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Post by linksocarina on Dec 1, 2018 20:36:49 GMT
A remaster of previous DA games in Frostbite 3 wouldn't be bad, tho all mods would need to be remade, there are almost 4k mods with DAO and DA2 combined. Id pay for Dragon Age 2 remasters with cut content...
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 1, 2018 20:37:38 GMT
Done means done. And if they have even minor/smaller roles it means that their stories aren't done yet. No it doesn´t. A small Cameo from Divine Victoria doesn´t bring something new on the table. Is just "Hello how are you?" situation. We aren't talking about cameos.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 1, 2018 20:43:57 GMT
We aren't talking about cameos. When their stories are done. Especially Leliana.
Charter will take her place in DA 4 (and beyond)
And Cassandra? Divine Victoria Cameo maybe but nothing major.
Like i said their stories are done but not the Inquisition itself.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 1, 2018 20:46:32 GMT
We aren't talking about cameos. When their stories are done. Especially Leliana.
Charter will take her place in DA 4 (and beyond)
And Cassandra? Divine Victoria Cameo maybe but nothing major.
Like i said their stories are done but not the Inquisition itself.
Their stores might be done. We don't know for sure yet where Bioware will take their characters. I agree with midnight tea that the remainders of the Inquisition involve many of these characters and that may draw them back into the story.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 20:48:02 GMT
I want Cass to do the VA for the trailer but otherwise spot on. Why? Her story is done and she is Divine Victoria in most world states.
I think if there the teaser has VA is either Solas, Dorian or Lace Harding. My money is on Dorian.
I'm going to bet on Solas, because if you're going to wake your fandom from a long four-year slumber, at least make it worth their time. Or mine, anyway.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 1, 2018 20:50:28 GMT
Done means done. And if they have even minor/smaller roles it means that their stories aren't done yet. No it doesn´t. A small Cameo from Divine Victoria doesn´t bring something new on the table. Is just "Hello how are you?" situation.
I don't think it's time for a break for most of the cast. Maybe Leliana. Granted we probably won't see much of the Inquisition cast but Cullen is a fan favorite. Many characters are fan favorites. I love Varric but is really enough. There a lot of characters who deverse it more than Cullen, Leliana, Varric to come back. Bioware can´t bring all back. So yeah i prefer for example Shale over Cullen even Varric.
Myself (good discussion by the way) I think oh fart? that kid from DAO what was he? the dreamer the human Elf. just a hunch since he did go to Tevinter to control his dreams I believe he could show up in the next installment of DA and Morrigan's kid could play a part in the next go around also as for Cass. Leliana and Vivian well that depends on Bioware and writing the dialog for each toon since it is a major story line. Varic can still tell the story just not participate in the story he is telling.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 1, 2018 20:52:21 GMT
We aren't talking about cameos. When their stories are done. Especially Leliana.
Charter will take her place in DA 4 (and beyond)
And Cassandra? Divine Victoria Cameo maybe but nothing major.
Like i said their stories are done but not the Inquisition itself.
Only the story of Inquisition that remains so far is the story of Inquisitor, Harding AND Leliana AND Cassandra as clearly those who lead it. In other words - if Inquisition isn't done it means THEY aren't done. What will be the extent of their roles in the future remains to be seen - but what Trespasser has shown us is that they left enough of an opening to have them in the story, probably as major players (even if they're players steering stuff from behind).
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 1, 2018 20:54:58 GMT
Obviously DA4 trailer will be narrated by Sandal. Possible candidates are Solas, Dorian, Mythal (not Flemeth), Inquisitor, The Architect.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 1, 2018 21:00:04 GMT
Obviously DA4 trailer will be narrated by Sandal. Possible candidates are Solas, Dorian, Mythal (not Flemeth), Inquisitor, The Architect. Oh, it'd be hilarious if we got a trailer which would be like 'Wanna know what DA4 is about?'... and then Sandal shows up on screen and screams "ENCHANTMENT!' for 5 minutes. .....You all know Bioware is capable of this.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 1, 2018 21:01:29 GMT
Obviously DA4 trailer will be narrated by Sandal. Possible candidates are Solas, Dorian, Mythal (not Flemeth), Inquisitor, The Architect. Oh, it'd be hilarious if we got a trailer which would be like 'Wanna know what DA4 is about?'... and then Sandal shows up on screen and screams "ENCHANTMENT!' for 5 minutes. .....You all know Bioware is capable of this. Or when describing Solas’ plan to remove the Veil as “Boom”.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 1, 2018 21:01:30 GMT
Obviously DA4 trailer will be narrated by Sandal. Possible candidates are Solas, Dorian, Mythal (not Flemeth), Inquisitor, The Architect. Oh, it'd be hilarious if we got a trailer which would be like 'Wanna know what DA4 is about?'... and then Sandal shows up on screen and screams "ENCHANTMENT!' for 5 minutes. .....You all know Bioware is capable of this.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 1, 2018 21:14:05 GMT
As for the discussion about returning characters, I could see the cast of DAI showing up since most are with the secret Inquisition. Perhaps not super major parts, but I can see something along the lines of what Bioware did in ME3 at least.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 1, 2018 21:45:55 GMT
Their stores might be done. We don't know for sure yet where Bioware will take their characters. I agree with midnight tea that the remainders of the Inquisition involve many of these characters and that may draw them back into the story. I assume we all have played all the DA Games and the DLCs, right? Its a pattern through all of them that Bioware in most cases the easist road. If a character have different fates and could potential be killed when this character won´t used that much. For Leliana and Anders Bioware made an exception and some players hated this decision.
Edit Major Returning Characters through the DA Games
For DAA Bioware brought Oghren back. DA 2 Anders, Isabela and Merrill and DAI Varric, Cassandra, Cullen, Leliana, Morrigan and Corypheus.
Bioware likes it easy. Edit: Maybe Hawke wasn´t that easy.
Charter wasn´t originally recreated to replace Leliana but in the comics and in the Trespasser Epilogue is establish that Charter took over Lelianas DAI role. So why do we need another Leliana appearance if Lelianas previous function is filled in with Carter?
Same goes for Cassandra. We don´t know who is her replacement but it would´t be really a surprise that she gets one.
Maybe Lace Harding is the new Cassandra if you will. In most world states and the Bioware´s own canon she is Divine Victoria. I don´t think that the Divine will get more screentime than the ruler of Ferelden.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 1, 2018 21:54:33 GMT
The only major character (besides Solas) I'd be interested in seeing return is Dorian. Largely because DA4 is hinted at being set in Tevinter, and his state as of the end of DAI isn't in quite such a quantum state as, say, Alistair. He's always alive, always a magister, etc. Baggage would be minimal.
I could also see a couple of minor characters returning, Lace Harding, for example, as a connection to the Inquisition.
But ultimately, I'd like to have as clean a slate as possible.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 1, 2018 22:03:00 GMT
I could also see a couple of minor characters returning, Lace Harding, for example, as a connection to the Inquisition. I honestly believe that Harding is our Bridge Companion this time in DA 4. If you will she is the new DAA Oghren, DA 2 Anders or DAI Varric.
Dorian would have more the advisor or very important NPC role. Edit: And how could forget Sten? He also will likely play a major role as the new Arishok.
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Post by nanotm on Dec 1, 2018 22:14:48 GMT
The only major character (besides Solas) I'd be interested in seeing return is Dorian. Largely because DA4 is hinted at being set in Tevinter, and his state as of the end of DAI isn't in quite such a quantum state as, say, Alistair. He's always alive, always a magister, etc. Baggage would be minimal. I could also see a couple of minor characters returning, Lace Harding, for example, as a connection to the Inquisition. But ultimately, I'd like to have as clean a slate as possible. easy enough for them to do, just set it 5 years in the future, we already know Solas wont be in there since Flemeth killed him, during the cutscene, we also have found out that the veil was used to cut off the other elven gods from mortals so now the veil has been sundered there is a chance that some of hte other elven gods could show up or that the elves could rise up against the tevinter again since their power has been brought back of course this gives a great opportunity for them to return a few characters from earlier games including that tevinter hating elf with the hammer from DA2 (forgot his name) alongside some of the character from DAI (although most of them should be either long lived elves /dwarves or really old and decrepit being only as advisors) would be perhaps better to start with a mostly clean slate though and have the new game run either hundreds of years before the events of DAI or 50+ years after it, they could even make it contain several of the same maps as the older games but focusing on better content so your not forced to wander over ever inch of the map with your party just to hear all the conversation choices (like let them ride alongside you so its not mostly boring stuff with a bit of action hear and there) doesnt really matter if its a game i'll get it anyway (and I dont mind if they chose to do a few more of those animation movies to bridge the gaps in time and scene setting like they did with DAI) and so long as its not completely full of idiocy like some of the conversations in MEA i'll probably like it a lot (the game play in MEA was actually pretty good certainly better than some of the previous ones that crashed when you tried to use your special ability...)
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 1, 2018 22:24:27 GMT
I love Inquisition, but I hated Casey's previous games (especially ME2), so I'm hopeful, but not optimistic. Casey is in a different role now... He's BioWare's General Manager, not Dragon Age's Game Director. The new Creative Director for Dragon Age appears to be Matthew Goldman if the credits in the Dragon Age Deception comics are anything to go by. Yes, but Casey's statements regarding ME2's design suggested he was 100% behind making Shepard an NPC rather than someone the player controlled. And since DA has already done that once (Hawke), I have no reason to believe that design is off the table.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 1, 2018 22:34:40 GMT
we already know Solas wont be in there since Flemeth killed him, during the cutscene Er, what?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 1, 2018 22:34:49 GMT
Oh, it'd be hilarious if we got a trailer which would be like 'Wanna know what DA4 is about?'... and then Sandal shows up on screen and screams "ENCHANTMENT!' for 5 minutes. .....You all know Bioware is capable of this. Ok, where's the dislike button? I've found a use for it. Also, put me down as a vote for the story threads, and any relevant characters, from Inquisition continuing in DA4. I'm basically thinking of DA4 as DAI pt 2 right now, given how Trespasser ended.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 1, 2018 22:50:57 GMT
we already know Solas wont be in there since Flemeth killed him, during the cutscene Er, what? Maybe they have a version of the game from an alternate universe where Trespasser is about finding Flemeth?
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 1, 2018 22:58:51 GMT
Their stores might be done. We don't know for sure yet where Bioware will take their characters. I agree with midnight tea that the remainders of the Inquisition involve many of these characters and that may draw them back into the story. I assume we all have played all the DA Games and the DLCs, right? Its a pattern through all of them that Bioware in most cases the easist road. If a character have different fates and could potential be killed when this character won´t used that much. For Leliana and Anders Bioware made an exception and some players hated this decision. Edit Major Returning Characters through the DA Games
For DAA Bioware brought Oghren back. DA 2 Anders, Isabela and Merrill and DAI Varric, Cassandra, Cullen, Leliana, Morrigan and Corypheus.
Bioware likes it easy. Edit: Maybe Hawke wasn´t that easy. Sorry, but... what patterns? If anything, the one consistent pattern with Dragon Age is that don't have that many patterns and that they're willing to go against them. HOF not coming back in the next game? OK, but Hawke comes back as NPC - and they're not adamantly ruling out Inquisitor coming back at some capacity (as strongly hinted at by last DLC). Dead companions? Heck, Wynne died BEFORE she was even our companion. Death ain't necessarily permanent in Thedas. Multiple different quantum states? A fair obstacle, but one that they still managed to get around both in DA and ME, as you've already pointed out. It's not a 'hard limitation' as stated by the current Lead Writer in this interview: Well, hang on - it's stated in the epilogue that Leliana GROOMS Charter, Harding and some other character as her successors, but not that they BECAME her successors yet. Um... because Leliana is Leliana. The fact that Charter may replace her as spymaster for reformed Inquisition doesn't mean that Charter can replace Leliana as a character. And a well-established one at that.
Leli has been, more than once, suggested to be - maybe, perhaps - more than what she is: be it with her prophetic dreams in DAO or the weird lyrium ghost thing in DAI. Nevermind all her history, her parallels to other characters (*cough*Solas*cough*), her history as Left Hand Of The Divine or even becoming an effing Divine. Charter can't replace that.
Nobody here said anywhere that either Leliana or Cassandra will reprise exactly the same roles as they did before. That doesn't stop them from having different, but no less weighty roles.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 1, 2018 23:47:25 GMT
Sorry, but... what patterns? If anything, the one consistent pattern with Dragon Age is that don't have that many patterns and that they're willing to go against them. For example have you played Awakening? Of course you do.
So why was Oghren the only major returning character / companion? What about Alistair or Loghain? Why didn´t return as Companions they are Wardens. Because Alistair (drunk, Warden, King, dead) and Loghain (Warden or dead) have different fates that prevents to return as important characters. Oghren was beside the Dog (as seen in Witch Hunt) the easiest companion to bring back. No Romance and only Two Fates with or without Felsi. The Felsi relationship and its possible death were retconed in DAA.
Its not impossible but Bioware likes it easy.
Same goes with Varric. Why did return from all the Companions? And not for example Merrill? Because he was the easiest. He couldn´t die and he was no previous romance. The only proble was his red lyrium fragment but Bioware weakened this DA 2 decision and made its not that important for Varric as it seems. Sorry but did Hawke had different fates after DA 2? No but after DAI Hawke had. So its very unlikely that Hawke will make a return in DA 4.
And the Inquisitor did she/her has different fates after Trespasser? Maybe in Trespasser Epilogue but nothing groundbreaking that prevent him/her for making an appearance. Really? This is your argument? But if we stay with Wynne. Well she only got an Cameo in DAA and thats it. So why was Wynne not a returning companion in DAA? I don´t think that her role in the Asunder novel counts because this had its one canon. I don´t know where exactly (Magekiller Thread?) but Mark Darrah answered an fan question why they used Charter instead of Leliana with Charter in Magekiller.
She had replaced Lelianas previous function in the franchise because Leliana had so many fates so they establish Charter as the dominant Inquisition Spymaster from Lelianas successors (Harding, Charter and Hector) and it makes thing for future storytelling so much easier. So why should Bioware use Leliana and Cassandra in more prominent role if they can use characters who were so much easier to write? Leliana and to some extent Cassandra have a lot of baggage that Characters like Harding and Charter didn´t have.
So why take the hard road if you could have it a lot easier?
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Post by fredvdp on Dec 2, 2018 11:54:17 GMT
Dragon Age: Deceiver or Dragon Age: Age of the Spirit. I'm predicting Dragon Age: Rebellion. Fen'Harel was a rebel and the next game will probably take place in Tevinter, so I think we might see a slave rebellion. The more straightforward option would be Dragon Age: Dread Wolf.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 2, 2018 13:29:55 GMT
A remaster of previous DA games in Frostbite 3 wouldn't be bad, tho all mods would need to be remade, there are almost 4k mods with DAO and DA2 combined. Id pay for Dragon Age 2 remasters with cut content... It’d be torn on that, just because it’d make me wonder how things would be different if they had enough development time to work on DA2 back then. Regardless of certain design choices that’s might’ve been still criticized, I don’t think it’d have been seen as negatively as it was, and Bioware would’ve likely followed with their original idea of having Hawke as the Inquisitor. I love having the choice of customizable races for the MC, but even setting aside how it was implemented in DAI, I don’t think the Inquisition idea mashed well with that feature, and various relationships and situations in the game would’ve worked better with Hawke as the Inquisitor (among all the rivalry with Corypheus).
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