inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 22, 2019 16:40:50 GMT
create a new worldstate different from anything ME3 provides How can you do that, without the endings? Handwave them away? organics shed the synthetics off them, Reapers flew back to dark space and it's 5000 years later?
|
|
Iakus
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 20,875 Likes: 49,330
inherit
402
0
Dec 21, 2018 17:35:11 GMT
49,330
Iakus
20,875
August 2016
iakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Iakus on Jul 22, 2019 18:05:31 GMT
create a new worldstate different from anything ME3 provides How can you do that, without the endings? Handwave them away? organics shed the synthetics off them, Reapers flew back to dark space and it's 5000 years later? The Reapers were stopped. No one really knows how, the secret was lost in the devastation of the war. Heck no one really knows if they WERE defeated, or if they were simply driven away, or a deal was cut. Perhaps they'll return some day.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 22, 2019 18:11:01 GMT
The Reapers were stopped. No one really knows how, the secret was lost in the devastation of the war. Heck no one really knows if they WERE defeated, or if they were simply driven away, or a deal was cut. Perhaps they'll return some day. That's all well and good, but I'm not gonna be really hankering for another new squad full of Josh Whedon's rejects. And the 3rd obligatory Asari with eyebrows.
|
|
Iakus
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 20,875 Likes: 49,330
inherit
402
0
Dec 21, 2018 17:35:11 GMT
49,330
Iakus
20,875
August 2016
iakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Iakus on Jul 22, 2019 18:38:25 GMT
The Reapers were stopped. No one really knows how, the secret was lost in the devastation of the war. Heck no one really knows if they WERE defeated, or if they were simply driven away, or a deal was cut. Perhaps they'll return some day. That's all well and good, but I'm not gonna be really hankering for another new squad full of Josh Whedon's rejects. And the 3rd obligatory Asari with eyebrows. Well, that's a separate issue. ...
|
|
inherit
1227
0
Member is Online
Apr 19, 2024 18:20:57 GMT
3,662
Phantom
2,657
August 2016
deathscepter
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Phantom on Jul 22, 2019 19:14:36 GMT
it would be funny to have an Asari character with Eyebrows to become a major villain, because setting her up similar how most mass effect recruit-able characters are recruited but recruiting her, she is responsible for a massive terrorist attack.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 23, 2019 11:26:31 GMT
Well, that's a separate issue. ... It's an important one, though. it would be funny to have an Asari character with Eyebrows to become a major villain, because setting her up similar how most mass effect recruit-able characters are recruited but recruiting her, she is responsible for a massive terrorist attack. That would rustle a few jimmies.
|
|
inherit
1227
0
Member is Online
Apr 19, 2024 18:20:57 GMT
3,662
Phantom
2,657
August 2016
deathscepter
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Phantom on Jul 23, 2019 15:41:24 GMT
Well, that's a separate issue. ... It's an important one, though. it would be funny to have an Asari character with Eyebrows to become a major villain, because setting her up similar how most mass effect recruit-able characters are recruited but recruiting her, she is responsible for a massive terrorist attack. That would rustle a few jimmies. that is the point of it. It would rustle some more jimmies if a Cerberus Phantom is avenging those that she killed during that Terrorist Attack.
|
|
inherit
738
0
4,632
Link"Guess"ski
3,882
August 2016
linkenski
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
Linkenski
asblinkenski
Linkenski
|
Post by Link"Guess"ski on Aug 9, 2019 16:05:36 GMT
Once again a popular vote that shows more about who's left in the building than what the total consensus would likely say.
There's many, many people who cared about Mass Effect. Now there's fewer.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,161
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,818
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Aug 9, 2019 18:20:55 GMT
OTOH, we don't have to worry about the tastes of people who really are gone.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 13, 2019 17:01:15 GMT
OTOH, we don't have to worry about the tastes of people who really are gone. That actually goes the other way. If you've driven too many people away, that means that you're left with a very vocal minority, whose taste doesn't coincide with that of the general gaming audience, because if it did, then this place would be bustling and Bioware would be making 9-10/10 games, not 7-5/10 ones.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,161
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,818
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Aug 13, 2019 19:11:44 GMT
I don't think it's methodologically sound to posit any sort of commonality between people who have angrily walked away from the series and people who have no strong feelings about it, or have never played it, or have never even heard of it. Most of the first group wkmmkq3alked away for reasons which just won't be relevant to most members of the latter groups.
Edit: it would help if we had a clearer picture of who's walked out and why. "Don't repeat the ME3 ending" has proven to be hard to operationalize.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 13, 2019 19:28:00 GMT
I don't think it's methodologically sound to posit any sort of commonality between people who have angrily walked away from the series and people who have no strong feelings about it, or have never played it, or have never even heard of it. So, if I am a company that has a forum with ... 100 people visiting and through my choices, 90 people walk away. And out of the 10 remaining, I follow the 7 that agree on something and that is preferable to winning the 90 I lost back? I know that 7 people aren't enough to maintain my business, because I already had to fire everyone from one department and my parent company had to compensate for my shortcomings by firing a number of people of a subsidiary, so now I'm going to double down on a position that failed me, twice now, in hopes that the third one will, most likely, net me even less people than the last one.
If I made this choice in the company I am currently working with, I would be shown the door. Anyone who goes to EA with this proposition is guaranteed to "voluntarily" leave the Bioware. The only thing in question is the "when" that will happen. Will the execs realize from the start that is a bad idea? or will it be the "too late" kind, where the entire company gets axed, after the entire leadership "quits" voluntarily and we're going to argue "it's all going according to plan" and "ME:A2 was a resounding financial success" and "it's natural for the studio lead to quit after a game's launch" etc.
Even if the end result isn't perfect, even if its mediocre, you got enough people on board to gain some hubbub around your name again, some goodwill among the community and some time for your studio and employees. I can only see it as a win, in my book,
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,161
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,818
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Aug 13, 2019 19:44:46 GMT
Leaving aside that you're just making up numbers there, do you have any clear idea why you lost the 90? Something that's actually relevant to a future game?
What's your actual design proposal? What problems are you trying to fix, and how will you fix them?
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 13, 2019 19:49:23 GMT
do you have any clear idea why you lost the 90? That's easy. I called them stupid and entitled and refused to fix a bad product, or an aspect of my product that left way to many of my customers dissatisfied and what I did do failed to mitigate the damage that I did on my name and brand. So while my competition prospered and grew, I stagnated and lost a significant part of my operation.
|
|
Cyberstrike
N4
is wanting to have some fun!
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
XBL Gamertag: cyberstrike nTo
PSN: cyberstrike-nTo
Prime Posts: 1,732
Prime Likes: 467
Posts: 1,871 Likes: 3,040
inherit
634
0
May 14, 2017 17:50:43 GMT
3,040
Cyberstrike
is wanting to have some fun!
1,871
August 2016
cyberstrike
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
cyberstrike nTo
cyberstrike-nTo
1,732
467
|
Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 13, 2019 19:53:50 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda 2 a third person (none of this first person RPG bullshit FPP has NO use or value in RPGs add an option for it if you have to but I will never play an RPG in FPP. It's not fun for me and IMHO it is stupid) sci-fi action RPG with a stand-alone single player mode and a stand-alone multiplayer modes. Just keep the Apex deployments as they were in MEA1 that was just right for me, they're 100% optional and if I want to mess with them then I can and if I don't want to mess with them then I don't have too and they don't affect the SP mode that much (other than some money, crafting, and some weapons that are already in the SP game) maybe up the limit of teams from 6 to 8 and raise the level cap from 20 to 40. The rest would just be fan fiction.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,161
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,818
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Aug 13, 2019 20:00:14 GMT
do you have any clear idea why you lost the 90? That's easy. I called them stupid and entitled and refused to fix a bad product, or an aspect of my product that left way to many of my customers dissatisfied and what I did do failed to mitigate the damage that I did on my name and brand. So while my competition prospered and grew, I stagnated and lost a significant part of my operation. I noticed you cut the part of my paragraph where I specified something relevant to a future game. What design implications does any of this have for ME5? For that matter, exactly what "fix" are you talking about?
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 13, 2019 20:12:42 GMT
I noticed you cut the part of my paragraph where I specified something relevant to a future game. What design implications does any of this have for ME5? For that matter, exactly what "fix" are you talking about? I can make as many proposals as you want. How many of them are you willing to agree with, in order to help Bioware turn things around?
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,161
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,818
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Aug 13, 2019 20:22:07 GMT
As many as I think are actually good.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 13, 2019 20:26:09 GMT
As many as I think are actually good. In other words, none of my suggestions.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,161
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,818
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Aug 14, 2019 17:20:02 GMT
None of them have impressed me so far, 'tis true, either from a personal taste or a marketability standpoint.
However, I could certainly be wrong about the latter. But I leave worrying about marketability to the people who are paid to do it. They have the data, I don't.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 14, 2019 18:02:26 GMT
None of them have impressed me so far, 'tis true, either from a personal taste or a marketability standpoint. However, I could certainly be wrong about the latter. But I leave worrying about marketability to the people who are paid to do it. They have the data, I don't. But you can see that the people that didn't like something the first time are probably not going to care for it the second time around and the people that weren't around for it the first time, will just look at Andromeda and the media that will, without a doubt, be roasting Andromeda 2 and just stay away. And these people will also not have the faith that we have/use to have in Bioware, because they simply weren't there, back in 1998, when Bioware blew the world away with Baldur's Gate and created an unprecedented standard for cRPGs.
Andromeda 2 is not a marketable product.
|
|
sjsharp2010
N7
Go Team!
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 10,595 Likes: 18,373
inherit
2309
0
Apr 19, 2024 17:05:04 GMT
18,373
sjsharp2010
Go Team!
10,595
December 2016
sjsharp2010
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 29, 2019 12:10:12 GMT
Went with Rydre and MEA 2 as I wantt osee Ryder's story continue. as for me ther was nothing wrong with the premise the executoin ma yhabve been a bit off but the idea was therbut I think that's something the ycan work on in an MEA2 if they went for it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
10036
0
Apr 19, 2024 18:25:31 GMT
Deleted
0
Apr 19, 2024 18:25:31 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 14:34:22 GMT
None of them have impressed me so far, 'tis true, either from a personal taste or a marketability standpoint. However, I could certainly be wrong about the latter. But I leave worrying about marketability to the people who are paid to do it. They have the data, I don't. But you can see that the people that didn't like something the first time are probably not going to care for it the second time around and the people that weren't around for it the first time, will just look at Andromeda and the media that will, without a doubt, be roasting Andromeda 2 and just stay away. And these people will also not have the faith that we have/use to have in Bioware, because they simply weren't there, back in 1998, when Bioware blew the world away with Baldur's Gate and created an unprecedented standard for cRPGs.
Andromeda 2 is not a marketable product.
That even among people who did not love Andromeda, what they disliked about it differs greatly among them and actually very few reacted with point-blank all out hatred for the entire game and concept?. You're assuming that they will automatically reject everything about a new game as long as it has any mentioned of the Andromeda galaxy in it. That's blatantly ignoring what people have been actually saying about it. If your premise of all encompassing hatred is true, then any attempt to revive Mass Effect post ME3 is absolutely doomed to fail on all fronts because ME3 is clearly where the backlash and "roasting" of the franchise began... and people still talk about hating the endings 7 years gone... and to this day, there has been NO SOLUTION to that ending problem that has generated universal appeal and quelled those complaints... and your proposals simply aren't that magical solution either.
Clearly, people who are actively hating on Andromeda are becoming fewer and fewer. There are quite a few signs that people have been revisiting the game and finding it "not as bad" as they first thought. Not everyone, of course... but quite a few. A lot of the fan concerrn has shifted to Anthem and even the daily rants about that game are quieting down (not saying it's out of trouble, but the Cataclysm has had a little bit of a positive effect... probably not enough to save it, but the hate wagon doesn't seem to be growing at least).
The criticisms of Andromeda simply haven't had the sustained rant factor that the ME3 endings have had. People are simply not as invested in the game to carry such a long-term grudge against it... and more people will lose interest in hating on it as we are likely more than 4-5 years from release of another game at best. Your backlash IS a wild speculation based in fear (and as I said way back when, fear is not a good reason to decide on the content of a game). As long as Bioware addresses the specific criticisms made about the game and produces a great game, that it's located in another galaxy and even that it might pick up on threads left open from the previous game won't generate the kind of hatred you're imagining. If it's a great game, all will be forgiven in a heartbeat. Even if the game takes place in Andromeda and picks up on open threads left in ME:A1, it would not be the same thing again. The game itself would be different. The story would be a sequel, not a repeat. As a sequel, it could easily be written to be vastly better than it's prequel.
The immediate survival of Bioware itself is the bigger issue. It is dependent almost entirely on DA4. If DA4 doesn't recoup some of the reputation, we are simply not going to get to a point where there will be another new ME game. In the meantime, the obvious stop-gap move is a simple remaster of the OT and a digital release on the Xbox (through the Microsoft Store). It's simple, cheap, and actually needed at this time. It keeps the ME name in the media in a way that doesn't risk more negatives since it's simply a repeat release of what's already there.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,161
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,818
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Aug 29, 2019 18:55:12 GMT
Mostly agreed, although I'm not sure how much positive buzz a trilogy rerelease would produce. Much of ME1's gameplay has aged badly, and the cover shooter genre itself seems to be declining in relevance. OTOH, it's close to free.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
10036
0
Apr 19, 2024 18:25:31 GMT
Deleted
0
Apr 19, 2024 18:25:31 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 19:02:53 GMT
Mostly agreed, although I'm not sure how much positive buzz a trilogy rerelease would produce. Much of ME1's gameplay has aged badly, and the cover shooter genre itself seems to be declining in relevance. OTOH, it's close to free. Maybe not a hail mary touchdown pass... but a possible first down that prevents a punt.
|
|