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Post by Sartoz on May 6, 2024 21:00:59 GMT
My guy, I don't have an issue with your opinion. I doubt that but whatever... Well sorry that i am too direct. Maybe my german and dutch heritage is too strong that i sometimes say honestly what i think. And yes sorry to say but the truth is your argument which has been brought up by many other people here (in this forum or in others) has irritated in a bad way. So you shouldn´t take this too personal.
What is it about Harding that you feel she is a "must have" char in DA4 (No-News_bio practice for bringing a npc "side char" into a companion in the next game, not withstanding)?
My view of H is only from the DAI game... no comics, no Lore, no DLC. So, I can't figure why N-N-B would want her in DA4? One possible reason I can come up with is that the DA4 story needs a dwarf female. Rather than creating a new dwarf female char they say "hey! we already have one". OK. It's a justification that I can accept. However, I have yet to see other valid / possible reasons for her carry-over.
You know, Harding can't be neither a tank or mage... she's a scout... more like a rogue I guess.... but without the necessary nimble fingers of a rogue. If N-N-B makes her into something other then what she is in DAI, I'll be disappointed with the studio.... same like I'm with Cullen the Whiner.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 21:30:12 GMT
What is it about Harding that you feel she is a "must have" char in DA4 (No-News_bio practice for bringing a npc "side char" into a companion in the next game, not withstanding)? Simple. I can´t imagine that DAD has no cross over companion. And atleast one person in the DAD party has to do represents the Inquisition or whats left of it because we spend so much time with them in DAI that would feel wrong to have non of Inquisition as companion. But unlike the previous ones aka Oghren in DAA, (does the Mabari count?), Anders / Justice in DA2 and Varric in DAI this time no previous companion / advisor will return in this role.
Why? We can rule out Blackwall, Cassandra, The Iron Bull, Sera, Dorian, Cullen, Josephine, Leliana and Solas (would be very strange) because Bioware don´t like to bring former romances back as companions if the playercharacter is a new one. Edit: I should also mention Isabela because i have almost forgotten that she has also somewhat of a connection with the Inquisition. Vivienne isn´t a romance but she could be Divine Victoria and unfortunately she is quite unpopular (i still like her) in the fandom so i would rule her out. Also why would she been in Northern Thedas? Especially as Divine Victoria i can´t imagine that would risks to visit the war-torn northern countries. Next Cole pretty unlikely because of his different fates but not impossible. Sure he has with Solas a connection but i don´t see him returning. Also he was the most difficult companion to write in DAI. Varric: Sure we can´t rule him out and Bioware clearly have plans for him in DAD but come on three times in a row as our main rogue companion. Sorry i love him and he is one of my favourites even in DAI but no thanks that´s already more than enough screentime for him. Also i really want to see a new dwarf who isn´t male. The time with Sigrun was way to short. Who´s left? Secondary characters like Harding. A character who lives in all possible world states, is always loyal and stays with the Inquisition or whats left of it and last but not least most in the fandom knows her. It also helps that Bioware likes the character.I can´t say the same thing about Charter, Hector Dagna, Baron Edouard Desjardins, Rylen, Belette, Colette, Farrow, Fisher, Johnson, Vale, Mira,Marius or Tessa. Or any of the trainers, the Multiplayer characters or the agents. Of course to the surprise to no one Harding as an archer would be a rogue companion.
Edit Nr. 2 Like i said before if anyone has told me before DA 2 had released that Merrill of all the characters in DAO has returned as companion i would have been asking a similiar question like you now with Harding. What Merrill?!? The elven mage from the dalish origin but why? DA 2 Merrill clearly shows that Bioware can brink back and flesh out almost every minor character if they want to. And coming back to Harding unlike DAO Merrill she way more popular and known within Bioware and the fandom. So is really that surprising for you that many (not just me) are considering Harding as an very good candidate for a DAD companion slot?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 6, 2024 23:12:57 GMT
I know she’s probably going to be, but I hope Harding isn’t one of our companions. Waste of a slot. If she is, hope she’s optional.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on May 7, 2024 0:10:49 GMT
I expect we'll have a non optional inquisition companion to provide exposition and a personal opinion on Solas for DADtagonist to ignore or listen to.
Of all the possibilities suggested so far i prefer Harding (and given her and Varrics prescence in The Missing lead-in comic I suspect it willbe one or the other).
She was a kind woman with room for character growth and is now an 11 year Inquisition veteran, groomed as a possible successor by its spymaster, whose been at the forefront of tracking both the venatori and the dreadwolf. They could do worse.
Mind you I'd be fine with no inquisition companion, it would work better with the "we need people he doesn't know" concept, but an inquisition member who does know him probably works better for the writer's presenting him to new players so 🤷
Hopefully we get two dwarves this time, as Varric and Harding seem most likely and it'd be a shame to have no northern dwarf (preferably Kal Sharok but even an ambassadoria or LoF dwarf would be nice).
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on May 7, 2024 0:38:17 GMT
Fingers crossed for a Magister Sidereal as a secret companion, preferably the Augur or the Watchman instead of the architect.
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Post by colfoley on May 7, 2024 0:45:30 GMT
Fingers crossed for a Magister Sidereal as a secret companion, preferably the Augur or the Watchman instead of the architect. You know I don't think this is the first time you have mentioned this but I think this is the first time it clicked what you meant and I just realized. This would be pretty freaking cool. Though it would be neat if it were the architect imo.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 7, 2024 0:58:25 GMT
She was a kind woman with room for character growth and is now an 11 year Inquisition veteran, groomed as a possible successor by its spymaster, whose been at the forefront of tracking both the venatori and the dreadwolf. They could do worse. See, that’s part of the problem. She was a good person but almost guarantee if made a companion they’ll make her more edgy and no longer her and call it “character growth”. They already started that with the comics. Speaking of, if they use either Varric or Harding as the Inquisition representative that whole “we need people he doesn’t know” will without any shred of doubt be a BS excuse for a new protagonist since they’ll be giving us the only Inquisition members he actually played.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 7, 2024 5:29:48 GMT
What is it about Harding that you feel she is a "must have" char in DA4 (No-News_bio practice for bringing a npc "side char" into a companion in the next game, not withstanding)? Simple. I can´t imagine that DAD has no cross over companion. And atleast one person in the DAD party has to do represents the Inquisition or whats left of it because we spend so much time with them in DAI that would feel wrong to have non of Inquisition as companion.
Agreed. My conviction that Harding will be a companion has nothing to do with my personal feelings about her! I like her fine, but if it was up to me to select a dwarf companion for DAD (and hopefully our first ever dwarf romance) I'd want an Ambassadoria or Kal-Sharok dwarf not another surfacer rogue. Unless they really are bringing Varric back as a companion a third time, which I doubt, she's the most probable candidate for a cross-over companion.
However important it might be to find people Solas doesn't know, we're also going to need some kind of Inquisition liaison, and it has to be someone who's always alive and loyal to the organisation, which doesn't leave a lot of candidates. I guess they could swerve and give us Charter instead, but I don't think she had a big enough roll in the previous game for that to work. I feel like most people who played DAI might vaguely remember that there was a dwarf girl who introduced us to new areas, I don't think anyone outside of our hardcore fanbase even knows who Charter is. I do expect to see Dorian, but not as a companion - I think if we're going to pal around with someone from the Lucerni, Maevaris is more likely since they haven't used her before.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on May 7, 2024 10:20:30 GMT
Thinking on it now, I'd like it if we had an Old God within the party. Doesn't need to be Kieran or Andraste with Dumat's soul, but I'd love just to hear the perspective of someone from the time of Ancient Tevinter.
What's more, I'd like to hear them give their own account about the events of the Second Sin or a Blight without the twofaced Imperium or Southern Chantry getting in the way.
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Post by Sartoz on May 7, 2024 10:23:01 GMT
snip we're also going to need some kind of Inquisition liaison, snip
This puzzles me. You make it sound like DA4 is DAI part 2.
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Post by fistoffiori on May 7, 2024 10:26:27 GMT
Earnings call today, like 10pm UK time haha.
I imagine I'll see if there's any DA:D news tomorrow when I wake up!
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Post by fairdragon on May 7, 2024 10:28:56 GMT
Well sorry that i am too direct. Maybe my german and dutch heritage is too strong that i sometimes say honestly what i think. So i am german as well. And yes i have the same problem.
Simple. I can´t imagine that DAD has no cross over companion. I think the exact oposite. With the story they are telling, i don't see a companion = companion character. A NPC = Companion maybe, but Harding is to much linked to the inquition for that.
I expect we'll have a non optional inquisition companion to provide exposition and a personal opinion on Solas for DADtagonist to ignore or listen to. I don't see a inquisition companion at all.
What is it about Harding that you feel she is a "must have" char in DA4 (No-News_bio practice for bringing a npc "side char" into a companion in the next game, not withstanding)? I will give reason for her beeing in DAD but not as a companion. 1. The overall story. 2. She is simular to Cullen. So give her more time to be a Companion and romance could be a way they go. because 3. The comics show her with Varric and both as connection for the inquisition. I have said it and i will say it again. Varric now + Harding will be like Duncan the connection to the Inquisition. If we get an Inquisition companion than i would think someone low key like alistair in DAO.
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Post by g_scoundrel on May 7, 2024 11:07:51 GMT
Now I want Harding to be a companion just to see this thread go up in flames lol
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Post by ClarkKent on May 7, 2024 11:17:51 GMT
Harding would fit very well in that Kaidan/Varric/Jacob starter companion role. A character that is quite pleasant and inoffensive to the player, but gets ultimately shelved as new and more interesting companions come in.
That said, I cannot wait until we hear more info so we don't have to cling to the one marketing breadcrumb we have that 'we need to find people that Solas does not know'.
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Post by githcheater on May 7, 2024 13:52:54 GMT
I'm a bit jealous of those who'll be awake in two hours and afterwards cause the earnings call will be held when I'll be sleeping (unless I'm confusing timezones like I always do) Sorry to break it to ya, but you are mistaken! The earnings call isn't for another ~25.5 hours. Some rough breakdowns of timezones/dates Tuesday May 7th 20242pm PT (Pacific) 3pm MT (Mountain) 4pm CT (Central) 5pm ET (Eastern) 6pm UTC-1 (Brazil) 10pm UTC+1 (UK) 11pm UTC+2 (Most of the rest of western Europe) May 8th 2024 12am UTC+3 (Eastern Europe) 6am UTC+9 (Japan) (plus or minus an hour for Australia) 7&7 ... Only 7 hours and seven minutes ...
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Post by githcheater on May 7, 2024 14:00:53 GMT
Well sorry that i am too direct. Maybe my german and dutch heritage is too strong that i sometimes say honestly what i think. So i am german as well. And yes i have the same problem. My Dad has a plaque that he has hung on his apartment door: "You can tell a Belgian, but you can't tell him much"
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 7, 2024 14:10:56 GMT
Jesus Christ those MS / Zenimax layoffs are terrible. And yes MS has closed Tango (Hi-Fi Rush)
Lets hope that EA won´t follow Microsoft and won´t fire that many people.
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Post by SwobyJ on May 7, 2024 14:55:05 GMT
Who I can see becoming a companion if returning from DAI:
Solas - Haha. Hahaha, hahaha YES this would be funny, especially if he's a late game addition to the party as the 'real threat' emerges. Otherwise no, of course I don't predict it. Cassandra - No, since Divine. Wouldn't mind seeing her, but I'd want the focus taken off. Vivienne - No, since Divine. Wouldn't mind seeing her and actually, I think I'd enjoy a batch of content that redeems her writing in my eyes. Leliana - No, since Divine. But its hard for me to think she wouldn't be present. Iron Bull - No, too many outcomes and I'd think Bio would prefer exploring another Qunari angle. Dorian - No, arguably too many outcomes, no Gaider, and I'd think Bio would prefer having him as more as a contact than playable. Would not be opposed to even IB+D scenes if carrying a romance story state. Varric - No, please no. While I don't mind him appearing in every game, like Leliana, I want it to have relevance. Sera - Not impossible. Whether she was the most involved with the Inquisition, or not at all, her evolution was arguably relatively little and could be covered by dialogue and tonal variations. But I'd only speculate further if we're given hints about how 'Sera is Andruil' could be an actual thing. Cole - Not impossible. Whether he was the most involved with the Inquisition, or not at all, his evolution, while significant for him, was something mostly contained and could be covered by dialogue and tonal variations. But I'd only speculate further if we're given... anything at all that's connected to Cole.
So really only Cole and Sera are on my mind, until further info. Neither were highly loved by the players, but both had their smaller dedicated fans. Both are optional (not that a some others aren't as well, or can at least leave the Inquisition later), and both aren't necessarily tied to the Inquisition so much that they'd be noticed. Unfortunately, neither necessarily fits the category of being people Solas wouldn't know, but we don't know how seriously DADW will take that notion.
I do think the game will fit in DAI companions whenever they can, and have a sense of continuity. I would be very surprised if character connections were instead minimized.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 7, 2024 15:08:18 GMT
So really only Cole and Sera are on my mind, until further info. Sera is a romance option so we can rule her out. Speaks for Lace Harding. By the way i know this always a boring argument for her but Lace Harding was in the last scene of DAI Trespasser which was basically a big tease with the dagger in the Tevinter map. If Harding is really that unimportant why have Bioware shown her in this final scene?
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Post by The Loyal Nub on May 7, 2024 15:24:23 GMT
I'll grab the popcorn in here if Harding, Varric and Varric's gal pal, are all companions in the next game.
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Post by g_scoundrel on May 7, 2024 15:31:55 GMT
I'll grab the popcorn in here if Harding, Varric and Varric's gal pal, are all companions in the next game. Bianca you mean? Hard pass. She seemed too arrogant and one-dimensional. 'Get Varric killed, and I'll feed you your own eyeballs', SMH.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on May 7, 2024 15:42:07 GMT
I'll grab the popcorn in here if Harding, Varric and Varric's gal pal, are all companions in the next game. Bianca you mean? Hard pass. She seemed too arrogant and one-dimensional. 'Get Varric killed, and I'll feed you your own eyeballs', SMH. I was riffing. Less than serious. Just imagining the disruption here BioWare could cause if they included Harding and Varric as companions you could pick to use and I tossed Bianca in for shits and giggles. I have no idea who they've got lined up for companions other than names we've seen mentioned already but it's entirely possible they could toss Varric into the mix again.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 7, 2024 15:46:22 GMT
I'll grab the popcorn in here if Harding, Varric and Varric's gal pal, are all companions in the next game. No it would be way funnier if Bioware created a new character which was at the Inquisition from the beginning but was never shown or mentioned. The Inquisitor best friend Bjørn / Bjorn. In all seriousness please no i hate this kind of writing. I also haven´t take Jacob Taylor seriously when he mentions for one throwaway line that he was been at Eden Prime too. Not impossible but come on that are the odds?
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Post by Sandetiger on May 7, 2024 16:05:56 GMT
Okay the real question for me is, are we going to hit 2,000 pages on this thread before the full reveal? We did 26 pages between April 9th and May 7th. We can totally get to 2,000 pages before June 7th ( coping for a full reveal at SGF) rolls around. I believe in the BSN's ability to fill the void
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