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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Nov 3, 2018 10:24:40 GMT
Check out that alien at 1:36!
Should Bioware give us more alien civilizations and aliens that are less humanoid?
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 3, 2018 10:27:45 GMT
Depends.
Do you think the online community will give BioWare $200 million in pre-sales which include pre-selling DLC that costs in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars and not lose their minds when the game is delayed while taking more the 2.5 years to make?
Nah, I think the answer to both is no.
Oh yeah, the answer is 42.
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Post by river82 on Nov 3, 2018 11:21:44 GMT
One of my biggest disappointments was that the Rachni wasn't expanded on or developed more in the ME series. For me, that would have been a really interesting direction to head in. So imo, definitely give us more alien civilizations.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 3, 2018 11:29:51 GMT
One of my biggest disappointments was that the Rachni wasn't expanded on or developed more in the ME series. For me, that would have been a really interesting direction to head in. So imo, definitely give us more alien civilizations. The problem is frankly as I see it there would be a lot of shortcuts taken to do it such as the Volus, Elcor, and Hanar in Mass Effect 1. They just stood there with minimal animations, for if I recall correctly the only animations were the lights on the Volus mouthpiece and the colors of the Hanar. BioWare generally has their animators tasked fairly highly to get all the other animations in the game done already, adding things that are going to have such an unique animation set instead of a humanoid or close to humanoid skeletal framework is going to cause the other areas to suffer. I really don't think the majority of the internet as a whole would be willing to accept another facial animation issue to have more alien aliens and at the same time I don't think people would accept token alien aliens as well that just stand there and are far more limited then other species.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Nov 3, 2018 11:53:29 GMT
One of my biggest disappointments was that the Rachni wasn't expanded on or developed more in the ME series. For me, that would have been a really interesting direction to head in. So imo, definitely give us more alien civilizations. The problem is frankly as I see it there would be a lot of shortcuts taken to do it such as the Volus, Elcor, and Hanar in Mass Effect 1. They just stood there with minimal animations, for if I recall correctly the only animations were the lights on the Volus mouthpiece and the colors of the Hanar. I also remember some interview where they stated were already on the limits of the consoles memory wieh ME1 - consoles, always limiting ME3 also has the same in some cases..
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Meaningless without the question.
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Post by urkibalurki on Nov 3, 2018 20:54:16 GMT
Meaningless without the question. But Earth was destroyed by the Vogons - so, nobody knows what is The Question...
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Post by ahglock on Nov 3, 2018 21:34:43 GMT
One of my biggest disappointments was that the Rachni wasn't expanded on or developed more in the ME series. For me, that would have been a really interesting direction to head in. So imo, definitely give us more alien civilizations. I want an explanation for how weird creatures build things. What the hell are rachni using to craft things? As bug monsters they work, as space faring creatures who built ships I have a hard time buying it. At least the leviathans had full on mind control, so they just got other people to build shit for them.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 4, 2018 3:37:56 GMT
Meaningless without the question. But Earth was destroyed by the Vogons - so, nobody knows what is The Question... And that's the real reason why Earth was the Most Important Place in ME3. If the Reapers destroyed the Earth, the question would never be discovered.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 4, 2018 16:06:45 GMT
I can understand making Rubber Forehead aliens. They're more relatable and probably easier on the budget. And they're a staple to scifi: Star Wars, Star Trek, Farscape, Babylon 5, etc.
What I resent more is when they make a truly ALIEN species, like the geth, rachni, etc, or even try to make non-humans seem more, well "non-human, and then turn around and make them into funny-looking human beings, undoing all the mystique built up around them.
It takes an opportunity to truly explore what being human means by demonstrating non-human perspective, and turns it into a case of taking a different path in the character creator.
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Post by KrrKs on Nov 4, 2018 17:12:33 GMT
One of my biggest disappointments was that the Rachni wasn't expanded on or developed more in the ME series. For me, that would have been a really interesting direction to head in. So imo, definitely give us more alien civilizations. I want an explanation for how weird creatures build things. What the hell are rachni using to craft things? As bug monsters they work, as space faring creatures who built ships I have a hard time buying it. At least the leviathans had full on mind control, so they just got other people to build shit for them. Speaking for my fellow insects - the explanation for Rachni is easy: All the large large ones have forward arms with hands and 2 long fingers, as well as shoulder based tentacle like extremities that ends in 3 bone-y(?) outgrowths. (Likely used when digging their tunnels)
All of those look like they could be used for all sorts of manual labour. It stands to reason that they might even use their 'not-mandibles' to manipulate stuff*.
*In fact I would bet that at least the workers (i.e., the small exploding swarmer types) exclusively use their mandibles and acid to perform their usual (non-suicide attack) tasks. It's really more of a curiosity that the Hanar can build anything with these squishy tentacles of theirs. Though the worst offender in this regard are the Elcor. They seem to lack any sort of extremity that could be used to manipulate anything at all.
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Post by Phantom on Nov 4, 2018 20:32:15 GMT
the more approiate question is for BSN, "can we have sex with it?" for BSN as a whole is pro-xenophile.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 5, 2018 2:28:49 GMT
Well, at least, I think we're past time that aliens like hanar, elcor, volus finally get storyline due with full animations (scenes, combat).
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 5, 2018 14:13:38 GMT
Well, at least, I think we're past time that aliens like hanar, elcor, volus finally get storyline due with full animations (scenes, combat). Well personally I understood why that was hard to do. Still I wouldn't be against that. Blasto a ME adventure. I'd buy that.
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Post by Vortex13 on Nov 5, 2018 15:07:40 GMT
I would love to see more non-humanoid aliens taking part in major story and combat elements as both a fully fledged companion character; as well as a potential MP kit; but I want 'alien' characters, and the quality writing that makes such elements possible, more.
A non-humanoid design is good and all, but if it doesn't have the writing to back it up the thing is boring and hardly more than a weird looking background prop and/or mindless monster to kill. After all, Andromeda managed to give us non-humnaoid designs with the random bug aliens (which didn't even get a codex entry) to the Remanent mecha-worms. But without the writing to support things they were rather forgetful. If BioWare is going to give us an 'alien' non-humanoid alien then they should go the whole way and not give us a cheap cardboard cutout.
I am hoping to see quality writing in that area, but Andromeda left much to be desired in that department. The aliens we do wind up meeting in-game, who we don't immediately shoot in the face, as so similar to us they might have just been humans. Hell the asari were more 'alien' than the angara, and they were the most humanized species in the franchise up until that point.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 13, 2018 17:45:34 GMT
May just come down to the animation matrix, time and money. More bones in the animation skeleton may mean more complex animation construction. Which means more time and more time usually means more money -unless they don't want to get paid for their work.
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Post by kaedion on Dec 23, 2018 19:22:44 GMT
That's something in the Mass Effect Universe that I'm still kind of scratching my head over. . .
There are Elcor, Hanar, and Rachni, who aren't bipedal aliens. The general narrative of the MEU is that all life is connected, tied together... By the founding species that created The Technology, and carved paths for generations of life to follow. It's more clearly pointed out that They engineered the Angara in Andromeda. But only speculations of any relations are really presented in the MET.
So there are a lot of Humanoid species because The Cycle was designed to harvest human shaped fruits. Not dog or squid shaped fruits. Those other species were not specifically planted, they are few and far between anomalies...? Less non-humanoid-species shows prowess of the founding-species that managed to control the future generations of life forms/paths.
I think more non-humanoid-species would ruin (what I perceive to be) the main plot regarding the founding-species and Reapers.
Sure, it's space, and some of us want to see ALIENS. Not more blue humans. ...Or metal-bird "furries." (Air quotes) ...But the plot is to be considered, and it takes precedence over interest in some enthralling alien species diversity?
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That's something in the Mass Effect Universe that I'm still kind of scratching my head over. . . There are Elcor, Hanar, and Rachni, who aren't bipedal aliens. The general narrative of the MEU is that all life is connected, tied together... By the founding species that created The Technology, and carved paths for generations of life to follow. It's more clearly pointed out that They engineered the Angara in Andromeda. But only speculations of any relations are really presented in the MET. So there are a lot of Humanoid species because The Cycle was designed to harvest human shaped fruits. Not dog or squid shaped fruits. Those other species were not specifically planted, they are few and far between anomalies...? Less non-humanoid-species shows prowess of the founding-species that managed to control the future generations of life forms/paths. I think more non-humanoid-species would ruin (what I perceive to be) the main plot regarding the founding-species and Reapers. Sure, it's space, and some of us want to see ALIENS. Not more blue humans. ...Or metal-bird "furries." (Air quotes) ...But the plot is to be considered, and it takes precedence over interest in some enthralling alien species diversity? I don't think the bi pedal races were designed by the Reapers. The Reapers just wait and whoever develops enough is killed and their dna put into the core of a reaper. I don't think any species was planted. Other than the Jardaan creating the Angara.
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I don't think the bi pedal races were designed by the Reapers. The Reapers just wait and whoever develops enough is killed and their dna put into the core of a reaper. I don't think any species was planted. Other than the Jardaan creating the Angara. "Designed by Reapers." ...? That's not what I was attempting to say. (I understand what the Reapers do. Reapers harvest the civilizations which evolved along the plotted courses to become the goo which resides in Reaper cores. Reapers are machines of destruction, and preservation at the same time. As they store life-data. Presumably, the goo which they "kill"/&/"preserve" extract also fuels them? ) Before a species can be harvested by Reapers it needs to meet certain criteria. Criteria that is/was set up by the Founding-species. (Founding-species; the species that made Reapers. Founding-species; The species that made 'The Technology' paths for inferior lifeforms to discover and adhere to. Founding-species; Potentially, the species that created the basis for which most bipedal life forms all share common ancestry with---at least on a particular set of genetic structures. Specific genetic material that has something to do with Greymatter and Darkmatter.) Leftover technology means that civilizations will develop in accordance with the founders technology. Leftover genetic materials spread across the various worlds of different galaxies would also act as pathways of specific natural selections and evolution/s. We've seen that an organic species can be and have been manufactured, with the Angara. (Just as we've seen that Mass Relays were created for a specific purpose.) If specific technology was being left around to be discovered... It's likely that, similarly to technology, some forms of bio material were also specifically engineered. Just another insuring factor that the paths the Founding species wanted to be followed, would be. Codes of genetic material were likely planted along worlds so that after a while of evolution/natural selection, you'd see more of a particular species advancing. That same strand of DNA is probably found in Turians, Asari, Salarians, Humans, Angara, Quarians, The Founding Species, etc. and a number of plants... but plant life rarely ... Acts as non plant-life does . . . (The Thorian was likely carrying the same Genetic material. Although, natural selection saw to it being a stationary species. It effectively didn't do much of anything for a long time, with the sentience that it had... Which is why we don't see a bunch of strange plant blobs living out as the human-like Council species do.) In order for more energy to be conserved for advanced higher thought processes (Thinking Biotic Levels...) exterior mobility of a life form would need to cost the least amount of energy as possible. Freeing up more over all energy for mass effect stuff via the subject's brain. (But as seen with something like the Thorian, movement would still be required to explore, and find other pieces of the puzzle, to eventually end up being battery juice for the founding-species 'Live forever Reaper' capsules. ) So in conclusion, a Bipedal species would be the most effective life form, to develop in the way that the Founding-species would expect and require for their inevitable harvest (preformed by their Reapers.) . . . < _ <
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Post by natetrace on Dec 23, 2018 23:51:32 GMT
I don't think the bi pedal races were designed by the Reapers. The Reapers just wait and whoever develops enough is killed and their dna put into the core of a reaper. I don't think any species was planted. Other than the Jardaan creating the Angara. "Designed by Reapers." ...? That's not what I was attempting to say. (I understand what the Reapers do. Reapers harvest the civilizations which evolved along the plotted courses to become the goo which resides in Reaper cores. Reapers are machines of destruction, and preservation at the same time. As they store life-data. Presumably, the goo which they "kill"/&/"preserve" extract also fuels them? ) Before a species can be harvested by Reapers it needs to meet certain criteria. Criteria that is/was set up by the Founding-species. (Founding-species; the species that made Reapers. Founding-species; The species that made 'The Technology' paths for inferior lifeforms to discover and adhere to. Founding-species; Potentially, the species that created the basis for which most bipedal life forms all share common ancestry with---at least on a particular set of genetic structures. Specific genetic material that has something to do with Greymatter and Darkmatter.) Leftover technology means that civilizations will develop in accordance with the founders technology. Leftover genetic materials spread across the various worlds of different galaxies would also act as pathways of specific natural selections and evolution/s. We've seen that an organic species can be and have been manufactured, with the Angara. (Just as we've seen that Mass Relays were created for a specific purpose.) If specific technology was being left around to be discovered... It's likely that, similarly to technology, some forms of bio material were also specifically engineered. Just another insuring factor that the paths the Founding species wanted to be followed, would be. Codes of genetic material were likely planted along worlds so that after a while of evolution/natural selection, you'd see more of a particular species advancing. That same strand of DNA is probably found in Turians, Asari, Salarians, Humans, Angara, Quarians, The Founding Species, etc. and a number of plants... but plant life rarely ... Acts as non plant-life does . . . (The Thorian was likely carrying the same Genetic material. Although, natural selection saw to it being a stationary species. It effectively didn't do much of anything for a long time, with the sentience that it had... Which is why we don't see a bunch of strange plant blobs living out as the human-like Council species do.) In order for more energy to be conserved for advanced higher thought processes (Thinking Biotic Levels...) exterior mobility of a life form would need to cost the least amount of energy as possible. Freeing up more over all energy for mass effect stuff via the subject's brain. (But as seen with something like the Thorian, movement would still be required to explore, and find other pieces of the puzzle, to eventually end up being battery juice for the founding-species 'Live forever Reaper' capsules. ) So in conclusion, a Bipedal species would be the most effective life form, to develop in the way that the Founding-species would expect and require for their inevitable harvest (preformed by their Reapers.) . . . < _ < Hmm. Well, it's possible but I don't think the Reapers seed planted similar dna on multiple worlds. Which is fine, as that's a bit too Prometheus for me. I think they just have the tech there and expect after thousands of years this technology can be easily found by a spacefaring species. The races mobility probably doesn't really matter to the Reapers. As for the Jardaan and Kett it's a different story. I think seeing how far their genetic manipulation can go is interesting. It's similar to Reapers, but different at the same time. I could see the Jardaan seeding dna, and I can see the Kett doing really twisted stuff with dna.
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Post by kaedion on Dec 24, 2018 0:30:04 GMT
Hmm. Well, it's possible but I don't think the Reapers seed planted similar dna on multiple worlds. Which is fine, as that's a bit too Prometheus for me. I think they just have the tech there and expect after thousands of years this technology can be easily found by a spacefaring species. The races mobility probably doesn't really matter to the Reapers. As for the Jardaan and Kett it's a different story. I think seeing how far their genetic manipulation can go is interesting. It's similar to Reapers, but different at the same time. I could see the Jardaan seeding dna, and I can see the Kett doing really twisted stuff with dna. ... Okay... Again... Never said the Reapers were responsible. Of course, nothing really matters to the Reapers other than fulfilling the duty they were created for. A primitive species isn't harvestable. Bipedal lifeforms are biologically superior on energy conservation, thus a lot more of them are likely to advance mentally, in order to get to the point required to be harvested. Because they have more energy to put towards developing their brains, rather than putting energy towards functioning their multiple limbs. Kett are very similar to Collectors. And Collectors were just indoctrinated husks of Protheans, taken from the previous harvest. The Jardaan may as well be the Founding-species under one of the many titles given to them by other species. Or at least, the Jardaan came very close to precisely mimicking the Founding-species.
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Post by 10k on Dec 24, 2018 20:08:40 GMT
I would have loved more screen time for the yahg. By far my favorite non-human race. The fight in LoTSB was epic and the story peaked my interest around this species. I still don't know how BW came up with this beauty and left it behind, for this. Which is, IMO, a rehash of the drell.
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