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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 23:29:25 GMT
So your reasons are simply your biases. I see. Why should care for Solas and the Inquisitor if i don´t like them?
Also you didn´t really answer my question. Why do we need the Inquisitor through the whole game? The Inquisition should be part of DA 4 party. Or should i say at least companion.
So tell me why do need the Inquisitor himself/herself when Harding could have a similar function?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:31:29 GMT
So your reasons are simply your biases. I see. Why should care for Solas and the Inquisitor if i don´t like them?
Also you didn´t really answer my question. Why do we need the Inquisitor through the whole game? The Inquisition should be part of DA 4 party. Or should i say at least companion.
So tell me why do need the Inquisitor himself/herself when Harding could have a similar function? Because it creates a better story than a new protagonist would. I never said we needed them the whole game. I've expressed that I would tolerate a dual protagonist system. Why Harding? Solas knows how she operates as well according to your side's argument.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 23:32:46 GMT
No, you are stretching. We found out about Fen Harel cus Solas wanted us to know, just like we found out about the Qun and their spies and their invasion plan cus he wanted us to know - heck, the Qun discovered more about Solas on their own, withou guidance then we did. We ended up going to a Fen'Harel Sanctuary cus of Solas. And whether you wanted the orb destroyed or not, you certainly didn't know Solas wanted it intact or that he wanted to use it.
Is there any other parts where you "one-up" Solas cus this is really weak.
We do know he wanted it intact actually. He has dialogue with us a couple times in the game about it. What dialogue? He talks about the Orb and how it's elven and how we copuld be blamed for it but I don't remember dialogue where he wanted it intact? Could you find it please?
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 23:35:12 GMT
It’s a matter of personal preferences, since there are people that aren’t interested in the Tevinter-Qunari war as the main focus, from what I gathered. I don´t understand this. Solas is basically another crazy guy who wants to destroy the world. And of course we will stop him. Where is the surprise?
This is so boring. The Tevinter vs Qunari conflict is a lot more interessing. Both aren´t really good nor bad. Or speaking of DA 2 the Qunari vs the Petrice church was a lot more fascinating than the stupid crazy Meredith.
I know. Its a shame but it isn´t really that surprising.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:38:54 GMT
We do know he wanted it intact actually. He has dialogue with us a couple times in the game about it. What dialogue? He talks about the Orb and how it's elven and how we copuld be blamed for it but I don't remember dialogue where he wanted it intact? Could you find it please? In this conversation he talks about wanting to find it.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 7, 2018 23:42:03 GMT
It’s a matter of personal preferences, since there are people that aren’t interested in the Tevinter-Qunari war as the main focus, from what I gathered. I don´t understand this. Solas is basically another crazy guy who wants to destroy the world. And of course we will stop him. Where is the surprise?
This is so boring. The Tevinter vs Qunari conflict is a lot more interessing. Both aren´t really good nor bad. Or speaking of DA 2 the Qunari vs the Petrice church was a lot more fascinating than the stupid crazy Meredith.
I know. Its a shame but it isn´t really that surprising.
I don’t agree with Solas, but I wouldn’t say he’s crazy. Another difference is that he’s related to the big secrets of the series. Besides, as you say that he’s another crazy antagonist and the Tevinter-qunari plot is interesting because of them being morally grey, others could say it’s just another but war, and others can say that they’re both bad. I personally find both plots interesting, for different reasons, so I was fine either way. But I can understand why someone, as you, isn’t enthusiastic about this choice.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 23:42:33 GMT
Because it creates a better story than a new protagonist would. I never said we needed them the whole game. I've expressed that I would tolerate a dual protagonist system. Why Harding? Solas knows how she operates as well according to your side's argument. DAI works fine with the Inquisitor as hero and Hawke as major ally. Why not for DA 4? A duel protagonist is wishful thinking. It would be to expensive to make it proper.
Harding is the connection between the new hero and the Inquisitior. She could be the one to recruit the new protagonist at the beginning. And she could tell the Inquisitior at the end of DA 4 where to find Solas.
Also i don´t have impression that Solas really take notice of Harding.
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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 23:42:37 GMT
What dialogue? He talks about the Orb and how it's elven and how we copuld be blamed for it but I don't remember dialogue where he wanted it intact? Could you find it please? [/quote]In this conversation he talks about wanting to find it. [/quote][/div]
such a bland conversation on the Inky's part. I hope we get a Charismatic Fill the Room kinda person like Hawke again next game.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 7, 2018 23:43:05 GMT
I definitely think that anything that has to do with Qunari is 100x more interesting than Solas and his constant stream of failures. But, alas, here we are, there are so many loose ends to figure out, DA4 will do it's best to solve some of the mess and finish Solas' storyline for good. One can only hope there's a Trespasser-tier DLC for Qunari content, if it won't be in the game when it's shipped.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 23:44:50 GMT
What dialogue? He talks about the Orb and how it's elven and how we copuld be blamed for it but I don't remember dialogue where he wanted it intact? Could you find it please? In this conversation he talks about wanting to find it. He talks about wanting to find what created the breach and the Inquisitor is meant to take from that he wants the orb intact and he should destroy it for that reason, thus thwarting Solas and his evil plans of "wanting to discover the artifact was that caused the breach before we discovered what it was". The Inquisitor doesn't know he wants to use it, it sounds from that convo that he just wants info, and we have no idea at that point that Solas has something nefarious planned. I really don't see how that constitutes the Inquisitor one, knowing that Solas wanted the orb intact and two, knowing that Solas was going to use it for a bad purpose so they should destroy it thus one-upping Solas. Sorry, no one-upping
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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 23:45:40 GMT
I definitely think that anything that has to do with Qunari is 100x more interesting than Solas and his constant stream of failures. But, alas, here we are, there are so many loose ends to figure out, DA4 will do it's best to solve some of the mess and finish Solas' storyline for good. One can only hope there's a Trespasser-tier DLC for Qunari content, if it won't be in the game when it's shipped. Whereas I'm dying for some Warden War DLC!
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 7, 2018 23:47:25 GMT
I definitely think that anything that has to do with Qunari is 100x more interesting than Solas and his constant stream of failures. But, alas, here we are, there are so many loose ends to figure out, DA4 will do it's best to solve some of the mess and finish Solas' storyline for good. One can only hope there's a Trespasser-tier DLC for Qunari content, if it won't be in the game when it's shipped. Whereas I'm dying for some Warden War DLC! Oh dear, for me it's Qunari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wardens I just... REALLY don't care about Wardens, I guess I should but I just don't! But I can see the franchise starting with wardens and ending with wardens. I feel like wardens need a bigger pedestal than just a tacked on DLC.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:47:40 GMT
Because it creates a better story than a new protagonist would. I never said we needed them the whole game. I've expressed that I would tolerate a dual protagonist system. Why Harding? Solas knows how she operates as well according to your side's argument. DAI works fine with the Inquisitor as hero and Hawke as major ally. Why not for DA 4? A duel protagonist is wishful thinking. It would be to expensive to make it proper.
Harding is the connection between the new hero and the Inquisitior. She could be the one to recruit the new protagonist at the beginning. And she could tell the Inquisitior at the end of DA 4 where to find Solas.
Also i don´t have impression that Solas really take notice of Harding.
Hawke in DAI was a complete and utter desecration of a lot of player's Hawkes, mine included. and they are hardly alone when it comes to old PCs returning as NPCs. So no, it absolutely does not work. I agree it is most likely not going to happen, though Bioware has expressed interest in the idea. So if we are having only one protagonist, I want the one that grants the best story which is the Inquisitor. Solas either takes notice of everybody, or he doesn't allowing people to move against him. Your side tries to argue both when it can be only one or the other, so which is it? If he notices everybody thus why the Inquisitor can't be the PC, then Harding or any member of the Inquisition can be involved for the same reason.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 23:48:38 GMT
I definitely think that anything that has to do with Qunari is 100x more interesting than Solas and his constant stream of failures. But, alas, here we are, there are so many loose ends to figure out, DA4 will do it's best to solve some of the mess and finish Solas' storyline for good. One can only hope there's a Trespasser-tier DLC for Qunari content, if it won't be in the game when it's shipped. I don't know, just from looking at this thread, and thinking about what actually happened in the Trespasser DLC, the Qunari actually discovered that Solas was up to no good much faster then we did, and almost discovered who he was, and that was with no guidance from him and no prior relationship to him either. And they have access to the Eluvians and they worked that out on their own too. Maybe they actually are the most qualified and up to the task of stopping Solas. It would be ironic considering how much he hates them.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 23:51:02 GMT
One can only hope there's a Trespasser-tier DLC for Qunari content, if it won't be in the game when it's shipped. Serious question but how likely is it that DA 4 will get Story DLCs? Many insiders have said in the last months that expensive Story DLCs aren´t that profitable anymore.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 7, 2018 23:51:03 GMT
I definitely think that anything that has to do with Qunari is 100x more interesting than Solas and his constant stream of failures. But, alas, here we are, there are so many loose ends to figure out, DA4 will do it's best to solve some of the mess and finish Solas' storyline for good. One can only hope there's a Trespasser-tier DLC for Qunari content, if it won't be in the game when it's shipped. The focus on Solas in the next game doesn’t mean the qunari plot won’t be expanded as well. Though I’d prefer to have it as a side one, at this point, with the full resolution in another game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 23:52:59 GMT
To compare DA4 to DAO, I see the Solas plot being the Blight plot and the Qun-Tevinter War plot being the Ferelden Civil War plot.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 7, 2018 23:58:48 GMT
Hawke in DAI was a complete and utter desecration of a lot of player's Hawkes, mine included. and they are hardly alone when it comes to old PCs returning as NPCs. So no, it absolutely does not work. Personally i agree with you. Hawke didn´t work for me but i knew a lot of players who are fine with DAI Hawke. So who is right? Sorry everybody in Thedas knows the Inquisitor not only Solas. He/she isn´t effective like Harding who can easily be overlook.
For most of Thedas Harding is just a small female dwarf.
Also you really want to do minor fetch quests like find my ring as Inquisitor again?
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 8, 2018 0:00:49 GMT
To compare DA4 to DAO, I see the Solas plot being the Blight plot and the Qun-Tevinter War plot being the Ferelden Civil War plot. If it has that kind of importance, then I wouldn’t mind the focus on that plot as well. I just don’t want a repetition (in execution) of the Mage-Templar war and the Orlesian Civil War in DAI.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 8, 2018 0:02:23 GMT
Hawke in DAI was a complete and utter desecration of a lot of player's Hawkes, mine included. and they are hardly alone when it comes to old PCs returning as NPCs. So no, it absolutely does not work. Personally i agree with you. Hawke didn´t work for me but i knew a lot of players who are fine with DAI Hawke. So who is right? Sorry everybody in Thedas knows the Inquisitor not only Solas. He/she isn´t effective like Harding who can easily be overlook.
For most of Thedas Harding is just a small female dwarf.
Also you really want to do minor fetch quests like find my ring as Inquisitor again?
The people who didn't like Hawke are right, since if being a NPC didn't work then they'd have to be controlled by the player thus allowing those who liked how they were handled and those who didn't to have them behave in a way they liked. I've said this to you before but you've ignored me, but no they don't know the Inquisitor. They know of the Inquisitor, which is a big difference. The Inquisitor even after operating in the open for months in Ferelden and Orlais was still not recognized by people like the Orlesian nobles. So going to Tevinter which barely paid attention and they would blend in quite easily. Sure, why wouldn't I?
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Post by phoray on Dec 8, 2018 0:05:01 GMT
To compare DA4 to DAO, I see the Solas plot being the Blight plot and the Qun-Tevinter War plot being the Ferelden Civil War plot. Spot on. That's how I see it too. Solas is sorta introduced but then there is this Giant War Problem you have to resolve with lots of factions that are semi directly tied to how well you will resolve Solas at the end game. And then Titan and Warden War DLC. And maybe a Seheron one where we actually go to the island and "push the Qun" even further back to where they came from.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2018 0:06:28 GMT
To compare DA4 to DAO, I see the Solas plot being the Blight plot and the Qun-Tevinter War plot being the Ferelden Civil War plot. Spot on. That's how I see it too. Solas is sorta introduced but then there is this Giant War Problem you have to resolve with lots of factions that are semi directly tied to how well you will resolve Solas at the end game. And then Titan and Warden War DLC. And maybe a Seheron one where we actually go to the island and "push the Qun" even further back to where they came from. I would really love to visit Seheron - it seems like there's a lot of interesting stuff there.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 8, 2018 0:11:06 GMT
Spot on. That's how I see it too. Solas is sorta introduced but then there is this Giant War Problem you have to resolve with lots of factions that are semi directly tied to how well you will resolve Solas at the end game. And then Titan and Warden War DLC. And maybe a Seheron one where we actually go to the island and "push the Qun" even further back to where they came from. I would really love to visit Seheron - it seems like there's a lot of interesting stuff there. Yaass! Fog Warriors and so much Fenris and Bull and Sten history!
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 8, 2018 0:14:43 GMT
I've said this to you before but you've ignored me, but no they don't know the Inquisitor. They know of the Inquisitor, which is a big difference. The Inquisitor even after operating in the open for months in Ferelden and Orlais was still not recognized by people like the Orlesian nobles. So going to Tevinter which barely paid attention and they would blend in quite easily. Sure, why wouldn't I? Because the Inquisitor killed Corypheus one of the seven magister who entered the golden city.
Also the Inquisitior was the (wo)man in charge who had decided which person ruled over Orlais. Yeah they know about the Inquisitor and they know exactly how he/she look like. The Inquisitor like Divine Victoria will be on a lots of portraits.
But Tevinter won´t admit it that they know.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2018 0:16:08 GMT
I would really love to visit Seheron - it seems like there's a lot of interesting stuff there. Yaass! Fog Warriors and so much Fenris and Bull and Sten history! Yep! ANd I just read the wiki, possibly were griffons came from!!! FLUFFY GRIFFONS!!!!!!!! I'd also like to see Par Vollen, want to know about the pyramids and the possible human origins. I'm so excited about going to Northern Thedas!!!!!!!!
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