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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 20, 2018 8:35:04 GMT
It's called making Star Gazer canon and the little midget soldier guy goes on to find the real story (remake), which you the player then enjoy playing through after he touches a beacon and it gives him visions from the past.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 20, 2018 12:34:34 GMT
The guy says the details have changed over time. Those details could be anything. I'm sure the story that was told to him is different from the story he told the kid. If Bioware were to make a sequel to ME3, it wouldn't be hard to do.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 20, 2018 14:31:54 GMT
None of the endings are true.
As the Stargazer said, many of the details have been lost.
There was no Starbrat, no RGB, no ginormous magic wand.
Nobody knows what happened or how Shepard defeated the Reapers.
But whatever happened fragmented the galaxy, isolating large swathes of it, rewrote political boundaries, creating a NEW Milky Way to explore.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 20, 2018 21:21:06 GMT
Yeah. I don’t think it’s that hard to write a all roads lead to Rome story for the next game if it’s set far enough in the future. Finding the true history tired to your save game might be a interesting twist.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 20, 2018 21:38:32 GMT
Yeah. I don’t think it’s that hard to write a all roads lead to Rome story for the next game if it’s set far enough in the future. Finding the true history tired to your save game might be a interesting twist. Only if MEHEM can be accounted for
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 20, 2018 22:44:32 GMT
Yeah. I don’t think it’s that hard to write a all roads lead to Rome story for the next game if it’s set far enough in the future. Finding the true history tired to your save game might be a interesting twist. The question isn't whether it can be done. The question is whether it would be any good. Whenever I see an attempt at this, it ends up having all the disadvantages of imposing a canon ending without any of the advantages.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 20, 2018 23:04:42 GMT
Yeah. I don’t think it’s that hard to write a all roads lead to Rome story for the next game if it’s set far enough in the future. Finding the true history tired to your save game might be a interesting twist. The question isn't whether it can be done. The question is whether it would be any good. Whenever I see an attempt at this, it ends up having all the disadvantages of imposing a canon ending without any of the advantages. I don’t disagree. Heck even if well written my question is more if you jump far enough in the future that you can avoid canon conflicts is there any point in being in the Milky Way as almost nothing from the original trilogy would exist anyways and at that point why not andromeda. If you are effectively starting from scratch there is no benefit to the Milky Way. The only value to the Milky Way is it’s setting and you only keep that if it’s a small time jump at best which would mean a cannon ending. I don’t think most purchasers would care but the ultra dedicated still on forums would have a high % of people that would. My point wasn’t that it’s something they should do but that it could easily be done in a coherent fashion. That might not be a good or fun story, but it would make sense.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 21, 2018 0:55:32 GMT
The question isn't whether it can be done. The question is whether it would be any good. Whenever I see an attempt at this, it ends up having all the disadvantages of imposing a canon ending without any of the advantages. I don’t disagree. Heck even if well written my question is more if you jump far enough in the future that you can avoid canon conflicts is there any point in being in the Milky Way as almost nothing from the original trilogy would exist anyways and at that point why not andromeda. If you are effectively starting from scratch there is no benefit to the Milky Way. The only value to the Milky Way is it’s setting and you only keep that if it’s a small time jump at best which would mean a cannon ending. I don’t think most purchasers would care but the ultra dedicated still on forums would have a high % of people that would. My point wasn’t that it’s something they should do but that it could easily be done in a coherent fashion. That might not be a good or fun story, but it would make sense. Well, the Old Republic stories take place thousands of years before the Star Wars movies, books, etc. Doesn't seem to hurt anything.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 21, 2018 2:19:21 GMT
I don’t disagree. Heck even if well written my question is more if you jump far enough in the future that you can avoid canon conflicts is there any point in being in the Milky Way as almost nothing from the original trilogy would exist anyways and at that point why not andromeda. If you are effectively starting from scratch there is no benefit to the Milky Way. The only value to the Milky Way is it’s setting and you only keep that if it’s a small time jump at best which would mean a cannon ending. I don’t think most purchasers would care but the ultra dedicated still on forums would have a high % of people that would. My point wasn’t that it’s something they should do but that it could easily be done in a coherent fashion. That might not be a good or fun story, but it would make sense. Well, the Old Republic stories take place thousands of years before the Star Wars movies, books, etc. Doesn't seem to hurt anything. Sure, but they were well written and for me at least they are removed enough they are more a mass effect Andromeda than a mass effect 4. I guess the galaxy does feel more like the star wars galaxy than what MEA feels like a continuation of mass effect, so I see your point. It can be done well. Not sure if they would do it right, while I enjoyed their last 2 games they did not wow me with the story writing.
I'm not opposed to a retcon or a cannon pick or a far future pick(which yes given the star gazer lines could include a MEHEM past though I'm not a fan of MEHEM), but I also liked MEA enough for a game one that I'd be fine with a MEA2. I'd prefer a new protagonist in MEA2 but I'm cool with it with the same ryder. Assuming they wanted to rewrite the OT with a coherent narrative and lore I'd be fine with a remake though its probably lowest on my list as I kind of believe living with what we got. rewriting it would feel weird to the stories already told.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 21, 2018 2:24:14 GMT
None of the endings are true. As the Stargazer said, many of the details have been lost. There was no Starbrat, no RGB, no ginormous magic wand. Nobody knows what happened or how Shepard defeated the Reapers. But whatever happened fragmented the galaxy, isolating large swathes of it, rewrote political boundaries, creating a NEW Milky Way to explore. Sounds like a job for an explorer of unopened relays or 'Pathfinder' if you will.....
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Post by ahglock on Nov 21, 2018 22:09:33 GMT
None of the endings are true. As the Stargazer said, many of the details have been lost. There was no Starbrat, no RGB, no ginormous magic wand. Nobody knows what happened or how Shepard defeated the Reapers. But whatever happened fragmented the galaxy, isolating large swathes of it, rewrote political boundaries, creating a NEW Milky Way to explore. Sounds like a job for an explorer of unopened relays or 'Pathfinder' if you will..... They already use that title for people who follow behind others discovering what has already been found.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 23, 2018 1:10:44 GMT
There is but to many people would get but hurt over it so no.
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Post by Phantom on Nov 23, 2018 1:53:15 GMT
There is but to many people would get but hurt over it so no. Fans will be butthurt regardless of what Bioware does. The best and worst things about Bioware are their fans.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 23, 2018 8:38:38 GMT
There is but to many people would get but hurt over it so no. Fans will be butthurt regardless of what Bioware does. The best and worst things about Bioware are their fans. The best thing about Biowares is their Mass Effect trilogy. The worst thing about them is their trilogy ending. One doesn't negate the other though, they are as terrible as they are brilliant and talented. *Sips scotch* *Smokes pipe*
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 23, 2018 18:40:56 GMT
There is but to many people would get but hurt over it so no. Fans will be butthurt regardless of what Bioware does. The best and worst things about Bioware are their fans.
Which is why BioWare (hell all media companies) should stop listening to their fans, because it almost NEVER leads to anything good, and in the rare times it does lead to something cool and new that actually HELPS the franchise move forward the typical angry fan backlash pretty much makes the next game/movie/book/whatever a huge boring step backwards that is mostly filled with pandering fanservice that is often considered an inferior product.
So no Milky Way return.
For it's MEA2 or nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 18:57:25 GMT
Fans will be butthurt regardless of what Bioware does. The best and worst things about Bioware are their fans.
Which is why BioWare (hell all media companies) should stop listening to their fans, because it almost NEVER leads to anything good, and in the rare times it does lead to something cool and new that actually HELPS the franchise move forward the typical angry fan backlash pretty much makes the next game/movie/book/whatever a huge boring step backwards that is mostly filled with pandering fanservice that is often considered an inferior product.
So no Milky Way return.
For it's MEA2 or nothing.
So basically don't listen to you right?
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Post by Phantom on Nov 23, 2018 21:08:12 GMT
Fans will be butthurt regardless of what Bioware does. The best and worst things about Bioware are their fans.
Which is why BioWare (hell all media companies) should stop listening to their fans, because it almost NEVER leads to anything good, and in the rare times it does lead to something cool and new that actually HELPS the franchise move forward the typical angry fan backlash pretty much makes the next game/movie/book/whatever a huge boring step backwards that is mostly filled with pandering fanservice that is often considered an inferior product.
So no Milky Way return.
For it's MEA2 or nothing.
what if they actually go back to the Milk Way? are you their boss? do you realize that in order to make money, they have to get feedback from Fans? do you realize that many fans are stubborn? For example, I have three Possible Player characters are not Shepard that Bioware can used but I would be surprised that they use them or a variant of them. Cerberus Phantom Commander, C-Sec Officer and a Volus Infiltrator are 3 possible Player characters that are usable for the Milk Way Galaxy. Also keep in mind that Milk Way galaxy has a very large population for those species and Factions. there are many other possible player characters that other players would like to play as. You have to realize that any sensible Company do need to balance older players like myself and others on this forum while attracting new players. There is nothing wrong with Andromeda but not everyone was in love with Andromeda like you are. Companies like Bioware do need to make money to make more games. In order to make money, they have to listen to their fans in order to see what direction they need to take. Companies can't afford to be stuck in one mode or way of thinking to make money to appease a small group of fans. For Example, I am one of the Fans that disagree with the move to make Revan an NPC with in The Old Republic due to the fact that Revan and the Jedi Exile is un-needed to make The Old Republic work and be successful. I do understand why some fans wants to see Jedi Exile and Revan again even as NPC. Also I am a fan of the Silent Protagonist over Voiced Protagonist but I understood why they went with a Voiced Protagonist in the Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect series.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 23, 2018 21:41:46 GMT
Fans will be butthurt regardless of what Bioware does. The best and worst things about Bioware are their fans.
Which is why BioWare (hell all media companies) should stop listening to their fans, because it almost NEVER leads to anything good, and in the rare times it does lead to something cool and new that actually HELPS the franchise move forward the typical angry fan backlash pretty much makes the next game/movie/book/whatever a huge boring step backwards that is mostly filled with pandering fanservice that is often considered an inferior product.
So no Milky Way return.
For it's MEA2 or nothing.
"Bioware shouldn't listen to any fans but me!"
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 24, 2018 0:30:23 GMT
Which is why BioWare (hell all media companies) should stop listening to their fans, because it almost NEVER leads to anything good, and in the rare times it does lead to something cool and new that actually HELPS the franchise move forward the typical angry fan backlash pretty much makes the next game/movie/book/whatever a huge boring step backwards that is mostly filled with pandering fanservice that is often considered an inferior product.
So no Milky Way return.
For it's MEA2 or nothing.
"Bioware shouldn't listen to any fans but me!" Meh. Kinda expect comments like that from cyberstrike. So it's not really surprising.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 24, 2018 1:24:05 GMT
There is but to many people would get but hurt over it so no. Fuck 'em I say! Fuck 'em and do a thing. A unique thing.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 24, 2018 13:37:54 GMT
There is but to many people would get but hurt over it so no. Fuck 'em I say! Fuck 'em and do a thing. A unique thing. I agree but seems like I'm in a minority
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 24, 2018 13:38:31 GMT
There is but to many people would get but hurt over it so no. Fans will be butthurt regardless of what Bioware does. The best and worst things about Bioware are their fans. True but that is why they went with Andromeda even though they created massive plot holes not only in ME:A but also in the OT.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 13:55:26 GMT
They already got around the ME3 multiple ending problem. We went to Andromeda. They have already advanced the timeline by more than 600 years and preserved the species in the original state. Anything that happened in the Milky Way can be "over-written" by a subsequent catastrophic event that occurred in the 600 years we've been away. We can now return to the Milky Way to find out, through data logs, what happened in ME3 (per our own decisions) and then what happened afterwards that would bring the state of the Milky Way galaxy to a single "default" state. The star gazer in ME3 could even turn out to be Ryder relaying to his/her child what he/she learned about Shepard upon returning to the Milky Way... and yes, the details were lost in time (due to whatever catastrophic event brought the Milky Way to a single state regardless of what decision Shepard actually made). Maybe the game after the next game could be about how, a small number of Initiative people returned to the Milky Way and retook the galaxy from the Yahg, who had advanced over those 600+ years to become as powerful as the Protheans once were. Overwhelming odds and a battle for the old home front.
The people who were butt hurt by that are already butt hurt, so let them stay butt hurt. Bioware should just continue on with they're plans which included (according to Mac Walters) returning to the Milky Way eventually. There's no point in Bioware abandoning Andromeda now just to make a whole different group of their fans butt hurt. The people who were so miffed about going to Andromeda that they effectively memed an OK game to death will stay butt hurt even if Bioware tried pandering to them now. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by Obadiah on Nov 24, 2018 18:52:48 GMT
To the original post, yeah, but if they try to just appease fan complaints about ME3 ending then the new story has a good chance of being lame.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 24, 2018 19:02:14 GMT
It's called making Star Gazer canon and the little midget soldier guy goes on to find the real story (remake), which you the player then enjoy playing through after he touches a beacon and it gives him visions from the past. This has been brought up before. Problem is, as I see it, that we'll be outright getting a remake of the MET. Once you open the door to things not being concrete, we may as well throw out everything. The trilogy itself is no longer canon since every detail is up for grabs. I know a lot of people are in for a remake but understand that that's what you're asking for.
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