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Post by Guardian on Aug 20, 2018 2:37:23 GMT
if you weren't in favor of the "grimdark ending" of ME 3, that meant you were brainwashed in wanting "Disney Endings". Synthesis? To me, that's a fairy tale. That's why I destroy Reapers. I'm pulling out the "Nazi card" but don't end the thread for it - no one was going to let Hitler live after his mass genocide. (It was okay for Stalin, though.) Why should the Reapers get away with it?
See, you and I agree on Synthesis being a bad choice. But I think you always knew that, given how I would often defend the points you'd make about it.
And I agree - why should the Reapers get away with what they did? But that's a topic not for this thread, because I don't want to derail it  |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 21, 2018 15:30:41 GMT
if you weren't in favor of the "grimdark ending" of ME 3, that meant you were brainwashed in wanting "Disney Endings". Synthesis? To me, that's a fairy tale. That's why I destroy Reapers. I'm pulling out the "Nazi card" but don't end the thread for it - no one was going to let Hitler live after his mass genocide. (It was okay for Stalin, though.) Why should the Reapers get away with it? Are the Reapers actually responsible for their actions? Or are they just doing what they were designed to do? |
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 21, 2018 15:51:06 GMT
Most people here really loved Andromeda and would like to see an Andromeda 2. So the results aren't that surprising. I'd really love a return with shepard and his crew. I couldn't imagine a return of Ryder and his crew. They all were so dull and reskins of the Normandy crew. I don't see how the Andromeda crew was any worse then the first appearances of any of the other Mass Effect crew, what made them standout was them returning and developing. They are to the point where they are best left alone so the game doesn't become only a relationship simulator and they try to fit the different characters in.
Exactly. Most of the squadmates in ME1 were just glorified exposition dumps with the barest of characterization.
With Tali being the worst one. Tali in ME1 is a boring exposition dump, yet she becomes a more complex and real interesting character in ME2 and ME3.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 21, 2018 15:53:48 GMT
Synthesis? To me, that's a fairy tale. That's why I destroy Reapers. I'm pulling out the "Nazi card" but don't end the thread for it - no one was going to let Hitler live after his mass genocide. (It was okay for Stalin, though.) Why should the Reapers get away with it? Are the Reapers actually responsible for their actions? Or are they just doing what they were designed to do? You forget an important detail. They are organic machines. They are alive, intelligent, and seem to have a fair amount of free will. Were we designed to do all the horrible and beautiful things we do? At some point with the Reapers, you have to say they are their own beings. They know what they are and who made them. They agree with the StarBrat; they are not compelled by him. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 21, 2018 17:22:38 GMT
The only way I would agree the next game is in Milky Way is A) destroy ending is made canon and  Shepard stays dead. Let the man/woman rest in peace, he/she has been through enough shit already. Well, technically you don’t need to actually kill Shepard off as a result of the war. In the end it doesn’t make the biggest difference, but Shepard’s passing through the course of time over dying in the reaper war would probably be meaningful to some (myself included). After all, any proper setting post-ME3 would have to be a good few years into the future anyway. It ensures that the bulk of the rebuilding throughout the galaxy is largely complete. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 21, 2018 18:12:57 GMT
Synthesis? To me, that's a fairy tale. That's why I destroy Reapers. I'm pulling out the "Nazi card" but don't end the thread for it - no one was going to let Hitler live after his mass genocide. (It was okay for Stalin, though.) Why should the Reapers get away with it? Are the Reapers actually responsible for their actions? Or are they just doing what they were designed to do? Are the Nazi soldiers responsible or were they just doing what they were told? Sure, the Intelligence designed them but ever Sovereign said something like "we're each a nation unto our own" (can't remember the exact phrase). I call them responsible and I damn well don't want something as powerful as they are hanging over my head under any circumstances. |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 21, 2018 20:32:34 GMT
It's not clear that the Reapers actually had free will. If they did, why would they have kept doing the cycles? The cycles don't do anything useful for the Reapers themselves.
It's not morally sound to blame indoctrinated stooges for their own indoctrination.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 21, 2018 20:50:30 GMT
It's not clear that the Reapers actually had free will. If they did, why would they have kept doing the cycles? The cycles don't do anything useful for the Reapers themselves.
While I agree with dmc1001 and other regarding Synthesis, this is actually an interesting question.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 21, 2018 22:30:33 GMT
It's not clear that the Reapers actually had free will. If they did, why would they have kept doing the cycles? The cycles don't do anything useful for the Reapers themselves. It's not morally sound to blame indoctrinated stooges for their own indoctrination. Very good point. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 22, 2018 0:20:33 GMT
It's not clear that the Reapers actually had free will. If they did, why would they have kept doing the cycles? The cycles don't do anything useful for the Reapers themselves. It's not morally sound to blame indoctrinated stooges for their own indoctrination. How intelligent can you be, with such grand ego and a knowledge of your maker, what you were made from and how and why - if you have no motives of your own? Why would Sovereign and Harbinger been such egotistical pricks, that took things personal? We are not talking about a simple intelligence, we are not talking about a pure machine. I think your argument is assuming a great deal that is contradicted by evidence. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2018 0:49:35 GMT
It's not clear that the Reapers actually had free will. If they did, why would they have kept doing the cycles? The cycles don't do anything useful for the Reapers themselves. It's not morally sound to blame indoctrinated stooges for their own indoctrination. How intelligent can you be, with such grand ego and a knowledge of your maker, what you were made from and how and why - if you have no motives of your own? Why would Sovereign and Harbinger been such egotistical pricks, that took things personal? We are not talking about a simple intelligence, we are not talking about a pure machine. I think your argument is assuming a great deal that is contradicted by evidence. More to the point, why would they turn on their creators if they lacked free will? |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2018 13:26:45 GMT
How intelligent can you be, with such grand ego and a knowledge of your maker, what you were made from and how and why - if you have no motives of your own? Why would Sovereign and Harbinger been such egotistical pricks, that took things personal? We are not talking about a simple intelligence, we are not talking about a pure machine. I think your argument is assuming a great deal that is contradicted by evidence. More to the point, why would they turn on their creators if they lacked free will? Hmm interesting. I like that implication. |
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Shepard stays dead. Let the man/woman rest in peace, he/she has been through enough shit already.