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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 20:53:25 GMT
I would love to see Fenris again, and I think he would play a decent part in 4, maybe a role similar to Hawke's role in DAI.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 23, 2018 21:44:11 GMT
Because I like Alistair. That's why I want want him there. Perhaps in your world state, where he's dead, h e won't be there. No one is strong arming you into having him. Sorry but i have a different view. Personally i love Varric and my fanheart would love if returning even as companion. But thats just fanservice and don´t make it interessing. Varric was already major featured as companion the full games. Its enough. Same goes for Alistair. I like him a lot but its enough.
I really despite Velanna but its sounds crazy i wish that she in DA 4 because her story isn´t finished. I do. Leliana retires or is Divine Victoria. Cassandra rebuilds the Seeker and/or is Divine Victoria.
They will be mentioned of course but both their roles in the game / DA 4 will be replaced with Charter (new Leliana) and Harding (new Cassandra, companion and likely the recruiter from the new hero) Dagna? I think you mean Harding but if you really mean Dagna. Sorry i really don´t see her in Tevinter. And Inquisitior could be in DA 4 but i hope that he/she isn´t. DAI Hawke als NPC didn´t work for me.
My foundation would be Charter, Harding, new Hero and from Lucerni faction Dorian and Maevaris.
I think were not on the same page here. I'm not asking for any of those people to be companions. Instead, I'm thinking of them being advisors. It would make the ending of Trespasser stupid if those four (yes, I meant Harding) don't appear. It doesn't mean Cassandra won't be rebuilding the Seekers. Under what circumstances would you disregard the ending?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 23, 2018 21:49:44 GMT
Anders if you let him live, Merrill, The architect and Isabel. Could you have imagined a Corypheus vs Architect battle? I'm sure it would have been great.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 23, 2018 22:04:51 GMT
I think were not on the same page here. I'm not asking for any of those people to be companions. Instead, I'm thinking of them being advisors. I mean appearances in generell. So no Leliana (Jeez i don´t hate Leliana but i am so tired of her.) and
Cassandra in any form rather than some mentions. Leliana is no longer necessary for future games. Charter will replace Leliana in her role as Inquisition spymaster in every world state. Don´t forget she disappear as Lyrium ghost if you had killed her in DAO.
Cassandra is likely the common choice for Divine Victoria. Also if you don´t use the Keep. Therefore she is busy in managing the church.
Disregard? I have just another interpretation than you.
Also i have played the previous games and notices patterns how Bioware told their stories.
They typical choose the easiest way in their story telling and most of their chosen returning characters don´t have a lot of baggage.
One big fact is that both of them could be Divine Victoria and this would limit her screentime because it would strange to have the Divine in a warzone like Tevinter. Or you think that the Divine is the whole game in Tevinter, Seheron, Arlathan or Weisshaupt (Anderfels) ?
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Post by Ameridan on Dec 23, 2018 23:42:53 GMT
Anders if you let him live, Merrill, The architect and Isabel. Could you have imagined a Corypheus vs Architect battle? I'm sure it would have been great. yeah it would of been cool. He was meant to show up in inquisition but got cut.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 23, 2018 23:58:20 GMT
Disregard? I have just another interpretation than you. The very end of DAI has the Inquisitor, Leliana, Cassandra and Harding coming together SPECIFICALLY to deal with Solas and, apparently, go to Tevinter. So, I ask, under what circumstances do you ignore that ending? There's no question that the ending was meant to show us that they'd be dealing with the problem in the next game.
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Post by copper on Dec 24, 2018 6:07:59 GMT
Disregard? I have just another interpretation than you. The very end of DAI has the Inquisitor, Leliana, Cassandra and Harding coming together SPECIFICALLY to deal with Solas and, apparently, go to Tevinter. So, I ask, under what circumstances do you ignore that ending? There's no question that the ending was meant to show us that they'd be dealing with the problem in the next game. To me it seemed like they were getting ready to find people to pass off the gauntlet to, what with the whole "let's find people he doesn't know" line. I can see Harding being the bridge companion between the two games, both to represent the Inquisition's interests in the new protagonist's party and because she's already popular with fans.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 24, 2018 11:32:09 GMT
Disregard? I have just another interpretation than you. The very end of DAI has the Inquisitor, Leliana, Cassandra and Harding coming together SPECIFICALLY to deal with Solas and, apparently, go to Tevinter. So, I ask, under what circumstances do you ignore that ending? There's no question that the ending was meant to show us that they'd be dealing with the problem in the next game. No but i see your problem. You assume that your world state is the only one Bioware have to consider in their storytelling but the truth is Bioware have to consider all possible decisions and therefore fates of every character. In previous games they typical chose to bring most of time characters back with little baggage or recton certain decisions about some of them.
So tell me why should Bioware bring Leliana back if they had previous allowed in DAI that she disappeared as Lyrium ghost in a world state where she was killed in DAO? This an option Bioware have to consider.
You also can see the line: "During this time, she spared many of her responsibilities with her most trusted agents,
including Charter, Rector and Harding." Bioware already had established a replacement for Leliana and her role as Inquisition spymaster. And this person is very likely Charter. Harding is more the recruiter and companion plus romance of the new hero. Like Cassandra she could be also Divine Victoria. She quit as spymaster if you had romanced her in DAO.
So why do DA 4 need Leliana in a major role if Bioware have Charter? A character who is always the same in every possible world state.
Cassandra on the other hand cannot die but she is in most world states and without using the optional Dragon Age Keep Divine Victoria. Like i said it would be very strange to see her as Divine Victoria walking around Tevinter, Seheron, Arlathan or Weisshaupt (Anderfels). But Bioware don´t need Cassandra anymore in a major role. There is her replacement Harding.
And last but not least then there is line that copper mentions.
To me it seemed like they were getting ready to find people to pass off the gauntlet to, what with the whole "let's find people he doesn't know" line. I can see Harding being the bridge companion between the two games, both to represent the Inquisition's interests in the new protagonist's party and because she's already popular with fans. Exactly. By the way Bioware devs and writers love her too.
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Post by Augustei on Dec 24, 2018 11:53:33 GMT
Zevran, and I want to see him in charge of the Antivan Crows already, hopefully I get to help him get there.
I want a very brief Sten cameo to see how he's doing maybe share a moment, but then I want him to get the hell out of there since with the Tevinter-Qunari war the more screentime he has the higher chance he'll end up dead.
I want to see Loghain again, I always want to see Loghain but this time in my canon he is the de-facto leader of the Orlesian Wardens so that'd be too awesome to miss.
Also i'm curious what Nathaniel and Velanna are up to.
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Post by Augustei on Dec 24, 2018 11:54:40 GMT
Anders if you let him live, Merrill, The architect and Isabel. Could you have imagined a Corypheus vs Architect battle? I'm sure it would have been great. Oh damn I was just thinking companions, including all characters I want to see The Architect above all others.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 24, 2018 11:59:39 GMT
I want a very brief Sten cameo to see how he's doing maybe share a moment, but then I want him to get the hell out of there since with the Tevinter-Qunari war the more screentime he has the higher chance he'll end up dead. You know that Sten is the new Arishok and therefore the leader of the Qunari military, right?
Its almost impossible that he isn´t a major character in DA4. I doubt that Bioware bring Loghain ever back. In 95% of all the player world states he is dead.
Also he had his perfect heroic ending. Twice i would say. Slaying the archdemon or staying in the fade.
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Post by Obadiah on Dec 24, 2018 15:31:31 GMT
Anyone mention Oghren yet? Seriously, he was the most annoying returning character in DAA (decent character arc though). I just want to see the collective WTF expression from the community if he shows up yelling, "Oghren!" He's like a drunk Wolverine.
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Post by Obadiah on Dec 24, 2018 15:40:00 GMT
...also, if the Warden Commander actually made an appearance in DA4, that might trigger a Rocky themesong hallucination.
Also, a training montage with the Warden Commander and Hawke wouldn't hurt....
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 24, 2018 16:10:11 GMT
The very end of DAI has the Inquisitor, Leliana, Cassandra and Harding coming together SPECIFICALLY to deal with Solas and, apparently, go to Tevinter. So, I ask, under what circumstances do you ignore that ending? There's no question that the ending was meant to show us that they'd be dealing with the problem in the next game. To me it seemed like they were getting ready to find people to pass off the gauntlet to, what with the whole "let's find people he doesn't know" line. I can see Harding being the bridge companion between the two games, both to represent the Inquisition's interests in the new protagonist's party and because she's already popular with fans. Really? The way the Inquisitor threw down that dagger makes it sound like "here's our target".
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Post by themikefest on Dec 24, 2018 16:14:57 GMT
I'm actually surprised Merrill didn't appear given her connection to the Eluvian. Whether she rebuilt it or not, she might have a sense of how it works. So, yeah, I'd use her. I'm not. She can be killed in DA2 depending on what the player chooses to do.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 24, 2018 16:16:15 GMT
I'm actually surprised Merrill didn't appear given her connection to the Eluvian. Whether she rebuilt it or not, she might have a sense of how it works. So, yeah, I'd use her. I'm not. She can be killed in DA2 depending on what the player chooses to do. Leliana can also be killed. If BW wants to find a way around it they will.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 24, 2018 16:23:27 GMT
Leliana can also be killed. If BW wants to find a way around it they will. They got a lot of criticism for that. If DAI hadn´t needed Merrill and then DA 4 is also fine without her. Also Merrill isn´t that much into Dalish stuff anymore. She helps the Kirkwall elves. I also could imagine that maybe Merrill even didn´t see herself as dalish anymore.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 24, 2018 18:02:25 GMT
I want to see Bethany/Carver. They've always been two of my favourites and their different possible fates could make for some good continuity.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 24, 2018 18:21:55 GMT
They got a lot of criticism for that. What bugs me is that despite there being a lot of Lyrium around the Temple of Sacred Ashes (according to Oghren), there's a way better explanation they could have used instead.
Why not say she was a Fade Spirit impersonating the real Leliana, much like the Guardian and other Spirits encountered in the Gauntlet, "Justinia" in the Fade, "Telana" in JoH or Cole? Perhaps the slain Guardian or Wynne's spirit (since she can perish there too) hopped into her body and was able to revive her?
Even saying she was the Guardian from Origins would have made marginally more sense, as you have to fight him if you desecrate the Ashes. Having the slain Guardian reform himself as Leliana, would have explained where he disappeared to and the circumstances of her unexplained resurrection.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 24, 2018 18:33:13 GMT
I want to see Bethany/Carver. They've always been two of my favourites and their different possible fates could make for some good continuity. First i like them but its almost impossible that both are coming back in a visual appearances. Their different fates and their variable face options make it hard to justify it for Bioware to included them.
Maybe we can agree on a compromise? Charade Amell. Fixed face & stupid hair plus only one fate alive and a Red Jenny.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 24, 2018 18:40:58 GMT
Leliana can also be killed. If BW wants to find a way around it they will. They got a lot of criticism for that. If DAI hadn´t needed Merrill and then DA 4 is also fine without her. Also Merrill isn´t that much into Dalish stuff anymore. She helps the Kirkwall elves. I also could imagine that maybe Merrill even didn´t see herself as dalish anymore.
What the difference does it make which elves she helps? If Solas removes the Veil, all elves become immortal. Helping Solas helps the city and Dalish elves alike.
The reason I suggest her is because she knows about the Eluvians and Solas will almost certainly make use of the Crossroads. She's an expert on the Eluvians so much as anyone can be.
In any case, I'd like to see her.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 24, 2018 18:47:44 GMT
In any case, I'd like to see her.
I don´t because i like Merrill.
She already had enough drama in her life and therefore she should stay with her friends and possible lover Hawke in Kirkwall. Any encounter with Solas couldn´t well end for her.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 24, 2018 18:56:23 GMT
I want to see Bethany/Carver. They've always been two of my favourites and their different possible fates could make for some good continuity. First i like them but its almost impossible that both are coming back in a visual appearances. Their different fates and their variable face options make it hard to justify it for Bioware to included them.
Maybe we can agree on a compromise? Charade Amell. Fixed face & stupid hair plus only one fate alive and a Red Jenny.
I'd love to see Charade again, but surely characters like Bethany and Carver with multiple possible fates are precisely the sort of characters Bioware should be bringing back to make players feel their choices had an effect on the world? As for the appearance issue, as there are only a limited number of possible appearances for them, it should be possible to specify in the Keep what they looked like.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 24, 2018 19:11:38 GMT
I'd love to see Charade again, but surely characters like Bethany and Carver with multiple possible fates are precisely the sort of characters Bioware should be bringing back to make players feel their choices had an effect on the world? They are other characters like Fenris or sidequest characters like Feynriel who are lot easier to include than Bethany and Carver. Also many players didn´t played DA 2 or even the previous games so why include them and waste ressources? Without using the optional Keep or should i say Bioware canon world state the Hawke sibling is Carver as Templar. We both like Carver but i can assure you that Carver isn´t that beloved by most than Bethany.
Sorry but Bioware can really save their limited ressoucres for something else.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 24, 2018 21:07:33 GMT
In any case, I'd like to see her.
I don´t because i like Merrill.
She already had enough drama in her life and therefore she should stay with her friends and possible lover Hawke in Kirkwall. Any encounter with Solas couldn´t well end for her.
Maybe. Could be she switches sides once she realizes that the return of the elves to power will likely kill everyone else, or at least lead to their enslavement. Then she escapes and reveals the plan.
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