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Post by henkiedepost on Feb 20, 2019 16:15:08 GMT
Not really sure if I actually want a new Mass Effect game. I do know that I'm not interested in Andromeda 2, which the new game is probably going to be, but a story focussed Milky Way spin-off might work. It just feels strange that I'm currently not enthusiastic at all about the prospect of a new Mass Effect game. The original trilogy is probably my favourite gaming trilogy of all time, but DAI, MEA and now Anthem have made me quite skeptical about new games coming from Bioware.
I will be following any details about a new Mass Effect game though. I hope that I'm proven wrong and that a new Mass Effect game will once again be a great experience. We'll see.
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Post by General Mahad on Feb 25, 2019 5:33:35 GMT
After the failure that is anthem, it is with a heavy heart that I use this meme....
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 26, 2019 10:23:05 GMT
After the failure that is anthem, it is with a heavy heart that I use this meme.... Pretty much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 11:31:16 GMT
After the failure that is anthem, it is with a heavy heart that I use this meme.... Pretty much. Although anything could always happen... I wouldn't start your dancing on Bioware's or EA's grave just yet.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 26, 2019 13:08:15 GMT
Although anything could always happen... I wouldn't start your dancing on Bioware's or EA's grave just yet. You were saying?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 13:15:41 GMT
Although anything could always happen... I wouldn't start your dancing on Bioware's or EA's grave just yet. You were saying? I'll save my dancing for when all these shit for brains, parrot each other Youtube reviewers go the way of the dinosaur and have to find some honest work to do. Meanwhile, I'm just not watching them.
They''ve gotten a lot of 'mileage" (and bucks) from ranting about Mass Effect, Bioware and EA. If (perhaps even when) their favorite whipping boy goes under, they'll have to either 1) find a new target or 2) find another occupation. I'm hoping for the latter... but I'm actually betting on the former.
By their own admissions, their rants haven't affected the industry in any positive way... since they continue to rant that games and gaming development companies are getting worse and worse. Even though they forced a change to the ME endings through their rantings, they continue to rant over it.. so, obviously, they weren't happy with the effect they had there either. Perhaps positive changes only happen in more positive environments... and the gaming review environment has just gotten increasingly negative. In addition, it's also gotten stupidly silly with more and more ridiculous memes and antics that they seem to think passes for "being entertaining" these days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 22:57:11 GMT
The endings didn't get changed, only expanded upon. Also, they didn't give the protesters what they wanted. Quite the opposite. Starchild is still there. Not the closure people were hoping for. Refusing doesn't allow people to end the war via conventional means in a straight up firefight (or one that they could see the weight of their choices visually), only end up losing and the next cycle finishing off the Reapers. Destroying the Reapers doesn't spare all synthetic life, via some kind of argument presented to the Starchild.
Bioware stuck to their guns, and told those people we'll have it our way basically.
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Post by feuerrabe on Feb 27, 2019 0:21:45 GMT
I am inclined to say that Mass Effect is too valuable a brand, even in spite of the setbacks, to surrender it now. It just happens to be in an invonvenient state right now, as many people did not like Andromeda. Now they could continue a story that has a lot of negative attitute towards it, or leave in a unfinished story to be ignored out in the open, which is going to annoy a lot of people as well. I am not sure about Dragon Age; personally I liked it. I particularly liked Origins, did not like Dragon Age 2 at all, and ... Inquisition was fun, but at some point simply lost interest and playing it became a burden, I never played it through. If there was another I may or may not play it.
As to what Bioware might do now... Star Wars would be an option, as might be Back to the Roots. The Forgotten Realms. Given how Anthem developed yet another new Franchise might not be the best idea either.
An option that would limit investment would be the Quarian Arc DLC for Andromeda, that way it could be probed whether Andromeda can be salvaged after all. Devlop the companion characters a little more, add a little to Andromeda and try to sell it so that you EA might break even. There won't be a big revenue in it, but the risk would be comparably limited and if it was well received, it could give the now far more refined Andromeda a second wind. If it doesn't it will still have cost less than a complete new game. It wouldn't be as exciting as a new game as far as I am concerned, but it would be a life sign.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Feb 27, 2019 8:46:40 GMT
I am inclined to say that Mass Effect is too valuable a brand, even in spite of the setbacks, to surrender it now. It just happens to be in an invonvenient state right now, as many people did not like Andromeda. Now they could continue a story that has a lot of negative attitute towards it, or leave in a unfinished story to be ignored out in the open, which is going to annoy a lot of people as well.I am not sure about Dragon Age; personally I liked it. I particularly liked Origins, did not like Dragon Age 2 at all, and ... Inquisition was fun, but at some point simply lost interest and playing it became a burden, I never played it through. If there was another I may or may not play it.
As to what Bioware might do now... Star Wars would be an option, as might be Back to the Roots. The Forgotten Realms. Given how Anthem developed yet another new Franchise might not be the best idea either.
An option that would limit investment would be the Quarian Arc DLC for Andromeda, that way it could be probed whether Andromeda can be salvaged after all. Devlop the companion characters a little more, add a little to Andromeda and try to sell it so that you EA might break even. There won't be a big revenue in it, but the risk would be comparably limited and if it was well received, it could give the now far more refined Andromeda a second wind. If it doesn't it will still have cost less than a complete new game. It wouldn't be as exciting as a new game as far as I am concerned, but it would be a life sign.
I was thinking the same. They have to do something for the people that supported it, otherwise it will only make it worse if they don't. As for the dlc being good or not, that depends on the proper care and time they are gonna give. If they do these things right people that were disappointed could give it a chance and the positivity could lead to a sequel. If it's not then we are at the same state we are now.....People might hate all they want but the game shouldn't remain unfinished which is the most possible thing to happen. There's still some hopes though. Anyway nice to see a person thinking both ways and not only saying "let's bury/erase this game".
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Post by sil on Feb 27, 2019 12:17:09 GMT
I am inclined to say that Mass Effect is too valuable a brand, even in spite of the setbacks, to surrender it now. It just happens to be in an invonvenient state right now, as many people did not like Andromeda. Now they could continue a story that has a lot of negative attitute towards it, or leave in a unfinished story to be ignored out in the open, which is going to annoy a lot of people as well.I am not sure about Dragon Age; personally I liked it. I particularly liked Origins, did not like Dragon Age 2 at all, and ... Inquisition was fun, but at some point simply lost interest and playing it became a burden, I never played it through. If there was another I may or may not play it. As to what Bioware might do now... Star Wars would be an option, as might be Back to the Roots. The Forgotten Realms. Given how Anthem developed yet another new Franchise might not be the best idea either. An option that would limit investment would be the Quarian Arc DLC for Andromeda, that way it could be probed whether Andromeda can be salvaged after all. Devlop the companion characters a little more, add a little to Andromeda and try to sell it so that you EA might break even. There won't be a big revenue in it, but the risk would be comparably limited and if it was well received, it could give the now far more refined Andromeda a second wind. If it doesn't it will still have cost less than a complete new game. It wouldn't be as exciting as a new game as far as I am concerned, but it would be a life sign.
I was thinking the same. They have to do something for the people that supported it, otherwise it will only make it worse if they don't. As for the dlc being good or not, that depends on the proper care and time they are gonna give. If they do these things right people that were disappointed could give it a chance and the positivity could lead to a sequel. If it's not then we are at the same state we are now.....People might hate all they want but the game shouldn't remain unfinished which is the most possible thing to happen. There's still some hopes though. Anyway nice to see a person thinking both ways and not only saying "let's bury/erase this game". I still think the best course of action is for Bioware to make a sidequel/sequel to Andromeda. A standalone 'game' that acts as an expansion if you own the core Andromeda game. Make it about 15-20 hours of content, focus on linear missions like ME2/3 with a focus on characters, set in a small neighbouring cluster. The objective? Locate the Quarian Ark and help them escape whatever threat they've landed themselves in ( but not Kett, grow the story more with a separate species but don't make them an 'evil' faction, shades of grey is where ME shines). Keep the current squad but add the twin to mix things up a bit. If it's a success, add DLC that fleshes it out. It could even use the same MP system, but fleshed out with new weapons, enemies to fight and races to play as.
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Post by feuerrabe on Feb 27, 2019 15:20:12 GMT
That's certainly feasible, though I'd personally like it less. As far as the Kett are concerned: Well, I agree that they wouldn't make the ideal enemy, because we already had that on the other archs and the topic is pretty much through. It can't be followers of the Archon, because we have already defeated that guy and it would be pointless to bring that up again. The archon is, of course, only a figure in high dispute amongst the elite of the Kett. It's perfectly alright for them to be the bad guys and that doesn't contradict adding depth and complexity to them. I do like clear contrasts in story telling and think that Andromeda had a good balance between the complex issues of different peoples with competing interests on the one hand and a clear bad guy on the other. Still; for a limited scope expansion regarding the Quarian Arch, it would not be ideal. The in-game hook did have a bit of the flair of horror setting, so something sinister, more psychological must have happened there, I suppose.
I would not subscribe to the sentiment that it was the shades of grey that made ME shine... ME is a heroic epic and while Ryder isn't exactly a hero of legend yet, we just got to meet him / her at an earlier point in his / her heroes path. Heroic epics need monsters to battle. The problem with shades of grey is; well, you need them to round the story of but a story that is all grey in grey may be subtle, but it certainly isn't spectacular.
EDIT: Forgot to mention: I think that the approach that Andromeda had to different zones of exploration was pretty cool and felt like a worthy continuation of the legacy of exploration that Bioware has (meaning games such as Baldur's Gate, Knights of the Old Republic). To confine it into tunnels again would be a shame.
As far as the companions are concerned (WARNING: Whoever takes the following paragraph too serious does so at their own risk): Could I just accidentally™ hit the eject button for Peebee's escape pod and put Suvi in a combat suit instead? Or maybe Peebee just wanders off to explore Meridian? Suvi may not have biotic abilities, but she can still be an Adept... she always had latent biotic abilities which she regarded as manifestation of her faith. So with a little crash course from Kora she manages to combine her latent abilities to spread the word of god and do some serious battlefield preaching. With the ability to summon angels (energy drones), a divine vortex ability (which is yellow/white rather than the usual black/blue) and a submachine pistol. Not to mention some lightning ability.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 27, 2019 15:44:40 GMT
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Post by degs29 on Feb 27, 2019 16:40:05 GMT
^^^ "show don't tell" is a good mentality to have when it comes to the gaming industry. Devs will say all the right things only for the reality to be the opposite. That said I do expect them to keep making DA/ME games, I think it's just a matter of what they will be that will have people being cautious. Exactly! I'm not afraid of Bioware going away. I'm afraid of what they're becoming.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 27, 2019 18:10:42 GMT
I'll save my dancing for when all these shit for brains, parrot each other Youtube reviewers go the way of the dinosaur and have to find some honest work to do. Meanwhile, I'm just not watching them.
They''ve gotten a lot of 'mileage" (and bucks) from ranting about Mass Effect, Bioware and EA. If (perhaps even when) their favorite whipping boy goes under, they'll have to either 1) find a new target or 2) find another occupation. I'm hoping for the latter... but I'm actually betting on the former.
By their own admissions, their rants haven't affected the industry in any positive way... since they continue to rant that games and gaming development companies are getting worse and worse. Even though they forced a change to the ME endings through their rantings, they continue to rant over it.. so, obviously, they weren't happy with the effect they had there either. Perhaps positive changes only happen in more positive environments... and the gaming review environment has just gotten increasingly negative. In addition, it's also gotten stupidly silly with more and more ridiculous memes and antics that they seem to think passes for "being entertaining" these days.
All I can say is: Thank God you're not a BW developer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 21:28:04 GMT
I'll save my dancing for when all these shit for brains, parrot each other Youtube reviewers go the way of the dinosaur and have to find some honest work to do. Meanwhile, I'm just not watching them.
They''ve gotten a lot of 'mileage" (and bucks) from ranting about Mass Effect, Bioware and EA. If (perhaps even when) their favorite whipping boy goes under, they'll have to either 1) find a new target or 2) find another occupation. I'm hoping for the latter... but I'm actually betting on the former.
By their own admissions, their rants haven't affected the industry in any positive way... since they continue to rant that games and gaming development companies are getting worse and worse. Even though they forced a change to the ME endings through their rantings, they continue to rant over it.. so, obviously, they weren't happy with the effect they had there either. Perhaps positive changes only happen in more positive environments... and the gaming review environment has just gotten increasingly negative. In addition, it's also gotten stupidly silly with more and more ridiculous memes and antics that they seem to think passes for "being entertaining" these days.
All I can say is: Thank God you're not a BW developer. Promise?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 27, 2019 22:48:08 GMT
I'll save my dancing for when all these shit for brains, parrot each other Youtube reviewers go the way of the dinosaur and have to find some honest work to do. Meanwhile, I'm just not watching them.
They''ve gotten a lot of 'mileage" (and bucks) from ranting about Mass Effect, Bioware and EA. If (perhaps even when) their favorite whipping boy goes under, they'll have to either 1) find a new target or 2) find another occupation. I'm hoping for the latter... but I'm actually betting on the former.
By their own admissions, their rants haven't affected the industry in any positive way... since they continue to rant that games and gaming development companies are getting worse and worse. Even though they forced a change to the ME endings through their rantings, they continue to rant over it.. so, obviously, they weren't happy with the effect they had there either. Perhaps positive changes only happen in more positive environments... and the gaming review environment has just gotten increasingly negative. In addition, it's also gotten stupidly silly with more and more ridiculous memes and antics that they seem to think passes for "being entertaining" these days.
All I can say is: Thank God you're not a BW developer. Thank God you aren't either.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 28, 2019 1:25:44 GMT
The endings didn't get changed, only expanded upon. Also, they didn't give the protesters what they wanted. Quite the opposite. Starchild is still there. Not the closure people were hoping for. Refusing doesn't allow people to end the war via conventional means in a straight up firefight (or one that they could see the weight of their choices visually), only end up losing and the next cycle finishing off the Reapers. Destroying the Reapers doesn't spare all synthetic life, via some kind of argument presented to the Starchild. Bioware stuck to their guns, and told those people we'll have it our way basically. Of course, those people were asking for something stupid, and deserved to be let down.
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Post by feuerrabe on Feb 28, 2019 8:58:26 GMT
Hm. Why formulate it so confrontational? The thing with the ending Mass Effect 3 was: To actually change the ending was never going to happen, and not a realistic thing to ask for. The story already told, to just change the story retroactively to what the audience wanted woud have cost a lot of confusion and rendered the entire Mass Effect story meaningless. One cannot unhear a story that one has already heard. The situation was somewhat similar to the uproar of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's fans when he let his character Sherlock Holmes die (primarily because he got fed up with writing Sherlock Holmes die). After he tried mitigate the problem by writing additional stories from Sherlock Holmes past before the event, the pressure by the fans did not let up. And he wrote another story describing how his character did not die after all. But he did not revoke the story, he had to come up with a way to undo its effects without changing it. To just say "This story I wrote there... forget that it ever happened" wouldn't have worked. In the revised version the biggest problems that I had with the original ending were addressed: - Why did the Normandy flee the battle? (In the revised version, all ships were ordered to disengage.)
- With the destruction of the mass relays it takes years to pass through the galaxy, especially considering that that ships need to discharge in regular intervals. It would take decades to travel between the home worlds of the various species. If the network breaks down, there is no galactic society anymore and everything Shepard achieved throughout the game becomes irrelevant. The only choice throughout the game that would have mattered would have the final one, red, green or blue. All other would have been wiped. It would have been the end of not only the Mass Effect trilogy, but the end of the Mass Effect universe. (In the revised version, the mass relays were somehow repaired, which should have been impossible but, whatever, I'll take it.)
It wasn't the ending I would have hoped for; the dialogue battle with TIM (which wasn't really a battle because the player had no actual control whatsoever, it all depended on the point score) was still rubbish and my opinion about the star child (which was obviously a mad AI, i.e. the real problem was not the star child, it makes perfect sense for it not to make sense, the problem was Shepard's reaction to it; like Bowman had agreed to everything that HAL 9000 said or did).
To actually change the story after it had been told would have invalidated it as a whole.
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Post by anarchy65 on Feb 28, 2019 14:29:31 GMT
After the failure that is anthem, it is with a heavy heart that I use this meme.... WHAT? YOU CAN'T CALL ANTHEM A FAILURE JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO PLAYED AND LIKED IT SO IT'S ONLY A FAILURE TO YOU [BSN forum fanboy mode turned off]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 17:46:36 GMT
The endings didn't get changed, only expanded upon. Also, they didn't give the protesters what they wanted. Quite the opposite. Starchild is still there. Not the closure people were hoping for. Refusing doesn't allow people to end the war via conventional means in a straight up firefight (or one that they could see the weight of their choices visually), only end up losing and the next cycle finishing off the Reapers. Destroying the Reapers doesn't spare all synthetic life, via some kind of argument presented to the Starchild. Bioware stuck to their guns, and told those people we'll have it our way basically. Fair enough, but I did say they "forced A change" - Expanding on them is, IMO, still a change and adding a refusal option is a change. Certainly not the changes they were asking for. For some, though, the changes Bioware made were an improvement over the original. For others, they weren't. For me, they weren't... but for different reasons than most. I like the originals better than the expanded ones.
If Youtube ranting was really working... AAA games would be improving according to those same people doing the ranting. However, they are usually the first to say that AAA games are getting worse and worse. Conclusion - all their ranting isn't having a positive effect on the industry.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 28, 2019 23:49:38 GMT
Hm. Why formulate it so confrontational? Well, I was going more for dismissively contemptuous than for confrontational. The conventional victory argument was typically emade either in bad faith , which is bad, or because the poster hadn't thought about the situation at all, which is worse. I don't check you on that. If the quarians survived on Rannoch they'd still be there, whatever happened to the relays. And if they were exterminated, they'd still be dead. Same thing for most of the other choices. Although low-EMS destroy does make a lot of the SM irrelevant when Earth is destroyed along with most of the surviving ME2 squadmates.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 1, 2019 2:21:05 GMT
After the failure that is anthem, it is with a heavy heart that I use this meme.... WHAT? YOU CAN'T CALL ANTHEM A FAILURE JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO PLAYED AND LIKED IT SO IT'S ONLY A FAILURE TO YOU [BSN forum fanboy mode turned off] Nice generalizing, perhaps you might not realize that you are posting in the same forum as your fellow BSN members?
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 1, 2019 2:36:07 GMT
WHAT? YOU CAN'T CALL ANTHEM A FAILURE JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO PLAYED AND LIKED IT SO IT'S ONLY A FAILURE TO YOU [BSN forum fanboy mode turned off] Nice generalizing, perhaps you might not realize that you are posting in the same forum as your fellow BSN members? Fortunately the fanboys are a minority (so there's no generalization, the few fanboys act exactly like that), so the only reason to be offended is if the shoe fits. Then by all means, wear it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 3:58:15 GMT
the real problem was not the star child, it makes perfect sense for it not to make sense, the problem was Shepard's reaction to it; like Bowman had agreed to everything that HAL 9000 said or did). This is where you're wrong. Shepard does argue, he just doesn't bring up the points people wanted to bring up. Like the Geth/Quarian peace. Even, if there was an option, it wouldn't matter, because the Crucible and the people who designed it decided long ago that destroying the Reapers will also destroy all synthetic life. It was all in the blueprints. Unless you buy into IT, which says it's all a lie.
Actually you did bring it up earlier with the Reaper on Rannoch, and it spit on your argument. The Reapers simply don't care about the newly found Geth/Quarian peace. They can't change anything. No matter how much people think trying to convince the Starchild to not destroy all synthetic life. He doesn't control the deck of cards here, and that's what people don't understand. He tells you what each option does, like a pre-programmed set of Q&A. However, the Crucible (which you built) decides what choices are presented to you. Shepard's final decisions at the end are based on the state of the Crucible, not some kid's game. The Final Hours App tells as much. I guess after thinking about it, they did change things. The original plan was to have a galactic dark age, due to the Crucible making all the mass relays inoperable. So when compared to the Extended Cut, it seems like a pretty radical change.
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Post by Guardian on Mar 1, 2019 4:29:15 GMT
The situation was somewhat similar to the uproar of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's fans when he let his character Sherlock Holmes die (primarily because he got fed up with writing Sherlock Holmes die). After he tried mitigate the problem by writing additional stories from Sherlock Holmes past before the event, the pressure by the fans did not let up. And he wrote another story describing how his character did not die after all. But he did not revoke the story, he had to come up with a way to undo its effects without changing it. To just say "This story I wrote there... forget that it ever happened" wouldn't have worked. I actually read that story when I was in 6th grade. The Seven Percent Solution - Watson takes Holmes to Vienna to meet Sigmund Freud to help Holmes kick his Cocaine addiction. After which, Holmes just spontaneously boards a boat, claiming, "I'm going on vacation Watson." When pressed by Watson what to tell people where he is, Holmes replied, "Just tell them Moriarty killed me!" It wasn't until years later that I came to find out that Doyle killed Holmes and it then made sense.
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