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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2018 1:13:01 GMT
You gotta love how people defended BioWare's bullshit, and bashing a video game developer who actually gives a shit about their games. Real fans should hold developers accountable when they fuck people over with poorly designed games, not defending them when they are on the wrong. That's why they got away with making mediocre games, because the are people who are willing to defend poor quality games.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 18, 2018 2:06:38 GMT
Why? Their games have far better writing, world design, ect. The Witcher 3 is twice the game ME3 is. And their IPs have gone to shit. The ME franchise is a joke. The trilogy was not planned at all, that's why the second game has nothing to do with the other games and the third game is a it's own self contained story, and then of course there's Andromeda. The fact is that Bioware has not made a good rpg since DA:O whereas CDPR has made only good rpgs. And you saying that they can't make their own ip baffles me because it's completely redundant. If they can adapt an existing ip and do it justice, then why can't they do the same with Mass Effect of Dragon Age? That entire comment was pointless lol. Lol the real stupidity here is coming from someone who wants a company like Bioware to hold on to these franchises that actually have potential. But maybe you are content with poorly written action games with forced MP and micro transactions? You gotta love how people defended BioWare's bullshit, and bashing a video game developer who actually gives a shit about their games. Real fans should hold developers accountable when they fuck people over with poorly designed games, not defending them when they are on the wrong. That's why they got away with making mediocre games, because the are people who are willing to defend poor quality games. I never bashed them and as I like CDPR. Also bioware cares.
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I feel like there should be a meme of this, perhaps replace "I should go" off of Casey Hudson's coffee mug or just show him holding it with the phrase: Biowares Cares Or maybe combine the two have 'Bioware cares' written on the mug but: The Harbinger of our affection. As a caption?
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 18, 2018 20:11:05 GMT
You gotta love how people defended BioWare's bullshit, and bashing a video game developer who actually gives a shit about their games. Real fans should hold developers accountable when they fuck people over with poorly designed games, not defending them when they are on the wrong. That's why they got away with making mediocre games, because the are people who are willing to defend poor quality games. So, everyone who says that Bio's recent games have been good is simply lying? Is this how you react to everyone in the world who has a different opinion from yours? Or is this just a gaming thing?
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 24, 2018 3:50:16 GMT
You gotta love how people defended BioWare's bullshit, and bashing a video game developer who actually gives a shit about their games. Real fans should hold developers accountable when they fuck people over with poorly designed games, not defending them when they are on the wrong. That's why they got away with making mediocre games, because the are people who are willing to defend poor quality games. So, everyone who says that Bio's recent games have been good is simply lying? Is this how you react to everyone in the world who has a different opinion from yours? Or is this just a gaming thing? No one is saying people shouldn't disagree but holding the devs accountable when they constantly fucking up. And if my comment does not apply to you or to anyone why do you even care what I've said?
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 24, 2018 4:01:39 GMT
So, everyone who says that Bio's recent games have been good is simply lying? Is this how you react to everyone in the world who has a different opinion from yours? Or is this just a gaming thing? No one is saying people shouldn't disagree but holding the devs accountable when they constantly fucking up. And if my comment does not apply to you or to anyone why do you even care what I've said? Then who should the developers be accountable to? I have seen plenty of people that seem positive towards Andromeda and others that make it sound like it was the worst video game ever made. There is no way BioWare can account for all those opinions because after seeing a lot of them they are on the polar opposite of the same opinion such as staying open world and then removing open world all together. Voicing that you don't like the direction or what you don't like about the game is just fine and if that is what you meant to be accountable I will stand corrected. Expecting them to make changes based on what you were talking about if its not a universal problem I don't see how realistic that is for it seems there are a million different opinions on the problems with Andromeda and how severe each of them were. That is the biggest problem I see with BioWare as a developer is they try to give everything to everyone and destroy the product due to it. Just like with Inquisition when one of the developers said you could play the game in 20 hours if you want or 100 hours the choice is yours. The problem with that approach is that there is 80 hours of filler that won't be important to the story because it was designed to be completely optional.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 24, 2018 21:13:11 GMT
Why? Because their games while good are dark adult fantasy. I don't want ME turning into that. alright fair enough. If you personally don't like the direction they took with the Witcher and Cyberpunk then that's fine. Personally I would love that in DA or ME. CDPR have also proven to me that they are far more competent than Bioware. That's because CDPR has passion and ambition that made the Witcher series great games. If only BioWare has the same drive, then Mass Effect would never been mediocre and poorly written by incompetent developers and writers.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 24, 2018 21:33:20 GMT
alright fair enough. If you personally don't like the direction they took with the Witcher and Cyberpunk then that's fine. Personally I would love that in DA or ME. CDPR have also proven to me that they are far more competent than Bioware. That's because CDPR has passion and ambition that made the Witcher series great games. If only BioWare has the same drive, then Mass Effect would never been mediocre and poorly written by incompetent developers and writers.
If by well-written you mean a PC that was so wooden and stiff he could have been swapped out for a log by CDPR and it would have been better design. The Witcher games are basically a poor man's version of Game of Thrones and not even good at that. Hell Skyrim has a pair of main quests that is far more engaging and with intriguing questions that are left up to the player to decide than "I'll pay you gold to kill this monster." which is all The Witcher 2 does and it's controls, combat, and gameplay was 100% trash. That game pretty much killed any hope that I had for The Witcher series as a whole and the piss poor marketing of Cyberpunk 2077 has killed any interest I might have had for CDPR.
They get by on extreme over-hype and releasing games with pretty graphics and not much else.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 24, 2018 23:58:09 GMT
That's because CDPR has passion and ambition that made the Witcher series great games. If only BioWare has the same drive, then Mass Effect would never been mediocre and poorly written by incompetent developers and writers.
If by well-written you mean a PC that was so wooden and stiff he could have been swapped out for a log by CDPR and it would have been better design. The Witcher games are basically a poor man's version of Game of Thrones and not even good at that. Hell Skyrim has a pair of main quests that is far more engaging and with intriguing questions that are left up to the player to decide than "I'll pay you gold to kill this monster." which is all The Witcher 2 does and it's controls, combat, and gameplay was 100% trash. That game pretty much killed any hope that I had for The Witcher series as a whole and the piss poor marketing of Cyberpunk 2077 has killed any interest I might have had for CDPR.
They get by on extreme over-hype and releasing games with pretty graphics and not much else.
Dude, it's just an opinion. No need to get in your feelings about it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 25, 2018 2:57:05 GMT
alright fair enough. If you personally don't like the direction they took with the Witcher and Cyberpunk then that's fine. Personally I would love that in DA or ME. CDPR have also proven to me that they are far more competent than Bioware. That's because CDPR has passion and ambition that made the Witcher series great games. If only BioWare has the same drive, then Mass Effect would never been mediocre and poorly written by incompetent developers and writers. CDPR has three published games, all of which are in the Witcher series. They don't have a real track record. BW has been making games since 1995 and it wasn't until 2012 that the complaints rolled in. Even if Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be a fantastic game (and I hope it is because I'm looking forward to it), it still doesn't have the history of game publication to match BW. And then there's the fact that the Witcher games were built around a series of books. BW games were built from the ground up.
It's good that you like CDPR. Why shouldn't you, especially if the style of storytelling appeals to you? Let's see where CDPR goes when they have to wholesale create the world of their stories.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 25, 2018 20:15:05 GMT
That's because CDPR has passion and ambition that made the Witcher series great games. If only BioWare has the same drive, then Mass Effect would never been mediocre and poorly written by incompetent developers and writers. CDPR has three published games, all of which are in the Witcher series. They don't have a real track record. BW has been making games since 1995 and it wasn't until 2012 that the complaints rolled in. Even if Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be a fantastic game (and I hope it is because I'm looking forward to it), it still doesn't have the history of game publication to match BW. And then there's the fact that the Witcher games were built around a series of books. BW games were built from the ground up.
It's good that you like CDPR. Why shouldn't you, especially if the style of storytelling appeals to you? Let's see where CDPR goes when they have to wholesale create the world of their stories.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 25, 2018 20:23:27 GMT
No one is saying people shouldn't disagree but holding the devs accountable when they constantly fucking up. And if my comment does not apply to you or to anyone why do you even care what I've said? Then who should the developers be accountable to? I have seen plenty of people that seem positive towards Andromeda and others that make it sound like it was the worst video game ever made. There is no way BioWare can account for all those opinions because after seeing a lot of them they are on the polar opposite of the same opinion such as staying open world and then removing open world all together. Voicing that you don't like the direction or what you don't like about the game is just fine and if that is what you meant to be accountable I will stand corrected. Expecting them to make changes based on what you were talking about if its not a universal problem I don't see how realistic that is for it seems there are a million different opinions on the problems with Andromeda and how severe each of them were. That is the biggest problem I see with BioWare as a developer is they try to give everything to everyone and destroy the product due to it. Just like with Inquisition when one of the developers said you could play the game in 20 hours if you want or 100 hours the choice is yours. The problem with that approach is that there is 80 hours of filler that won't be important to the story because it was designed to be completely optional. strongstylefiction.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/mass-effect-3-artistic-integrity-is-bullshit/kotaku.com/the-story-behind-mass-effect-andromedas-troubled-five-1795886428www.kotaku.com.au/2017/06/a-lot-of-bioware-fans-are-pissed-at-anthem/comment-page-2/Yeah, you were saying?
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 25, 2018 20:48:03 GMT
CDPR has three published games, all of which are in the Witcher series. They don't have a real track record. BW has been making games since 1995 and it wasn't until 2012 that the complaints rolled in. Even if Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be a fantastic game (and I hope it is because I'm looking forward to it), it still doesn't have the history of game publication to match BW. And then there's the fact that the Witcher games were built around a series of books. BW games were built from the ground up.
It's good that you like CDPR. Why shouldn't you, especially if the style of storytelling appeals to you? Let's see where CDPR goes when they have to wholesale create the world of their stories.
At the point when BW had produced three games, they were all quality. Get back to me when CDPR has churned out a number of games. You can ignore that BW was great for a long time if you want. CDPR hasn't proven itself yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 21:12:20 GMT
At the point when BW had produced three games, they were all quality. Get back to me when CDPR has churned out a number of games. You can ignore that BW was great for a long time if you want. CDPR hasn't proven itself yet. Keyword "was"... ...You said it, not me!
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 25, 2018 21:19:21 GMT
Then who should the developers be accountable to? I have seen plenty of people that seem positive towards Andromeda and others that make it sound like it was the worst video game ever made. There is no way BioWare can account for all those opinions because after seeing a lot of them they are on the polar opposite of the same opinion such as staying open world and then removing open world all together. Voicing that you don't like the direction or what you don't like about the game is just fine and if that is what you meant to be accountable I will stand corrected. Expecting them to make changes based on what you were talking about if its not a universal problem I don't see how realistic that is for it seems there are a million different opinions on the problems with Andromeda and how severe each of them were. That is the biggest problem I see with BioWare as a developer is they try to give everything to everyone and destroy the product due to it. Just like with Inquisition when one of the developers said you could play the game in 20 hours if you want or 100 hours the choice is yours. The problem with that approach is that there is 80 hours of filler that won't be important to the story because it was designed to be completely optional. strongstylefiction.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/mass-effect-3-artistic-integrity-is-bullshit/kotaku.com/the-story-behind-mass-effect-andromedas-troubled-five-1795886428www.kotaku.com.au/2017/06/a-lot-of-bioware-fans-are-pissed-at-anthem/comment-page-2/Yeah, you were saying? I am saying the internet doesn't always give a true representation of how people are feeling towards a product.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 25, 2018 21:21:46 GMT
CDPR has three published games, all of which are in the Witcher series. They don't have a real track record. BW has been making games since 1995 and it wasn't until 2012 that the complaints rolled in. Even if Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be a fantastic game (and I hope it is because I'm looking forward to it), it still doesn't have the history of game publication to match BW. And then there's the fact that the Witcher games were built around a series of books. BW games were built from the ground up.
It's good that you like CDPR. Why shouldn't you, especially if the style of storytelling appeals to you? Let's see where CDPR goes when they have to wholesale create the world of their stories.
Let me know when CDPR has either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 21:22:06 GMT
I am saying the internet doesn't always give a true representation of how people are feeling towards a product. But sales numbers do, more specifically when a game goes on sale after its release. Andromeda got put on a deep deep sale soon after its release just like Fallout 76 has. It's a very telling trend...
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Post by Obadiah on Nov 25, 2018 22:17:01 GMT
I am saying the internet doesn't always give a true representation of how people are feeling towards a product. That's for sure. Everything on the internet seems exaggerated x10. Didn't really like the ME3 ending? - "OMG, it's the worst thing in the world and needs to be redone!" lol.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 25, 2018 22:36:52 GMT
I am saying the internet doesn't always give a true representation of how people are feeling towards a product. But sales numbers do, more specifically when a game goes on sale after its release. Andromeda got put on a deep deep sale soon after its release just like Fallout 76 has. It's a very telling trend... Context is important too and we don't have any for those sales aside from the sales themselves. I remember with Mass Effect 3 how people were proclaiming how badly it did because of the sales on the game shortly after its release too. The only deep sales I saw for Andromeda was on Origin and another reason might be that they didn't sell as many as hoped on the PC because people moved to consoles to play the MP aspect with friends.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 25, 2018 22:59:14 GMT
Sales don’t tell you what people who bought the game thought of it. It’s more a comment on marketing than the game given how lopsided sales are for games at launch. There are frequently tons of vocal haters who never bought the game. Fallout 76 good/bad indifferent it had tons of hate about how it was terrible before it launched from fans who were butt hurt it was mp. Anthem has a similar hurdle. The fans of BioWare have a large single player only base. The hate spewed now will only increase at launch and much from people who didn’t play it. Andromeda how much hate did it get from people who only watched stuff on YouTube. Amazon at least has a confirmed purchaser notice in its reviews. Forums, news site comment sections don’t.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 25, 2018 23:05:22 GMT
No edit option on Tapatalk as far as I can tell so I’ll just add here. Sales don’t tell you the whys or if people liked the gags once they played it. But they tell the company something has to change and then they fumble around trying to figure out what it is that needs change. Frequently getting it wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 23:51:16 GMT
But sales numbers do, more specifically when a game goes on sale after its release. Andromeda got put on a deep deep sale soon after its release just like Fallout 76 has. It's a very telling trend... Context is important too and we don't have any for those sales aside from the sales themselves. I remember with Mass Effect 3 how people were proclaiming how badly it did because of the sales on the game shortly after its release too. The only deep sales I saw for Andromeda was on Origin and another reason might be that they didn't sell as many as hoped on the PC because people moved to consoles to play the MP aspect with friends. I bought it on Pc but also have a PS4 Pro and the sales came across on both. The only one I don't know for sure is Xbox but if it goes on sale for Pc and the ps4 I'm pretty sure it would have went on sale for the xbox also.
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Post by 10k on Nov 26, 2018 0:13:47 GMT
I bought it on Pc but also have a PS4 Pro and the sales came across on both. The only one I don't know for sure is Xbox but if it goes on sale for Pc and the ps4 I'm pretty sure it would have went on sale for the xbox also. I played Andromeda on PS4 bought it day one 70 bucks for deluxe edition, within 4 or 5 months it was on sell, going for 20 bucks. I was pissed.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 26, 2018 0:37:54 GMT
At the point when BW had produced three games, they were all quality. Get back to me when CDPR has churned out a number of games. You can ignore that BW was great for a long time if you want. CDPR hasn't proven itself yet. Keyword "was"... ...You said it, not me! It's got issues, sure, mostly (IMO) after EA took control. It's not what it was in it's best years but I don't think it's bad. I liked ME3 and I liked MEA. Both have their flaws but I challenge you to find one that doesn't. Tbh, I wasn't enthralled with the Witcher series. I preferred BW.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 26, 2018 0:39:28 GMT
Keyword "was"... ...You said it, not me! It's got issues, sure, mostly (IMO) after EA took control. It's not what it was in it's best years but I don't think it's bad. I liked ME3 and I liked MEA. Both have their flaws but I challenge you to find one that doesn't. Tbh, I wasn't enthralled with the Witcher series. I preferred BW. Out of curiosity, when would you say was their best years?
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