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Post by alanc9 on Oct 31, 2018 1:11:13 GMT
The kid still barely answers any of your questions and he doesnt even give a reason for why he can;t answer more. he simply says "there isn't enough time to explain" when in reality you have all the time in the world. Remember he basically controls the reapers and there are none even trying to attack you so why the hell he can't explain himself more. What questions did you still have for it?
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Post by themikefest on Oct 31, 2018 2:35:52 GMT
Questions for Leviathan Jr? You say you preserve organics in reaper form before they're lost to this conflict yet the reapers are put in harm's way. Would it be safe to say, when a reaper is destroyed, your solution failed? The other thing is how do you preserve organics if they're vaporized like the one's in London by Harbinger's beam of doom? Why are you taking the form of a human child? You say there's not enough time to explain the crucible. Are you in a hurry to get to your next wipeout this species party? Did you know about the prothean scientists alternating the signal after the reapers went back to darkspace? You did say the Citadel is a part of you. What was the purpose of the proto reaper? You had the reapers build the Citadel? Did you also instruct them to build the platform that lifted me up to this location? If so, did you foresee, at that time, that an organic, me, would pass out on the platform to lift me up here? I just saw a vision of a guy shooting the tube while walking towards it. Would I still be able to destroy the reapers if I shot the tube from here? You say that synthesis can't be forced yet if I choose it, I will be the one forcing it. Does that mean you're wrong? You say synthesis is the final evolution of all life. How do you know that? Did the crucible tell you to say that?
If I were to choose synthesis, would the same result happen if I added a couple drops of blood instead of adding me? Would a few strands of hair work? What about a urine sample? Or better yet, I go back down to where Anderson is to throw his body in the beam. If not his, take one of the many bodies I passed by on my way to the console.
What if I call the edibot on my ship to pick control? That would work, right? Maybe I'll call Steve to bring the shuttle here to pick me up then fire at the tube. That would be better than walking towards the tube while shooting it. What do you think? That would be better, right?
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Post by Iakus on Oct 31, 2018 15:16:30 GMT
If I were to choose synthesis, would the same result happen if I added a couple drops of blood instead of adding me? Would a few strands of hair work? What about a urine sample? Or better yet, I go back down to where Anderson is to throw his body in the beam. If not his, take one of the many bodies I passed by on my way to the console.
"I've also got this recently deceased guy downstairs who also has Reaper implants in him. Could I toss him in instead? Does he have the magic-space-Jesus speshulness to make Synthesis happen? He's human too, after all"
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Post by michaeln7 on Nov 1, 2018 13:30:42 GMT
Soooo...
Can I drive around Meridian? Can I visit Ryder-1?
Can I have an epic team-up with my sister Sara and continue to drive the Kett out of Heleus?
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 1, 2018 19:34:02 GMT
I just saw a vision of a guy shooting the tube while walking towards it. Would I still be able to destroy the reapers if I shot the tube from here?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 1, 2018 20:59:14 GMT
You say you preserve organics in reaper form before they're lost to this conflict yet the reapers are put in harm's way. Would it be safe to say, when a reaper is destroyed, your solution failed? The other thing is how do you preserve organics if they're vaporized like the one's in London by Harbinger's beam of doom? Counter question. If someone broke into your house and your father died to protect you, your mother and any siblings you have would it also be considered a failure? Was his plan to keep his family alive a failure because he died while you and the others lived? I mean you and any siblings have the chance to grow up, get married and have your own kids. But because he died everything was a failure right? How could we have preserved life while fighting in WW2 actively killing people? Why are you taking the form of a human child? Non threatening form to prevent or reduce any unnecessary aggression while the Catalyst talked to Shepard. Honestly you are not the first one to ask this and people still bitch about it. But every time I ask the form the Catalyst should have shown up in (given it lacks a physical form) that is generally when they stop replying or shift the discussion to something else. You say there's not enough time to explain the crucible. Are you in a hurry to get to your next wipeout this species party? Shepard was also dying at the time. Hence why the breath scene is so stupid to happen. Did you know about the prothean scientists alternating the signal after the reapers went back to darkspace? You did say the Citadel is a part of you. Ultimately doesn't matter because the Reapers are the tools created to carry out the solution. Much in the same way a CEO of a company doesn't have to know and tell store level manages how to deal with every issue that happens at their store. What was the purpose of the proto reaper? To build the Reaper for this cycle.....thought that was obvious. You had the reapers build the Citadel? Did you also instruct them to build the platform that lifted me up to this location? If so, did you foresee, at that time, that an organic, me, would pass out on the platform to lift me up here? Keepers need access for maintenance. I just saw a vision of a guy shooting the tube while walking towards it. Would I still be able to destroy the reapers if I shot the tube from here? Either way you are standing in an area that will be engulfed in a massive energy surge so your dead either way. You say that synthesis can't be forced yet if I choose it, I will be the one forcing it. Does that mean you're wrong? Because you aren't forcing it. When the Reapers force a form of synthesis onto their captured targets they are stripped of their individuality. They become mindless beings if not completely liquefied and their consciousness stored in the Reaper body. After synthesis Bob is still Bob. He still has his own identity, opinions and personality quirks. You say synthesis is the final evolution of all life. How do you know that? Did the crucible tell you to say that? Because that is what we create technology for. To compensate for our surroundings or own physical and evolutionary limitations. We invent the spear because we aren't strong enough to punch everything to death. We invent paper to help us keep track of and spread information better. We invent the internet because we can't show someone paper when they are hundreds of miles away. We invent smart phones to allow us to communicate and access the internet on the go. We can't remember everything so we have a small pocket size device that allows us to connect to the internet with the nearly vast stores of knowledge that can be pulled up in a few button presses. The natural end result would be to eventually fuse technology with ourselves to improve ourselves and over come out evolutionary limitations. If I were to choose synthesis, would the same result happen if I added a couple drops of blood instead of adding me? Would a few strands of hair work? What about a urine sample? Or better yet, I go back down to where Anderson is to throw his body in the beam. If not his, take one of the many bodies I passed by on my way to the console. Anderson is dead and wasn't the variable that shifted the solution to need a new path. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InspirationalMartyr and tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroicSacrifice. Both are pretty common narrative traits in stories. Shepard was going to die because it was the most effective way to end his story and prevent one from being viewed as better then the others because he lives...right up until that breath scene. Though at least it is vague and not directly stated in game he survives What if I call the edibot on my ship to pick control? That would work, right? Maybe I'll call Steve to bring the shuttle here to pick me up then fire at the tube. That would be better than walking towards the tube while shooting it. What do you think? That would be better, right? Pretty sure if Shepard doesn't know were they are they won't be able to help. Combine that with the fact the Reapers are still devastating the galaxy because up until the choice is made they still have to operate under the assumption that the old plan is still in effect. Combine that with the fact in the 2,000 or so years since the Asari first landed on the Citadel they haven't found that location or spoken of it. Pretty safe to say there would be no way for Shepard to radio for EDI. Also again firing at the tube point blank or shooting at it across the room Shepard would still be point blank range of a massive energy surge. This is at best splitting hairs simply to find something to complain about. Like complaining about why a guy didn't run away from a nuclear explosion when he had 2 minutes. Because even if he did the explosion radius is so large he would be killed anyways so staying there can be used to squeeze a little more drama out of the situation. Which at this point it is used for the flash backs to add more emotional drama to the whole situation. Also again Shepard is pretty clearly dying so best to make sure the Reapers are destroyed before their death then mess it up.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 2, 2018 3:28:13 GMT
My fault for asking an oversimplified question above. It's not really useful to think about questions whose main purpose is to criticize or subvert the narrative. There's no universe where the EC could have had Shepard ask those questions.
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Post by mugwump on Nov 2, 2018 7:14:37 GMT
My fault for asking an oversimplifiespd question above. It's not really useful to think about questions whose main purpose is to criticise or subvert the narrative. There's no universe where the EC could have had Shepard ask those questions. Given that the quality of the narrative fell off a cliff at the very last, the game makes it super easy to conceive of questions that either criticise or subvert it.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 2, 2018 21:19:20 GMT
Sure, but we were discussing what the EC did and what it failed to do, and the specific content of the final Catalyst conversation.. In a universe where those questions could be addressed, the EC wouldn't exist in the first place, and the presentation of the final choices would have been different enough that nothing we're talking about would be relevant.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 2, 2018 22:43:44 GMT
My fault for asking an oversimplifiespd question above. It's not really useful to think about questions whose main purpose is to criticise or subvert the narrative. There's no universe where the EC could have had Shepard ask those questions. Given that the quality of the narrative fell off a cliff at the very last, the game makes it super easy to conceive of questions that either criticise or subvert it. Not by much. It is noticeable they were ruining out of time and money near the end of the game but the narrative kept up fairly well even under the obvious rushed conditions. Which to be fair because of ME 2 it fell on the shoulders of ME 3 to basically be one an half games within it self. So they kind of fucked themselves with 2 and should have been treated as a side game with literally anyone but Shepard in the lead role as a stop gap till the real ME 2 came out. Much in the way Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories was a side game with supplementary story to the actual game Kingdom Hearts 2.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 6, 2018 14:13:37 GMT
Umm no it isn't. You honestly do not seem to understand what people mean when they say that. It's a known fact that most choices in the ME games have little to no impact on the plot. It doesn't matter what squadmates you keep alive, or what races you recruit, or killing the council, etc. The plot of the game always progresses the same way with basically the outcome. Even on a cosmetic level anything barely changes. For instance, If you kill the council a new, identical looking council takes their place. You might expect too much from "choices" spanning over three entire games. The amount of different storylines is just not economically feasible to create. That sounds like a bunch of sorry ass excuses. If other devs have done it then BW can do the same thing if they weren't so lazy about it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 6, 2018 15:03:39 GMT
You might expect too much from "choices" spanning over three entire games. The amount of different storylines is just not economically feasible to create. That sounds like a bunch of sorry ass excuses. If other devs have done it then BW can do the same thing if they weren't so lazy about it. What other devs have done it?
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 6, 2018 17:56:00 GMT
That sounds like a bunch of sorry ass excuses. If other devs have done it then BW can do the same thing if they weren't so lazy about it. What other devs have done it? Really!?! I mean...really? Is that a rhetorical question that's leading up to an asinine retort? If you don't know which developers employ choice driven stories, why are you posting here? Are you really a gamer or are you just trolling? Either way, the conversation is going nowhere fast. Do your research and get back with me. Until then sayonara, Grasshopper.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 6, 2018 17:59:18 GMT
What other devs have done it? Really!?! I mean...really? Is that a rhetorical question that's leading up to an asinine retort? If you don't know which developers employ choice driven stories, why are you posting here? Are you really a gamer or are you just trolling? Either way, the conversation is going nowhere fast. Do your research and get back with me. Until then saynora, Grasshopper. No need for personal attacks. I know devs have had choices in the game, but the question was which devs have had that apply to a whole trilogy. Most games that use choice tend to make a canon or ignore those choices in the sequels.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 6, 2018 18:07:06 GMT
Really!?! I mean...really? Is that a rhetorical question that's leading up to an asinine retort? If you don't know which developers employ choice driven stories, why are you posting here? Are you really a gamer or are you just trolling? Either way, the conversation is going nowhere fast. Do your research and get back with me. Until then saynora, Grasshopper. No need for personal attacks. I know devs have had choices in the game, but the question was which devs have had that apply to a whole trilogy. Most games that use choice tend to make a canon or ignore those choices in the sequels. I didn't say anything about you personally but that is a rhetorical question. Soo.....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 6, 2018 18:25:37 GMT
No need for personal attacks. I know devs have had choices in the game, but the question was which devs have had that apply to a whole trilogy. Most games that use choice tend to make a canon or ignore those choices in the sequels. I didn't say anything about you personally but that is a rhetorical question. Soo..... So you have no answer. Thought not.
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Post by samhain444 on Nov 6, 2018 19:06:13 GMT
I didn't say anything about you personally but that is a rhetorical question. Soo..... So you have no answer. Thought not. Yeah, consider the source... "Other devs have done it!" "Yeah, who?" "Others, pfft, don't you know? You must not be a REAL gamer" "So you don't know..." "Pfft, the answer is so obvious...it's "others"...come on. Keep up"
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 6, 2018 21:48:06 GMT
What other devs have done it? Really!?! I mean...really? Is that a rhetorical question that's leading up to an asinine retort? If you don't know which developers employ choice driven stories, why are you posting here? Are you really a gamer or are you just trolling? Either way, the conversation is going nowhere fast. Do your research and get back with me. Until then sayonara, Grasshopper. Yeah, dude, they've called you on it. This sort of vague nonsense doesn't usually work with anyone who doesn't already agree with you. Time to actually put up some evidence.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 6, 2018 22:04:15 GMT
What other devs have done it? *snip * the conversation is going nowhere fast. * You're correct about that, at least. Do not attempt to bait other users with aggressive posts.
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Post by Ser_PJ on Nov 6, 2018 23:40:02 GMT
I liked the witcher series but they're a really bad example of choices mattering in sequels. 1.) Iorveth and Saskia are ignored in witcher 3, and Vernon's relationship with me wasnt really affected by me abadoning him in the previous game. 2.) Triss was fine despite despite me ignoring her to save saskia 3.) Sile De Tansarville had like 3 lines in witcher 3
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 10, 2018 6:40:54 GMT
No it won't. Its re treading old territory. Yeah, the Original Trilogy is done and BioWare didn't leave an obvious path to continue for a reason...they were done as well. "Andromeda" is the way forward for the series. If BioWare were smart they would never create a sequel for Andromeda.
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Post by Serza on Nov 10, 2018 8:14:25 GMT
You could, in the same spirit, say that if CDPR were smart, choices in the Witcher would actually change something between the games.
As it is right now, BioWare has a much better record of that... But y'know. Just two cents.
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Post by samhain444 on Nov 13, 2018 20:47:22 GMT
Yeah, the Original Trilogy is done and BioWare didn't leave an obvious path to continue for a reason...they were done as well. "Andromeda" is the way forward for the series. If BioWare were smart they would never create a sequel for Andromeda. (Yaaawwwnnnnn) Um, yeah, thanks for the input
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 17, 2018 1:24:09 GMT
Even if, for some stupid reason, they don't do an MEA2, I think returning to the MW is a bad idea. It would only work if they scrapped EVERYTHING about the MW. Sure, keep the existing races, but drop everything about the Citadel, the Reapers, the relays, the Collectors...it's all got to go. Otherwise we're stuff with comparisons and not being able to live up to the MET. Because it won't live up to the MET. I honestly believe that had this same story taken place in some ass backward part of the MW that had no relays, we'd still get the same complaints. Then the complainers would have to come up with something other than "we need to be in the MW". That does not make sense. Why BioWare should scrap the Trilogy, because of it's inconsistent story and focus on Andromeda? (which it will backfire) If anything they should create a remake to fix errors and the ending for a sequel to take place.
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