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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 15, 2018 19:05:37 GMT
I know a lot of the DA Fans don´t like Tallis but shouldn´t she be in DA 4? I mean Tallis has Ties to three of the DA 4 Major Factions. She is a Qunari but biological an Elf and she was a former Slave. Gatt has almost the same Background but he is a male Elf. Wouldn´t it be Wastage if Bioware choose to not include them in DA 4?
So what should Bioware do with Tallis and Gatt? Companion and Romance Option, Major Character, Questgiver or just Cameo?
Personal i would prefer that both of them are just Questgiver. But maybe that isn´t what the Fans wanted for both. I don´t know. I was never on the Tallis Hatetrain or did i ever declare her as my Favorite Character in DA. She is Fine i guess. And Gatt? I don´t care.
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Post by simit on Aug 15, 2018 21:16:04 GMT
Nothing, just because there part of the qun an we've meet them doesn't mean BioWare should do anything else with them, i personally think it be more a waste bringing them back instead of outright new characters.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Aug 15, 2018 21:17:19 GMT
Is "They died off-screen" an option?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:21:40 GMT
Tallis is problematic as so many people didn't play the DLC. She's also got a real actor's face which could be hard to animate in Frostbite, not to mention the fact that Felicia might not want to go back to her. She's not that popular either so if I was a dev I'd think it's easier to just leave her be.
Gatt wasn't particulary interesting but sure, I don't mind.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 15, 2018 21:45:05 GMT
Tallis is problematic as so many people didn't play the DLC. You could say the same about Corypheus, mind. Actually, maybe they shouldn't have brought him back... I would like to see Tallis again, personally. I found her pretty entertaining.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 15, 2018 21:46:17 GMT
Tallis is problematic as so many people didn't play the DLC. She's also got a real actor's face which could be hard to animate in Frostbite, not to mention the fact that Felicia might not want to go back to her. She's not that popular either so if I was a dev I'd think it's easier to just leave her be. Gatt wasn't particulary interesting but sure, I don't mind. Whether or not people played the DLC won't affect a decision on whether or not they include her, though. David Gaider said on BSN Prime that ALL the DLCs happened for all characters, whether or not an individual player got to experience them. So, the events of Mark of the Assassin at Chateau Haine happened to all Hawkes (although that fact alone is likely to enrage enough people, and that rage will cause me great amusement). That said, I'd be surprised if she was included. Pleasantly surprised, as I happened to like her, but that might have something to do with my - mild - crush on Felicia Day But I'd be surprised, because, as you say - not that popular. However, if they had a story for her, there'd be nothing meaningful stopping her inclusion. Gatt...well. Maybe? Again, nothing stopping him making an appearance, but if I was to put money on one or the other, or both....I'd put it on Tallis only.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:51:49 GMT
Tallis is problematic as so many people didn't play the DLC. You could say the same about Corypheus, mind. Actually, maybe they shouldn't have brought him back... I would like to see Tallis again, personally. I found her pretty entertaining. True, didn't think of that. I was honestly quite surprised they brought back a DLC character as the main bad guy. Whether or not people played the DLC won't affect a decision on whether or not they include her, though. David Gaider said on BSN Prime that ALL the DLCs happened for all characters, whether or not an individual player got to experience them. So, the events of Mark of the Assassin at Chateau Haine happened to all Hawkes (although that fact alone is likely to enrage enough people, and that rage will cause me great amusement). That said, I'd be surprised if she was included. Pleasantly surprised, as I happened to like her, but that might have something to do with my - mild - crush on Felicia Day But I'd be surprised, because, as you say - not that popular. However, if they had a story for her, there'd be nothing meaningful stopping her inclusion. Gatt...well. Maybe? Again, nothing stopping him making an appearance, but if I was to put money on one or the other, or both....I'd put it on Tallis only. He did? Ah well.... Many do Dragon, many do. So redheads who always have a sarcastic quip at the ready? Noted. I always found Tallis's character to be a little worthy, like they were trying too hard to make you like the Qun and hate Tevineter. It made me suspicious.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 15, 2018 22:03:19 GMT
Whether or not people played the DLC won't affect a decision on whether or not they include her, though. David Gaider said on BSN Prime that ALL the DLCs happened for all characters, whether or not an individual player got to experience them. So, the events of Mark of the Assassin at Chateau Haine happened to all Hawkes (although that fact alone is likely to enrage enough people, and that rage will cause me great amusement). That said, I'd be surprised if she was included. Pleasantly surprised, as I happened to like her, but that might have something to do with my - mild - crush on Felicia Day But I'd be surprised, because, as you say - not that popular. However, if they had a story for her, there'd be nothing meaningful stopping her inclusion. Gatt...well. Maybe? Again, nothing stopping him making an appearance, but if I was to put money on one or the other, or both....I'd put it on Tallis only. Many do Dragon, many do. So redheads who always have a sarcastic quip at the ready? Noted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 22:06:03 GMT
Many do Dragon, many do. So redheads who always have a sarcastic quip at the ready? Noted.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 15, 2018 22:10:49 GMT
I would not be surprised if Tallis shows up in DA4. I don't think she will be a companion or anything, but I can definitely see her being something like one of our possible connections to the Qun. Besides her appearance in Da2, she is referenced multiple times in DAI. First is she is the one who reports to us about the War Table quests if we sided with the Qun, and second is she is referenced in that one letter in Trespasser. If there is a way to change the Qun from the inside, I can see her being involved in that as well.
As for Gatt, I don't expect him to show up since there is no reason for him to.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 15, 2018 22:25:53 GMT
I would not be surprised if Tallis shows up in DA4. I don't think she will be a companion or anything, but I can definitely see her being something like one of our possible connections to the Qun. Besides her appearance in Da2, she is referenced multiple times in DAI. First is she is the one who reports to us about the War Table quests if we sided with the Qun, and second is she is referenced in that one letter in Trespasser. If there is a way to change the Qun from the inside, I can see her being involved in that as well. As for Gatt, I don't expect him to show up since there is no reason for him to. Well - was there a reason for Morrigan to show up in DAI until they created one? He is the Qun. If DA4 focuses on the conflict between Tevinter and the Qun, I'd say that gives them reason enough. Same with Tallis. Not that other characters couldn't also fill any role they might play. I can see Gatt appearing if the following two conditions are true; Inquisitor makes a return (in any capacity) and Bull is dead.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 16, 2018 1:40:18 GMT
I’m really looking forward to seeing more Qunari in general. Especially folks under the Arigena.
That said, I’d also be pretty happy to meet some of the hundred Qunari who crewed the dreadnought Berethlok. It still bums me out that even Cole never acknowledges their existence.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 16, 2018 1:59:06 GMT
It would be silly not to use Tallis in a game where Solas and the Qunari play a prominent role. Mark of the Assassin had some really shitty writing but she has a lot of potential as a character if she's used properly.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 16, 2018 2:27:45 GMT
I know a lot of the DA Fans don´t like Tallis but shouldn´t she be in DA 4? I mean Tallis has Ties to three of the DA 4 Major Factions. She is a Qunari but biological an Elf and she was a former Slave. Gatt has almost the same Background but he is a male Elf. Wouldn´t it be Wastage if Bioware choose to not include them in DA 4? I'd prefer that we have new members from the Qun to interact with and learn about. As far as the rest, no it wouln't be a "waste." They can certainly come up with new characters (fem qunari!), and those two elves can be on assignment somewhere else. I wouldn't mind a qunari woman that is like Sten. Gatt and Tallis approach the Qun as outsiders that were basically saved by it, so they have the fervor of any convert. Bull, while born to the Qun, was already starting to be an outsider when we meet him, so he's a bit iffy. Sten, on the other hand, never wavers once and comes at it with the surety of someone that was born to the Qun.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 16, 2018 4:33:16 GMT
I would prefer an appearance by Marius and Tessa from Magekiller.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 16, 2018 7:45:09 GMT
I am 100% CONVINCED that Tallis was already supposed to be in DA:I and they replaced her with Iron Bull when it turned out everyone hated her.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2018 9:20:55 GMT
Well there is no particular reason why they couldn't bring them back if they wanted to. Neither of them died and if you look at the entries involving them in World of Thedas 2, it is clear there is much more to their characters than was apparent in game.
Regarding Tallis needing to look like Felicia Day. Elves have changed in appearance between all 3 games and I actually thought making a DA2 elf look like Felicia Day was weird because that particular version of the elves was the most alien looking so trying to make the character look like a real life human just didn't work for me. It wouldn't seem strange to have a future Tallis look different considering the elves have changed again from DA2 to DAI. Nor would it matter that the actress didn't want to play her considering they have changed the VA for certain characters between games, Anders being the most notable one but Isabella was another.
What I didn't like about her in MoA was that they did try to make her look like the actress and that it seemed like she could do no wrong. She became the invincible heroine of MoA, intentional or not. If they bring her back then I would like them to make her fallible. What I have realised from reading WoT2 and from Trespasser is that there is still much they could develop about her character so it could be interesting if they did so. However, they did mention her a fair bit in the war table missions if you sided with the Qun, so that and Trespasser may be as far as they will go in involving the character.
Gatt in DAI just seemed like Tallis mark 2. He had been a slave, he had been mistreated, then the Qun rescued him and so he feels he owes them his allegiance. He seems a bit rebellious to have been tolerated but they obviously find him useful. He thinks there are good aspects to the Qun and the only way to improve the bad bits is from within. This just seems designed to make the player sympathise with these characters without giving any good reason why we should imagine that the Qun is likely to change.
So I suppose it is possible they could bring back one or both of these characters if they wished as they both have previous links to the north and logically could be used as part of Qunari spy network there. I must admit if they are going to have a conflicted Qunari character in the next game then they might just as well build on characters they have already used than introducing new ones with pretty much the same outlook, unless they wish to convince us that there is an actual faction within the Qun of these people, in which case one wonders why their thought police haven't intervened.
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Post by psychomegify on Aug 16, 2018 12:05:44 GMT
I'm not opposed to either of them returning so long as they are given more development and are written well. And make Talis less of a self-insert and more of a fully-fledged character. They both have potential. Plus i like it when old characters make a reappearance, even when it's small.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 16, 2018 12:42:56 GMT
I'm not opposed to either of them returning so long as they are given more development and are written well. And make Talis less of a self-insert and more of a fully-fledged character. They both have potential. Plus i like it when old characters make a reappearance, even when it's small. Tallis had some pretty interesting hooks, IMO. Like the fact that she pushes for no violence - is that her personal preference, a practical necessity for her role (leave less bodies, draw less attention), or some facet of Qunari philosophy? Plus, she’s sort of an on-again/off-again Qunari, and that’s an interesting dynamic, especially for a Ben-Hassrath. Knowing what we now know about Hissrad, how much of her backstory/behavior in Redemption was a front to get people to trust her? I do wonder how she’d have been received if her character model had been a bit different. Would have complicated her costume budget for Redemption, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 12:45:19 GMT
Did anyone watch the DA Youtube show Felicia made to go with MoTA? It was fun, eventually, but damn they made a lot of mistakes. There was also that romantic vision of the Qun that seems so unrealistic to me, DA is usually good at showing both sides but I felt like they failed to do that so much with Tallis.
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Post by psychomegify on Aug 16, 2018 12:48:51 GMT
I'm not opposed to either of them returning so long as they are given more development and are written well. And make Talis less of a self-insert and more of a fully-fledged character. They both have potential. Plus i like it when old characters make a reappearance, even when it's small. Tallis had some pretty interesting hooks, IMO. Like the fact that she pushes for no violence - is that her personal preference, a practical necessity for her role (leave less bodies, draw less attention), or some facet of Qunari philosophy? Plus, she’s sort of an on-again/off-again Qunari, and that’s an interesting dynamic, especially for a Ben-Hassrath. Knowing what we now know about Hissrad, how much of her backstory/behavior in Redemption was a front to get people to trust her? I do wonder how she’d have been received if her character model had been a bit different. Would have complicated her costume budget for Redemption, though. Yeah, she has a lot to expand on already. So i'd love to see where the writers go with it. I think her bad reception was also partially because of her dialouge imo. I remember it reading like a bad self insert the likes you'd find on wattpad. Well actually thats a bit too harsh but yeah. Then again it's been a while since ive played the dlc so my memory could be tainted.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 16, 2018 12:51:11 GMT
I didn't mind Tallis in MOTA. Although I don't like having real people faces in DA, I know it happened in Mass Effect but meh. Gatt was ok, also cool name. So why not?
Mostly I'd rather have Qunari qunari. We know other races can join the Qun, but I have fond memory of Sten and the Arishok. There's a high level of mental gymnastic when it comes to QunariTheRealDeal I tend to enjoy. They are, like every other races/culture/religion of Thedas, full of it, but they are so earnest. They will betray or kill you, and it does not come as a surprise, and if you stand your ground and uphold some ideals they will respect you for it. They are my favorite frenemies.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 16, 2018 13:15:35 GMT
Tallis had some pretty interesting hooks, IMO. Like the fact that she pushes for no violence - is that her personal preference, a practical necessity for her role (leave less bodies, draw less attention), or some facet of Qunari philosophy? Plus, she’s sort of an on-again/off-again Qunari, and that’s an interesting dynamic, especially for a Ben-Hassrath. Knowing what we now know about Hissrad, how much of her backstory/behavior in Redemption was a front to get people to trust her? I do wonder how she’d have been received if her character model had been a bit different. Would have complicated her costume budget for Redemption, though. Yeah, she has a lot to expand on already. So i'd love to see where the writers go with it. I think her bad reception was also partially because of her dialouge imo. I remember it reading like a bad self insert the likes you'd find on wattpad. Well actually thats a bit too harsh but yeah. Then again it's been a while since ive played the dlc so my memory could be tainted. Wouldn’t it also be weird if her dialogue was smooth? She’s a Qunari, they’re all kinda socially awkward around bas.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 16, 2018 13:19:00 GMT
Did anyone watch the DA Youtube show Felicia made to go with MoTA? It was fun, eventually, but damn they made a lot of mistakes. There was also that romantic vision of the Qun that seems so unrealistic to me, DA is usually good at showing both sides but I felt like they failed to do that so much with Tallis. That webseries was all about spoiling the big plot without anyone knowing. Which actually makes you wonder how much the Qunari actually knew before DAI happened. Mask of Fen'Harel at Sundermount on Mythal's altar to tear the Veil
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:23:06 GMT
Did anyone watch the DA Youtube show Felicia made to go with MoTA? It was fun, eventually, but damn they made a lot of mistakes. There was also that romantic vision of the Qun that seems so unrealistic to me, DA is usually good at showing both sides but I felt like they failed to do that so much with Tallis. That webseries was all about spoiling the big plot without anyone knowing. Which actually makes you wonder how much the Qunari actually knew before DAI happened. Mask of Fen'Harel at Sundermount on Mythal's altar to tear the Veil Damn. I watched it before DAI, maybe I should watch it again.
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