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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 24, 2018 21:15:06 GMT
. Sorry but Bioware can really save their limited ressoucres for something else.
I agree. The Keep doesn't need to save appearance, just as the one for ME doesn't. You can tweak Hawke a little but if it's import doesn't it bring his/her appearance along?
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Post by Ser_PJ on Dec 24, 2018 21:32:59 GMT
I'd love to see Charade again, but surely characters like Bethany and Carver with multiple possible fates are precisely the sort of characters Bioware should be bringing back to make players feel their choices had an effect on the world? They are other characters like Fenris or sidequest characters like Feynriel who are lot easier to include than Bethany and Carver. Also many players didn´t played DA 2 or even the previous games so why include them and waste ressources? Without using the optional Keep or should i say Bioware canon world state the Hawke sibling is Carver as Templar. We both like Carver but i can assure you that Carver isn´t that beloved by most than Bethany.
Sorry but Bioware can really save their limited ressoucres for something else.
Could Bioware just see what skin tone is used based on hawke in DAI and just import one generic Carver/Bethany face shape. The faces of characters change so much between games that i doubt many people would care if their preset 5 Bethany looked more like preset one, (provided the race was kept.)
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 24, 2018 23:35:48 GMT
Maybe. Could be she switches sides once she realizes that the return of the elves to power will likely kill everyone else, or at least lead to their enslavement. Then she escapes and reveals the plan. Or she is dead because of drama. By the way Merrill isn´t the only dalish mage. I really hate Velanna but i would still prefer her over Merrill. She has more the unfinished storyline than Merrill. I get why you want Merrill in DA4 but for me this just bad fanservice. I like Merrill but i don´t want her to appear in DA 4 because she should be safe in Kirkwall.
Could Bioware just see what skin tone is used based on hawke in DAI and just import one generic Carver/Bethany face shape. The faces of characters change so much between games that i doubt many people would care if their preset 5 Bethany looked more like preset one, (provided the race was kept.) Why??? Bioware should do it completely right or they should drop this idea. Also this didn´t change the fact that at least one of them could be dead. Its also possible that both are dead.
Here are the all Fates from Bethany and Carver. - Bethany died escaping Lothering / Bethany became a Circle Mage / Bethany became a Grey Warden or Bethany died in the Deep Roads
- Bethany did not live to see the war / Bethany survived the final battle or Bethany was killed during the final battle
- Carver died escaping Lothering/ Carver became a Templar / Carver became a Grey Warden or Carver died in the Deep Roads
Combined it with the all the face option it isn´t impossible to do it but it costs unnecessary ressources who should be spent elsewhere. Remember your Bethany / Carver is only one of many possibilities. And using the Keep is Optional. The Bioware canon without the Keep is Carver as Templar. Sorry but it would be strange if we meet Templar Carver in Tevinter, Seheron or Weisshaupt.
Like i said maybe we can agree on the compromise Charade Amell?
This would be a lot easier for Bioware (One Face & One Fate) and the fans get the next best choice.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 25, 2018 5:16:56 GMT
Or she is dead because of drama. By the way Merrill isn't the only dalish mage. I wasn't considering her being a mage to be a factor. She's connected to Flemeth (Mythal), she rebuilt (or wanted to) the Eluvian (access to Crossroads), she has knowledge of elven lore beyond the average elf and she wants the elves raised up. Setting aside personal feelings about Merrill, it's hard not to see how perfectly she'd work as an ally of Solas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 5:31:03 GMT
I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Charade again. She seemed pretty cool. She's a tie between not only Hawke, but also Sera. And she's in Tantervale, which is pretty close to Tevinter. My only concern is that she'd be another ranged rogue Red Jenny.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 25, 2018 7:48:22 GMT
Shale or Morrigan if they remain safe. However if Bioware wishes to abuse them in any way shape or form then I'd prefer not to see either.
I liked a few characters from DA2 but I wasn't as endeared to them like the group from origins. I do love carver but I doubt that would happen, and they'd probably just give him another way to die.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 25, 2018 20:41:54 GMT
Or she is dead because of drama. By the way Merrill isn't the only dalish mage. I wasn't considering her being a mage to be a factor. She's connected to Flemeth (Mythal), she rebuilt (or wanted to) the Eluvian (access to Crossroads), she has knowledge of elven lore beyond the average elf and she wants the elves raised up. Setting aside personal feelings about Merrill, it's hard not to see how perfectly she'd work as an ally of Solas. I read that more as her being perfect to work as an ally of us rather than Solas.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 26, 2018 17:41:47 GMT
Well, I'm gonna throw in my opinion. From DAO: Sten: I mean, if we're focusing on the Tevinter/Qunari war for the next game, he NEEDS to be there, since he's the new Arishok and all. Shale: I'm fond of that gal. I want to see her back (unlike most people, I want her to return as the golem she is.) Oghren: Since it also appears we'll get Grey Warden plot in the next games, I'd like Oghren to return either in DA4 or DA5. Zevran: I just want him in the game From DAA: Any Squadmate: See Oghren to know why. But I guess Velanna also because of the elven plot Architect: Ever since I heard he was always supposed to show up in DAI, I have wanted him to show up for DA4. From DA2: Merrill: Extremely likely to be relevant in the Solas storyline, what with the Eluvians and all. Fenris: At the very least, I'd like a cameo. In general, Awakening and 2 got characters that really could use a return. Some more than others.
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Post by Ieldra on Dec 27, 2018 8:41:53 GMT
I'm much more concerned about characters not appearing because they could die, but then, ME3 had some characters die offscreen so even not appearing isn't safe.
Having said that, I'd want to see Sigrun again. And Shale.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 28, 2018 1:56:29 GMT
Well, I'm gonna throw in my opinion. From DAO: Shale: I'm fond of that gal. I want to see her back (unlike most people, I want her to return as the golem she is.) 100% agreement here. I have no desire to see a dwarven shale and speaking for myself, her being a golem was part of the charm.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jan 2, 2019 9:54:29 GMT
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Sten - He is Arishok now, if the qun invasion is just a backdrop then his prescence will still be felt as he is leading it, if the protagonists deals with it directly then they'll probably have the oppurtunity to meet him.
Shale - She went to find out if she could become flesh again, regardless of the outcome of that search her story would benefit from a resolution and in her search she could have experianced/discovered any variety of weird/rare magic that could be important.
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Velanna - whether they have her working with the Architect; or taking the Warden Commander's gift to heart and trying to create new stories/traditions for the dalish; or as part of the warden plotline - she has more story left to tell. I'd love to see Dalish opposing Solas, perhaps she could be a part of/leading that?
The Architect - I doubt he's really dead when you kill him and he's connected to the blight, darkspawn, the calling, ancient tevinter, and the wardens so he's got alot of story potential.
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Isabela - no matter what it seems that she returns to the Feliscima Armarda. The Qunari have an extremely strong navy, so much so that this pirate alliance was formed to help combat them during a previous invasion, so now that the qun is renewing its offense we may see naval elements of the war. If we do then we may also see the armarda and potentially Isabela (particurly if she really is an admiral)
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 3, 2019 5:11:19 GMT
Or she is dead because of drama. By the way Merrill isn't the only dalish mage. I wasn't considering her being a mage to be a factor. She's connected to Flemeth (Mythal), she rebuilt (or wanted to) the Eluvian (access to Crossroads), she has knowledge of elven lore beyond the average elf and she wants the elves raised up. Setting aside personal feelings about Merrill, it's hard not to see how perfectly she'd work as an ally of Solas. But Solas DOESN'T want to uplift modern elves. He's perfectly willing to kill them in pursuit of his perfect world as much as anyone else. Getting involved with him wouldn't help the Dalish at all, and Merrill also has people she cares for who are not elves. As I've said earlier. It's not in ANY modern elf's interest to help Solas. Even if they don't immediately die (which is the outcome Solas expects, by the way), they face potential death or slavery at the hands of the Evanuris, if Solas fails to "deal with" them.
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Post by vit246 on Jan 3, 2019 7:59:06 GMT
I wasn't considering her being a mage to be a factor. She's connected to Flemeth (Mythal), she rebuilt (or wanted to) the Eluvian (access to Crossroads), she has knowledge of elven lore beyond the average elf and she wants the elves raised up. Setting aside personal feelings about Merrill, it's hard not to see how perfectly she'd work as an ally of Solas. But Solas DOESN'T want to uplift modern elves. He's perfectly willing to kill them in pursuit of his perfect world as much as anyone else. Getting involved with him wouldn't help the Dalish at all, and Merrill also has people she cares for who are not elves. As I've said earlier. It's not in ANY modern elf's interest to help Solas. Even if they don't immediately die (which is the outcome Solas expects, by the way), they face potential death or slavery at the hands of the Evanuris, if Solas fails to "deal with" them. Personally I'm disappointed with his plan's inability to uplift modern elves. I think it would've added an interesting conflict for modern elves: help him and you get a better world for elves at the price of destroying everyone else, or don't help him and instead find another way to create a better world with more difficulty. Instead it's one-sided and binary and the only real choice is to oppose him. I also don't like how the Evanuris are unambiguously evil with no other sides to them.
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 3, 2019 13:00:51 GMT
But Solas DOESN'T want to uplift modern elves. He's perfectly willing to kill them in pursuit of his perfect world as much as anyone else. Getting involved with him wouldn't help the Dalish at all, and Merrill also has people she cares for who are not elves. As I've said earlier. It's not in ANY modern elf's interest to help Solas. Even if they don't immediately die (which is the outcome Solas expects, by the way), they face potential death or slavery at the hands of the Evanuris, if Solas fails to "deal with" them. Personally I'm disappointed with his plan's inability to uplift modern elves. I think it would've added an interesting conflict for modern elves: help him and you get a better world for elves at the price of destroying everyone else, or don't help him and instead find another way to create a better world with more difficulty. Instead it's one-sided and binary and the only real choice is to oppose him. I also don't like how the Evanuris are unambiguously evil with no other sides to them. i'm disappointed with the simplistic presentation of the plan. I'm also annoyed with the heavy handed negative spin put on the Evanuris and their society. Hope we get more nuance if we ever get to meet them rather than bioware showing them as moustache twirling villains
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Post by davkar on Jan 6, 2019 17:36:42 GMT
I'd welcome anyone. Former companions, named characters that would make sense for the themes (elves, magic, wardens) should take priority but I wouldn't mind if we get new 'Cullens' too. He was an insignificant, borderline annoying character and they promoted him to an interesting, leading (ha, literally!) role. But! But! Whoever are the returning ones please, please! improve their looks and armors! I liked Leliana's spymaster gear but when Morrigan appeared in her old outfit... Non-ritual is sort of acceptable (even though that version spent years in the imperial court too), but MoMorrigan should've had a wardrobe upgrade.
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Post by summonabear on Jan 7, 2019 2:52:49 GMT
I really liked seeing Connor in DAI. I would love to get some more cameos from minor NPCs in the next game. My top pick would be Feynriel.
If we're going to do some kind of warden side plot it would be nice to get appearances some of the DAA crew or other warden characters. I'd like to see an alive Anders involved in a small quest with this too! Being a warden seems like something you can never really get out of.
I do think including Carver/Bethany is probably too complicated for them to actually do. If they do something similar to the war table missions in the next game it would be a good opportunity to make some content for those characters that would be harder to have actually make an appearance.
Ultimately I think it's better to have returning characters just make small appearances that can be kept in line with everyone's different world states.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 7, 2019 17:54:04 GMT
I'd welcome anyone. Former companions, named characters that would make sense for the themes (elves, magic, wardens) should take priority but I wouldn't mind if we get new 'Cullens' too. He was an insignificant, borderline annoying character and they promoted him to an interesting, leading (ha, literally!) role. But! But! Whoever are the returning ones please, please! improve their looks and armors! I liked Leliana's spymaster gear but when Morrigan appeared in her old outfit... Non-ritual is sort of acceptable (even though that version spent years in the imperial court too), but MoMorrigan should've had a wardrobe upgrade. I think her being a mom makes zero difference, I just hate that she's been wearing the exact same outfit for TEN YEARS. Please god, Alistair and Leliana and Cullen and Dagna, even Isabela in MP, etc. all got outfit upgrades, so she stands out as some serious wtf. I read somewhere that they kept her in that outfit because it's iconic, but in this case I think realism should've won out...
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 7, 2019 19:47:59 GMT
I'd welcome anyone. Former companions, named characters that would make sense for the themes (elves, magic, wardens) should take priority but I wouldn't mind if we get new 'Cullens' too. He was an insignificant, borderline annoying character and they promoted him to an interesting, leading (ha, literally!) role. But! But! Whoever are the returning ones please, please! improve their looks and armors! I liked Leliana's spymaster gear but when Morrigan appeared in her old outfit... Non-ritual is sort of acceptable (even though that version spent years in the imperial court too), but MoMorrigan should've had a wardrobe upgrade. I think her being a mom makes zero difference, I just hate that she's been wearing the exact same outfit for TEN YEARS. Please god, Alistair and Leliana and Cullen and Dagna, even Isabela in MP, etc. all got outfit upgrades, so she stands out as some serious wtf. I read somewhere that they kept her in that outfit because it's iconic, but in this case I think realism should've won out... Well… she did have different clothes on in the Winter Palace, so one can only assume that she dug up her old adventuring clothes to travel to Skyhold…. Or something .
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 7, 2019 20:30:51 GMT
I think her being a mom makes zero difference, I just hate that she's been wearing the exact same outfit for TEN YEARS. Please god, Alistair and Leliana and Cullen and Dagna, even Isabela in MP, etc. all got outfit upgrades, so she stands out as some serious wtf. I read somewhere that they kept her in that outfit because it's iconic, but in this case I think realism should've won out... Well… she did have different clothes on in the Winter Palace, so one can only assume that she dug up her old adventuring clothes to travel to Skyhold…. Or something . I love how her Winter Palace outfit is exactly what Leliana described in DAO. Leliana: You are very beautiful Morrigan. Morrigan: Tell me something I do not know. Leliana: But you always dress in such rags. It suits you I suppose. A little tear here, a little rip there to show some skin. I understand. Morrigan: You understand I lived in a forest, I hope? Leliana: Maybe we could get you in a nice dress one day. Silk. No, maybe velvet. Velvet is heavier, better to guard against the cold in Ferelden. Dark red velvet, yes. With gold embroidery. It should be cut low in the front of course, we don't want to hide your features. Morrigan: Stop looking at my breasts like that. 'Tis most disturbing! Leliana: You don't think so? And if it's cut low in the front we must put your hair up to show off that lovely neck. Morrigan: You are insane. I would sooner let Alistair dress me. Leliana: It'll be fun, I promise! We'll get some shoes too! Ah, shoes! We could go shopping together!
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 7, 2019 21:24:57 GMT
I really liked seeing Connor in DAI. I would love to get some more cameos from minor NPCs in the next game. My top pick would be Feynriel. Connor was ok but it was a bit disappointing that a possessed Connor didn´t get a cameo/small bossfight. I would prefer if Feynriel makes a return in DA 4 that all of his 3 fates will feature in the game. Also Bioware should give Dreamer Feynriel a cool moment where his powers really shine. His DA 2 Act 3 quest was lame.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 7, 2019 22:04:05 GMT
While I disliked how they made Dagna the same whether she had help from the HOF or not, I could see them doing the same with Feynriel being in Tevinter. He can already be in Tevinter. If not, then we know that Tranquility can be reversed, so a small mention of why he is no longer tranquil will fix that. Also, since Kirkwall wet to heck, it's not impossible that he ended up in Tevinter somehow. If he's possesed, then they could make some extra/alt lines and put in some sort of distortion on the voice to make it sound demonic. Either way, a Dreamer/Stalker might be useful when battling Solas.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 7, 2019 22:22:53 GMT
While I disliked how they made Dagna the same whether she had help from the HOF or not, I could see them doing the same with Feynriel being in Tevinter. I personally really loved that Dagna follow her dream even without the help of the Warden. I don´t general like that NPCs couldn´t evolve on their own and are totally dependent from the player.
Also it was only a job placement what the Warden did. This didn´t chance Dagnas dream to study magic.
For Feynriel i would prefer if Bioware stick with his 3 fates. Bioware could do this but would be cooler if it more different for each choice. But Bevin (the Adventurer ) as another example could be simplified like Dagna.
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Post by davkar on Jan 7, 2019 22:51:02 GMT
I'd welcome anyone. Former companions, named characters that would make sense for the themes (elves, magic, wardens) should take priority but I wouldn't mind if we get new 'Cullens' too. He was an insignificant, borderline annoying character and they promoted him to an interesting, leading (ha, literally!) role. But! But! Whoever are the returning ones please, please! improve their looks and armors! I liked Leliana's spymaster gear but when Morrigan appeared in her old outfit... Non-ritual is sort of acceptable (even though that version spent years in the imperial court too), but MoMorrigan should've had a wardrobe upgrade. I think her being a mom makes zero difference, I just hate that she's been wearing the exact same outfit for TEN YEARS. Please god, Alistair and Leliana and Cullen and Dagna, even Isabela in MP, etc. all got outfit upgrades, so she stands out as some serious wtf. I read somewhere that they kept her in that outfit because it's iconic, but in this case I think realism should've won out... Well of course it does. No-ritual can keep the original design; maybe add another 30 belts to her skirt and 4 extra birds worth of feather to her shoulderpads. But give MoMorrigan fantasy mom jeans with something less revealing. I don't think that creating 2 different outfits for her would've increased the dev cost of the game. We can craft 2 types of armor with various leg and shoulder combinations (+colors) for the companions, Alistair has a warden and king armor variants, Hawke has 6 'different' champion gear (yeah, reused models but still). Someone was lazy.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 7, 2019 22:57:36 GMT
I think her being a mom makes zero difference, I just hate that she's been wearing the exact same outfit for TEN YEARS. Please god, Alistair and Leliana and Cullen and Dagna, even Isabela in MP, etc. all got outfit upgrades, so she stands out as some serious wtf. I read somewhere that they kept her in that outfit because it's iconic, but in this case I think realism should've won out... Well of course it does. No-ritual can keep the original design; maybe add another 30 belts to her skirt and 4 extra birds worth of feather to her shoulderpads. But give MoMorrigan fantasy mom jeans with something less revealing. I don't think that creating 2 different outfits for her would've increased the dev cost of the game. We can craft 2 types of armor with various leg and shoulder combinations (+colors) for the companions, Alistair has a warden and king armor variants, Hawke has 6 'different' champion gear (yeah, reused models but still). I just meant that being a mom doesn't mean she should wear less revealing clothes. She's still the same person. (Though I think she should wear different clothes anyway 'cause that outfit is tired after ten years.)
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