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Post by Queen Skadi on May 30, 2018 22:26:55 GMT
You are free to hate the latest incarnation of the Fallout series and if this new Fallout game sucks you are free to hate that as well, however I do think it is a little short sighted to be passing judgement on a game based on little more than rumour and speculation. Sure there is a chance that the new game might suck but there is also a chance that the new angle is just what the Fallout series needs, can't really know until we see more. That really isn't how things work, just because you bought a previous game in the series does not mean they are beholden to you to craft the games you want for all eternity. The way it works is they make the game they want to make and you decide whether or not you want to play that game and make your purchasing decision based on that. They are not required to make the game you want to play and you are not required to purchase it, your relationship with Bethesda exists purely on a game by game basis and if they stop producing the content you want to see then you stop purchasing that content. Now if we are arguing from a business point of view on whether it is smarter to create content that your current consumer base wants to see or whether it is smarter to strike out and do something different to attract a new more profitable audience then maybe you could argue it would be wiser to stick with their current audience, but in no way do Bethesda owe you or any of their other fans anything and if they want to go in a new direction that is entirely their prerogative. Didn't they confirm it already that this is an online game? For the info we are getting, you can't even play it on singleplayer mode alone at all. They do own us if they want to make money. Were is the profit in an alienated fanbase? They are free to do what they want, but the freedom to fail doesn't sound very appealing. If you really want to see a game franchise that properly renovated and tried new things, try God of War and Metro Exodus. I haven't seen any official confirmation from Bethesda on the multiplayer aspect and while the rumours may hold a fair bit of weight it is still not officially confirmed (at least as far as I know). Besides even if it was confirmed that this new Fallout is definitely multiplayer we still don't know much beyond that and even if it does go in a different direction you would think Bethesda fans would at least give the company the benefit of the doubt and see what the game actually is before poo pooing it. Technically appealing to you and you alone is not the only way to make money and even if the current fanbase does not appreciate the changes there may be another that does and are attracted into the franchise because of them, sure there is a risk involved there but I would rather developers take risks and try new things instead of just doing the same thing over and over again. In the end the game may be shit and nobody buys it costing Bethesda a lot of money (unlikely because Bethesda fans will usually buy anything with the Bethesda name attached) but that is their risk to take, if the game turns out to be shit then you have every right to say what you think of the game and call it a pile of shit, however you do not have the right to dictate what game companies should and should not create, Bethesda owes you nothing just as you owe them nothing, make your purchasing decisions on a game by game basis and if this new game does not appeal to you do not buy it. But at least see what the game is before you cry foul.
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Post by masterwarderz on May 30, 2018 22:47:44 GMT
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Post by themikefest on May 30, 2018 23:02:37 GMT
I'm sure at E3 more information will be revealed about Fallout 76. But I get the feeling that its the tip of the iceberg for Bethesda to have something bigger to announce. Like the next Skyrim. I only say that since if they do announce it, and it were to be released later this year, say November, that would be 7 years since Skyrim was released. Just a thought.
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Post by Pearl on May 30, 2018 23:40:15 GMT
I'm sure at E3 more information will be revealed about Fallout 76. But I get the feeling that its the tip of the iceberg for Bethesda to have something bigger to announce. Like the next Skyrim. I only say that since if they do announce it, and it were to be released later this year, say November, that would be 7 years since Skyrim was released. Just a thought. If this leak from December of last year is to be believed, that's not going to be the case. i.imgur.com/jBmqvxq.jpgUltimately we won't know for sure until E3, but I'm inclined to believe that this leaker is legit.
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Post by CHRrOME on May 30, 2018 23:54:16 GMT
I'm sure at E3 more information will be revealed about Fallout 76. But I get the feeling that its the tip of the iceberg for Bethesda to have something bigger to announce. Like the next Skyrim. I only say that since if they do announce it, and it were to be released later this year, say November, that would be 7 years since Skyrim was released. Just a thought. You mean the next Elder Scrolls. If Hines is to be believed, it's a long way off before the next installment though. If this leak from December of last year is to be believed, that's not going to be the case. i.imgur.com/jBmqvxq.jpgUltimately we won't know for sure until E3, but I'm inclined to believe that this leaker is legit. Yeah. Surely TESO is making them some good money, even though many of us couldn't care less about MMOs. Thing is, they release a new ES and they loose 90% of their player base in ESO, however someone who wants to play an ES game and is sick of previous titles, might just get interested in ESO at some point. It's win-win for them.
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Post by Queen Skadi on May 31, 2018 1:27:16 GMT
I'm sure at E3 more information will be revealed about Fallout 76. But I get the feeling that its the tip of the iceberg for Bethesda to have something bigger to announce. Like the next Skyrim. I only say that since if they do announce it, and it were to be released later this year, say November, that would be 7 years since Skyrim was released. Just a thought. If this leak from December of last year is to be believed, that's not going to be the case. i.imgur.com/jBmqvxq.jpgUltimately we won't know for sure until E3, but I'm inclined to believe that this leaker is legit. Makes sense considering the building aspect of Fallout 4 was arguably the most popular aspect of that game (or at least what most of the DLC was surrounding) so I guess there is a good chance that this could be a quick cash in using elements and assets from fallout 4 repurposed into a multiplayer spinoff. little surprised to see a AAA studio tackle this type of game as usually this is the domain of indie early access studios, then again considering how buggy Bethesda games usually are this could be the perfect fit for them.
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Post by Iakus on May 31, 2018 1:43:45 GMT
Gotta wonder how moddable this game will/won't be. The creation kits were always the biggest draw for me. Most of the stuff I get from Nexus are the Skyrim or Fallout mods.
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Post by decafhigh on May 31, 2018 3:00:31 GMT
Gotta wonder how moddable this game will/won't be. The creation kits were always the biggest draw for me. Most of the stuff I get from Nexus are the Skyrim or Fallout mods. Yeah I am trying to reserve judgement but the leaks aren't making it look promising. How they handle mod's for this game, and how integrated into the game the Creation Club is will be a big indicator of how they plan to make games moving forward (Starfield, TES6). CC has been a real hot mess, if they start moving toward making CC the only way to mod I'm out when it comes to Bethesda games.
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Post by Hrungr on May 31, 2018 3:47:23 GMT
Gotta wonder how moddable this game will/won't be. The creation kits were always the biggest draw for me. Most of the stuff I get from Nexus are the Skyrim or Fallout mods. Yeah I am trying to reserve judgement but the leaks aren't making it look promising. How they handle mod's for this game, and how integrated into the game the Creation Club is will be a big indicator of how they plan to make games moving forward (Starfield, TES6). CC has been a real hot mess, if they start moving toward making CC the only way to mod I'm out when it comes to Bethesda games. Bethesda's done some dumb things, but if they went that route, there'd be riots in the streets. The mod community is too big and too important to piss off to that extent.
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Post by JayKay on May 31, 2018 4:27:04 GMT
While I admit I was initially hoping for more of a single player spin-off story, much like Fallout New Vegas, if this is more of an online survivor multiplayer game, I'll be a bit bummed out, but if it's a fun experience, I might fiddle around with it. It would be a nice way to kind of scratch a bit of that Fallout itch while we wait for Fallout 5. Gotta wonder how moddable this game will/won't be. The creation kits were always the biggest draw for me. Most of the stuff I get from Nexus are the Skyrim or Fallout mods. If it is multiplayer, it would kind of have to be more limited, wouldn't it? Especially if there's a competitive aspect to it, that would just cause a lot of cheating and griefing more than anything.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 31, 2018 6:08:01 GMT
Gotta wonder how moddable this game will/won't be. The creation kits were always the biggest draw for me. Most of the stuff I get from Nexus are the Skyrim or Fallout mods. I go with: "Not at all" and pick: "MP" for the reason.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 31, 2018 6:20:49 GMT
Another multiplayer/online game? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Post by SofaJockey on May 31, 2018 6:56:21 GMT
Yesterday's hype train appears to have slowed somewhat...
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Post by henkiedepost on May 31, 2018 10:31:28 GMT
Yesterday's hype train appears to have slowed somewhat... It definitely has in my case. I was quite interested in the game after seeing the trailer but now that all the 'leaks' are popping up about the game being a "Rust-like clone" all the hype is gone. I want to reserve my judgement until I hear more about the game during E3 but I can't say I'm optimistic about this at all. Why does everything have to be multiplayer nowadays?
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 31, 2018 12:28:16 GMT
Yesterday's hype train appears to have slowed somewhat... It definitely has in my case. I was quite interested in the game after seeing the trailer but now that all the 'leaks' are popping up about the game being a "Rust-like clone" all the hype is gone. I want to reserve my judgement until I hear more about the game during E3 but I can't say I'm optimistic about this at all. Why does everything have to be multiplayer nowadays? That's where the casual gaming hordes lie and thus where the majority of the money is these days. We gamers that want more than just pew pew are in the minority.
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Post by CHRrOME on May 31, 2018 12:56:47 GMT
Gotta wonder how moddable this game will/won't be. The creation kits were always the biggest draw for me. Most of the stuff I get from Nexus are the Skyrim or Fallout mods. A lot are wondering the same. If it's on-line in any capacity it will be an obstacle for mods. Honestly, the only reason why I played and keep playing FO4 is because of mods, wouldn't bother otherwise. Yesterday's hype train appears to have slowed somewhat... What hype though? it was hype when they announced it on Twitter, after that shitshow of a stream everybody was angry if anything. One trailer that doesn't even say what the game is about and all we got are rumors? Lot of people are just furious.
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Post by wickedcool on May 31, 2018 13:03:33 GMT
Yesterday revived my interest in f4
2 questions
Why did they add another patch?
If I have the newest unofficial patch but don’t have the workshop dlc will my game crash (patch says you need all dlc)
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Post by SofaJockey on May 31, 2018 13:04:20 GMT
Lot of people are just furious. Yes, it's turning quite angsty, isn't it... Would seem that 'Conan Exiles' in vault-suits is not sitting so well as a concept.
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Post by decafhigh on May 31, 2018 13:15:41 GMT
Yeah I am trying to reserve judgement but the leaks aren't making it look promising. How they handle mod's for this game, and how integrated into the game the Creation Club is will be a big indicator of how they plan to make games moving forward (Starfield, TES6). CC has been a real hot mess, if they start moving toward making CC the only way to mod I'm out when it comes to Bethesda games. Bethesda's done some dumb things, but if they went that route, there'd be riots in the streets. The mod community is too big and too important to piss off to that extent. We've been saying things like that since pre-release of Skyrim when they first started talking about getting mod's to consoles. Yet they pushed ahead with mods on Steamworkshop anyway. They pushed ahead with Bethesda.theft anyway. They pushed ahead with the CC anyway. I don't think Bethesda particularly cares about the established mod'ing community if they think they are going to be able to sell millions of Pip-boy retextures to console players. At least they haven't acted like they care so far.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 31, 2018 13:23:47 GMT
Lot of people are just furious. Yes, it's turning quite angsty, isn't it... Would seem that 'Conan Exiles' in vault-suits is not sitting so well as a concept. If there's a good story with it, it won't be that bad. Conan Exile was good fun for 15 or so hours for me. Then I realized it was super repetitive and taking forever to farm more and more materials so getting the next level of gear wasn't enough motivation to keep playing.
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Post by Vortex13 on May 31, 2018 13:24:31 GMT
It definitely has in my case. I was quite interested in the game after seeing the trailer but now that all the 'leaks' are popping up about the game being a "Rust-like clone" all the hype is gone. I want to reserve my judgement until I hear more about the game during E3 but I can't say I'm optimistic about this at all. Why does everything have to be multiplayer nowadays? That's where the casual gaming hordes lie and thus where the majority of the money is these days. We gamers that want more than just pew pew are in the minority. I don't feel that multiplayer, in an of itself, is the issue here. After all, a Fallout title was possible with multiplayer over 17 years ago and it still had: RPG elements, character customization, a storyline, VATS, and all the other elements that made a Fallout game a Fallout game in Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel Just because multiplayer is present ≠the game will be a poor man's sellout of the classics that came before it. And I propose that any title can be made to have an engaging multiplayer element without sacrificing it's "soul"in the process. The problem I see happening in most modern games, and could very well be the case for Fallout 76, is that developers have gotten lazy. It's no longer about tailoring a multiplayer experience to work within a game's existing framework, to fit the narrative or gameplay hooks of the base foundation. Instead it's all about slapping an [insert game here] skin over a shoehorned mode that is just copy/pasted from some other title; regardless as to whether said mode even works with your baseline game. Mass Effect 3's multiplayer worked within existing frameworks to give players a fun, and surprisingly nuanced, experience. Dragon Age: Inquisition and Mass Effect: Andromeda, on the other hand, just slapped on a mode that ran perpendicular to the base game and were lesser for it (IMO).
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 31, 2018 13:35:45 GMT
That's where the casual gaming hordes lie and thus where the majority of the money is these days. We gamers that want more than just pew pew are in the minority. I don't feel that multiplayer, in an of itself, is the issue here. After all, a Fallout title was possible with multiplayer over 17 years ago and it still had: RPG elements, character customization, a storyline, VATS, and all the other elements that made a Fallout game a Fallout game in Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel Just because multiplayer is present ≠the game will be a poor man's sellout of the classics that came before it. And I propose that any title can be made to have an engaging multiplayer element without sacrificing it's "soul"in the process. The problem I see happening in most modern games, and could very well be the case for Fallout 76, is that developers have gotten lazy. It's no longer about tailoring a multiplayer experience to work within a game's existing framework, to fit the narrative or gameplay hooks of the base foundation. Instead it's all about slapping an [insert game here] skin over a shoehorned mode that is just copy/pasted from some other title; regardless as to whether said mode even works with your baseline game. Mass Effect 3's multiplayer worked within existing frameworks to give players a fun, and surprisingly nuanced, experience. Dragon Age: Inquisition and Mass Effect: Andromeda, on the other hand, just slapped on a mode that ran perpendicular to the base game and were lesser for it (IMO).
I'm not saying multiplayer makes a game bad. I'm just saying the most popular titles are ones that the casuals go to in droves. These games are stuff like fortnite, destiny, cod, etc. And whether we like it or not, it influences companies on what type of game to make. So when these players just love to pew pew mindlessly for hours and throw money at lootboxes... that's what all the companies are going to go try to make. It's just good business for them. Unfortunately, imo, the more popular gaming has become, the more quality has decreased. And yes, I'm blaming the casuals. Sue me. MP can be done great and fit well with a game that has other things to offer (halo comes to mind with a great and engaging campaign while also being the OG of multiplayer esports), but you're right the devs just don't want to do that anymore. Now we get multiplayer only titles, or everything has to be co-op, or loot boxes, the list goes on.
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Post by Iakus on May 31, 2018 14:12:14 GMT
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 31, 2018 15:14:10 GMT
I'm actually excited for this Fallout game. But then again, I enjoyed Fallout 4, despite its flaws. Really, I just want more Fallout. That said, I kind of wish that Obsidian was making it. Even so, I'll play it regardless. It will at least keep me hooked for dozens of hours, I'm thinking.
Edit: Also, man, I've been gone from these forums for four years. A lot has changed since then.
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