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Post by griffith82 on Mar 3, 2019 19:40:36 GMT
Although anything could always happen... I wouldn't start your dancing on Bioware's or EA's grave just yet. You were saying? Anthem hasn't tanked. Mediocre reviews are just that, and plenty of people are playing it.
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Post by decafhigh on Mar 5, 2019 17:07:36 GMT
"Mass Effect is not dead"
Well... maybe it should be.
The way they ended ME3 felt like they were pretty deliberately not just ending the trilogy but doing so in a way that ended the franchise as a whole. Unless they are looking to retcon their original endings I don't think they can really continue ME in the milky way in any sort of satisfactory way. At least not without such a huge time jump as to make the original trilogy irrelevant.
MEA, if it had been good, could have salvaged things but being what it was has stained any attempt to continue the series outside the MW now as well.
So do they try and salvage the salvage job with a MEA2? Do they just pretended MEA didn't happen and try a different direction? Do they retcon the OT endings and just go with ME4?
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2019 18:32:11 GMT
BioWare is at the point where no matter what they do, people will be mad. Logically they should continue MEA but if they do, BioWare will anger those who wanted the Milky Way. If they reboot the series or go back to the Milky Way, they’ll anger those who wanted to continue Andromeda.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 5, 2019 20:36:52 GMT
Agreed, although going back to the MW has problems which staying in Andromeda does not. Bio was already having trouble handling the divergent choices from ME1 and ME2, and ME3 made the issue far worse. Not being able to import choices is not a design problem as long as they go with either canonized everything or turn all the choices into indistinguishable mush, but I'm not certain how many people who want to go back to the MW want to go back that way.
A theoretical version of going back to the MW polls well, but I don't think a real version will.
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Post by lavigne on Mar 5, 2019 21:46:16 GMT
I’d be amazed if they continue the Andromeda storyline. After being dropped like a hot potato I think that’s pretty much dead in the water.
Going back to the MW could be done via a number of different guises;
- Prequel - Side-quel - Sequal - Remaster
All have issues.
In terms of a sequel, you’d have to canonise an ending. BW will know the numbers around what proportion of the playerbase picked which ending. If there’s a clear winner, canonise that one and go from there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 3:05:10 GMT
Milky Way isn't screwed post-ME3. There just isn't going to be a sequel.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 6, 2019 11:04:09 GMT
I’d be amazed if they continue the Andromeda storyline. After being dropped like a hot potato I think that’s pretty much dead in the water. Going back to the MW could be done via a number of different guises; - Prequel - Side-quel - Sequal - Remaster All have issues. In terms of a sequel, you’d have to canonise an ending. BW will know the numbers around what proportion of the playerbase picked which ending. If there’s a clear winner, canonise that one and go from there. IMO, there is no need to canonise an ending. Make a Mass effect keep. Start from destroy, the simplest. If someone want control, add a new threat that makes the sheparlyst and the reapers fleet useless. Put a cut scene where the reapers are torn apart by this new huge threat, and/or put some dialogues like "a nd shepard? The guardian of the galaxy? Where is shepard?" "t he reapers fleet have been decimated, they are ineffective against the new enemy/invasor, the survivor are hiding somewhere". Then put a great cameo where you talk with the sheparlyst " you, cool new hero, you are doing a good job, we'll join you for the final battle, for now we must hide. I have to go" and good bye. If someone want synthesis, do the same as control, explain that the horrid green glowing is just a temporary effect, plus add a side quest with the geth, a cameo with a good reaper with free will instead of the sheparlyst, show that organic-synthetic relations are easier (for example, add a unique romance with a sexbot like EDI, or add some unique dialogue options with synth, like in DA:Origins) So: a couple of side quest, a couple of cutscene, a hundred of unique dialogues, a new smart threat, and that's it. Ready to go back in the milky way, with artistic integrity
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Post by nanotm on Mar 6, 2019 11:30:51 GMT
BioWare is at the point where no matter what they do, people will be mad. Logically they should continue MEA but if they do, BioWare will anger those who wanted the Milky Way. If they reboot the series or go back to the Milky Way, they’ll anger those who wanted to continue Andromeda. logically they should upgrade ME:A by adding in the DLC's that got cancelled and then release it as a full game version, at the same time they can work on the sequel and the MW as well, push out the MEA upgrade first (shouldn't take long, just dont bother with anything special only offer it as a digital copy and announce the 2 new games, they dont even need much in the way of new artwork for the MW one (just reuse old places with some slight changes to the scenery, maybe do the quarrian origin story) for ME:A 2 they can largely recycle artwork from the current game add in some of the stuff from the original game and mish mash it together with a few new space scapes from the various online offerings and bingo you have the settings the maps dont need to be largely different, the primary locations and how you move through them can be the same as prior games (for the MW this might be more difficult technically since they would need to upgrade it to frostbite engine) there are some things they got right in the original ME series they continued to get right in the ME:A series (namely gear progression) and thats something that both anthem and the DA series are lacking in its not about could they do it so much as its about will they do it, and realistically anthem is filling the tech role too well for them to make another ME game for the next few years (despite the fans clamouring for one so my guess is they will focus on DA4)
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 6, 2019 11:38:53 GMT
Forget mass effect andromeda.
Mass effect trilogy was a critical success, sales were good and it still has a good reputation. Mass effect andromeda was a critical failure, sales were presumably not good (no dlc in 2016 + an entire team shot down = disaster) and has an awful reputation.
If they decide to do another mass effect, I do not think they will have any doubts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 19:26:30 GMT
A lot of Andromeda's issues stem from the Frostbite engine not being made for RPGs. They had to hack stuff in for it to work as an RPG.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 6, 2019 19:46:50 GMT
I’d be amazed if they continue the Andromeda storyline. After being dropped like a hot potato I think that’s pretty much dead in the water. Going back to the MW could be done via a number of different guises; - Prequel - Side-quel - Sequal - Remaster All have issues. In terms of a sequel, you’d have to canonise an ending. BW will know the numbers around what proportion of the playerbase picked which ending. If there’s a clear winner, canonise that one and go from there. IMO, there is no need to canonise an ending. Make a Mass effect keep. Start from destroy, the simplest. If someone want control, add a new threat that makes the sheparlyst and the reapers fleet useless. Put a cut scene where the reapers are torn apart by this new huge threat, and/or put some dialogues like "a nd shepard? The guardian of the galaxy? Where is shepard?" "t he reapers fleet have been decimated, they are ineffective against the new enemy/invasor, the survivor are hiding somewhere". Then put a great cameo where you talk with the sheparlyst " you, cool new hero, you are doing a good job, we'll join you for the final battle, for now we must hide. I have to go" and good bye. If someone want synthesis, do the same as control, explain that the horrid green glowing is just a temporary effect, plus add a side quest with the geth, a cameo with a good reaper with free will instead of the sheparlyst, show that organic-synthetic relations are easier (for example, add a unique romance with a sexbot like EDI, or add some unique dialogue options with synth, like in DA:Origins) So: a couple of side quest, a couple of cutscene, a hundred of unique dialogues, a new smart threat, and that's it. Ready to go back in the milky way, with artistic integrity This sounds really stupid. OTOH, the problem you're trying to solve is so hard that there aren't any non-stupid solutions available.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 6, 2019 22:43:00 GMT
IMO, there is no need to canonise an ending. Make a Mass effect keep. Start from destroy, the simplest. If someone want control, add a new threat that makes the sheparlyst and the reapers fleet useless. Put a cut scene where the reapers are torn apart by this new huge threat, and/or put some dialogues like "a nd shepard? The guardian of the galaxy? Where is shepard?" "t he reapers fleet have been decimated, they are ineffective against the new enemy/invasor, the survivor are hiding somewhere". Then put a great cameo where you talk with the sheparlyst " you, cool new hero, you are doing a good job, we'll join you for the final battle, for now we must hide. I have to go" and good bye. If someone want synthesis, do the same as control, explain that the horrid green glowing is just a temporary effect, plus add a side quest with the geth, a cameo with a good reaper with free will instead of the sheparlyst, show that organic-synthetic relations are easier (for example, add a unique romance with a sexbot like EDI, or add some unique dialogue options with synth, like in DA:Origins) So: a couple of side quest, a couple of cutscene, a hundred of unique dialogues, a new smart threat, and that's it. Ready to go back in the milky way, with artistic integrity This sounds really stupid. OTOH, the problem you're trying to solve is so hard that there aren't any non-stupid solutions available. oh, my sweet summer child. have you not noticed that bioware has always acted this way? in the end, every meaningful choiche proved to be insignificant. every choiche that could change the world, had zero impact. Save the council/kill the council. Keep the colllector base/destroy the base. Side with mages/side with templars. Do the dark ritual/refuse the ritual. etc. And this is true not only for bioware, but for cd project too, for example. I did not invent anything, I just applied the bioware method. Obviously my examples are just stupid examples, but the principle remains valid. And it can be applied to ME3 ending as well. For example, the mere fact that the crucible technology has been understood and perfected, and its project spread around the galaxy, that alone makes the reapers weak, vulnerable. Easy to eliminate from the equation, in the control/synthesis scenario. And if you make the reapers irrelvant, control/synthesis are pretty much the same scenario as destroy. You just have to change some details here and there, and... voilà.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 7, 2019 2:22:41 GMT
All I can say is: Thank God you're not a BW developer. Thank God you aren't either. Same goes for you. 😋
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 7, 2019 2:23:26 GMT
Forget mass effect andromeda. Mass effect trilogy was a critical success, sales were good and it still has a good reputation. Mass effect andromeda was a critical failure, sales were presumably not good (no dlc in 2016 + an entire team shot down = disaster) and has an awful reputation. If they decide to do another mass effect, I do not think they will have any doubts Agreed.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 7, 2019 2:26:48 GMT
Gamble is making empty promises at this point. I'm not believing a word he says until I'm proven wrong.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 7, 2019 2:39:26 GMT
Forget mass effect andromeda. Mass effect trilogy was a critical success, sales were good and it still has a good reputation. Mass effect andromeda was a critical failure, sales were presumably not good (no dlc in 2016 + an entire team shot down = disaster) and has an awful reputation. If they decide to do another mass effect, I do not think they will have any doubts It still did good enough per investor call. And no I will not forget Andromeda and Bioware better not either.
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Post by mydamnalterego on Mar 7, 2019 12:31:24 GMT
Huh ... "not dead". "In coma" is also "not dead".
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 7, 2019 21:33:55 GMT
Huh ... "not dead". "In coma" is also "not dead". Dying to be precise.
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Post by Serza on Mar 7, 2019 21:50:53 GMT
Seems to me like the jury's still out on that.
But I guess I'll just watch from the side lines, ain't worth getting invested at the moment.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 8, 2019 1:14:40 GMT
One question they failed to answer? Why can some moderately intelligent gamers come up with a better solution than the Intelligence/Reapers? As in, one that isn't "we're committing genocide to save you". A huge part of me had hoped they would leave the reapers mysterious and alien rather then try to go into detail about them since there was no real way to explain it
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Post by nanotm on Mar 9, 2019 18:39:45 GMT
One question they failed to answer? Why can some moderately intelligent gamers come up with a better solution than the Intelligence/Reapers? As in, one that isn't "we're committing genocide to save you". A huge part of me had hoped they would leave the reapers mysterious and alien rather then try to go into detail about them since there was no real way to explain it explaining the reapers was something I thought they did pretty well, there were some bits that didnt make sense about the whole thing but those were mostly if the leviathans were the organic master beings capable of space travel and mind control and so on who built computers to answer the ultimate question over chaos or control, and ended up virtually wiped out why didnt the few survivors just leave the MW, its not like they couldn't hide till the end of a cycle then farm up enough element zero to fuel their escape across darkspace to a different galaxy... its not like they didnt know after watching them for a few dozen cycles what was what, even the kid explains that several million years ago they decided on a 50k year cycle and made it run to spec by "helping" civilisations to advance along desired avenues.... so yeah they explained some stuff but not everything...
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Post by Iakus on Mar 10, 2019 16:20:18 GMT
A huge part of me had hoped they would leave the reapers mysterious and alien rather then try to go into detail about them since there was no real way to explain it explaining the reapers was something I thought they did pretty well, there were some bits that didnt make sense about the whole thing but those were mostly if the leviathans were the organic master beings capable of space travel and mind control and so on who built computers to answer the ultimate question over chaos or control, and ended up virtually wiped out why didnt the few survivors just leave the MW, its not like they couldn't hide till the end of a cycle then farm up enough element zero to fuel their escape across darkspace to a different galaxy... its not like they didnt know after watching them for a few dozen cycles what was what, even the kid explains that several million years ago they decided on a 50k year cycle and made it run to spec by "helping" civilisations to advance along desired avenues.... so yeah they explained some stuff but not everything... My big hope for MEA would be that the tech used to get there would be some kind of Leviathan tech we were playing with...
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 12, 2019 22:43:04 GMT
I’d be amazed if they continue the Andromeda storyline. After being dropped like a hot potato I think that’s pretty much dead in the water. Going back to the MW could be done via a number of different guises; - Prequel - Side-quel - Sequal - Remaster All have issues. In terms of a sequel, you’d have to canonise an ending. BW will know the numbers around what proportion of the playerbase picked which ending. If there’s a clear winner, canonise that one and go from there. I really see a sequel in the milky way as their best bet. They will likely canonise destroy ending because it creates the most options and I think most people pick it but I could be wrong about that. I think going to the milky way is a safer bet and the fact that they dropped the dlc to andromeda makes me think they are throwing it away.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 12, 2019 22:48:56 GMT
explaining the reapers was something I thought they did pretty well, there were some bits that didnt make sense about the whole thing but those were mostly if the leviathans were the organic master beings capable of space travel and mind control and so on who built computers to answer the ultimate question over chaos or control, and ended up virtually wiped out why didnt the few survivors just leave the MW, its not like they couldn't hide till the end of a cycle then farm up enough element zero to fuel their escape across darkspace to a different galaxy... its not like they didnt know after watching them for a few dozen cycles what was what, even the kid explains that several million years ago they decided on a 50k year cycle and made it run to spec by "helping" civilisations to advance along desired avenues.... so yeah they explained some stuff but not everything... My big hope for MEA would be that the tech used to get there would be some kind of Leviathan tech we were playing with... Meaning we could draw the Leviathan to us? Could be an interesting way to make use of random Leviathan who were in dark space without dealing with RGB.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 13, 2019 8:54:36 GMT
I’d be amazed if they continue the Andromeda storyline. After being dropped like a hot potato I think that’s pretty much dead in the water. Going back to the MW could be done via a number of different guises; - Prequel - Side-quel - Sequal - Remaster All have issues. In terms of a sequel, you’d have to canonise an ending. BW will know the numbers around what proportion of the playerbase picked which ending. If there’s a clear winner, canonise that one and go from there. I really see a sequel in the milky way as their best bet. They will likely canonise destroy ending because it creates the most options and I think most people pick it but I could be wrong about that. I think going to the milky way is a safer bet and the fact that they dropped the dlc to andromeda makes me think they are throwing it away. And a remake of the trilogy.
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