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Post by correctamundo on Dec 8, 2018 23:33:57 GMT
Well, I just tried to post in the BSN thread on the alpha forum and the site ate my post after telling me the load was too large or some other BS. You should be able to post in there now.
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Post by link2twenty on Dec 8, 2018 23:43:55 GMT
Sofajockey you get everywhere :-P
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Post by Beerfish on Dec 8, 2018 23:46:56 GMT
While, yes, a library being deleted is harsh, this is our current reality. Even games on disc have usually online components, so you are tied by umbilical cord to the developers. Don’t want your library deleted? Don’t breaks NDA. Or don’t participate in the alpha. I look forward to our future, where harsh criticisms of companies and offensive language delivered at other players is considered an account deleting offense. It won't be just a matter of Battlefield 5 censoring stuff like talking about DLCs in the chat, or the word "Nazis" in a game where you're actually shooting nazis. Because the next step up from censorship is punishment, and now companies hold your entire library of games hostage. This is way out there. The most misused word in the English language? Censorship. My response to breaking an NDA after signing and consequences? Tough freaking luck.
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Post by Obadiah on Dec 8, 2018 23:56:16 GMT
Somewhere in the agreement that you click "OK" to when installing almost ANY software is some verbiage saying that you purchased a license, and do not actually own the software. I've always thought that was complete BS, but this is where it logically leads - companies revoking your license, possibly to all s/w you bought from them because you broke rule X.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 9, 2018 0:13:31 GMT
NDAs are serious business and companies will hold you accountable if you sign them and then violate them. To me this person got off easy, I have signed agreements in the past that I would be held responsible for any calculated damage to the finances of the place I worked based on anything I might give away breaking the NDA which would have destroyed me financially and cost me everything I own.
It does hurt losing his entire library, but EA wanted to make sure it hurt so people wouldn't violate the NDA.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 9, 2018 0:27:48 GMT
Sofajockey you get everywhere :-P
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 9, 2018 0:59:15 GMT
Managed to make time to play for a couple of hours during the second session today. I'll try to do the same tomorrow as well.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 9, 2018 3:14:23 GMT
The question is whether your entire library of games, which can easily total many thousands of dollars, should be leveraged to enforce what the company considers to be desirable behaviour in people who play their games? In this case you can make an argument that the punishment is fair, but I'm uncomfortable with the precedent and where this can lead. in the terms of this actual event I wouldn't be surprised if EA had one of their employees do this as a marketing stunt to prove how serious they are, since it clearly states they can terminate your account, having just your games removed instead of being banned from origin seems a very lightweight move in terms of enforcing the NDA agreement, I like the way this one thinks. The whole world is a stage, after all.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 9, 2018 4:01:34 GMT
This is why I don't like DRM. Forget whether you think they deserve this or not, the ability for companies to delete your entire library at a whim is yet another slippery slope I don't want to head down. This goes waaaaay beyond DRM. This goes to the whole, "You don't own software that you pay for, you only license it, and licenses are revocable." I essentially agree that, in the long run, this is a bad business practice. It's likely to cause more civil lawsuits in the other direction (customer to business) than the protective value of the NDA is worth. On the other hand, making an example of someone with a draconian punishment probably is going to have the desired chilling effect on other leakers. Assuming the punishment news spreads quickly enough.
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Post by nanotm on Dec 9, 2018 13:04:49 GMT
This is why I don't like DRM. Forget whether you think they deserve this or not, the ability for companies to delete your entire library at a whim is yet another slippery slope I don't want to head down. This goes waaaaay beyond DRM. This goes to the whole, "You don't own software that you pay for, you only license it, and licenses are revocable." I essentially agree that, in the long run, this is a bad business practice. It's likely to cause more civil lawsuits in the other direction (customer to business) than the protective value of the NDA is worth. On the other hand, making an example of someone with a draconian punishment probably is going to have the desired chilling effect on other leakers. Assuming the punishment news spreads quickly enough. it happened that fast and an official bioware account posted an edited version of the vid way to fast for it not to have been staged, everyone on the alpha was talking about the guy who got banned from the random folks in random forum groups to twitter everyone was all "dont break the NDA look what they did to this dick!" doesnt stop it being funny as all hell mind you NDAs are serious business and companies will hold you accountable if you sign them and then violate them. To me this person got off easy, I have signed agreements in the past that I would be held responsible for any calculated damage to the finances of the place I worked based on anything I might give away breaking the NDA which would have destroyed me financially and cost me everything I own.It does hurt losing his entire library, but EA wanted to make sure it hurt so people wouldn't violate the NDA. I worked under and NDA for over 15 years, the kind where they just put holes in you & everyone close to you should you break the rules, every decade or so they prove the threats aren't idle speculation when some dumbass thinks a few quid will save them from the clearly spelled out punishments needlessly putting family and friends at risk for greed... gotta say of the two EA's approach seams the nicer of one I only edited to fix a couple of broken quote tags - didn't change nothin' - SofaJockey
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 9, 2018 14:08:43 GMT
Apparently there's more than one who have streamed and lost their contact with their Origin library.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 9, 2018 14:42:05 GMT
Apparently there's more than one who have streamed and lost their contact with their Origin library. It did amuse me how this got all very heated online about digital distribution and DRM.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 9, 2018 14:52:22 GMT
Well, let's be honest. If anyone streams the game, there will be some scumbag YouTuber (or even a professional gaming journalist) who'll present footage from the alpha as being representative of the final game, if not misrepresenting said footage as the final game. Andromeda proved that lowlifes pandering to the anti-BioWare crowd have literally no moral objections to manipulating and misrepresenting game footage for the sake of "women are 'ugly' in this game reeeeeeee" If anyone wants to break their NDA, especially as an attempt to harm the game, then screw 'em. They knew -- or should have known -- what they were signing up for. I think the guy was just ignorant of the NDA.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 9, 2018 14:55:01 GMT
How can you be ignorant, of something you had to agree to?
Question to the people here that are part of this alpha - was the NDA obvious to you? Was it appropriately flagged as something important, or was it just another page in a bunch of clicks?
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Post by smilesja on Dec 9, 2018 14:57:52 GMT
I don’t know he probably just skimmed through the NDA and signed it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 9, 2018 14:59:58 GMT
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 9, 2018 15:00:48 GMT
Question to the people here that are part of this alpha - was the NDA obvious to you? Was it appropriately flagged as something important, or was it just another page in a bunch of clicks? Staggering obvious to me, and reinforced in-game on login.
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Post by Talon on Dec 9, 2018 15:00:53 GMT
The bold font, all-caps "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL in the pre-Alpha email was pretty clear. If you read any of the material when you signed up, especially the linked agreements, it was painfully clear. People just don't think it applies to them.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 9, 2018 15:03:15 GMT
This is what I figured. So, smilesja, it is nice of you to be on this kid's side, but don't sugar-coat the obvious - it was poor thinking, "rules don't apply to me" thinking, that got this kid's games gone. Tough way to learn.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 9, 2018 18:00:49 GMT
How can you be ignorant, of something you had to agree to? Question to the people here that are part of this alpha - was the NDA obvious to you? Was it appropriately flagged as something important, or was it just another page in a bunch of clicks? To me it was obvious for every step of the way they were talking about it being confidential and there being a NDA attached. Even one of the agreements you agree to you had to scroll to the bottom of and only then you could hit the checkbox saying you read it.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 9, 2018 18:42:21 GMT
From the Twitter thread (thanks, Hrungr!)
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah So. The Alpha’s on. And I’m seeing some chatter about connectivity issues to the servers. 2 things: 1. This is one of the primary purposes of the test. 2. You are actually in violation of your NDA if you are publicly discussing issues you are having.
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Post by DragonRacer on Dec 9, 2018 18:47:23 GMT
Final session starts in about an hour and 10 minutes...
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Post by nanotm on Dec 9, 2018 19:07:29 GMT
I might try to get in on this last one just for more pew pew my weekend's been trashed by one of my kids getting out of hospital last night and still being pretty poorly with the good old kissing sickness>>>> was supposed to have just been me n the missus at home since they were all off to do other things on Friday night but as with all good plans reality kicks it to the curb fist chance it gets …
still I managed around an hour in last nights playtest and I liked what I saw of the game even if my connection was going up and down like a yo-yo
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Post by officerdonnz on Dec 9, 2018 19:37:59 GMT
I don’t know he probably just skimmed through the NDA and signed it. Most likely but should have known better. Hard way to learn. I admit I just skimmed it as well but I knew what the NDA was basically saying. You can't talk about the alpha period other than saying you're taking part.
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Post by chococri on Dec 10, 2018 0:56:18 GMT
I don't get it. What is the point of this thread if we can't share any kind of information
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