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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 5, 2018 12:51:02 GMT
Yes the article is not proof of anything, however the article never said the game wasn't in development, nor did the article say the game was shelved. The article said DA4 was still very early in development, that there hasn't been a substantial amount done, and that it's been in limbo. If the project is in limbo, how do they have enough to show the game off at The Game Awards? Why are there staff who are clearly working on Dragon Age and explicitly not on Anthem? Why did the Executive Producer of the series tease the game three months after it supposedly went into "limbo"? The timeframe doesn't support the article's claims, and outright refutes them.
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Post by pensieve on Dec 5, 2018 12:53:09 GMT
Imagine Dragon Age 4 and Elder Scrolls 6 coming out at the same time... I wouldn't be able to leave the house for months.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 5, 2018 12:54:17 GMT
Imagine Dragon Age 4 and Elder Scrolls 6 coming out at the same time... I wouldn't be able to leave the house for months. Yes, I would be easily able to dismiss elder scrolls but not DA4
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2018 12:54:37 GMT
Yes the article is not proof of anything, however the article never said the game wasn't in development, nor did the article say the game was shelved. The article said DA4 was still very early in development, that there hasn't been a substantial amount done, and that it's been in limbo. If the project is in limbo, how do they have enough to show the game off at The Game Awards? Why are there staff who are clearly working on Dragon Age and explicitly not on Anthem? Why did the Executive Producer of the series tease the game three months after it supposedly went into "limbo"? The timeframe doesn't support the article's claims, and outright refutes them. Depends on how much they plan to show off. Depends if they want to show anything off at all. Bethesda did a "flyover" of reused Elder Scroll environments. It was incredibly disappointing to me, but some people found it exciting. Being in limbo basically means they're unsure of how to proceed. It doesn't refer to how much has already been done. Having staff working on Dragon Age and not Anthem in no way negates any of the arguments presented by the article. It could be very early in pre-production and still have dedicated staff. The timeframe doesn't do what you want it to do.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2018 12:57:00 GMT
Imagine Dragon Age 4 and Elder Scrolls 6 coming out at the same time... I wouldn't be able to leave the house for months. Yes! Twould be awesome :3 And some people are complaining that it's already been 4 years since DA:I, when it's already been 7 years since Skyrim and it'll probably be another 3 before it's released. It's been 6 years since Diablo 3 and Diablo 4 won't be released for a few more years. AAA games take time these days, especially if the studio is doing multiple projects.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 5, 2018 13:02:05 GMT
It may all be a lie but after Andromeda where ALL these rumors nobody wanted to believe turned out to be true, I tend to give them more credit than the desperate "all will be fine" chant of the optimistic fans or Bioware's vague reassurances. first of all i enjoyed mass effect andromeda, it was fun game. regardless, i am curious at what rumors you refer to. i recall a rumor that an EA employee was ( according to the rumor) in charge of the animation in MEA, and she got people harassing her on twitter over that rumor. as it turns out, she wasn't even on the project, because, and here come the big shock: she wasn't even a bioware employee. i'm not saying that what's in the "article" of venturebeat won't turn out to be true, but it should not be treated as a fact until it will be. I think most people expected a late 2020 or 2021 release. People knew that Bioware was throwing everything at Anthem which means very little has been done on DA. However every so often you'll see a thread where people hope for 2019 and I just wonder why people set themselves up for disappointment like that. 2021 and beyond is good, they're not straddling the console generations like Inquisition. However, if this is true (no indication it is yet) then this pushes the future of Mass Effect WAAAAAAAAAAAAY back. So yeah Mass Effect fans rejoice for Mass Effect 5, release date 2025 ... honestly? i don't mind if it will take 3 more years to make. it's just silly that people treat this three 3 years thing as a fact even though it's not. this article changed nothing from what we new before, the assumption that dragon age 4 won't be out before 2021 is hardly new, and until we get an official info on the matter it's gonna stay just that: an assumption.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 5, 2018 13:16:38 GMT
Another point: We know BioWare has been writing the game for at least a year, as evidenced by Casey Hudson explicitly saying they were working on such, Alexis Kennedy having done some writing for the series, and several BioWare staff making mention of DA4 or an unannounced project at BioWare. Inquisition came out about three and a half years after DA2, and that was BioWare's first Frostbite game. So why would it take so much longer for them to develop DA4? They have Frostbite figured out, they know what they're writing, they're confident enough to not only reveal the game but to build anticipation for the reveal. regardless, i am curious at what rumors you refer to. i recall a rumor that an EA employee was ( according to the rumor) in charge of the animation in MEA, and she got people harassing her on twitter over that rumor. as it turns out, she wasn't even on the project, because, and here come the big shock: she wasn't even a bioware employee. Let's not forget that Anthem already had a delay rumor (which claimed the game was a "mess" on current-gen hardware) that was debunked by the developers.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2018 13:20:44 GMT
So why would it take so much longer for them to develop DA4? They have Frostbite figured out, they know what they're writing, they're confident enough to not only reveal the game but to build anticipation for the reveal. Most of the work on the game is done during full development, when there's possibly hundreds of people working on a game full time instead of a handful. The earliest they can ramp up to full development on DA:4 is after Anthem is released, because Bioware's throwing everything at Anthem, and Anthem won't release till next year. So cross out 2019 for starters, there's no chance. Then it's a matter of when they're ready to ramp up development and how long it will spend in development.
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 5, 2018 13:21:01 GMT
Imagine Dragon Age 4 and Elder Scrolls 6 coming out at the same time... I wouldn't be able to leave the house for months. That's simply not happening. TES VI is coming in 2025, 2024 being monumentally generous. So unless DA gets pushed into oblivion, they will never met.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 5, 2018 13:31:37 GMT
My problem now is that folks and journalists are taking the rumor and running with it. I did an article last week about more Dragon Age coming, but I specifically chose not to mention Dragon Age 4 in it, because at the end of the day, that is just presumption. Based on Hudson's language and the fact that it's likely the game won't be shown any time soon, regardless of the Venture Beat rumors that came out days later. Honestly...I feel like folks are setting themselves up for disappointment by presuming it's Dragon Age 4 at this point. But that's me. I'll be surprised if it is, but I am not holding my breath.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 5, 2018 13:38:29 GMT
My problem now is that folks and journalists are taking the rumor and running with it. I did an article last week about more Dragon Age coming, but I specifically chose not to mention Dragon Age 4 in it, because at the end of the day, that is just presumption. Based on Hudson's language and the fact that it's likely the game won't be shown any time soon, regardless of the Venture Beat rumors that came out days later. Honestly...I feel like folks are setting themselves up for disappointment by presuming it's Dragon Age 4 at this point. But that's me. I'll be surprised if it is, but I am not holding my breath. that's a smart approach, on both accounts =)
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 5, 2018 14:06:06 GMT
My problem now is that folks and journalists are taking the rumor and running with it. I did an article last week about more Dragon Age coming, but I specifically chose not to mention Dragon Age 4 in it, because at the end of the day, that is just presumption. Based on Hudson's language and the fact that it's likely the game won't be shown any time soon, regardless of the Venture Beat rumors that came out days later. Honestly...I feel like folks are setting themselves up for disappointment by presuming it's Dragon Age 4 at this point. But that's me. I'll be surprised if it is, but I am not holding my breath. Yeah, I don't think "Dragon Age stuff" is DA4 at all. I think they're referring to a mobile game or a new novel or something. Because "legacy" doesn't sound like the continuation of the franchise games at all. It sounds like some kind of spin-off or extra lore bits done in a different format.
I would imagine if it was DA4 they'd be less vague about it. Then again, Bioware sucks at PR, so who knows.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 5, 2018 14:08:12 GMT
Imagine Dragon Age 4 and Elder Scrolls 6 coming out at the same time... I wouldn't be able to leave the house for months. That's simply not happening. TES VI is coming in 2025, 2024 being monumentally generous. So unless DA gets pushed into oblivion, they will never met. On the other hand, it'll be interesting to see whether Starfield (also rumored to release in 2021) or DA4 comes out first...
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 5, 2018 14:10:55 GMT
Because "legacy" doesn't sound like the continuation of the franchise games at all. It sounds like some kind of spin-off or extra lore bits done in a different format. The full quote: "Continuing the legacy" of a franchise certainly sounds like a new installment in said franchise.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 5, 2018 14:13:20 GMT
It may all be a lie but after Andromeda where ALL these rumors nobody wanted to believe turned out to be true, I tend to give them more credit than the desperate "all will be fine" chant of the optimistic fans or Bioware's vague reassurances. first of all i enjoyed mass effect andromeda, it was fun game. regardless, i am curious at what rumors you refer to. i recall a rumor that an EA employee was ( according to the rumor) in charge of the animation in MEA, and she got people harassing her on twitter over that rumor. as it turns out, she wasn't even on the project, because, and here come the big shock: she wasn't even a bioware employee. i'm not saying that what's in the "article" of venturebeat won't turn out to be true, but it should not be treated as a fact until it will be. I hadn't heard about your example. I meant everything to do with a troubled development, wasting 2 years on a scrapped idea. Not knowing what they wanted to do. The game not being on par with previous titles. I wasn't even among the people who thought the turn-over rate was anything unusual, but it probably had to do with the messy management too. Very little info on the game until shortly before release made people wary too.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 5, 2018 14:15:27 GMT
Very little info on the game until shortly before release made people wary too. They gave a lot of info about the game leading up to its release. I don't why people who whine about Andromeda are such shameless liars. Probably the same reason you didn't hear about the psychotic abuse that women who worked on the game received -- because you didn't care.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 5, 2018 14:18:35 GMT
Because "legacy" doesn't sound like the continuation of the franchise games at all. It sounds like some kind of spin-off or extra lore bits done in a different format. The full quote: "Continuing the legacy" of a franchise certainly sounds like a new installment in said franchise. Not to me. Odd choice of words to me, but maybe that's me not being a native speaker. I certainly hope it *is* DA4!
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 5, 2018 14:21:08 GMT
Because "legacy" doesn't sound like the continuation of the franchise games at all. It sounds like some kind of spin-off or extra lore bits done in a different format. The full quote: "Continuing the legacy" of a franchise certainly sounds like a new installment in said franchise. Legacy is something you get from someone who's dead. If they meant "continue the franchise", they likely would have said just that. But with this choice of words they can weasel out of that if whatever they are going to announce turns out to be a disappointment.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 5, 2018 14:25:57 GMT
Very little info on the game until shortly before release made people wary too. They gave a lot of info about the game leading up to its release. I don't why people who whine about Andromeda are such shameless liars. Probably the same reason you didn't hear about the psychotic abuse that women who worked on the game received -- because you didn't care. Liar? It wasn't until a few weeks before launch if I remember correctly that the promotional videos were released. I was HERE when we all discussed the game and there was a lot of confusion about the lack of info for the longest time. I never said they gave no info. There was plenty of info by the time the game released. That wasn't my point though.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 5, 2018 14:35:12 GMT
Legacy is something you get from someone who's dead. If they meant "continue the franchise", they likely would have said just that. But with this choice of words they can weasel out of that if whatever they are going to announce turns out to be a disappointment. BioWare has a legacy of excellent storytelling in games. Do you think BioWare or their excellent storytelling is dead? If they said "continue the franchise", then there would be no point in announcing DA4 at The Game Awards or whatever, because they would have already in that post. They haven't explicitly said "new game!" because that's what the announcement is going to be about. "Continuing the legacy" means carrying onward with the things that made the past Dragon Age games great. It's not Casey Hudson who's squirrelling around with semantics here.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 5, 2018 14:38:35 GMT
first of all i enjoyed mass effect andromeda, it was fun game. regardless, i am curious at what rumors you refer to. i recall a rumor that an EA employee was ( according to the rumor) in charge of the animation in MEA, and she got people harassing her on twitter over that rumor. as it turns out, she wasn't even on the project, because, and here come the big shock: she wasn't even a bioware employee. i'm not saying that what's in the "article" of venturebeat won't turn out to be true, but it should not be treated as a fact until it will be. I hadn't heard about your example. I meant everything to do with a troubled development, wasting 2 years on a scrapped idea. Not knowing what they wanted to do. The game not being on par with previous titles. I wasn't even among the people who thought the turn-over rate was anything unusual, but it probably had to do with the messy management too. Very little info on the game until shortly before release made people wary too.
with the exception of "not being on par with previous installments ( which bioware themselves said, was not going to be ME4 but rather it's own installment), when any of those rumors turned out to be true? while playing amdromeda i saw nothing that suggest "trouble with development". honestly, just because you don't like a game doesn't means it was poorly managed.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 5, 2018 14:43:44 GMT
I don't why people who whine about Andromeda are such shameless liars. woah, hold the phone. there's no need to resort to name calling just cause you don't agree with someone.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 5, 2018 14:45:56 GMT
BioWare has a legacy of excellent storytelling in games. Do you think BioWare or their excellent storytelling is dead? Well, in my opinion it has been a while... If they said "continue the franchise", then there would be no point in announcing DA4 at The Game Awards or whatever, because they would have already in that post. They haven't explicitly said "new game!" because that's what the announcement is going to be about. It's not Casey Hudson who's squirrelling around with semantics here. You're referring to me then? Here's some examples why BioWare simply needs to be careful with their statements, and that's exactly what they're doing by using the word "legacy": Remember that little leaflet in the DAO package that had a big date printed on it? Everyone expected it to be the release date of DA2, but it wasn't, and BioWare claimed that the date had of course always referred to their silly Facebook game. DA2 wasn't rushed, or so we were told. It also had no problems, we just didn't like change. DAI was made by PC gamers for PC gamers. MEA was polished until it was taken from their cold, dead hands. There's probably more.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 5, 2018 14:49:08 GMT
Well, in my opinion it has been a while... Then that confirms shit-stirring is all you're here for and all the reasoning in the world won't budge you from opinions you never reasoned yourself into.
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 5, 2018 14:49:42 GMT
Guys, don't look too much into it. I've stopped seeing "secret messages" on everything a while back, and for good reason. Most of the time there's no secret message to begin with. He just mentions DA, and the legacy part is just a way of saying the franchise ain't dead or otherwise. The only important part is the one that mentions more information soon. An actual announcement for a proper game? Rare, it's too soon I feel if the reports of the game being 3 years away are to be believed. But who knows.
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