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Post by quole on Nov 16, 2018 12:10:26 GMT
Mass Effect is certainly in a lot of trouble. The reputation has been destroyed by Andromeda and ME3. ME2 started the downward trend but a lot of people seem to like it still regardless. The series is practically a joke now though. If they are going to continue the series they need to put a lot of money and effort in to the next game because I don't know how much more the fans can take. General audiences' perception of the series assume is pretty bad now too. A new ME game could do really well I think if Bioware went back to their roots and made a true RPG, got the old writers back, fired Mac Walters and Casey Hudson and tried their best to rectify all the mistakes that were made past ME1. For me Bioware was great a long time ago because they were my go-to devs for the next great RPG. Now I have CD Projekt red for that. I have absolutely NO interest in Anthem, partly because Warframe already fills that niche (and if I had to bet I would say that WF and even Destiny 2 are far better games than Anthem will be, especially with EA as the publisher) and partly because I have no faith in Bioware anymore. Between ME2, ME3, TOR, DA2, DAI, etc. Bioware has proven to me that they can no longer fill that role of having great RPGs, and now just produce rushed, poorly written games designed to appeal to as many people as possible. Honestly I think Bioware is done. They may continue to make games but the Bioware I loved years ago is long gone. You can talk about how Bioware and ME arent in trouble but to me they were in trouble years ago and are now passed that, to the point where they are basically dead. My point is I don't think even if they aren't technically in trouble and they do make another ME game that it will not matter because it will probably be nothing like the games we fell in love with. Please just give the franchise to CD Projekt Red. For the love of... No just no. CDPR is good but keep them away from ME. Why? Their games have far better writing, world design, ect. The Witcher 3 is twice the game ME3 is. I love how people are saying: CD project red makes amazing RPGs bioware doesnt know how to any more. Like bro... CDPR has made three games... all of them are witcher games which was adapted from the books. And Cyberpunk is an adaption of a table top rpg. so even though CDPR is older than bioware by a year they have made five games with a sixth on the way that are not original IPs. while other than the star wars games bioware as only made their own IP and has made 3 original IPs in the last 10 years. did i mention they have made 19 games within that same time? now i do love the witcher 3 and think it the golden standard of RPGs but they dont make their own IP they have only done adaptations. if they go 19 game without a blemish, that would be one thing. but they arent even close to that. And their IPs have gone to shit. The ME franchise is a joke. The trilogy was not planned at all, that's why the second game has nothing to do with the other games and the third game is a it's own self contained story, and then of course there's Andromeda. The fact is that Bioware has not made a good rpg since DA:O whereas CDPR has made only good rpgs. And you saying that they can't make their own ip baffles me because it's completely redundant. If they can adapt an existing ip and do it justice, then why can't they do the same with Mass Effect of Dragon Age? That entire comment was pointless lol. Please just give the franchise to CD Projekt Red. Lol the real stupidity here is coming from someone who wants a company like Bioware to hold on to these franchises that actually have potential. But maybe you are content with poorly written action games with forced MP and micro transactions?
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 16, 2018 12:51:38 GMT
For the love of... No just no. CDPR is good but keep them away from ME. Why? Their games have far better writing, world design, ect. The Witcher 3 is twice the game ME3 is. I love how people are saying: CD project red makes amazing RPGs bioware doesnt know how to any more. Like bro... CDPR has made three games... all of them are witcher games which was adapted from the books. And Cyberpunk is an adaption of a table top rpg. so even though CDPR is older than bioware by a year they have made five games with a sixth on the way that are not original IPs. while other than the star wars games bioware as only made their own IP and has made 3 original IPs in the last 10 years. did i mention they have made 19 games within that same time? now i do love the witcher 3 and think it the golden standard of RPGs but they dont make their own IP they have only done adaptations. if they go 19 game without a blemish, that would be one thing. but they arent even close to that. And their IPs have gone to shit. The ME franchise is a joke. The trilogy was not planned at all, that's why the second game has nothing to do with the other games and the third game is a it's own self contained story, and then of course there's Andromeda. The fact is that Bioware has not made a good rpg since DA:O whereas CDPR has made only good rpgs. And you saying that they can't make their own ip baffles me because it's completely redundant. If they can adapt an existing ip and do it justice, then why can't they do the same with Mass Effect of Dragon Age? That entire comment was pointless lol. Lol the real stupidity here is coming from someone who wants a company like Bioware to hold on to these franchises that actually have potential. But maybe you are content with poorly written action games with forced MP and micro transactions? Why? Because their games while good are dark adult fantasy. I don't want ME turning into that.
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Post by quole on Nov 16, 2018 13:08:34 GMT
Why? Their games have far better writing, world design, ect. The Witcher 3 is twice the game ME3 is. And their IPs have gone to shit. The ME franchise is a joke. The trilogy was not planned at all, that's why the second game has nothing to do with the other games and the third game is a it's own self contained story, and then of course there's Andromeda. The fact is that Bioware has not made a good rpg since DA:O whereas CDPR has made only good rpgs. And you saying that they can't make their own ip baffles me because it's completely redundant. If they can adapt an existing ip and do it justice, then why can't they do the same with Mass Effect of Dragon Age? That entire comment was pointless lol. Lol the real stupidity here is coming from someone who wants a company like Bioware to hold on to these franchises that actually have potential. But maybe you are content with poorly written action games with forced MP and micro transactions? Why? Because their games while good are dark adult fantasy. I don't want ME turning into that. alright fair enough. If you personally don't like the direction they took with the Witcher and Cyberpunk then that's fine. Personally I would love that in DA or ME. CDPR have also proven to me that they are far more competent than Bioware.
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Post by Serza on Nov 16, 2018 13:26:55 GMT
CDPR is so far a one-hit-wonder, might I remind you.
Turns out Thronebreaker isn't quite meeting expectations.
In other words, Serza is having a field day, more at 11.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 15:35:18 GMT
CDPR is so far a one-hit-wonder, might I remind you. Turns out Thronebreaker isn't quite meeting expectations. In other words, Serza is having a field day, more at 11. Such a fanboy... 3 Witcher games have out sold 4 Mass Effect games combined as of 2018. 3 out selling 4 seems like pretty simple math to me. Next?
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 16, 2018 15:47:14 GMT
CDPR is so far a one-hit-wonder, might I remind you. Turns out Thronebreaker isn't quite meeting expectations. In other words, Serza is having a field day, more at 11. Such a fanboy... 3 Witcher games have out sold 4 Mass Effect games combined as of 2018. 3 out selling 4 seems like pretty simple math to me. Next? Can I see your numbers for I can never find real numbers about how Mass Effect has sold it always comes across as pure guesswork with no evidence and now due to digital sales its even harder to know.
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Post by Serza on Nov 16, 2018 18:07:26 GMT
CDPR is so far a one-hit-wonder, might I remind you. Turns out Thronebreaker isn't quite meeting expectations. In other words, Serza is having a field day, more at 11. Such a fanboy... 3 Witcher games have out sold 4 Mass Effect games combined as of 2018. 3 out selling 4 seems like pretty simple math to me. Next?
Turns out someone may have won that argument for me...
And by what definition do you go by that you can tell I'm fanboying about anything from that post? Wouldn't the proper term be "hateboy" if we go straight towards enriching English for new words?
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 16, 2018 20:13:57 GMT
Why? Because their games while good are dark adult fantasy. I don't want ME turning into that. alright fair enough. If you personally don't like the direction they took with the Witcher and Cyberpunk then that's fine. Personally I would love that in DA or ME. CDPR have also proven to me that they are far more competent than Bioware. I didn't say I didn't like that direction. Just not for ME.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 16, 2018 22:18:54 GMT
Such a fanboy... 3 Witcher games have out sold 4 Mass Effect games combined as of 2018. 3 out selling 4 seems like pretty simple math to me. Next? Can I see your numbers for I can never find real numbers about how Mass Effect has sold it always comes across as pure guesswork with no evidence and now due to digital sales its even harder to know. Still gives a rough idea of popularity. But given there was no DLC even planned and the BioWare division that made ME:A was liquidated completely and it's staff sent to other developers under EA's banner kind of shows it didn't do all that well. Mean while the other group is a one hit wonder according to some people yet manages to retain it's independence and hasn't been liquidated or gone bankrupt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 23:15:34 GMT
Such a fanboy... 3 Witcher games have out sold 4 Mass Effect games combined as of 2018. 3 out selling 4 seems like pretty simple math to me. Next? Can I see your numbers for I can never find real numbers about how Mass Effect has sold it always comes across as pure guesswork with no evidence and now due to digital sales its even harder to know. Here you go. We know what the series sold through ME1 to ME3 (14 Million. These numbers are easy to find). Now, for arguments sake...Lets give Andromeda the 6-9 million that fanboys around the world would love. That puts the series at 20-29 million across all 4 games. Less than 33 right? But we all know for damn sure that Andromeda didn't sell 6-9 million...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 23:17:54 GMT
Such a fanboy... 3 Witcher games have out sold 4 Mass Effect games combined as of 2018. 3 out selling 4 seems like pretty simple math to me. Next?
Turns out someone may have won that argument for me...
And by what definition do you go by that you can tell I'm fanboying about anything from that post? Wouldn't the proper term be "hateboy" if we go straight towards enriching English for new words?
I was being sarcastic towards myself. I figured the term would have been tossed at me in general though I wasn't the biggest fan of TW3 anyway. Much preferred TW2 in fact. Turns out your wrong about the sales anyway...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 0:24:46 GMT
CDPR is so far a one-hit-wonder, might I remind you. Turns out Thronebreaker isn't quite meeting expectations. In other words, Serza is having a field day, more at 11.Gwent: The Witcher Card Game more than makes up for that but lets not let that little detail get in your way... Thronebreaker's (through CDPR's own acknowledgement) poor sales were cause mainly do to its exclusivity through Gog.com. It was pretty dumb of them to do this but it happened and they learned from it. I still can't understand why people bash CDPR? They're anti DRM on Gog.com, they release their full financial earnings every quarter and clearly show how many units sold for each game. Why would anyone hate on a company as open as them but defend Bioware now a days? And I'm just not in to fake news...
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2018 4:08:45 GMT
Can I see your numbers for I can never find real numbers about how Mass Effect has sold it always comes across as pure guesswork with no evidence and now due to digital sales its even harder to know. Still gives a rough idea of popularity. But given there was no DLC even planned and the BioWare division that made ME:A was liquidated completely and it's staff sent to other developers under EA's banner kind of shows it didn't do all that well. Mean while the other group is a one hit wonder according to some people yet manages to retain it's independence and hasn't been liquidated or gone bankrupt. The thing is even with the studio being closed EA has talked highly of the success of Andromeda, now I am not going to argue this again for I have elsewhere. I just there was something else going on inside BioWare Montreal then bad sales numbers for Andromeda to cause them to be closed. Not sure how their being independent means they have high sales numbers or that they haven't been liquidated or gone bankrupt for I have never said their games don't sell. I just asked for proof of the numbers were being used.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 17, 2018 6:22:36 GMT
Still gives a rough idea of popularity. But given there was no DLC even planned and the BioWare division that made ME:A was liquidated completely and it's staff sent to other developers under EA's banner kind of shows it didn't do all that well. Mean while the other group is a one hit wonder according to some people yet manages to retain it's independence and hasn't been liquidated or gone bankrupt. The thing is even with the studio being closed EA has talked highly of the success of Andromeda, now I am not going to argue this again for I have elsewhere. I just there was something else going on inside BioWare Montreal then bad sales numbers for Andromeda to cause them to be closed. Not sure how their being independent means they have high sales numbers or that they haven't been liquidated or gone bankrupt for I have never said their games don't sell. I just asked for proof of the numbers were being used. EA are hardly going to tell everyone their game was rated garbage by fans and critics and generally sullies the reputation of not only the franchise but of the developers bringing Biowares and therefore dragon age SWTOR and Anthems existence into question. And frankly I don't blame them.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2018 7:40:51 GMT
The thing is even with the studio being closed EA has talked highly of the success of Andromeda, now I am not going to argue this again for I have elsewhere. I just there was something else going on inside BioWare Montreal then bad sales numbers for Andromeda to cause them to be closed. Not sure how their being independent means they have high sales numbers or that they haven't been liquidated or gone bankrupt for I have never said their games don't sell. I just asked for proof of the numbers were being used. EA are hardly going to tell everyone their game was rated garbage by fans and critics and generally sullies the reputation of not only the franchise but of the developers bringing Biowares and therefore dragon age SWTOR and Anthems existence into question. And frankly I don't blame them. They cannot lie to investors and they said it has preformed very well during investor calls. They can lie and mislead players and the media all they want, but if they mislead investors they can face investigations and lawsuits which could cost them a lot more then just an under performing game.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 17, 2018 7:51:29 GMT
EA are hardly going to tell everyone their game was rated garbage by fans and critics and generally sullies the reputation of not only the franchise but of the developers bringing Biowares and therefore dragon age SWTOR and Anthems existence into question. And frankly I don't blame them. They cannot lie to investors and they said it has preformed very well during investor calls. They can lie and mislead players and the media all they want, but if they mislead investors they can face investigations and lawsuits which could cost them a lot more then just an under performing game. Companies lie all the time. They don't call it that though they'd probably call it "creative presentation techniques" that distort the presented facts. McDonalds isn't going to tell their share holders that the product is toxic in large doses and creates massive health issues for the wider public. When it does. Is that lying?
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Post by Serza on Nov 17, 2018 8:30:30 GMT
Holy shit, Thronebreaker made it into top 20 overnight. (Can it beat W3 for any amount of time? That thing's still actually holding up well, kudos for that) What a success for a new game Also what are your sources on the sales? Because last I checked, all EA is giving people are a couple figures to make estimates off of. Though I am surprised you favor the best game in the Witcher trilogy. Something in common, to make the surprise even greater.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2018 8:34:26 GMT
They cannot lie to investors and they said it has preformed very well during investor calls. They can lie and mislead players and the media all they want, but if they mislead investors they can face investigations and lawsuits which could cost them a lot more then just an under performing game. Companies lie all the time. They don't call it that though they'd probably call it "creative presentation techniques" that distort the presented facts. McDonalds isn't going to tell their share holders that the product is toxic in large doses and creates massive health issues for the wider public. When it does. Is that lying? If they make it sound like the opposite of what is happening, yes it is lying because its misleading the investors and the general public about the company and impacting the share value. It would have the same impact as what Elon Musk did with Tesla when he talked about the value of the stock on Twitter. This is the direct quote from Andrew Wilson during the investors report for Fiscal Y2018 Q3 "if you look at Mass Effect, and while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong". Now investors hear that they are going to think the game made more then its investment back and not that it was a financial disappointment for EA. Remember what happened with Battlefield 4 investors sued EA because they thought the marketing speak for that game mislead them into buying shares. Do you really think they wouldn't sue EA because they said that Mass Effect did really well when the financial numbers say it didn't.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 17, 2018 9:32:22 GMT
Companies lie all the time. They don't call it that though they'd probably call it "creative presentation techniques" that distort the presented facts. McDonalds isn't going to tell their share holders that the product is toxic in large doses and creates massive health issues for the wider public. When it does. Is that lying? If they make it sound like the opposite of what is happening, yes it is lying because its misleading the investors and the general public about the company and impacting the share value. It would have the same impact as what Elon Musk did with Tesla when he talked about the value of the stock on Twitter. This is the direct quote from Andrew Wilson during the investors report for Fiscal Y2018 Q3 "if you look at Mass Effect, and while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong". EA coming up with that quote.would sound something like: People are mad about this game. We'll call it 'Polarising sentiment' We covered costs though and made a short term profit off initial sales but it's dead in the water so far as predictions for future sales go. We'll say it performed "well", past tense. There's always MP? Those guys are still playing. Call it player engagement. OK so we'll go with: There was some polarising sentiment but the game performed well and players are still engaged.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2018 12:53:17 GMT
If they make it sound like the opposite of what is happening, yes it is lying because its misleading the investors and the general public about the company and impacting the share value. It would have the same impact as what Elon Musk did with Tesla when he talked about the value of the stock on Twitter. This is the direct quote from Andrew Wilson during the investors report for Fiscal Y2018 Q3 "if you look at Mass Effect, and while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong". EA coming up with that quote.would sound something like: People are mad about this game. We'll call it 'Polarising sentiment' We covered costs though and made a short term profit off initial sales but it's dead in the water so far as predictions for future sales go. We'll say it performed "well", past tense. There's always MP? Those guys are still playing. Call it player engagement. OK so we'll go with: There was some polarising sentiment but the game performed well and players are still engaged. That is misleading how the game actually did, they cannot spin it that much for you might want to see them spin it that much, but giving such a massive alteration to how the game did is lying even going through your hoops. Its not about how EA looks at those statements, but how those statements will be interpreted by others. Edit: Those are the type of comments that would go to journalists and such, but not to investors. It is expected that when you are dealing with investors you are straight forward and the comments don't require you to decipher them. Besides you are accurate with most of your statements, for I am pretty sure player engagement is people that are still participating with the game financially and since there wasn't DLC it would be MP and people being upset at the launch was a polarizing launch. I think you are just underplaying what the statement "really well" means and what it would mean to investors and would also mean the internet claiming the game "tanked" or "bombed" is wrong.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 17, 2018 13:10:26 GMT
Holy shit, Thronebreaker made it into top 20 overnight. (Can it beat W3 for any amount of time? That thing's still actually holding up well, kudos for that) What a success for a new game Also what are your sources on the sales? Because last I checked, all EA is giving people are a couple figures to make estimates off of. Though I am surprised you favor the best game in the Witcher trilogy. Something in common, to make the surprise even greater. I love the witcher games but people really put them (cdpr) on a pedestal.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 17, 2018 13:45:59 GMT
Still gives a rough idea of popularity. But given there was no DLC even planned and the BioWare division that made ME:A was liquidated completely and it's staff sent to other developers under EA's banner kind of shows it didn't do all that well. Mean while the other group is a one hit wonder according to some people yet manages to retain it's independence and hasn't been liquidated or gone bankrupt. The thing is even with the studio being closed EA has talked highly of the success of Andromeda, now I am not going to argue this again for I have elsewhere. I just there was something else going on inside BioWare Montreal then bad sales numbers for Andromeda to cause them to be closed. Not sure how their being independent means they have high sales numbers or that they haven't been liquidated or gone bankrupt for I have never said their games don't sell. I just asked for proof of the numbers were being used. Rule one of business is never shit on any of your products. Investors hate that, the public hates that and it makes people lose confidence in your brand and your products. You can admit things fell a little short of expectations or make empty promises to make sure the small issues are addressed. But you never openly shit on your product even when it sell badly.
If ME:A sold well and was a financial success then there would have been no reason to liquidate the BioWare Montreal Branch. Which if I remember correctly was only established to help the main BioWare office work on DLC's and such with ME:A being the first full game they have produced. However 4 months after ME:A's release EA stated they plan to shut down the Montreal office and absorb them into Movie Maker another EA owned company working on Star Wars BF single player game and other projects. You do not close down a company that makes money and is a success you only close down companies that are money drains and unsuccessful. If a game sells well then regardless of some back lash you create a second one to keep that money making train going. With BioWare's main office focusing on another game the Montreal one being able to focus on ME:A 2 would have been a great set up to allow back to back games to come out without over pushing the developers. Activision does that with Call of Duty since they have 2 developers working on different versions at the same time allowing a 2 year development cycle between games for each company rather then trying to force a 6 month development cycle.
EA is a simple creature they care only about making money and growing their brand, arguably even more so then other major companies like Ubisoft or Activision. If they thought they could get away with it EA would happily sell for 60 USD a video game that when you put in in your console/PC it simply plays an 8 hour loop of the CEO of EA telling you to go fuck yourself. They would then charge you 20 USD for a chance to maybe get a new insult added into the loop. Or perhaps just the base video saying "go" over and over again and charging you 10 dollars for the word "fuck" and then another 10 dollars for the word "yourself" so you would end up having to pay 80 USD for the full "go fuck yourself." statement.
CD Projekt is an independent video game distributor and developer that isn't owned by one of the larger companies like Ubisoft or Activision or EA like companies like BioWare or Blizzard are. So the fact they are able to remain afloat financially speaks volumes about their ability to produce games that are at least popular enough to keep them independent of the other giants.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2018 15:08:06 GMT
The thing is even with the studio being closed EA has talked highly of the success of Andromeda, now I am not going to argue this again for I have elsewhere. I just there was something else going on inside BioWare Montreal then bad sales numbers for Andromeda to cause them to be closed. Not sure how their being independent means they have high sales numbers or that they haven't been liquidated or gone bankrupt for I have never said their games don't sell. I just asked for proof of the numbers were being used. Rule one of business is never shit on any of your products. Investors hate that, the public hates that and it makes people lose confidence in your brand and your products. You can admit things fell a little short of expectations or make empty promises to make sure the small issues are addressed. But you never openly shit on your product even when it sell badly.
If ME:A sold well and was a financial success then there would have been no reason to liquidate the BioWare Montreal Branch. Which if I remember correctly was only established to help the main BioWare office work on DLC's and such with ME:A being the first full game they have produced. However 4 months after ME:A's release EA stated they plan to shut down the Montreal office and absorb them into Movie Maker another EA owned company working on Star Wars BF single player game and other projects. You do not close down a company that makes money and is a success you only close down companies that are money drains and unsuccessful. If a game sells well then regardless of some back lash you create a second one to keep that money making train going. With BioWare's main office focusing on another game the Montreal one being able to focus on ME:A 2 would have been a great set up to allow back to back games to come out without over pushing the developers. Activision does that with Call of Duty since they have 2 developers working on different versions at the same time allowing a 2 year development cycle between games for each company rather then trying to force a 6 month development cycle.
EA is a simple creature they care only about making money and growing their brand, arguably even more so then other major companies like Ubisoft or Activision. If they thought they could get away with it EA would happily sell for 60 USD a video game that when you put in in your console/PC it simply plays an 8 hour loop of the CEO of EA telling you to go fuck yourself. They would then charge you 20 USD for a chance to maybe get a new insult added into the loop. Or perhaps just the base video saying "go" over and over again and charging you 10 dollars for the word "fuck" and then another 10 dollars for the word "yourself" so you would end up having to pay 80 USD for the full "go fuck yourself." statement.
CD Projekt is an independent video game distributor and developer that isn't owned by one of the larger companies like Ubisoft or Activision or EA like companies like BioWare or Blizzard are. So the fact they are able to remain afloat financially speaks volumes about their ability to produce games that are at least popular enough to keep them independent of the other giants.
You are right, don't shit on your products. The thing is that is when they say nothing or avoid it, you do not lie to investors period. Dead Space 3 got a simple "it didn't meet initial projections" and then nothing else mentioned because that game didn't sell. If what people claim around here and Andromeda bombed because you want to believe that the only reason why they would close a studio is because the game didn't sell you don't risk millions of dollars of lawsuits and FCC fines to try and shine on investors. There are more reasons to close a studio or any other branch of a corporation then just bad sales. Increases in costs at that location, I have seen companies relocate because their rent has gone up and they are combined into other locations or merged into new locations. Locations have also been closed because there isn't work for them. There are other reasons just because we as outsiders can only see one thing doesn't mean its the only thing out there. EA is only making a third of the games they did last generation, so when you abandon lets say a direct sequel to Andromeda what are you going to do with all those people let them sit around and twiddle their thumbs at your expense or do you move them to a place where you have work for them to do for you definitely don't need hundreds of people to make DLC. To me all these publishers are just looking to make a buck, its what they are legally bound to do because they are publicly traded, you might think EA is the worst of the bunch for me they are all equally bad. Activision with its launch making people buy the season pass for Call of Duty instead of allowing individual purchase so instead of buying one or two you are stuck for the full $60. Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed: Odyssey has gotten a lot of flack because people feel they are required to spend $10 for an experience booster to make the game fun to play instead of a slog. Konami released a version of Metal Gear that was 80% movie which is a complaint you made it seem like EA would only do. How about how Blizzard reacted to the players that didn't like the idea of Diablo: Immortal. Not to mention the amount of studios that other publishers have closed over the years, 2K has a high closure rate and its the same with Activision as well and Activision will gut studios and make them into CoD clone studios to make a constant rotation of CoD games. I remember Raven Studios when they made their own games and now its just CoD every three years. Microsoft has a pretty high closure rate of recent memory too and abandoned a lot of games.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 17, 2018 20:51:45 GMT
Rule one of business is never shit on any of your products. Investors hate that, the public hates that and it makes people lose confidence in your brand and your products. You can admit things fell a little short of expectations or make empty promises to make sure the small issues are addressed. But you never openly shit on your product even when it sell badly.
If ME:A sold well and was a financial success then there would have been no reason to liquidate the BioWare Montreal Branch. Which if I remember correctly was only established to help the main BioWare office work on DLC's and such with ME:A being the first full game they have produced. However 4 months after ME:A's release EA stated they plan to shut down the Montreal office and absorb them into Movie Maker another EA owned company working on Star Wars BF single player game and other projects. You do not close down a company that makes money and is a success you only close down companies that are money drains and unsuccessful. If a game sells well then regardless of some back lash you create a second one to keep that money making train going. With BioWare's main office focusing on another game the Montreal one being able to focus on ME:A 2 would have been a great set up to allow back to back games to come out without over pushing the developers. Activision does that with Call of Duty since they have 2 developers working on different versions at the same time allowing a 2 year development cycle between games for each company rather then trying to force a 6 month development cycle.
EA is a simple creature they care only about making money and growing their brand, arguably even more so then other major companies like Ubisoft or Activision. If they thought they could get away with it EA would happily sell for 60 USD a video game that when you put in in your console/PC it simply plays an 8 hour loop of the CEO of EA telling you to go fuck yourself. They would then charge you 20 USD for a chance to maybe get a new insult added into the loop. Or perhaps just the base video saying "go" over and over again and charging you 10 dollars for the word "fuck" and then another 10 dollars for the word "yourself" so you would end up having to pay 80 USD for the full "go fuck yourself." statement.
CD Projekt is an independent video game distributor and developer that isn't owned by one of the larger companies like Ubisoft or Activision or EA like companies like BioWare or Blizzard are. So the fact they are able to remain afloat financially speaks volumes about their ability to produce games that are at least popular enough to keep them independent of the other giants.
You are right, don't shit on your products. The thing is that is when they say nothing or avoid it, you do not lie to investors period. Dead Space 3 got a simple "it didn't meet initial projections" and then nothing else mentioned because that game didn't sell. If what people claim around here and Andromeda bombed because you want to believe that the only reason why they would close a studio is because the game didn't sell you don't risk millions of dollars of lawsuits and FCC fines to try and shine on investors. There are more reasons to close a studio or any other branch of a corporation then just bad sales. Increases in costs at that location, I have seen companies relocate because their rent has gone up and they are combined into other locations or merged into new locations. Locations have also been closed because there isn't work for them. There are other reasons just because we as outsiders can only see one thing doesn't mean its the only thing out there. EA is only making a third of the games they did last generation, so when you abandon lets say a direct sequel to Andromeda what are you going to do with all those people let them sit around and twiddle their thumbs at your expense or do you move them to a place where you have work for them to do for you definitely don't need hundreds of people to make DLC. To me all these publishers are just looking to make a buck, its what they are legally bound to do because they are publicly traded, you might think EA is the worst of the bunch for me they are all equally bad. Activision with its launch making people buy the season pass for Call of Duty instead of allowing individual purchase so instead of buying one or two you are stuck for the full $60. Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed: Odyssey has gotten a lot of flack because people feel they are required to spend $10 for an experience booster to make the game fun to play instead of a slog. Konami released a version of Metal Gear that was 80% movie which is a complaint you made it seem like EA would only do. How about how Blizzard reacted to the players that didn't like the idea of Diablo: Immortal. Not to mention the amount of studios that other publishers have closed over the years, 2K has a high closure rate and its the same with Activision as well and Activision will gut studios and make them into CoD clone studios to make a constant rotation of CoD games. I remember Raven Studios when they made their own games and now its just CoD every three years. Microsoft has a pretty high closure rate of recent memory too and abandoned a lot of games. EA doesn't have to lie to investors nor do you have to lie to the public. If it made slightly more money then it cost to make it is still a financial success in the most technical terms. But if it wasn't enough of one to be worth it or the backlash meant it wouldn't retain the audience enough then it would still be a failure and a waste of money to make a sequel that could be spent else were.
If they moved Montreal office your example would be correct. EA chose not to give them a green light for another project as the director of ME:A said they would love to create a squeal meaning EA is the only reason a squeal wasn't started on already. Instead the office was removed and most workers were sent to work on an existing project rather then give them the green light for the squeal they seemed so willing to make. Hell EA could have put them up to making a PS4/One version of the original Trilogy. Providing a little graphical updates and bug fixes to release the OT for the current console gens. All the voice work and story is done it is just the graphical updates mostly for the first game. I can quite literally play every Assassin's Creed game besides the original one on my PS4 as soon as 3 is released in 2019 yet EA hasn't said a word about green lighting the OT on current gen consoles.
Do people really feel the need to buy an exp booster in Odyssey? Or is it just the people that want to speed rush the main story line and not do all the side content complaining that they can't complete main story lines missions and actually has to participate in side content?
I've not got Odyssey yet but there are plenty of ways to level up and the people complaining are just players that seem to expect instant gratification and instant levels.
Oh all the major developers are terrible about abandoning IPs that don't make 8x the money back or screwing up popular IP's with their own meddling then closing the studio down because it is no longer profitable. In regrades to CoD at this point you either love it and will play it and buy all the maps or your tired of it and wont' care enough to spend money on it. As well it seems like they are offering literally double the total maps released compared to WW2. It is an interesting set up they have going that may or may not stick around for the next version depending on how the sales go. At this point I think they know only the hard core players and streamers are left so they focus sales on them.
EA how ever tends to do a little bit more at least in terms of being greedy. The Sims 4 for example they took what was available in the base game of the Sims 3 and split it into DLC giving players less of a base game then the previous one. Or the whole Battle Front 2 issue were they purposefully locked heros behind a massive time gate with loot boxes to unlock them. Just small little things that set them apart from the others as just a wee bit more greedy.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 18, 2018 0:57:55 GMT
For the love of... No just no. CDPR is good but keep them away from ME. Why? Their games have far better writing, world design, ect. The Witcher 3 is twice the game ME3 is. I love how people are saying: CD project red makes amazing RPGs bioware doesnt know how to any more. Like bro... CDPR has made three games... all of them are witcher games which was adapted from the books. And Cyberpunk is an adaption of a table top rpg. so even though CDPR is older than bioware by a year they have made five games with a sixth on the way that are not original IPs. while other than the star wars games bioware as only made their own IP and has made 3 original IPs in the last 10 years. did i mention they have made 19 games within that same time? now i do love the witcher 3 and think it the golden standard of RPGs but they dont make their own IP they have only done adaptations. if they go 19 game without a blemish, that would be one thing. but they arent even close to that. And their IPs have gone to shit. The ME franchise is a joke. The trilogy was not planned at all, that's why the second game has nothing to do with the other games and the third game is a it's own self contained story, and then of course there's Andromeda. The fact is that Bioware has not made a good rpg since DA:O whereas CDPR has made only good rpgs. And you saying that they can't make their own ip baffles me because it's completely redundant. If they can adapt an existing ip and do it justice, then why can't they do the same with Mass Effect of Dragon Age? That entire comment was pointless lol. Lol the real stupidity here is coming from someone who wants a company like Bioware to hold on to these franchises that actually have potential. But maybe you are content with poorly written action games with forced MP and micro transactions? You gotta love how people defended BioWare's bullshit, and bashing a video game developer who actually gives a shit about their games. Real fans should hold developers accountable when they fuck people over with poorly designed games, not defending them when they are on the wrong. That's why they got away with making mediocre games, because the are people who are willing to defend poor quality games.
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