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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 18, 2018 19:45:41 GMT
ew.com/tv/2018/09/18/avatar-the-last-airbender-series-live-action-netflix/Netflix just announced that they are making a live-action "reimagining" of Avatar: The Last Airbender. Original series creators Michael DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko will serve as the series show-runners and executive producers. My reaction to this news is mixed leaning towards cautious optimism. On the one hand, I don't feel that Avatar: The Last Airbender was one of those shows that could be "reimagined," let alone in live-action. Plus, the last time the show was made into live-action, it was the abysmal Last Airbender movie by M. Night Shymalan. Then again, the fact that the original show creators are going to be heavily involved this time is reassuring. Plus the show-creators even stated that they want "a culturally appropriate, non-whitewashed cast." So that's a good sign. You guys can use this thread to talk about the new Netflix show, the original show, The Legend of Korra, or anything else from people associated with Avatar: The Last Airbender (like Netflix's The Dragon Prince or Voltron: Legendary Defender)
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Sept 19, 2018 3:22:28 GMT
I'll reserve judgment for when I actually see it but I don't have my hopes up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 3:24:04 GMT
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 19, 2018 12:48:16 GMT
"It’s a once-in-a-lifetime chance to build upon everyone’s great work on the original animated series and go even deeper into the characters, story, action, and world-building."
This part of Bryan and Micheal's statement is interesting. While obviously they wouldn't be able to recapture some of the moments that could only be presented in the original shows unique animation style (I doubt we're going to see Appa and Momo fight in Samurai gear or several of Sokka's hilarious facial expressions), it feels like the creators want to use the opportunity to add more detail to their world, maybe provide additional backstories or use variations of plot points they weren't able to use in the original.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 29, 2018 15:19:30 GMT
I don't think it's gonna be great like the series was, we know how that goes with any live action adaptation but i'll wait and see...
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Post by Sifr on Sept 29, 2018 16:05:56 GMT
"It’s a once-in-a-lifetime chance to build upon everyone’s great work on the original animated series and go even deeper into the characters, story, action, and world-building." This part of Bryan and Micheal's statement is interesting. While obviously they wouldn't be able to recapture some of the moments that could only be presented in the original shows unique animation style (I doubt we're going to see Appa and Momo fight in Samurai gear or several of Sokka's hilarious facial expressions), it feels like the creators want to use the opportunity to add more detail to their world, maybe provide additional backstories or use variations of plot points they weren't able to use in the original.I dunno, the last time they did this they ended up retconning/demystifying the origins of the Avatar. Rather than the spirit of the planet itself, born out of the elements, the Avatar turned out to be nothing more than a human and fusion doing a fusion-dance.
(I'm not bashing Korra for introducing this into the lore, only that I'm not a fan of this particular retcon)
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 29, 2018 16:07:14 GMT
I mean, I’ll watch it, but I would have preferred a new story.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 29, 2018 16:18:41 GMT
Eh, can't be worse than the live action movie. Or Korra.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 30, 2018 14:41:04 GMT
Eh, can't be worse than the live action movie. Or Korra. The Last Airbender I get. Aside from being a very bad adaptation of the source material, it's also a bad movie in general. But Korra? I may get that some of the lore introduced may not be exactly welcomed by a lot of diehard fans, but I didn't think the show itself was bad. It had nice animation, likable characters, a good dose of humor, and some of the storylines were pretty awesome.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 30, 2018 15:03:25 GMT
Eh, can't be worse than the live action movie. Or Korra. The Last Airbender I get. Aside from being a very bad adaptation of the source material, it's also a bad movie in general. But Korra? I may get that some of the lore introduced may not be exactly welcomed by a lot of diehard fans, but I didn't think the show itself was bad. It had nice animation, likable characters, a good dose of humor, and some of the storylines were pretty awesome. The Korra series had potential, I grant you that. It did do some things good, but it did more things that weren't. The main culprit for this I think is the weird production, where it was only approved one season at a time instead of all four seasons at once causing there to not be a very cohesive story. The other big problem was Korra herself. Worst. Avatar. Ever.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 1, 2018 14:05:22 GMT
The other big problem was Korra herself. Worst. Avatar. Ever. I thought Korra's character was handled relatively okay. Not the best character, I grant you that. But not horrible either. I thought her character progression in Season 4, where she starts off both physically and mentally broken before learning to put trust in her friends and family to overcome her struggles were actually her best moments in the show.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 1, 2018 15:43:13 GMT
The other big problem was Korra herself. Worst. Avatar. Ever. I honestly sometimes think the Red Lotus were right, that the world might be better off without the Avatar (or their dependency on them).
Not only is the Avatar often afforded special treatment and reverence through sheer happenstance of birth, but it often seems that the existence of the Avatar more often than not has contributed negatively to the world, due to their tendency to make unilateral decisions that fundamentally change the world or societies forever.
Like Wan deciding to separate the spirit and physical world, Kyoshi creating a militant secret police that still terrorise people centuries on, Roku's inaction allowed Sozin to continue warmongering (culminating in the eventual genocide of the Air Nomads), Aang running from the call (and sleeping through the apocalypse) meant the Fire Nation went unchecked for a century... and Korra decision to open the spirit portals again (while a return to how things originally were), caused no amount of chaos as the two worlds began to interact once more.
(Also I think Wan was probably a far worse Avatar than Korra, in terms of making rash, reckless decisions that came back to bite him.)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 10, 2018 19:21:07 GMT
I loved the Last Airbender series, Sokka was one of my favorite characters and I really felt sorry for Azula at the end of the series...she just needed a hug! ...though I suspect she'd have fried me alive if I had tried I watched Korra up to...I think halfway season 3...got so annoyed with Korra herself I stopped watching
know what would've been better then Korra? (at least imo)... this > Seeing the gang as older teens/adults would've made for a very interesting series...and have you seen Zuko? Hotman indeed
But to the topic at hand...I'm interested in seeing this new re-imagined series, I did see that movie with the blue guys who took back their pla-...oh wrong franchise? never saw the movie, and thank god for that
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Oct 11, 2018 16:41:26 GMT
The other big problem was Korra herself. Worst. Avatar. Ever. I honestly sometimes think the Red Lotus were right, that the world might be better off without the Avatar (or their dependency on them).
Not only is the Avatar often afforded special treatment and reverence through sheer happenstance of birth, but it often seems that the existence of the Avatar more often than not has contributed negatively to the world, due to their tendency to make unilateral decisions that fundamentally change the world or societies forever.
Like Wan deciding to separate the spirit and physical world, Kyoshi creating a militant secret police that still terrorise people centuries on, Roku's inaction allowed Sozin to continue warmongering (culminating in the eventual genocide of the Air Nomads), Aang running from the call (and sleeping through the apocalypse) meant the Fire Nation went unchecked for a century... and Korra decision to open the spirit portals again (while a return to how things originally were), caused no amount of chaos as the two worlds began to interact once more.
(Also I think Wan was probably a far worse Avatar than Korra, in terms of making rash, reckless decisions that came back to bite him.)
I vehemently disagree. The Avatar is an eternal force of good in the world. A powerful benevolent force that always stands against evil. How can this ever be a bad thing? Avatar Wan made the right decision. If it wasn't for the benevolent protection of the giant lion turtle spirits, humanity would have been wiped out by the other ambivalent and malevolent spirits. Many spirits like the Face Stealer are simply too dangerous to coexist with. The corruption of the Dai Li is not the fault of Avatar Kyoshi. Human fallibility is the culprit there. Without her guidance they lost their way. Avatar Roku was the one reason why Firelord Sozen never conquered the world as a younger man. After Roku's death and the disappearance of his young successor Aang, nothing stood in Sozen's way. Avatar Korra I have no defense for. Her foolishness lead to the release of the primordial evil spirit Vaatu and the loss of connection to all past Avatars. Unforgivable. Without the Avatar, no one would have stood against Darth Kuvira, Amon and his ninja army, Phoenix Lord Ozai, Fire Lord Sozen, Chin The Conqueror, and many others.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 12, 2018 0:57:10 GMT
The Avatar is an eternal force of good in the world. A powerful benevolent force that always stands against evil. How can this ever be a bad thing? Because this effectively creates a dependency on the Avatar to always be around to solve people's problems, rather than have people try and solve their problems by themselves. While Aang galvanised the people and gave them hope again, what was stopping anyone else from trying to unite the various kingdoms to strike back against the Fire Nation? Why did that person need to be the Avatar?
Even by Korra when the Avatar is less deified, their ability to affect change (whether by action or inaction) demonstrate how the world is still subject to their whim. Korra is repeatedly involved in political struggles and the consequences of her decisions have lead (indirectly or directly) to regime changes and power vacuums.
Another way to look at it as through the eyes of the common man. From their perspective, whatever side the Avatar picks in any conflict might appear to be the "correct" one, because why else would the Avatar align themselves with bad people or those not acting in everyone's best interests?
This status as the ultimate good also carries with it the potential to breed the mindset that they alone are capable of fixing the world, as well as every decision they make being the right/good one, because they are the one that is doing it. Korra's stubbornness and recklessness is often a result of her conviction that she's always in the right, for no other reason than because she's the Avatar. There is nothing wrong with admiring the Avatar for their heroism... but the problem is that over the millennia it has become twisted into devotion and worship. By virtue of being placed on a pedestal by their followers, is it any wonder that several Avatars we've seen ended up being arrogant, having bought a little too much into their own press?
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Oct 12, 2018 21:40:18 GMT
The Avatar is an eternal force of good in the world. A powerful benevolent force that always stands against evil. How can this ever be a bad thing? Because this effectively creates a dependency on the Avatar to always be around to solve people's problems, rather than have people try and solve their problems by themselves. While Aang galvanised the people and gave them hope again, what was stopping anyone else from trying to unite the various kingdoms to strike back against the Fire Nation? Why did that person need to be the Avatar?
Even by Korra when the Avatar is less deified, their ability to affect change (whether by action or inaction) demonstrate how the world is still subject to their whim. Korra is repeatedly involved in political struggles and the consequences of her decisions have lead (indirectly or directly) to regime changes and power vacuums.
Another way to look at it as through the eyes of the common man. From their perspective, whatever side the Avatar picks in any conflict might appear to be the "correct" one, because why else would the Avatar align themselves with bad people or those not acting in everyone's best interests?
This status as the ultimate good also carries with it the potential to breed the mindset that they alone are capable of fixing the world, as well as every decision they make being the right/good one, because they are the one that is doing it. Korra's stubbornness and recklessness is often a result of her conviction that she's always in the right, for no other reason than because she's the Avatar. There is nothing wrong with admiring the Avatar for their heroism... but the problem is that over the millennia it has become twisted into devotion and worship. By virtue of being placed on a pedestal by their followers, is it any wonder that several Avatars we've seen ended up being arrogant, having bought a little too much into their own press?
I understand your perspective and I agree that the Avatar is human and thus fallible but the world is still better off with the existence of this being than without.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 14, 2018 3:05:14 GMT
I understand your perspective and I agree that the Avatar is human and thus fallible but the world is still better off with the existence of this being than without. I agree that the negative impacts the Avatar has had on the world doesn't diminish the positive impact they've had. But still, the traditional acceptance of the Avatar's Word-As-Law and complete lack of any kind of oversight to keep them in check, makes the existence of the Avatar in their world as much of a liability as they are a boon.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Oct 16, 2018 10:29:31 GMT
I understand your perspective and I agree that the Avatar is human and thus fallible but the world is still better off with the existence of this being than without. I agree that the negative impacts the Avatar has had on the world doesn't diminish the positive impact they've had. But still, the traditional acceptance of the Avatar's Word-As-Law and complete lack of any kind of oversight to keep them in check, makes the existence of the Avatar in their world as much of a liability as they are a boon.
Doesn't the White Lotus help guide the Avatar and keep them in check so to speak? Plenty of people defy the Avatar regardless of tradition.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 19, 2018 3:09:49 GMT
Doesn't the White Lotus help guide the Avatar and keep them in check so to speak? Not by constantly enabling them. The White Lotus should being willing to challenge (or even stop) the Avatar, if it at all became necessary.
(It could be that this is part of their mandate, but if so, it rarely seems to be enforced.)
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Oct 19, 2018 17:29:04 GMT
Doesn't the White Lotus help guide the Avatar and keep them in check so to speak? Not by constantly enabling them. The White Lotus should being willing to challenge (or even stop) the Avatar, if it at all became necessary.
(It could be that this is part of their mandate, but if so, it rarely seems to be enforced.)
Imo the White Lotus kind of accidentally sabotaged her by keeping her from the world as they did. She didn't travel and grow as a person like Roku did when he was young. They thought they were protecting her but it seems they may have stunted her personal growth. Or maybe she's just a fucking knucklehead.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 20, 2018 3:17:33 GMT
Imo the White Lotus kind of accidentally sabotaged her by keeping her from the world as they did. She didn't travel and grow as a person like Roku did when he was young. They thought they were protecting her but it seems they may have stunted her personal growth. Or maybe she's just a fucking knucklehead. Why not both?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 8:38:28 GMT
I'm gonna go and say it, when I was younger I use to watch this show and it made me laugh besides myself.
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