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Post by warden on Aug 17, 2018 0:13:43 GMT
I would conform (sorry I don't remember a better word now than conform) with a true RPG for starters instead of third person shooter with some rpg mechanics, like ME1 but bastly improved of course.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2018 1:37:43 GMT
Your interpretation is like saying a cannon is actually the ship it sits on rather than a weapon created for use on a ship. Reapers can make weapons that are not Reapers themselves. Don't know why this concept is so problematic. Wow! I really don't know what to tell you...... Just wow!! You said its a Reaper. Its not. End of story.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 17, 2018 2:41:34 GMT
There is no way they could be defeated conventionally. By DM Fiat. Not for any reason that actually makes sense. I dunno about that. When you set it up as a tactical problem in a 4x game (try it in Moo2) the Reapers look invincible to me. No need for supplies or bases, able to obliterate enemy bases pretty much at will, and superior mobility. Even with a substantially weaker combined fleet than the current cycle the Reapers would win, and the fleet seen at the end of ME2 isn't weaker, even after the ME3 retcon addition of the destroyer type.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 17, 2018 4:02:16 GMT
Your key point is the lore. But you're wrong the codex states they are immune to that. What your suggesting is a complete retool and lore change. I won't ever buy that. I'm pretty sure that bit of lore showed up in ME3, which just goes back to my they didn't have to write it that way.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 17, 2018 4:09:27 GMT
No the lore set up that ships take damage if they try to fly for too far of a distance without a relay or the ability to discharge into a planet. They could have had the reapers show up in a condition where they were not unstoppable.
I don't see why the Reapers would launch an attack while still in a damaged state. But before we go too far down the conventional victory rabbit hole, let's remember the other design constraints; we play as Shepard, and the genre is action-RPG. It's not sufficient to contrive a way for the Reapers to be defeated via conventional warfare, the war also has to work as a game. There's a reason why nothing Bio ever considered resulted in anything like a conventional victory. I assume they wouldn't attack while still damaged. But they can get attacked while still damaged. You write in a plot excuse why you found them while they were down for repairs, like a alien from the race they dominated escapes or sends a signal, After found maybe they send forces like huskifed batarians to try and slow and distract you while they rebuild but never show up themselves. And I'm not sure why it would necessarily change the story much past Me3 currently, it is about Shepard running around and securing help for the war effort primarily. Sure, some things would change like maybe no actual reapers show up in various scenes. The end fight might be a ground push to hit their leader harbringer while the rest of the forces engage the reaper fleet. Its not like they ever displayed tactical genius in the story, they don;t have to out think the galaxys every move.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 17, 2018 4:15:38 GMT
There is no way they could be defeated conventionally. Um, what about that M-290 Cain that blew up the Reaper with the Hades Cannon? Why didn't they just outfit that WMD armament to gunships, frigates, and destroyers??? Heck before Me3 was out there was no information on what a thanix cannon especially what one sized for a ship larger than the normandy would do to a reaper, it used tech discovered from sovereign. For all we knew it could blow through their shields and drop a reaper or at least do enough to give them a fighting chance.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 17, 2018 4:26:50 GMT
Wow! I really don't know what to tell you...... Just wow!! You said its a Reaper. Its not. End of story. Yeah, that's why I don't understand his response. It's like he doesn't know he did say it was a Reaper but got all weird when proven otherwise.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2018 11:15:48 GMT
Your key point is the lore. But you're wrong the codex states they are immune to that. What your suggesting is a complete retool and lore change. I won't ever buy that. I'm pretty sure that bit of lore showed up in ME3, which just goes back to my they didn't have to write it that way. True but it made sense to me.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 17, 2018 15:08:34 GMT
By DM Fiat. Not for any reason that actually makes sense. I dunno about that. When you set it up as a tactical problem in a 4x game (try it in Moo2) the Reapers look invincible to me. No need for supplies or bases, able to obliterate enemy bases pretty much at will, and superior mobility. Even with a substantially weaker combined fleet than the current cycle the Reapers would win, and the fleet seen at the end of ME2 isn't weaker, even after the ME3 retcon addition of the destroyer type. And how was any of this established prior to ME3? OR at least, the very end of ME2? When was it established that they could ignore the charge buildup of other ships? That they don't need resources in order to survive? Yes they were strong, strong enough to overwhelm the galaxy at its current state if they tried to go toe-to-toe with even a fleet of a few hundred or thousand Reapers. But from the beginning they were established as ambush predators, hunters that strike suddenly and unexpectedly. They avoided direct confrontations specifically BECAUSE they could be killed! Strong, but not invincible.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 17, 2018 16:10:10 GMT
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 17, 2018 16:34:41 GMT
I don't see why the Reapers would launch an attack while still in a damaged state. But before we go too far down the conventional victory rabbit hole, let's remember the other design constraints; we play as Shepard, and the genre is action-RPG. It's not sufficient to contrive a way for the Reapers to be defeated via conventional warfare, the war also has to work as a game. There's a reason why nothing Bio ever considered resulted in anything like a conventional victory. I assume they wouldn't attack while still damaged. But they can get attacked while still damaged. You write in a plot excuse why you found them while they were down for repairs, like a alien from the race they dominated escapes or sends a signal, After found maybe they send forces like huskifed batarians to try and slow and distract you while they rebuild but never show up themselves. And I'm not sure why it would necessarily change the story much past Me3 currently, it is about Shepard running around and securing help for the war effort primarily. Sure, some things would change like maybe no actual reapers show up in various scenes. The end fight might be a ground push to hit their leader harbringer while the rest of the forces engage the reaper fleet. Its not like they ever displayed tactical genius in the story, they don;t have to out think the galaxys every move. This would require extraordinary stupidity on the Reapers' part. They can arrive in a section of the galaxy that Citadel forces have no access to. The Reapers know the geometry of the relay network, while the organics only know the portion of the system that they've already activated.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 17, 2018 17:13:31 GMT
There was a fanfiction that had a different interpretation of the ending. In it, the Reaper intelligence (three of them, including Harbinger) revealed that the whole purpose of the invasions, the Catalyst, everything, was designed to be a test to see when a civilization will finally stop fighting each other and join forces properly. However, after seeing countless cycles fail their test, they just gave up on the idea and continued to harvest as usual, concluding that civilizations will always destroy each other in the end. Shepard manages to convince them to consider a second chance, but Harbinger is pissed at the idea and tries to attack the Catalyst, prompting Shepard to upload a virus or something that will "reset" the Reaper coding.
It's a better idea than what we have so far, but it does need some more fleshing out.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 17, 2018 18:11:13 GMT
Wrex. 5 pages. 5 pages, people and..... no one? What happened to you, BSN??? Who hurt you? Sadly, Wrex was killed by Ash on Virmire. And who wants to deal with Wreav?
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Post by Iakus on Aug 17, 2018 18:28:03 GMT
Wrex. 5 pages. 5 pages, people and..... no one? What happened to you, BSN??? Who hurt you? Bioware.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 17, 2018 18:52:29 GMT
Wrex. 5 pages. 5 pages, people and..... no one? What happened to you, BSN??? Who hurt you? Bioware.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 17, 2018 20:27:11 GMT
Sadly, Wrex was killed by Ash on Virmire. Nothing sad about that. My Shepard.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 17, 2018 20:47:55 GMT
Sadly, Wrex was killed by Ash on Virmire. Nothing sad about that. My Shepard. I assume in the sense of killing him.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 17, 2018 22:43:31 GMT
Wrex. 5 pages. 5 pages, people and..... no one? What happened to you, BSN??? Who hurt you? Bioware.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 18, 2018 0:22:38 GMT
Sadly, Wrex was killed by Ash on Virmire. Nothing sad about that. My Shepard. Wreav is an ass.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 18, 2018 0:42:23 GMT
Wrex. 5 pages. 5 pages, people and..... no one? What happened to you, BSN??? Who hurt you? Sadly, Wrex was killed by Ash on Virmire. And who wants to deal with Wreav? We would. We never tasted krogan flesh before. We bet they taste delicious. But not as good as asari though, their flesh tastes like ham soaked in wine. And their brains taste so good, it just melts in the mouth!
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Post by themikefest on Aug 18, 2018 0:48:20 GMT
Nothing sad about that. My Shepard. Wreav is an ass. So?
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 18, 2018 1:57:33 GMT
Killing Wrex for him is dumb. I did it once to keep Mordin alive. Never again, well maybe just for that.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 18, 2018 4:02:18 GMT
Killing Wrex for him is dumb. I did it once to keep Mordin alive. Never again, well maybe just for that. If you want Mordin to survive ME3, don't recruit Wrex in ME1. Here's a post I made about Wrex
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Post by Guardian on Aug 18, 2018 5:20:36 GMT
True. But the Baldur's Gate games were almost 20 years ago... Damn... don't remind me.
....Shit, we're old.....
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Post by michaeln7 on Aug 18, 2018 19:17:36 GMT
Put succinctly, I want Andromeda 2.
If they continue with the Profile system, then I want ammo powers back, I want Warp, I want Tech Armor as an active ability instead of just a passive. Not critical, but there it is.
More importantly, I don't want to be limited to just three powers at any given time. It limits my options in combat where I can't order my squadmates to use specific powers.
Because of that limitation, I "have" to make all my Andromeda builds all samey because I kinda have to do everything myself.
As for romance, that topic is too toxic now, so if they don't have that in future games I won't shed any tears.
Storywise, I'm not terribly picky. I doubt there are any original ideas left, so I care a great deal more about the idea's execution; it's more about how well-crafted the idea is than any weird "shock-value".
If the PC is the Chosen One, that's excellent!
If the PC is the right person in the wrong place, that's excellent!
To use an analogy of sorts, I'm fine with having a BLT sandwich, I've liked them for years, and just because I know what's in them doesn't lessen my preference for them. Just use quality ingredients. I don't need to be "shocked" by finding cinnamon in the mayonnaise or chocolate on the tomato.
Point being, at this point, I'm just gonna be excited if they make a new Mass Effect, and I'll make it work, but I'm tempering my expectations.
Short version, don't break what never broke. Quality and integrity beat novelty.
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