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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Oct 15, 2018 4:41:48 GMT
No offense but most of these people look "hardcore"
In the mission to the Exaltation chamber Vetra says the Archon is "compensating for something" when the Pathfinder activates a hologram of the Archon speaking. That came off a little forced.
How would you feel if the next Mass Effect was aimed at a mainstream audience and had no forced cringe worthy and forced politics and dialogue?
What about mainstream gamers like them? Can Bioware survive without the "normies"?
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Post by Guardian on Oct 15, 2018 4:49:08 GMT
*checks to see who won the "How long before cmdrshep2183 posts again" pool* In all seriousness though, we too were "normies" once when it came to this series. And a series is only around for as long as there are fans that want to play it. For all the arguments and fights the BSN has about Andromeda (and ME in general), it just shows that we're all passionate about it and want this franchise to go on and thrive. And those people are also passionate about their areas and some do want to try other things. There's nothing wrong with it. So no, it wouldn't bother me either way. I didn't really notice it in Andromeda and it'd have to be rather blatant for me to pick up on it.
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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Oct 15, 2018 4:58:33 GMT
*checks to see who won the "How long before cmdrshep2183 posts again" pool* In all seriousness though, we too were "normies" once when it came to this series. And a series is only around for as long as there are fans that want to play it. For all the arguments and fights the BSN has about Andromeda (and ME in general), it just shows that we're all passionate about it and want this franchise to go on and thrive. And those people are also passionate about their areas and some do want to try other things. There's nothing wrong with it. So no, it wouldn't bother me either way. I didn't really notice it in Andromeda and it'd have to be rather blatant for me to pick up on it.
Is this a ridiculous comparison?
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 15, 2018 6:17:20 GMT
What makes you think it isn't? Depending on what you are talking about "forced politics and dialogue" is to make the game inclusive to all people who play video games and not just the standard audience. The people that are the most vocal about the game good or bad are the hardcore audience, the people that are just playing the game and ignoring the online drama are the casual audience which seems to be plenty of people going by the comments by EA.
Two different teams making different characters, its not the same artist making the characters so yes its not a fair comparison. Besides there are plenty of characters without facial problems in the game, so taking one of the worst and comparing it what I consider one of the best is not a balanced complaint.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 15, 2018 6:29:20 GMT
*checks to see who won the "How long before cmdrshep2183 posts again" pool* In all seriousness though, we too were "normies" once when it came to this series. And a series is only around for as long as there are fans that want to play it. For all the arguments and fights the BSN has about Andromeda (and ME in general), it just shows that we're all passionate about it and want this franchise to go on and thrive. And those people are also passionate about their areas and some do want to try other things. There's nothing wrong with it. So no, it wouldn't bother me either way. I didn't really notice it in Andromeda and it'd have to be rather blatant for me to pick up on it.
Is this a ridiculous comparison? Suvi is better than Morrigan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 18:31:02 GMT
You're actually implying that casual gamers are not mainstream? There are probably greater numbers of casual gamers and that alone makes them the mainstream. There are also huge numbers of hardcore gamers to never touch RPGs and have no interest in Mass Effect. To answer your question, the next Mass Effect should be aimed at as broad an audience as Bioware anticipates they can attract to it.
Are the photos you show of Morrigan and Suvi making a ridiculous comparison? Well, do beautiful people sometimes get caught blinking in photographs? Yes, it's a ridiculous comparison since I can probably advance Suvi's frames in that scene by a few and show her with eyes that are more closed.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 15, 2018 21:49:52 GMT
I'm surprised nobody played the "That's bait" meme.
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Post by natetrace on Oct 15, 2018 23:55:00 GMT
I don't think saying someone is compensating for something is cringe worthy. I've heard that saying used in real life many times.
I think BioWare gets crapped on for not trying to appeal just to mainstream audiences, and then they get crapped on when they do with Anthem. The next Mass Effect is guaranteed to have a robust multiplayer mode. It most likely won't compete with Black Ops 8 or whatever is out by then, but it can hold it's own as ME3 and Andromeda have.
I play a lot of BioWare games, but I'll play Black ops 4 and Madden 19 as well. I'll play indie games also. I can appreciate a story sure, but I also like just blowing crap up or shooting something in the face... So I don't think mainstream vs. non mainstream audiences are as cut and dry as it seems.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 16, 2018 2:45:04 GMT
I'm surprised nobody played the "That's bait" meme. That's every post of his. It's VERY rare for him to make any comments beyond the original post.
Maybe we need a "Ask your pointless questions here" thread. The OP can post all his questions there without endless threads.
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Post by Guardian on Oct 16, 2018 2:46:56 GMT
I'm surprised nobody played the "That's bait" meme. That's every post of his. It's VERY rare for him to make any comments beyond the original post.
Maybe we need a "Ask your pointless questions here" thread. The OP can post all his questions there without endless threads.
It was not as obvious as I thought, but that's why I said what I did
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Post by hulluliini on Oct 17, 2018 9:40:30 GMT
Andromeda was aimed at mainstream casual audiences and it was the main reason it failed.
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 17, 2018 17:00:21 GMT
It should be aimed at casuals, but not by trying to fulfill their needs (e.g. a main character relatable to them, that is a confused child) but by making them want to play a game similar to ME1 in its maturity.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Oct 17, 2018 18:44:44 GMT
What were the last few ME/DA games? All I saw was addition put in for attracting the mainstream.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 17, 2018 18:51:09 GMT
What the hell does mainstream even mean these days?
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 17, 2018 20:11:11 GMT
What the hell does mainstream even mean these days? It feels like mainstream is what the poster thinks they are and the people that think like them and casual is everyone else.
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 18, 2018 17:04:31 GMT
Mainstream players a.k.a. ordinaries are those players who don't explore the universe of the game (I bet most of them didn't even read the Codex, not to mention books) and are highly susceptible to suggestions the game gives them. This lack of reflection, sophistication and knowledge pursuit is a cause of many cancerous behaviors, let us mention believing that Andromeda is superior to the OT because of its quasi-intergalactic setting, spreading blatant misinformation about the quarians (especially about their hygiene), playing exclusively as a Soldier and romancing Miranda. At the same time, ordinaries tend to be childish and deprived of goals, and so are characters in games tailored to their needs, not to mention those games being generally uncomplicated and linear because most of the players will play them identically anyway.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Oct 18, 2018 18:36:24 GMT
It's both a matter of what level of creative freedom EA allows in terms of political statements and what the staff on board thinks.
If BioWare is just a room filled with idealists from the left wing, then obviously we get one sided political messaging. But one sided leftist messaging is also very socially prejudiced now and EA is interested in not causing controversies so if they would catch their game having pro-republican messaging or views that oppose leftism somewhere in it they would probably demand it to be cut.
I don't think EA is hands on or cateful enough to actually check that.
That said, replaying ME1 in 2018 there's suddenly a lot of conceptual things about it which I doubt would ever fly at 2018 BioWare even if the idea crossed the desk and you can see that as a natural "evolution" but I see it as a painful regression and increasingly claustrophobic creative environment.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Oct 18, 2018 18:46:03 GMT
Andromeda was aimed at mainstream casual audiences and it was the main reason it failed. errrr I don't know. It's part cause I guess. It actually went against the grain a lot by attempting to pander to ME1 players which is easily the least mainstream game in the series and it also tells a rather intricate, complicated premise for its story that I think made a lot of Mass Effect fans go "uhhh, pass" because it wasn't just some "evil dude attacks shoot stuff in the face and LOOK, SPACE CARS!" crap. But yes the whole Task system and Inquisition-isms which are mainstream-isms; Ubisoft- or Skyrim-isms is part of the reason Andromeda left a sour taste in people's mouths.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 19, 2018 1:19:29 GMT
That said, replaying ME1 in 2018 there's suddenly a lot of conceptual things about it which I doubt would ever fly at 2018 BioWare even if the idea crossed the desk and you can see that as a natural "evolution" but I see it as a painful regression and increasingly claustrophobic creative environment. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here. Can you elaborate?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Oct 19, 2018 1:28:26 GMT
That said, replaying ME1 in 2018 there's suddenly a lot of conceptual things about it which I doubt would ever fly at 2018 BioWare even if the idea crossed the desk and you can see that as a natural "evolution" but I see it as a painful regression and increasingly claustrophobic creative environment. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here. Can you elaborate? I think if you check some of the scarce developer discussions on ME1 and board users like Takyris and Stormwaltz you get the impression that they would have long heated debates about how the real world works. Like, how does western society function, what's the difference between economics and class between the middle east and west or asia -- not just the obvious cultural borders -- discussions that I don't think they have today because it's only relegated to culture and it's discussed with the pretense of "inclusivity" e.g. "We should discuss the lore of Andromeda regarding asians so we can represent our asian community!" so it's purely social or cultural, not actual concern for text and handling it as an aspect of the story.
These kinds of ideas are too "hot" if you know what I mean. EA would not want to endorse a game that goes too in and picks sides or decides what political future earth has unless it's totally fantastical, like "Vancouver is the captical city cuz CANADA, FUCK YEA!"
I think BioWare is way too concerned with treating everyone well now to have any serious discussions when conceptualizing their games. It's all just head-in-the-clouds idealism now and their lore has suffered greatly from that transition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 4:27:04 GMT
The old bioware is dead, the golden times will never return.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 19, 2018 17:01:57 GMT
The old bioware is dead, the golden times will never return. Idk, I'm replaying KOTOR and while I love it there's some very cringworthy voice acting by the extras and some bad gameplay. My point is they were never perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 3:47:11 GMT
The old bioware is dead, the golden times will never return. Idk, I'm replaying KOTOR and while I love it there's some very cringworthy voice acting by the extras and some bad gameplay. My point is they were never perfect. Nothing is perfect but compare Bioware games from the 2000s to Andromeda.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 20, 2018 3:54:19 GMT
Idk, I'm replaying KOTOR and while I love it there's some very cringworthy voice acting by the extras and some bad gameplay. My point is they were never perfect. Nothing is perfect but compare Bioware games from the 2000s to Andromeda. Yeah, they are just as problematic and with issues. Even look at Jade Empire its only half a game where the second half is rushed to completion for shipment with plenty of cheesy and cringe worthy dialogue.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 20, 2018 3:55:51 GMT
Idk, I'm replaying KOTOR and while I love it there's some very cringworthy voice acting by the extras and some bad gameplay. My point is they were never perfect. Nothing is perfect but compare Bioware games from the 2000s to Andromeda. Okay. *looks at the games and then Andromeda* Andromeda is better.
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