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Post by shechinah on Aug 12, 2018 0:22:10 GMT
Well, you can do half of that; the Templar outfit in Dragon Age 2 has a light version that can be worn by mages You can’t equip armor on companions in DA2. Where there's a will, there's a way www.nexusmods.com/dragonage2/mods/2646
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 12, 2018 1:40:03 GMT
Well, you can do half of that; the Templar outfit in Dragon Age 2 has a light version that can be worn by mages You can’t equip armor on companions in DA2. You can manage it by making him an Arcane Warrior in Awakening and putting Templar armor on him. (I've probably done that at least once, since I had a pretty cool armor mod that used the same base model and just recolored it black. Edit: Playing on console means you can't use that exact set, but there's still templar armor to be found.)
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 12, 2018 3:30:25 GMT
Though I have to say: Putting the rite of Tranquility on Celene would be hilarious. What would be hilarious is putting Anders through the rite of tranquility and then have him wear a templar outfit. They aren't mutually exclusive, my friend.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 12, 2018 3:31:28 GMT
Cassandra does not have the sunburst on her forehead like other Tranquil. Neither did Lucius or any of the other Seekers (and I'm sure it would've been mentioned in Asunder if they did). It is very likely that the ritual used for Tranquility is not the same thing as the thing the Circle uses. The Rite was designed centuries ago: It is likely not the same procedure as it was when it was first developed, all things change over time. The lore of the Seekers may not explain how the rite is performed. I thought the physical branding was separate from the one used to inflict Tranquility. It was never used in Origins, at least, or was that another "just pretend all the non-Sten Qunari have horns" thing? And if they are, why does Minaeve assert that they can't defend themselves, and how does Alexius manage to kill enough of them to create all the Oculara (functioning and failed) that we see? I'm not sure it's that they can't fight, as much as they don't have an innate sense of self-preservation. Basically, if you try to kill one, they won't fight back, but if you were to compel to commit an act of violence, they'd still do so to the best of their ability, like with Maddox in Samson's quest. Even taking out the combat aspect, though, Minaeve also mentions Tranquil can focus on their work like no one else can, and even outside of military life, I could see some people accepting Tranquility as a fair tradeoff to master their craft. Okay, from the morality point of view, the reason it has never been used on non-mage criminals, for example, is the fact that it is sold to the general public as a "mercy" on mages who cannot control their powers and are therefore susceptible to possession. I assume this is how they managed to justify making it effectively a punishment for rogue mages. Hmm, the idea that it would be harder to sell conveniently as an "easy out" for Mage problems, I guess, could give some justification for why it isn't therefore used in other places. Yeah, it's similar, but different, I think, based on how its described. Tranquility explicitly retains the mind, while sacrificing the "heart", if you will. It's very different from a lobotomy, as Reznore suggested. The Tranquil remember their lives before, still have all the same knowledge and ability they had before (sans magic). But Qamek, according to Bull, IIRC, leaves the person pretty much empty mentally. They can perform menial tasks, but their IQ reduced to an animal state as well. Nothing about the individual or the individual's mind remains. Origins had issues with visuals, I'm not going to take that one solely at face value.
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Post by melbella on Aug 12, 2018 16:20:16 GMT
But perhaps there is something else that we are missing? Some sort of spell, or ritual circle that is used in both the Seeker Rite and the Circle one?
My guess is lyrium is used in order to speed up the process. No one is going to wait a year to make a mage Tranquil, which is how long Cassandra said her solo meditation lasted. I also don't think the forehead brand is anything more than an ID method. We can make Feynriel tranquil by killing him in the Fade - no brand required.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 12, 2018 21:30:43 GMT
But perhaps there is something else that we are missing? Some sort of spell, or ritual circle that is used in both the Seeker Rite and the Circle one?
My guess is lyrium is used in order to speed up the process. No one is going to wait a year to make a mage Tranquil, which is how long Cassandra said her solo meditation lasted. I also don't think the forehead brand is anything more than an ID method. We can make Feynriel tranquil by killing him in the Fade - no brand required.
Fenyriel is a Dreamer, though, it might be completely different for him. We kill our other companions in the Fade, they don't go Tranquil. Shame. Would've solved the "Anders" problem right then and there.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 12, 2018 22:00:27 GMT
My guess is lyrium is used in order to speed up the process. No one is going to wait a year to make a mage Tranquil, which is how long Cassandra said her solo meditation lasted. I also don't think the forehead brand is anything more than an ID method. We can make Feynriel tranquil by killing him in the Fade - no brand required.
Fenyriel is a Dreamer, though, it might be completely different for him. We kill our other companions in the Fade, they don't go Tranquil. Shame. Would've solved the "Anders" problem right then and there. Lol. So you would allow a young man to be possessed by a sloth demon, just to stick it to Anders?
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Post by Lazarillo on Aug 12, 2018 22:44:09 GMT
Lol. So you would allow a young man to be possessed by a sloth demon, just to stick it to Anders? Worth noting, you can "kill" Anders there without letting the demon do any possessing. Justice doesn't understand the concept of "a wink and a nod".
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 12, 2018 22:44:40 GMT
Fenyriel is a Dreamer, though, it might be completely different for him. We kill our other companions in the Fade, they don't go Tranquil. Shame. Would've solved the "Anders" problem right then and there. Lol. So you would allow a young man to be possessed by a sloth demon, just to stick it to Anders? No. I'm referring to making Anders Tranquil. It'd be interesting to see what happens if you do Tranquility on someone who is already an abomination, but mostly, I want to destroy that little asshole.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 12, 2018 22:58:21 GMT
My guess is lyrium is used in order to speed up the process. No one is going to wait a year to make a mage Tranquil, which is how long Cassandra said her solo meditation lasted. I also don't think the forehead brand is anything more than an ID method. We can make Feynriel tranquil by killing him in the Fade - no brand required.
Fenyriel is a Dreamer, though, it might be completely different for him. We kill our other companions in the Fade, they don't go Tranquil. Shame. Would've solved the "Anders" problem right then and there. We don't "killed" them in Feynriel's dream. They probably woke up. (Anders probably immune to the Tranquility because of Justice. Just like Justice's presence presumable able to slow down the effects of the Taint – or eliminate that slowly.)
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Post by Catilina on Aug 12, 2018 23:00:40 GMT
Fenyriel is a Dreamer, though, it might be completely different for him. We kill our other companions in the Fade, they don't go Tranquil. Shame. Would've solved the "Anders" problem right then and there. Lol. So you would allow a young man to be possessed by a sloth demon, just to stick it to Anders? Don't need to let Sloth possess Feynriel – good enough to trick it. Justice attacks for the mere thought and Hawke answers roughly. (Worth it to try: Anders is great after that scene. True, in love needs a good RP-reason to do it.)
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 13, 2018 2:20:36 GMT
Fenyriel is a Dreamer, though, it might be completely different for him. We kill our other companions in the Fade, they don't go Tranquil. Shame. Would've solved the "Anders" problem right then and there. We don't "killed" them in Feynriel's dream. They probably woke up. (Anders probably immune to the Tranquility because of Justice. Just like Justice's presence presumable able to slow down the effects of the Taint – or eliminate that slowly.) We attack them, fight them like we would kill someone else. We certainly didn't do what someone would normally do to "wake up" Pretty sure the reason it's different for Fenyriel is the fact that he's a Dreamer. I'm pretty sure that's what Marethari says before the quest starts. And no, I don't think Justice slows down the taint. Grey Wardens live around thirty years. At most, after Anders's joining, it's ten.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 13, 2018 3:34:43 GMT
We don't "killed" them in Feynriel's dream. They probably woke up. (Anders probably immune to the Tranquility because of Justice. Just like Justice's presence presumable able to slow down the effects of the Taint – or eliminate that slowly.) We attack them, fight them like we would kill someone else. We certainly didn't do what someone would normally do to "wake up" Pretty sure the reason it's different for Fenyriel is the fact that he's a Dreamer. I'm pretty sure that's what Marethari says before the quest starts. And no, I don't think Justice slows down the taint. Grey Wardens live around thirty years. At most, after Anders's joining, it's ten. Of course: Feynriel's a dreamer and it's his dream. But you already were in the Fade, so you know, how it really works? No? Of course... just as me. All we know, they just disappeared, with a smoke. Hawke's reaction awakened them. But ofc, it's just a tip. And this isn't their dream. There many reasons why Feynriel would be a Tranquil, but Most likely it's related with the fact, that he's a dreamer, so he has a closer connection with the Fade even like a mage. Gaider wrote that Justice and the Taint things, not my "headcanon".
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Post by xerrai on Aug 13, 2018 18:07:00 GMT
We attack them, fight them like we would kill someone else. We certainly didn't do what someone would normally do to "wake up" Pretty sure the reason it's different for Fenyriel is the fact that he's a Dreamer. I'm pretty sure that's what Marethari says before the quest starts. And no, I don't think Justice slows down the taint. Grey Wardens live around thirty years. At most, after Anders's joining, it's ten. Of course: Feynriel's a dreamer and it's his dream. But you already were in the Fade, so you know, how it really works? No? Of course... just as me. All we know, they just disappeared, with a smoke. Hawke's reaction awakened them. But ofc, it's just a tip. And this isn't their dream. There many reasons why Feynriel would be a Tranquil, but Most likely it's related with the fact, that he's a dreamer, so he has a closer connection with the Fade even like a mage. Gaider wrote that Justice and the Taint things, not my "headcanon".Yep. David Gaider said in an interview that Justice's presence in Anders can alter the rate of his corruption. Or alternatively, opens up the possibility of Justice being corrupted by the taint. To quote "I think there are a couple possibilities. One is that the spirit within Anders can affect the level of his corruption, so it may delay or remove the necessity for his Calling altogether. Either that or at some point the corruption within Anders is going to corrupt the spirit. I think those are the two most likely outcomes." ( link)
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Post by azarhal on Aug 13, 2018 20:01:15 GMT
I thought seekers were ex-mages There's nothing that hints at that, is there? Well unless you assume it's literally impossible to turn a non-mage Tranquil, and I don't think that was ever explicitly stated or strongly hinted at either. It also wouldn't make much sense given that Cassandra has no idea she was made Tranquil until she reads it in the Lord Seeker's tome, and if she'd had magical powers that suddenly went from normal to much more muted, you'd think she'd have suspected. Not to mention that, as far as I've ever heard, Lambert speaks of mages as though they were a group he isn't and never was part of. Lambert was a full Templar for years before he joined the Seekers. I'm not even sure if he went through the Seeker's vigil, considering he used the Litany of Andralla in Asunder which is meant to be used against mind control, something Seekers are immune to. He probably wasn't the only Templars among the Seekers either. The fact that Cassandra was shipped to the Seekers instead of being made a Templar as she asked despite being "too old" is suspicious to me. She said it was because she was from a noble family, but there is plenty of Templars that comes from noble families. It doesn't mean Cassandra knows the real reasons though, but she is from a family with a known magical bloodline (her uncle is a mage) and it is certain she has ancestors who drank dragon blood. She isn't exactly "normal stock" human. Although, I'm not saying Seekers are ex-mages like Iddy, but I suspect there is a "magical" prerequisite to succeed at the vigil. Also, according to Cassandra most fail the vigil, yet we never heard of none-mage Tranquil, so either failing the vigil doesn't leave the person disconnected from the fade unless mage or being disconnected isn't an issue for none-mage.
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Post by xerrai on Sept 11, 2018 20:21:44 GMT
There's nothing that hints at that, is there? Well unless you assume it's literally impossible to turn a non-mage Tranquil, and I don't think that was ever explicitly stated or strongly hinted at either. It also wouldn't make much sense given that Cassandra has no idea she was made Tranquil until she reads it in the Lord Seeker's tome, and if she'd had magical powers that suddenly went from normal to much more muted, you'd think she'd have suspected. Not to mention that, as far as I've ever heard, Lambert speaks of mages as though they were a group he isn't and never was part of. Lambert was a full Templar for years before he joined the Seekers. I'm not even sure if he went through the Seeker's vigil, considering he used the Litany of Andralla in Asunder which is meant to be used against mind control, something Seekers are immune to. He probably wasn't the only Templars among the Seekers either. [...] The "mind control" Lambert disrupted is better identified as Cole's "invisibility". Its the thing that keeps Cole's existence out of people's perception even though he can still remain in a physical space. And it is an ability that not only worked on Lambert, but on Cassandra. In DAI if you side with the templar, Cole will 'appear' on haven's war room table and when questioned on how he got in, he more or less replies that he was "already there". It seems that the Seekers are not as immune to mind control as they claim....
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