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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 22:03:49 GMT
But does the Inquisitor need to be involved to the point of being the protagonist? Does Inquisitor need to be there for Tevinter infighting, Tevinter and Qunari war, titans, whatever the game is going to throw at us while we aren't searching for Solas? The Inquisitor LITERALLY sets up the new protagonist in the ending scene of Trespasser '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' *stabs Tevinter* Boom, bang. No he/she doesn´t and he/she couldn´t be everywhere.
Also everyone in Thedas knows the Inquisitor. This isn´t effective especially for the search of Solas in a war zone like current Tevinter
Maybe i will open a new thread for this question but why is the Inquisitor needed if Harding and Charter could do this job better in more secret way?
Is it really that important to have the Inquisitor through the whole game?
Isn´t it enough that the Inquisitor appear at the End after Harding or Charter inform hin/her?
Someone from the Inquisition should be in the DA 4 Party but this should be Harding and not the Inquisitor.
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Post by Syv on Dec 7, 2018 22:18:57 GMT
Even though the DLC ended witrh saying to find people Solas doesn't know? And he knows the Inquisitor so well he's able to manipulate them to stop Cory and to stop the Qun Invasion as well as take your power and your hand, while confidently letting you know he has spies in your organisation, knows everything you do and also know the Qun has infiltrated your organisation? That can mean new allies aka companion roster among others. The Inquisitor also continuously surprised Solas to the point he sees us as a threat to his plans as seen when he won’t fully answer the questions. Hence the secret Inquisition we see later. So my answer is still yes. Yeah. For me bringing new allies that Solas doesn't know would make more sense than simply letting someone else take care of the matter. I can understand people wanting a new protagonist. But pretending that the inquisitor is less fitted to fight Solas and shouldn't take the lead is what somewhat I don't find convincing. Solas knows a lot about the inquisition. But the inquisition knows a lot about Solas too, the dread wolf, his motivations, his plans ( though quit blur ) and they especially know he has spies. They know they have to adapt and change they way of working, they already started. They already know about Mythal, the inquisitor could have elven knowledge from Morrigan or himself. They already know they have to search elven stories to learn more. They know about the evanuris, the anchor. They know what the rest of the world doesn't know. They are already working, they don't start from scratch that would take a a lot more time to get at their level of knowledge for any other other organization or folks. I'd like to knows what "concretely " a new protagonist would bring more compared to a warrior veteran like the inquisitor who already knows how to fight and defeat a godlike enemy like Corypheus, knows how to lead and win a war while starting from nothing and is most likely the one with the most informations about Solas, the most able to read him after more than one year spent with him; The inquisitor also knows how thinks Solas. too. What would a new leader would bring more, except the fact that he doesn't know Solas as much as Solas doesn't know him ? The inquisitor also already won legitimacy in the world,by the way and is likely more able to bring more allies and rally people behind him. This story that a new protagonist is more able to fight Solas is not really convincing. And yet I really try to see the point. I'm imagining real life where a skilled five stars general and veteran warrior who already won a lot of battle battles and several wars would be simply put aside, because the new enemy knows a lot about him. If someone knows a lot about you ? Are you going to leave, or maybe just engage, sees ow it goes, and then change a lot of things and surprise your enemy, and win at the end ?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 7, 2018 22:50:07 GMT
Inquisition is a 40-hour+ game. Do you all seriously, SERIOUSLY think that they can't develop a new character, and equally good reasons for them to get involved?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 22:51:23 GMT
Inquisition is a 40-hour+ game. Do you all seriously, SERIOUSLY think that they can't develop a new character, and equally good reasons for them to get involved? No I don’t. Even if they did, that would take up a lot of time and resources that could have been used for a better story with what was already established.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 7, 2018 22:54:26 GMT
Inquisition is a 40-hour+ game. Do you all seriously, SERIOUSLY think that they can't develop a new character, and equally good reasons for them to get involved? No I don’t. Even if they did, that would take up a lot of time and resources that could have been used for a better story with what was already established. "Better" is subjective. And why would it take a lot of time? The character is largely yours to define. The Inquisitor was never given a robust or detailed backstory.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 22:57:34 GMT
No I don’t. Even if they did, that would take up a lot of time and resources that could have been used for a better story with what was already established. "Better" is subjective. And why would it take a lot of time? The character is largely yours to define. The Inquisitor was never given a robust or detailed backstory. In this case, it's really not. There are times when the story being one character is better than another. It would take a lot of time to establish these "equally good reasons to get involved". The first game took an entire game to establish that, so even rushed it would take a lot to build this new PC up to that level of connection.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 23:00:53 GMT
Inquisition is a 40-hour+ game. Do you all seriously, SERIOUSLY think that they can't develop a new character, and equally good reasons for them to get involved? Especially if they already had did that in DAI. Corypheus was more Hawkes villian than for the Inquisitor.
Also i really don´t get this why is so important who stop Solas if he is villian of course ? The main goal is stopping him.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 7, 2018 23:01:13 GMT
"Better" is subjective. And why would it take a lot of time? The character is largely yours to define. The Inquisitor was never given a robust or detailed backstory. In this case, it's really not. There are times when the story being one character is better than another. It would take a lot of time to establish these "equally good reasons to get involved". The first game took an entire game to establish that, so even rushed it would take a lot to build this new PC up to that level of connection. It IS subjective, because I disagree with you. I don't want to be the Inquisitor again. And it wouldn't take much time. You are an Inquisition Agent, stopping Solas is your job. Boom. Done. Solas burned down your farm and killed your family. Boom. Done. You were present for the destruction of the veil and were luckily given new powers instead of being destroyed, now only you can match him in combat. Boom. Done. You're lucky enough to still have both your hands, making you more effective in combat and most other situations generally. Boom. Done.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 23:02:43 GMT
"Better" is subjective. And why would it take a lot of time? The character is largely yours to define. The Inquisitor was never given a robust or detailed backstory. In this case, it's really not. There are times when the story being one character is better than another. It would take a lot of time to establish these "equally good reasons to get involved". The first game took an entire game to establish that, so even rushed it would take a lot to build this new PC up to that level of connection. Except there are plenty of others in this thread where the "entire game" didn't establish that, and there's a number of reasons the game points out for the Inquisitor to not be the one directly involved. I mean, the world about to explode is good enough reason for anyone to be involved, the Inquisitor being connected and therefore emotionally compromised to Solas would be filed under, one of the reasons the world won't put them in direct contact with Solas, even ignoring the "already been manipulated and outsmarted every step of the way" thing. At what point in the entire game or DLCs does it actually even suggest that the Inquisitor is able to outsmart or overcome Solas?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:03:39 GMT
In this case, it's really not. There are times when the story being one character is better than another. It would take a lot of time to establish these "equally good reasons to get involved". The first game took an entire game to establish that, so even rushed it would take a lot to build this new PC up to that level of connection. It IS subjective, because I disagree with you. I don't want to be the Inquisitor again. And it wouldn't take much time. You are an Inquisition Agent, stopping Solas is your job. Boom. Done. Solas burned down your farm and killed your family. Boom. Done. You were present for the destruction of the veil and were luckily given new powers instead of being destroyed, now only you can match him in combat. Boom. Done. You're lucky enough to still have both your hands, making you more effective in combat and most other situations generally. Boom. Done. There are people who disagree that the Earth is round. That doesn't make that a subjective truth, it just means those who think it isn't are wrong. And no, that's nowhere close.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 23:05:12 GMT
It IS subjective, because I disagree with you. I don't want to be the Inquisitor again. And it wouldn't take much time. You are an Inquisition Agent, stopping Solas is your job. Boom. Done. Solas burned down your farm and killed your family. Boom. Done. You were present for the destruction of the veil and were luckily given new powers instead of being destroyed, now only you can match him in combat. Boom. Done. You're lucky enough to still have both your hands, making you more effective in combat and most other situations generally. Boom. Done. There are people who disagree that the Earth is round. That doesn't make that a subjective truth, it just means those who think it isn't are wrong. And no, that's nowhere close. You are seriously comparing the people who disagree with you to Flat-Earthers? You don't see how inappropriate and condescending that is?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:07:43 GMT
In this case, it's really not. There are times when the story being one character is better than another. It would take a lot of time to establish these "equally good reasons to get involved". The first game took an entire game to establish that, so even rushed it would take a lot to build this new PC up to that level of connection. Except there are plenty of others in this thread where the "entire game" didn't establish that, and there's a number of reasons the game points out for the Inquisitor to not be the one directly involved. I mean, the world about to explode is good enough reason for anyone to be involved, the Inquisitor being connected and therefore emotionally connected to Solas would be filed under, one of the reasons the world won't put them in direct contact with Solas, even ignoring the "already been manipulated and outsmarted every step of the way" thing. At what point in the entire game or DLCs does it actually even suggest that the Inquisitor is able to outsmart or overcome Solas? To answer your question, one of Solas' comments during the Trespasser conversation is an example that comes to mind. You ask him why this world has to end and he says "A good question, but not one I will answer. You have always shown a thoughtfulness I respected. It would be easy to tell you too much." That shows he is very wary of the Inquisitor and their capabilities. Not the Inquisition's, the Inquisitor's personally.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 23:08:53 GMT
And no, that's nowhere close. Why? He has a good argument. Tell me why do we need the Inquisitor through the whole game?
I get it the Inquisitor should have an confrontation with Solas but this could be at the end. So why do we need the Inquisitor as returning protagonist?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:10:50 GMT
And no, that's nowhere close. Why? He has a good argument. Tell me why do we need the Inquisitor through the whole game?
I get it the Inquisitor should have an confrontation with Solas but this could at the end.
No they don't. That establishment is no different than Corypheus or the Archdemon. It's serviceable sure, but it lacks the potential and nuance that the Inquisitor has that would make the story better.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 7, 2018 23:11:28 GMT
Inquisition is a 40-hour+ game. Do you all seriously, SERIOUSLY think that they can't develop a new character, and equally good reasons for them to get involved? No I don’t. Even if they did, that would take up a lot of time and resources that could have been used for a better story with what was already established. I have to agree (could be wrong only time will tell) there are a few characters from all 3 games that Solas does not know about that I have mentioned in other posts that can be used to work hand and hand with the current Inquiz , who's to say? they could be used to help cut down on the production time and provide for a very good game *shrug* who knows? not us that's for sure. at least me. sorry .
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:11:31 GMT
There are people who disagree that the Earth is round. That doesn't make that a subjective truth, it just means those who think it isn't are wrong. And no, that's nowhere close. You are seriously comparing the people who disagree with you to Flat-Earthers? You don't see how inappropriate and condescending that is? No, I'm showing that simply disagreeing about something does not make that thing inherently subjective.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 23:12:06 GMT
Except there are plenty of others in this thread where the "entire game" didn't establish that, and there's a number of reasons the game points out for the Inquisitor to not be the one directly involved. I mean, the world about to explode is good enough reason for anyone to be involved, the Inquisitor being connected and therefore emotionally connected to Solas would be filed under, one of the reasons the world won't put them in direct contact with Solas, even ignoring the "already been manipulated and outsmarted every step of the way" thing. At what point in the entire game or DLCs does it actually even suggest that the Inquisitor is able to outsmart or overcome Solas? To answer your question, one of Solas' comments during the Trespasser conversation is an example that comes to mind. You ask him why this world has to end and he says "A good question, but not one I will answer. You have always shown a thoughtfulness I respected. It would be easy to tell you too much." That shows he is very wary of the Inquisitor and their capabilities. Not the Inquisition's, the Inquisitor's personally. But they didn't get that info??? Everything they find out is what Solas lets them know or tells them, they don't get any info on their own. And it's not like he likes all Inquisitors either, and even the one's he likes he still thinks of as not proper People like him. I'm seriously asking when the Inquisitor actually did anything to one up Solas, cus I can't think of anything. And no, him thinjking he shouldn't tell them his entire plan isn't them one-upping him, that's basic villianing unless you are a cartoon Disney Villian in the middle of your epic speach and weirdly tell the hero your every plan. Basically, of course Solas doesn't tell the Inquisitor his plan.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:13:49 GMT
To answer your question, one of Solas' comments during the Trespasser conversation is an example that comes to mind. You ask him why this world has to end and he says "A good question, but not one I will answer. You have always shown a thoughtfulness I respected. It would be easy to tell you too much." That shows he is very wary of the Inquisitor and their capabilities. Not the Inquisition's, the Inquisitor's personally. But they didn't get that info??? Everything they find out is what Solas lets them know or tells them, they don't get any info on their own. And it's not like he likes all Inquisitors either, and even the one's he likes he still thinks of as not proper People like him. I'm seriously asking when the Inquisitor actually did anything to one up Solas, cus I can't think of anything. And no, him thinjking he shouldn't tell them his entire plan isn't them one-upping him, that's basic villianing unless you are a cartoon Disney Villian in the middle of your epic speach and weirdly tell the hero your every plan. Basically, of course Solas doesn't tell the Inquisitor his plan. Not true. You can find out Solas is Fen'Harel before he tells you for example. We destroyed his Orb, ruining his current plans and having to find another way.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 23:17:11 GMT
No they don't. That establishment is no different than Corypheus or the Archdemon. It's serviceable sure, but it lacks the potential and nuance that the Inquisitor has that would make the story better. Better is subjective. Personally i really don´t care for the Solas plot and i always had hoped that Bioware used it for bare minium. Stop him at the end and be done with it. The Tevinter vs Qunari war should be focus. Also i get it you like the Inquisitor well i don´t. I found him/her always more boring than interessing. Yeah new Hero for the win.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 23:17:42 GMT
But they didn't get that info??? Everything they find out is what Solas lets them know or tells them, they don't get any info on their own. And it's not like he likes all Inquisitors either, and even the one's he likes he still thinks of as not proper People like him. I'm seriously asking when the Inquisitor actually did anything to one up Solas, cus I can't think of anything. And no, him thinjking he shouldn't tell them his entire plan isn't them one-upping him, that's basic villianing unless you are a cartoon Disney Villian in the middle of your epic speach and weirdly tell the hero your every plan. Basically, of course Solas doesn't tell the Inquisitor his plan. Not true. You can find out Solas is Fen'Harel before he tells you for example. We destroyed his Orb, ruining his current plans and having to find another way. We didn't mean to destroy the orb, we didn't even know it was something Solas was after? Also we got the Fen'Harel info cus he manipulated us into going into the crossroads and through that area with the info, we didn't find it on our own without Solas guiding us? Those aren't one-upping him?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:22:17 GMT
Not true. You can find out Solas is Fen'Harel before he tells you for example. We destroyed his Orb, ruining his current plans and having to find another way. We didn't mean to destroy the orb, we didn't even know it was something Solas was after? Also we got the Fen'Harel info cus he manipulated us into going into the crossroads and through that area with the info, we didn't find it on our own without Solas guiding us? Those aren't one-upping him?
We didn't mean to destroy the orb? When did the Inquisitor say that? I certainly intended to destroy it. All those are off the beaten track that he wanted us to follow. You're stretching now.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:23:26 GMT
No they don't. That establishment is no different than Corypheus or the Archdemon. It's serviceable sure, but it lacks the potential and nuance that the Inquisitor has that would make the story better. Better is subjective. Personally i really don´t care for the Solas plot and i always had hoped that Bioware used it for bare minium. Stop him at the end and be done with it. The Tevinter vs Qunari war should be focus. Also i get it you like the Inquisitor well i don´t. I found him/her always more boring than interessing. Yeah new Hero for the win.
So your reasons are simply your biases. I see.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 7, 2018 23:25:00 GMT
No they don't. That establishment is no different than Corypheus or the Archdemon. It's serviceable sure, but it lacks the potential and nuance that the Inquisitor has that would make the story better. Better is subjective. Personally i really don´t care for the Solas plot and i always had hoped that Bioware used it for bare minium. Stop him at the end and be done with it. The Tevinter vs Qunari war should be focus. Also i get it you like the Inquisitor well i don´t. I found him/her always more boring than interessing. Yeah new Hero for the win.
It’s a matter of personal preferences, since there are people that aren’t interested in the Tevinter-Qunari war as the main focus, from what I gathered. Either way, and regardless of the protagonist, the focus will be on the Dread Wolf.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 23:26:54 GMT
We didn't mean to destroy the orb, we didn't even know it was something Solas was after? Also we got the Fen'Harel info cus he manipulated us into going into the crossroads and through that area with the info, we didn't find it on our own without Solas guiding us? Those aren't one-upping him?
We didn't mean to destroy the orb? When did the Inquisitor say that? I certainly intended to destroy it. All those are off the beaten track that he wanted us to follow. You're stretching now. No, you are stretching. We found out about Fen Harel cus Solas wanted us to know, just like we found out about the Qun and their spies and their invasion plan cus he wanted us to know - heck, the Qun discovered more about Solas on their own, withou guidance then we did. We ended up going to a Fen'Harel Sanctuary cus of Solas. And whether you wanted the orb destroyed or not, you certainly didn't know Solas wanted it intact or that he wanted to use it.
Is there any other parts where you "one-up" Solas cus this is really weak.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:29:24 GMT
We didn't mean to destroy the orb? When did the Inquisitor say that? I certainly intended to destroy it. All those are off the beaten track that he wanted us to follow. You're stretching now. No, you are stretching. We found out about Fen Harel cus Solas wanted us to know, just like we found out about the Qun and their spies and their invasion plan cus he wanted us to know - heck, the Qun discovered more about Solas on their own, withou guidance then we did. We ended up going to a Fen'Harel Sanctuary cus of Solas. And whether you wanted the orb destroyed or not, you certainly didn't know Solas wanted it intact or that he wanted to use it.
Is there any other parts where you "one-up" Solas cus this is really weak.
We do know he wanted it intact actually. He has dialogue with us a couple times in the game about it.
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