled those purposes, with the exception of stopping the guy who set everything in motion but again that's what the secret Inquisition is doing.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 9, 2018 17:03:48 GMT
Not really. Building the Inquisition was about saving the world. We saved it. I’d rather end the Inquisition than see it inevitably fall to corruption. Yeah we did as Cassandra says in the beginning"we will l close the breach find those responsible for causing it and restore order" which was the Inquisitions job. It accomplished this for the most part over the course of the game. The only thing it failed to do was capture the real culprit for the mess Solas but that was more due to the fact we didn't know (or at least our heroes didn't know) he was responsible until Trespasser when you discover the clues and he puts his hands up and admits it. I had no problem with how the story ends because as has been asid the job has pretty much been done.
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Post by xerrai on Aug 9, 2018 17:59:22 GMT
Most of the Inquisition's purpose was fulfilled by the end of the main game: defeating Corypheus, sealing the breach, bringing order to the world. In the course of the game we do things like end the War of the Lions and the Mage-Templar war and do things like inserting a strong Inquisition presence in certain places (think the capture of Caer Bronach). Then we continued to gain more power.
The only real reason they had to remain after that was to seal rifts scattered throughout the world. Whatever claim they had to "stopping chaos" is mostly moot now, and all that's left is an unaligned and powerful military presence in many territories throughout Thedas. To put it plainly, the Inquisition has outlived its purpose. It was time for it to either find a new purpose (Divine's Guard) or disappear altogether (Disband).
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Post by colfoley on Aug 9, 2018 19:26:03 GMT
Nope.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 9, 2018 19:43:51 GMT
I agree with you to the extent that what was the point of all that growth across Thedas if ultimately it was not going to continue? The amount of power, influence and wealth we accumulated was way in excess of what we needed to defeat Corypheus. It definitely seemed like we were establishing something permanent which would act as a keeper of the peace, completely independent of any other organisation, nation or state. Effectively we were restoring the Inquisition as it existed before Drakon absorbed it into the Chantry. Naturally those in power felt threatened by such an organisation because, like the first Inquisition, we were not working to anyone else's agenda but our own and treated everyone the same, whether noble or commoner, if they were threatening the common good.
I seem to recall that in the initial promotion of the game the Devs even suggested that we were establishing a sort of Thedas Jedi Order. Since I thought that we needed a form of Thedas wide police force who could stand up for the ordinary people and ensure justice for all, not just the elite few and no matter what their race, I was really committed to doing a good job at being fair and even handed, though I realise not everyone would have played it that way. So it was rather disappointing when ultimately my only choices were to disband the organisation or let it become the puppet of the Chantry again. Since I didn't want history repeating itself, my preferred option is always to disband.
Then, of course, we discover that some element of it still exists regardless of what we decide to do, so as Leliana put it, we are now working in the shadows instead of out in the open. She was suggesting this as the best course of action, even as Divine, before we ran into Solas so I assume he isn't the only reason we keep going as we do. So if that is what it takes to maintain some sort of organisation that is the conscience of the strong and defender of the weak, then so be it.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 9, 2018 20:53:59 GMT
No, because you still restored order during a chaotic time when no one else was willing to do so. Those lives were still saved. It counts.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 9, 2018 21:01:35 GMT
The goal of the Inquisition was to close the Breach and deal with whoever did it. That's what happened.
In general, Good is a reactive force. Once the evil is gone, good groups tend to go away.
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Post by ellehaym on Aug 9, 2018 23:04:23 GMT
I was always under the impression that after Corypheus and what's left of the Venatori is defeated that the Inquisition would eventually disband. Maybe it would leave a new organization(s) much like how the original Inquisition left behind the Seeker and Templar order.
Not surprised leaders are concerned about the Inquisition because it had a lot of wealth, influence and territory within their nation. I
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Post by colfoley on Aug 9, 2018 23:49:40 GMT
I agree with you to the extent that what was the point of all that growth across Thedas if ultimately it was not going to continue? The amount of power, influence and wealth we accumulated was way in excess of what we needed to defeat Corypheus. It definitely seemed like we were establishing something permanent which would act as a keeper of the peace, completely independent of any other organisation, nation or state. Effectively we were restoring the Inquisition as it existed before Drakon absorbed it into the Chantry. Naturally those in power felt threatened by such an organisation because, like the first Inquisition, we were not working to anyone else's agenda but our own and treated everyone the same, whether noble or commoner, if they were threatening the common good. I seem to recall that in the initial promotion of the game the Devs even suggested that we were establishing a sort of Thedas Jedi Order. Since I thought that we needed a form of Thedas wide police force who could stand up for the ordinary people and ensure justice for all, not just the elite few and no matter what their race, I was really committed to doing a good job at being fair and even handed, though I realise not everyone would have played it that way. So it was rather disappointing when ultimately my only choices were to disband the organisation or let it become the puppet of the Chantry again. Since I didn't want history repeating itself, my preferred option is always to disband. Then, of course, we discover that some element of it still exists regardless of what we decide to do, so as Leliana put it, we are now working in the shadows instead of out in the open. She was suggesting this as the best course of action, even as Divine, before we ran into Solas so I assume he isn't the only reason we keep going as we do. So if that is what it takes to maintain some sort of organisation that is the conscience of the strong and defender of the weak, then so be it. Granted this does fall into the realm of 'head canon' but for me and my Inquisitor it made a lot of sense to marry the Inquisition to the Chantry. It was clear that the Orlesian Empire wanted to control the Inquisition and disbanding it wasn't much of an option but the powers that be wouldn't logically tolerate the status quo. This way both organizations can stay honest and it acts as a check on both. The Chantry can't get too uppity with my Inquisitor watching from the inside and the Inquisition is reduced in power so it doesn't become a threat.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 10, 2018 0:39:41 GMT
The Inquisition is either disbanded or reduced to the Divine's lackeys. All that work on building and expanding... and then it is gone. Does anyone else feel the same way, at least to some extent? I'll admit I was expecting it to have more presence going forward. But since I was expecting it to go completely out of control after our current Inquisitor died, and for the next game to take place a while after that and have them as an enemy faction, I think I prefer this outcome to what I'd expected. At any rate, I'm not sure how much of a comedown it is for the Inquisitor to submit to Chantry oversight. No matter which Divine you wind up with, she was at one point the Inquisitor's subordinate, and she reassumes that role behind the scenes for the purposes dealing with the Qunari. I think no matter which Divine you wind up with, she's going to view you as a favored, trusted, and important subordinate at least, rather than as a "lackey." Cassandra might even treat you more as an equal. (And as a side note, if you enjoy fucking with Teagan, then you should know that he's probably going to assume you're "surrendering" to your "former" subordinate's "outside oversight" as a legal fiction to let yourself keep de facto control of your own organization.)
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Post by Iddy on Aug 10, 2018 0:58:25 GMT
The Inquisition is either disbanded or reduced to the Divine's lackeys. All that work on building and expanding... and then it is gone. Does anyone else feel the same way, at least to some extent? I'll admit I was expecting it to have more presence going forward. But since I was expecting it to go completely out of control after our current Inquisitor died, and for the next game to take place a while after that and have them as an enemy faction, I think I prefer this outcome to what I'd expected. At any rate, I'm not sure how much of a comedown it is for the Inquisitor to submit to Chantry oversight. No matter which Divine you wind up with, she was at one point the Inquisitor's subordinate, and she reassumes that role behind the scenes for the purposes dealing with the Qunari. I think no matter which Divine you wind up with, she's going to view you as a favored, trusted, and important subordinate at least, rather than as a "lackey." (And as a side note, if you enjoy fucking with Teagan, then you should know that he's probably going to assume you're "surrendering" to your "former" subordinate's "outside oversight" as a legal fiction to let yourself keep de facto control of your own organization.) Considering the Chantry's history of misusing military power and the fact that there will be new Divines in the future, I don't think it's a good idea to have the Inquisition serve them.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 10, 2018 1:04:23 GMT
I'll admit I was expecting it to have more presence going forward. But since I was expecting it to go completely out of control after our current Inquisitor died, and for the next game to take place a while after that and have them as an enemy faction, I think I prefer this outcome to what I'd expected. At any rate, I'm not sure how much of a comedown it is for the Inquisitor to submit to Chantry oversight. No matter which Divine you wind up with, she was at one point the Inquisitor's subordinate, and she reassumes that role behind the scenes for the purposes dealing with the Qunari. I think no matter which Divine you wind up with, she's going to view you as a favored, trusted, and important subordinate at least, rather than as a "lackey." (And as a side note, if you enjoy fucking with Teagan, then you should know that he's probably going to assume you're "surrendering" to your "former" subordinate's "outside oversight" as a legal fiction to let yourself keep de facto control of your own organization.) Considering the Chantry's history of misusing military power and the fact that there will be new Divines in the future, I don't think it's a good idea to have the Inquisition serve them. It could very well end poorly in a generation or two... or maybe faster if Vivienne gets the top spot. (Keyword: maybe.) But still, I don't think the Inquisition's been reduced to mere lackeys yet... unless you meant long-term, because that's absolutely a possible long-term result once the Inquisitor and the Divine who respected them are both dead.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 10, 2018 1:09:22 GMT
The Inquisition is either disbanded or reduced to the Divine's lackeys. All that work on building and expanding... and then it is gone. Does anyone else feel the same way, at least to some extent? I'll admit I was expecting it to have more presence going forward. But since I was expecting it to go completely out of control after our current Inquisitor died, and for the next game to take place a while after that and have them as an enemy faction, I think I prefer this outcome to what I'd expected. At any rate, I'm not sure how much of a comedown it is for the Inquisitor to submit to Chantry oversight. No matter which Divine you wind up with, she was at one point the Inquisitor's subordinate, and she reassumes that role behind the scenes for the purposes dealing with the Qunari. I think no matter which Divine you wind up with, she's going to view you as a favored, trusted, and important subordinate at least, rather than as a "lackey." Cassandra might even treat you more as an equal. (And as a side note, if you enjoy fucking with Teagan, then you should know that he's probably going to assume you're "surrendering" to your "former" subordinate's "outside oversight" as a legal fiction to let yourself keep de facto control of your own organization.) your side note was basically Kara's intention with the Inquisition. Her teeth may have been filed down, but they aren't removed.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 10, 2018 1:15:02 GMT
I'll admit I was expecting it to have more presence going forward. But since I was expecting it to go completely out of control after our current Inquisitor died, and for the next game to take place a while after that and have them as an enemy faction, I think I prefer this outcome to what I'd expected. At any rate, I'm not sure how much of a comedown it is for the Inquisitor to submit to Chantry oversight. No matter which Divine you wind up with, she was at one point the Inquisitor's subordinate, and she reassumes that role behind the scenes for the purposes dealing with the Qunari. I think no matter which Divine you wind up with, she's going to view you as a favored, trusted, and important subordinate at least, rather than as a "lackey." Cassandra might even treat you more as an equal. (And as a side note, if you enjoy fucking with Teagan, then you should know that he's probably going to assume you're "surrendering" to your "former" subordinate's "outside oversight" as a legal fiction to let yourself keep de facto control of your own organization.) your side note was basically Kara's intention with the Inquisition. Her teeth may have been filed down, but they aren't removed. Which Divine did you get? With Leiliana or Cassandra it could very well work that way. Vivienne on the other hand is probably going to want the Inquisition to answer to her.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 10, 2018 1:53:42 GMT
your side note was basically Kara's intention with the Inquisition. Her teeth may have been filed down, but they aren't removed. Which Divine did you get? With Leiliana or Cassandra it could very well work that way. Vivienne on the other hand is probably going to want the Inquisition to answer to her. I got Divine Cassandra. Her or a Softened Leiliana are the only 2 Kara would keep the Inquisition going as Divine Victoria's 'Honor Guard' Though I imagine it would be more like Victoria's network of spies considering what I usually end up with for Inquisition's end slides, Morrigan indicates I get her commenting on the Inquisition's spy network. I imagine Kara would also be quite happy with that arrangement. Basically the honor guard would be a front while the Inquisition gathers information throughout Thedas helping Victoria keep the peace and also secretly working behind the scenes to encourage reform and freedom movements throughout the continent, namely Tevinter.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 10, 2018 2:35:01 GMT
I'm not sure that Vivienne will be as militant as some are saying. She enjoys politics too much, and politics isn't useful in a holy war. Particularly since Viv would be aware of the dangers of the Qun.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 10, 2018 3:13:07 GMT
I'm not sure that Vivienne will be as militant as some are saying. She enjoys politics too much, and politics isn't useful in a holy war. Particularly since Viv would be aware of the dangers of the Qun. I don't think she'd fight an open war, no. Not unless one broke out for reasons beyond her control, and it was either fight back or capitulate. I am worried about what she would do, however, and having control of the Inquisition would make whatever it was easier.
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