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Post by LogicGunn on Oct 19, 2018 17:56:17 GMT
I liked Awakening...better then Dragon Age Origins base game. Much better story and much better antagonist(s)...even the gameplay wasn't as annoying for some odd reason. Legacy was a great bridge DLC between 2 and Inquisition. I don't mind that they decided that "we" did it even if it were offscreen, it really does not effect anything. I mean I suppose they could've decided that...no that wouldn't work either one of the Hawke's had to be there to get Cory out of jail. Tresspasser was amazing, it turned DA into my favorite gaming series out there. Sure they may have their problems and some claim it ruins the ending of Inquisition but all three are fun, high quality DLCs which the Franchise would be poorer without them then with them. Because it did, if the Inquisitor doesn't return as protagonist. Potentially ruins DA4 too. To me the ending of Trespasser leads to the Inquisitor not being the prptagnof the next one, but maybe an advisor and that would be cool but I can imagine whatever happens people will moan that it's not true to their Inky.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 19, 2018 18:09:56 GMT
Because it did, if the Inquisitor doesn't return as protagonist. Potentially ruins DA4 too. To me the ending of Trespasser leads to the Inquisitor not being the prptagnof the next one, but maybe an advisor and that would be cool but I can imagine whatever happens people will moan that it's not true to their Inky. I feel that the ending of Trespasser leads to the Inquisitor having to be the protagonist in the next one. But I know they probably won't because of that idiotic "new protagonist every game" nonsense. The Inquisitor being a NPC is worse than them not showing up at all in my opinion. Bioware has ruined every single of the protagonists they have done that with. The ruined my Revan. They ruined my Hawke. I do not want them to ruin my Inquisitor too. They were my favorite protagonist.
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Post by LogicGunn on Oct 19, 2018 18:16:21 GMT
To me the ending of Trespasser leads to the Inquisitor not being the prptagnof the next one, but maybe an advisor and that would be cool but I can imagine whatever happens people will moan that it's not true to their Inky. I feel that the ending of Trespasser leads to the Inquisitor having to be the protagonist in the next one. But I know they probably won't because of that idiotic "new protagonist every game" nonsense. The Inquisitor being a NPC is worse than them not showing up at all in my opinion. Bioware has ruined every single of the protagonists they have done that with. The ruined my Revan. They ruined my Hawke. I do not want them to ruin my Inquisitor too. They were my favorite protagonist. I thought they captured the different Hawke temperaments well, though it is hard to see my former PC out of my hands.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 19, 2018 18:26:20 GMT
I feel that the ending of Trespasser leads to the Inquisitor having to be the protagonist in the next one. But I know they probably won't because of that idiotic "new protagonist every game" nonsense. The Inquisitor being a NPC is worse than them not showing up at all in my opinion. Bioware has ruined every single of the protagonists they have done that with. The ruined my Revan. They ruined my Hawke. I do not want them to ruin my Inquisitor too. They were my favorite protagonist. I thought they captured the different Hawke temperaments well, though it is hard to see my former PC out of my hands. I'm glad they managed to capture yours well. They didn't with mine, with pretty much every aspect of them going against how my Hawke was.
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Post by LogicGunn on Oct 19, 2018 18:28:13 GMT
I thought they captured the different Hawke temperaments well, though it is hard to see my former PC out of my hands. I'm glad they managed to capture yours well. They didn't with mine, with pretty much every aspect of them going against how my Hawke was. What was.your Hawkes temperament and what did DAI do wrong for yours?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 19, 2018 18:32:44 GMT
I'm glad they managed to capture yours well. They didn't with mine, with pretty much every aspect of them going against how my Hawke was. What was.your Hawkes temperament and what did DAI do wrong for yours? Well, the main thing was their opinion of blood mages in DAI, calling them all monsters and stuff like that. Despite, you know, my Hawke being in a relationship with a blood mage. Then there were things like their views on Wardens, the relationship with Varric, etc. The Envy Demon did a better job capturing my Inquisitor than Bioware did Hawke, and that's a very low bar to not be able to get over.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 19, 2018 19:59:45 GMT
I liked Awakening...better then Dragon Age Origins base game. Much better story and much better antagonist(s)...even the gameplay wasn't as annoying for some odd reason. Legacy was a great bridge DLC between 2 and Inquisition. I don't mind that they decided that "we" did it even if it were offscreen, it really does not effect anything. I mean I suppose they could've decided that...no that wouldn't work either one of the Hawke's had to be there to get Cory out of jail. Tresspasser was amazing, it turned DA into my favorite gaming series out there. Sure they may have their problems and some claim it ruins the ending of Inquisition but all three are fun, high quality DLCs which the Franchise would be poorer without them then with them. Legacy didn't really do it for me, I kind of tumbled through it, but Awakening was awesome and Trespasser was one of the best DLCs I've ever played. I love the hints to a (possible) future game. Legacy was awesome. Loved meeting Cory so much and getting that major lore tease at the end. Just everything about Cory from his voice, his dialogue, his manner...which then bioware shat on in Inquisition. More or less. I would've loved Cory to capture the Inquisitor and have a chat about Tevinter (always been fascinated by them)
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Post by LogicGunn on Oct 19, 2018 20:06:09 GMT
Legacy didn't really do it for me, I kind of tumbled through it, but Awakening was awesome and Trespasser was one of the best DLCs I've ever played. I love the hints to a (possible) future game. Legacy was awesome. Loved meeting Cory so much and getting that major lore tease at the end. Just everything about Cory from his voice, his dialogue, his manner...which then bioware shat on in Inquisition. More or less. I would've loved Cory to capture the Inquisitor and have a chat about Tevinter (always been fascinated by them) Legacy Cory was a bit scarier iirc. Regardless Inquisition Cory is a limp fish flopping around on a boat deck!
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Post by colfoley on Oct 19, 2018 20:08:00 GMT
Legacy was awesome. Loved meeting Cory so much and getting that major lore tease at the end. Just everything about Cory from his voice, his dialogue, his manner...which then bioware shat on in Inquisition. More or less. I would've loved Cory to capture the Inquisitor and have a chat about Tevinter (always been fascinated by them) Legacy Cory was a bit scarier iirc. Regardless Inquisition Cory is a limp fish flopping around on a boat deck! still liked him but such wasted potential. I guess bioware wanted to save the DA 4 for the Tevinter lore dump.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 20, 2018 11:57:11 GMT
A big part of the reason why I want DA4 to turn out not to be about Solas at all is to see the reactions. So many people assume he'll be the antagonist of the next game, including certain gaming news websites, who I've seen make this claim despite having nothing whatever to back it up.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 20, 2018 14:07:23 GMT
A big part of the reason why I want DA4 to turn out not to be about Solas at all is to see the reactions. So many people assume he'll be the antagonist of the next game, including certain gaming news websites, who I've seen make this claim despite having nothing whatever to back it up. Patrick Weekes on Twitter said years ago that the next game would finish the Solas story, so it’s not like there is nothing to support that idea.
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Post by andydandymandy on Oct 20, 2018 17:43:30 GMT
A big part of the reason why I want DA4 to turn out not to be about Solas at all is to see the reactions. So many people assume he'll be the antagonist of the next game, including certain gaming news websites, who I've seen make this claim despite having nothing whatever to back it up.
They spent all of Inquisition and all of Trespasser setting up Solas as the main antagonist for DA4.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 20, 2018 22:14:18 GMT
A big part of the reason why I want DA4 to turn out not to be about Solas at all is to see the reactions. So many people assume he'll be the antagonist of the next game, including certain gaming news websites, who I've seen make this claim despite having nothing whatever to back it up.
They spent all of Inquisition and all of Trespasser setting up Solas as the main antagonist for DA4.
To be fair, it was more "future DA game", than "the next DA game" specifically. I actually agree with pessimistpanda - I'd very much like to not hear anything about Solas or his army of elves in the next game at all (beyond maybe the gossip/rumours you hear wandering around populated areas).
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Post by andydandymandy on Oct 20, 2018 22:29:04 GMT
They spent all of Inquisition and all of Trespasser setting up Solas as the main antagonist for DA4.
To be fair, it was more "future DA game", than "the next DA game" specifically. I actually agree with pessimistpanda - I'd very much like to not hear anything about Solas or his army of elves in the next game at all (beyond maybe the gossip/rumours you hear wandering around populated areas). Why would they spend so much time setting Solas up in DAI, and its last piece of DLC, only to hold it off until DA5?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 20, 2018 23:01:08 GMT
To be fair, it was more "future DA game", than "the next DA game" specifically. I actually agree with pessimistpanda - I'd very much like to not hear anything about Solas or his army of elves in the next game at all (beyond maybe the gossip/rumours you hear wandering around populated areas). Why would they spend so much time setting Solas up in DAI, and its last piece of DLC, only to hold it off until DA5?
For the same reason the OGB had a lot of importance at the end of Origins and all of Witch Hunt, only to be ignored entirely in DA2? ^^^ That was mostly facetious. They are actually different situations, of course. My point; is that we don't have a timeline for Solas' plan, nor do we know how long after Trespasser DA4 will be set. In addition to that, there is also the actions of the Qunari in Trespasser. I feel it is much more likely that the Qun/Imperium war will be the centrepiece conflict of DA4, personally.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 21, 2018 1:12:14 GMT
I believe I have stated but it is worth mentioning again: I would almost them rather that Solas be A bad guy in DA 4, even the Big Bad of DA 4, but we almost rarely ever see him throughout the course of the game. Granted I am torn because, much like with Cory, I think there is wonderful potential for a deep personal narrative with Solas and whoever the protagonist of DA 4 ends up being, (Yes Hanako this also includes the Inquisitor).
But the advantage of making most of the game deal with the Qunari or Imperium politics is it gives Solas a backdrop against these actions. I have been considering (not for the first time) that BioWare has a magnificent opprotunity to learn from their mistakes with ME 3. Solas is Overpowered as all hell and they could just give us some mcguffin to stop him or they could give us the ability to at least try and talk him down. Make the Solas part the grand oversweeping narrative of the game, the high level stuff, the struggle between your protagonist and the qunari can be the low level knitty gritty personal story that really drives the game.
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Post by Lazarillo on Oct 21, 2018 1:21:00 GMT
They spent all of Inquisition and all of Trespasser setting up Solas as the main antagonist for DA4. People were saying the same thing about DA2, Inquisition, and the Mage Rebellion, too. And look how that turned out. I actually agree with pessimistpanda - I'd very much like to not hear anything about Solas or his army of elves in the next game at all (beyond maybe the gossip/rumours you hear wandering around populated areas). As much as I don't want any eventual DA4 to be about Solas, I'm so sick of him already that I'll probably be even more disappointed if he can't be over and done with by then, either. He's the exact same as Corfishystix, he just makes more (insincere) frowny faces about it. Luckily, as noted by response to the first quote, my one ray of hope is pretty much that he's dealt with as an aside to whatever more pressing "modern day" issues dominate the game instead.
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Post by andydandymandy on Oct 21, 2018 2:43:35 GMT
Why would they spend so much time setting Solas up in DAI, and its last piece of DLC, only to hold it off until DA5?
For the same reason the OGB had a lot of importance at the end of Origins and all of Witch Hunt, only to be ignored entirely in DA2? ^^^ That was mostly facetious. They are actually different situations, of course. My point; is that we don't have a timeline for Solas' plan, nor do we know how long after Trespasser DA4 will be set. In addition to that, there is also the actions of the Qunari in Trespasser. I feel it is much more likely that the Qun/Imperium war will be the centrepiece conflict of DA4, personally. They spent all of Inquisition and all of Trespasser setting up Solas as the main antagonist for DA4. People were saying the same thing about DA2, Inquisition, and the Mage Rebellion, too. And look how that turned out. I actually agree with pessimistpanda - I'd very much like to not hear anything about Solas or his army of elves in the next game at all (beyond maybe the gossip/rumours you hear wandering around populated areas). As much as I don't want any eventual DA4 to be about Solas, I'm so sick of him already that I'll probably be even more disappointed if he can't be over and done with by then, either. He's the exact same as Corfishystix, he just makes more (insincere) frowny faces about it. Luckily, as noted by response to the first quote, my one ray of hope is pretty much that he's dealt with as an aside to whatever more pressing "modern day" issues dominate the game instead. If BioWare didn't make the Mage/Templar War the main conflict in Inquisition over Cory trying to make himself a god, why would they make the Tevinter/Qunari pissing contest the main plot over Solas planning to bring down the veil and destroy the world as we know it?
That's like having The Avengers deal with Thanos as an aside while making the Kree and the Skrulls fighting each other the main plot.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 21, 2018 3:10:47 GMT
For the same reason the OGB had a lot of importance at the end of Origins and all of Witch Hunt, only to be ignored entirely in DA2? ^^^ That was mostly facetious. They are actually different situations, of course. My point; is that we don't have a timeline for Solas' plan, nor do we know how long after Trespasser DA4 will be set. In addition to that, there is also the actions of the Qunari in Trespasser. I feel it is much more likely that the Qun/Imperium war will be the centrepiece conflict of DA4, personally. People were saying the same thing about DA2, Inquisition, and the Mage Rebellion, too. And look how that turned out. As much as I don't want any eventual DA4 to be about Solas, I'm so sick of him already that I'll probably be even more disappointed if he can't be over and done with by then, either. He's the exact same as Corfishystix, he just makes more (insincere) frowny faces about it. Luckily, as noted by response to the first quote, my one ray of hope is pretty much that he's dealt with as an aside to whatever more pressing "modern day" issues dominate the game instead. If BioWare didn't make the Mage/Templar War the main conflict in Inquisition over Cory trying to make himself a god, why would they make the Tevinter/Qunari pissing contest the main plot over Solas planning to bring down the veil and destroy the world as we know it?
That's like having The Avengers deal with Thanos as an aside while making the Kree and the Skrulls fighting each other the main plot.
If you're looking for an answer more sophisticated than "because they decided to", I'm afraid I don't have one for you. I don't know one way or another what the next game will be about. Solas and the Veil is certainly a possibility, but I wouldn't consider it a certainty. And looking at the way they have handled previous "unresolved" threads, I'd consider it 50:50 until we hear more, personally.
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Post by Lazarillo on Oct 21, 2018 3:39:38 GMT
If BioWare didn't make the Mage/Templar War the main conflict in Inquisition over Cory trying to make himself a god, why would they make the Tevinter/Qunari pissing contest the main plot over Solas planning to bring down the veil and destroy the world as we know it? Well, first, notably, because they hopefully understand that power/threat creep does not a good ongoing story make. And second, because they pulled the whole "political conflict concerning modern-Thedas factions is a smoke screen for destroying the world" in Inquisiton, why just do the same story again?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 21, 2018 6:31:33 GMT
A big part of the reason why I want DA4 to turn out not to be about Solas at all is to see the reactions. So many people assume he'll be the antagonist of the next game, including certain gaming news websites, who I've seen make this claim despite having nothing whatever to back it up.
They spent all of Inquisition and all of Trespasser setting up Solas as the main antagonist for DA4.
And after Awakening, everyone thought the sequel would focus on the Warden and intelligent darkspawn. After DA2, everyone thought the plot would be about the Mage-Templar war. Patrick Weekes may have tweeted whatever, but it doesn't follow that "finishing his story" requires making Solas the main antagonist, or even an antagonist at all. Regardless, there's no reason why a new protag can't do the job. If the writers can't come up with a compelling and feasible reason for why someone besides the Inquisitor might want to get involved, then they aren't very good.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 21, 2018 6:35:26 GMT
If BioWare didn't make the Mage/Templar War the main conflict in Inquisition over Cory trying to make himself a god, why would they make the Tevinter/Qunari pissing contest the main plot over Solas planning to bring down the veil and destroy the world as we know it?
That's like having The Avengers deal with Thanos as an aside while making the Kree and the Skrulls fighting each other the main plot.
If you're looking for an answer more sophisticated than "because they decided to", I'm afraid I don't have one for you. I don't know one way or another what the next game will be about. Solas and the Veil is certainly a possibility, but I wouldn't consider it a certainty. And looking at the way they have handled previous "unresolved" threads, I'd consider it 50:50 until we hear more, personally. Personally, my money's on something Titan-related. As world-changing revelations go, "ancient assholes came back to life" is way more common and way LESS interesting than "the earth is made of giants and magic comes from their blood".
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Post by Felya87 on Oct 21, 2018 11:01:26 GMT
Or, for what we know, Solas may have been set as an antagonist just to be made an ally (even a temporary one, maybe depending on choices?) the Qun/Tevinter war as a problem, stuff to resolve to go against the "real baddy", be it Titan, Acient elven gods that are freeing themselves, or intelligent darkspawn. A sequel to DAI is actually a blank canvas, if you think about it. In my opinion, anything can happen.
And I'm still in the 50:50 about a new protagonist too: gameplay wise, and story wise, the Inquisitor can start right from zero after the dlc, so I would not trow them away: I would not even be that much sure a two protagonist thing will not happen.
In the end, is all speculation and nothing more.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Oct 22, 2018 10:51:38 GMT
They spent all of Inquisition and all of Trespasser setting up Solas as the main antagonist for DA4.
And after Awakening, everyone thought the sequel would focus on the Warden and intelligent darkspawn. After DA2, everyone thought the plot would be about the Mage-Templar war. Patrick Weekes may have tweeted whatever, but it doesn't follow that "finishing his story" requires making Solas the main antagonist, or even an antagonist at all. Regardless, there's no reason why a new protag can't do the job. If the writers can't come up with a compelling and feasible reason for why someone besides the Inquisitor might want to get involved, then they aren't very good.
Besides, don't forget that there's also the problem of new players that are new to the franchise. If you want to write a story that can be fully understood and enjoyed by everyone you have to start almost fresh every time. On the other side you cannot spend time to build again a character or a piece of lore that you have already spent a lot of time on during one of the previous games, because it would probably bore to death old players that already know everything about it.
The result is that the main content of each game must be composed by something that doesn't require knowledge of events or people from previous games while the main content from old games must be sidelined so that players either know it or they don't need to.
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Post by beelzebub on Oct 23, 2018 0:47:36 GMT
Solas will get the power sucked out of him after the end credits by the next antagonist, who will in turn get his power sucked out in the following game.
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