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Post by Heimdall on Oct 30, 2018 18:07:57 GMT
My expectation is that DA4 will be set primarily in a war torn Tevinter as the Qunari invade.
However, there’s a difference between that being the setting and that being the focus.
I realize that comparisons between DAI and another game became monotonous and sometimes vicious a few years ago, but I’m just nearing the end of Act I of The Witcher III: Wild Hunt, and one of the things I like about it is that the war between Redania and Nilfgaard is more of a backdrop than a focus. Yes, many of the side quests and main quests deal with the consequences of the war and side effects on the people, but choosing a side and fighting it isn’t the focus of the plot.
That’s what I hope for in DA4, that we pursue the main plot thread through the carnage of the war, but not make the war the focus of the plot. I would be perfectly fine with the conflict being unresolved by the end of the game.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2018 18:25:17 GMT
If I was personally involved in the creation of DA4 and had a degree of creative control, you would initially be involved in the war with the qunari, but the focus would shift to Solas’ war on humanity. The war would then be relegated to background status, possibly setting up a decision later on where you must choose between allying with Tevinter or the qunari to fight Solas.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 30, 2018 18:42:30 GMT
I expect we'll be involved in either resolving the war, or at least parleying a truce, in order to deal with Solas (and possibly set up the Evanuris for the following game).
I don't expect our choices will be able to radically alter the political landscape though - like choosing a decisive winner in the war. They have followup games to consider.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 30, 2018 18:42:50 GMT
That’s what I hope for in DA4, that we pursue the main plot thread through the carnage of the war, but not make the war the focus of the plot. I would be perfectly fine with the conflict being unresolved by the end of the game. What's the main plot thread that you hope to pursue? I just hope the Tevinter/Qunari situation is less of a stale backdrop than the mage/templar situation was in DAI. Now, the mage/templar situation in DA2... that's what I'd like to see. Have it woven throughout the game from the beginning, make it personal, and increasingly important as the Acts go on.
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Post by phoray on Oct 30, 2018 18:53:35 GMT
Regardless of what they do with the war...
I want to experence Tevinter as NOT war torn for a while before getting to the war part. We need a Before to appreciate the After.
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Post by theascendent on Oct 30, 2018 18:58:38 GMT
The war will serve as a smokescreen for Solas to advance his schemes, just as Corypheus used the Mage-Templar war and Orlesian civil war to further his plans. While it will be a part of the story, and we might fight a few battles, I doubt it will be the focus.
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Post by Heimdall on Oct 30, 2018 19:44:31 GMT
That’s what I hope for in DA4, that we pursue the main plot thread through the carnage of the war, but not make the war the focus of the plot. I would be perfectly fine with the conflict being unresolved by the end of the game. What's the main plot thread that you hope to pursue? I just hope the Tevinter/Qunari situation is less of a stale backdrop than the mage/templar situation was in DAI. Now, the mage/templar situation in DA2... that's what I'd like to see. Have it woven throughout the game from the beginning, make it personal, and increasingly important as the Acts go on. Something related to Solas’ plan I expect DA2 actually handled it closer to the way TW3 handled it. As opposed to DAI, I want this to be a recurring element that shapes our circumstances as it develops.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Oct 30, 2018 20:34:04 GMT
I would love if DA 4 focus more on the Tevinter vs Qunari War because i really don´t care for the Corypheus Sorry Solas Plot. Also Tevinter or the Qunari aren´t really the typical Good vs Evil Conflict. But i assume that DA 4 will be like DAI. First Tevinter / Qunari plus Reformation of Tevinter then the Grey Warden Civil War / Weißhaupt and at the End we will stop Solas.
Lets Hope that DA 4 will feature a Twist. I find boring and anticlimactic that we already know that Solas will be likely DA 4 Endboss. There is the Surprise?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 30, 2018 21:01:13 GMT
I'm almost 100% certain it won't be.
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Post by leadintea on Oct 30, 2018 21:13:43 GMT
I would love if DA 4 focus more on the Tevinter vs Qunari War because i really don´t care for the Corypheus Sorry Solas Plot. Also Tevinter or the Qunari aren´t really the typical Good vs Evil Conflict. But i assume that DA 4 will be like DAI. First Tevinter / Qunari plus Reformation of Tevinter then the Grey Warden Civil War / Weißhaupt and at the End we will stop Solas. Lets Hope that DA 4 will feature a Twist. I find boring and anticlimactic that we already know that Solas will be likely DA 4 Endboss. There is the Surprise? Yeah, I'm really hoping that Solas is the "2nd act" boss and we get a more interesting plot for the finale. I'm not crazy about Solas and I don't want his shenanigans to be the focal point of DA4. Set up his conflict in the first act while we take care of something else (Tevinter reformation, Qunari war, etc.), and have it resolved in the second. I don't particularly care one way or the other about the Tevinter-Qunari war, but I'd much rather have that be DA4's focus than Solas' plot.
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Post by Heimdall on Oct 30, 2018 22:20:31 GMT
I would love if DA 4 focus more on the Tevinter vs Qunari War because i really don´t care for the Corypheus Sorry Solas Plot. Also Tevinter or the Qunari aren´t really the typical Good vs Evil Conflict. But i assume that DA 4 will be like DAI. First Tevinter / Qunari plus Reformation of Tevinter then the Grey Warden Civil War / Weißhaupt and at the End we will stop Solas. Lets Hope that DA 4 will feature a Twist. I find boring and anticlimactic that we already know that Solas will be likely DA 4 Endboss. There is the Surprise? Resolving an entire war in a single act is literally my worst case scenario. That’s what happened in DAI, and it resulted in the Mage-Templar and Orlesian Civil War being extremely underdeveloped
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Oct 30, 2018 22:32:20 GMT
Yeah, I'm really hoping that Solas is the "2nd act" boss and we get a more interesting plot for the finale. I´m afraid that this is unlikely. Our only Hope is that Solas will be killed from true Endboss. Like someone from Evanuris. Maybe Elgar'nan himself?
It has potential to be a great Story like Act 2 from DA 2.
Both Tevinter and the Qunari were characterized in previous Games more as Baddies so it would interessing to make a Choice.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 30, 2018 23:44:43 GMT
I think it likely that it will be the focus of the story and the Solas bit will be the backdrop.
However:
We have several seemingly competing plot points going on right now that all couldbe brought up in some form either through the side or main story.
Solas's plot The Qunari War The Tevinter reform movement The Dwarven/ Titan/ Kal'shirock stuff The Executor stuff. The mysterious stuff going on with some of the Elves which has been hinted at. This mysterious focused on death faction that we heard about. The mysterious stuff which is going on with the Wardens in the Anderfells.
Basically there is a lot to unpack here and a lot of subplots that could all entertwine and affect the likely main plot with Solas. So the Qunari plot line might not be the focus but a focus of an area/ quest chain. (See Mass Effect Andromeda, or maybe Assassin's Creed Oddyssey).
Also I'm kind of hoping for some really personal stakes for our protagonist.
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Post by arvaarad on Oct 31, 2018 13:45:23 GMT
The Dwarven/ Titan/ Kal'shirock stuff Would love to see focus on this, at least in the beginning. Thedas just had a war. I wouldn’t mind some Qunari/Tevinter squabbling, but it would be nice to have an interlude in between. Plus, we haven’t really gotten to know Par Vollen or Tevinter civilians, which to me is necessary narratively when there’s a war coming. There aren’t much stakes in war when we haven’t hung out with the farmers and bakers and merchants. We’ve mostly only met the lizard class of Par Vollen and Tevinter, their senators and generals and spies. Any less-powerful people (like Fenris or Krem) have at least had the means/luck to be able to leave. So both opposing sides come across as power-hungry assholes who deserve each other. But both nations are overwhelmingly civilian, full of ordinary people without the resources to flee should things go sour. We need to meet them.
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Post by Heimdall on Oct 31, 2018 15:27:29 GMT
I think it likely that it will be the focus of the story and the Solas bit will be the backdrop. However: We have several seemingly competing plot points going on right now that all couldbe brought up in some form either through the side or main story. Solas's plot The Qunari War The Tevinter reform movement The Dwarven/ Titan/ Kal'shirock stuff The Executor stuff. The mysterious stuff going on with some of the Elves which has been hinted at. This mysterious focused on death faction that we heard about. The mysterious stuff which is going on with the Wardens in the Anderfells. Basically there is a lot to unpack here and a lot of subplots that could all entertwine and affect the likely main plot with Solas. So the Qunari plot line might not be the focus but a focus of an area/ quest chain. (See Mass Effect Andromeda, or maybe Assassin's Creed Oddyssey). Also I'm kind of hoping for some really personal stakes for our protagonist. All interesting, but I worry about them spreading themselves too thin. That was a problem with Inquisition.
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Post by Frost on Oct 31, 2018 17:43:35 GMT
All interesting, but I worry about them spreading themselves too thin. That was a problem with Inquisition. I agree with this. I hope DA4 focuses on the Solas plot rather than trying to cover too many things.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Oct 31, 2018 17:55:02 GMT
All interesting, but I worry about them spreading themselves too thin. That was a problem with Inquisition. Some Plots could also be handled in DLCs. I don´t expect Kal Sharok in the Main Game. Also the Titan Plot is connected to the Solas / Evanuris.
And Death Faction i would imagine is only relevant to a possible Mortalitasi Companion.
I find it unlikely that DA 4 will go much in Detail with Nevarra. The Executor stuff maybe another Companion or our Main Hero is one of them.
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Post by leadintea on Oct 31, 2018 21:35:09 GMT
I´m afraid that this is unlikely. Our only Hope is that Solas will be killed from true Endboss.Like someone from Evanuris. Maybe Elgar'nan himself? Ugh, I know. I'm just thinking that if Solas is given prominence, BW is going to have to work the Inquisitor in somehow and I don't think there are too many good ways to handle their presence in DA4. I guess. Like I said earlier, I don't have any strong feelings regarding the Tevinter-Qunari war, so I don't particularly care what they do with it. As long as it's not as black and white as the mage/templar debate, I'll be content with what they give me.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 1, 2018 0:29:28 GMT
I'm not enthused about Qunari or elfy stuff in general, so DA4 is likely to be a bit iffy for me, depending on where they go with it. But the stuff that will hook me into the game has little to do with the overall plot, so it's not that big of a deal in general.
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Post by TabithaTH on Nov 1, 2018 15:29:54 GMT
I like the idea that we get to experience the war indirectly via the people we meet and not because we are directly involved. Kinda like in “This War of Mine”. We get to see how the common folk are stuck in the middle, the poor people who can’t simply flee to one of their other mansions or who adamantly refuse to leave their few possessions behind, even if it means risking their life. Or even the people who decide that the Qun might be better than the life they are currently living.
Something like DA2 could also work. Driving off/welcoming the Qunari from a single town/city is much easier to acknowledge in future games than who won the war.
As for a main plot, I would much rather go back to the roots of the IP and see what’s happening at Weisshaupt. Unfortunately It’ll be either a side quest or a DLC and that’s only if I’m lucky. Most likely they’ll decide to either ignore it completely or give us some vague references. I do admit that I still feel like I need some sort of closure to the whole Solas thing. However, as long as they don’t just glance over it, I honestly do not care whether it’s a side quest or the main plot. They could even make it a separate DLC (hope not), just as long as they do it properly.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 1, 2018 19:04:40 GMT
What I'm really hoping for is a fully realised Minrathous and this will be the hub from which we travel to other areas in northern Thedas following the main plot. (Something like Baldurs Gate 2 when Athkatla was where we spent much of our time but we travelled elsewhere both above and below ground). Since Minrathous has never fallen to an enemy force, the war could be something that is simply in the background whilst we are there but occasionally we have to travel to other locations that takes us into the war zone.
There are any number of plot threads that could be pursued whilst in Tevinter apart from Solas but ultimately we are going to have to get back to him simply because of the fact that his actions in the past shaped the current world and his aim is to reverse it. I still say that the original trailer for DAI, with the sky splitting open and Morrigan's voiceover was nothing like what we ultimately got. That seemed more like what Solas intends and even her final words "Will you stand against the darkness or lead this world to its bitter end" makes me think that she was talking about the second half of the story that has yet to be told. I want this to happen in DA4 and not be delayed any more.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 1, 2018 19:44:42 GMT
What I'm really hoping for is a fully realised Minrathous and this will be the hub from which we travel to other areas in northern Thedas following the main plot. (Something like Baldurs Gate 2 when Athkatla was where we spent much of our time but we travelled elsewhere both above and below ground). Since Minrathous has never fallen to an enemy force, the war could be something that is simply in the background whilst we are there but occasionally we have to travel to other locations that takes us into the war zone. There are any number of plot threads that could be pursued whilst in Tevinter apart from Solas but ultimately we are going to have to get back to him simply because of the fact that his actions in the past shaped the current world and his aim is to reverse it. I still say that the original trailer for DAI, with the sky splitting open and Morrigan's voiceover was nothing like what we ultimately got. That seemed more like what Solas intends and even her final words "Will you stand against the darkness or lead this world to its bitter end" makes me think that she was talking about the second half of the story that has yet to be told. I want this to happen in DA4 and not be delayed any more. I never take trailer speak seriously for exactly this reason. It’s about sounding epic, not accurate.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Nov 1, 2018 20:17:58 GMT
The extent to which the war (or any war) is the focus of the game may well he determined by the combat system they choose.
I can see fast-paced action combat work well in a game that starts during a war.
I, of course, would not play that game.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 2, 2018 9:05:12 GMT
Resolving an entire war in a single act is literally my worst case scenario. That’s what happened in DAI, and it resulted in the Mage-Templar and Orlesian Civil War being extremely underdeveloped This is one of my biggest gripes about Inquisition with how they handled the Mage-Templar storyline.
It would have been infinitely better if the rebel mages at Redcliffe were comprised entirely from former members of the Fereldan Circle. That way, we're not actually impacting the outcome of the war, as our involvement is limited only to a single group in one country.
(The devs could have even changed things up so that the outcome of the conflict is different in each nation. Fereldan and Rivain were more sympathetic towards the mages, the Templars had more support in Orlais and Nevarra, support in the Marches differs between each city-state, etc)
If I was to suggest how they could handle a Tevinter/Qunari war, I'd prefer it to either end the game as something still ongoing, but we are able to determine what tips the scales in one side's favour and our actions do have consequences in the next game, such as who may end up controlling certain regions.
For instance, if we help to drive the Qunari from Seheron, the Qunari end up conquering (the rest of) Rivain by the next game and set their sights on the Free Marches. Whereas pushing the Qunari out of Rivain, would allow the Qunari to conquer Seheron by the next game and set their sights on the Imperium.
Would our decisions lead to the Qunari trying to take the North or instead go for the South?
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Post by boxofscreaming on Nov 2, 2018 21:09:14 GMT
I hope we don't have Qunari fundamentalists or Tevinter magisters as the villains - that's so predictable. Why not have the supposed good guys such as Ferelden and Divine Victoria as the antagonists?
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