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Post by ahglock on Dec 19, 2018 23:56:28 GMT
Please no jokes/comments that are tied to todays society. Things like in MEA where Ryder makes a do you want me to take off my shoes joke made me cringe. There were a decent number of them in MEA and each time it dropped me out of the games story. I can roll with Easter Eggs to other games, but I hate throwing in a 201X reference.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 20, 2018 0:43:38 GMT
Anachronisms?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 20, 2018 1:08:46 GMT
The shoes joke did make sense in context though.
We've seen people having to go through customs and security checkpoints in previous games, so even with the high-tech scanners, taking off your shoes might very well still be a thing in the 2180s.
Another way to take it is that some people do take their shoes off when they enter someone else's home, so Ryder may have been jokingly asking if that's one of the house rules on Aya?
But either way, I don't mind that joke because Ryder was trying to defuse the tense situation with humour, so even if the Angaran's couldn't understand them, their tone was light and causal enough that they wouldn't appear threatening.
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Post by river82 on Dec 20, 2018 1:13:57 GMT
Please no jokes/comments that are tied to todays society. Things like in MEA where Ryder makes a do you want me to take off my shoes joke made me cringe. There were a decent number of them in MEA and each time it dropped me out of the games story. I can roll with Easter Eggs to other games, but I hate throwing in a 201X reference. Seems like a rising trend in storytelling. Jeremy Jahns did a video review of The Last Jedi where he said "when I first saw The Last Jedi I had that feeling, a feeling I'd never had in a Star Wars movie before where I felt like I was watching characters not from a galaxy far far away but from our own galaxy. And our own solar system. Our own planet. From the intro from the way Poe was talking to Hux, I was like that's from our world. That had never happened in a Star Wars movie before." He went on to say it reduces the scale, it reduces the escapism factor. We're seeing it more and more in stories and I just don't like it either. I fully relate with the sentiment. It also jerks me out of the experience every time it happens.
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Post by anarchy65 on Dec 20, 2018 1:23:53 GMT
Please no jokes/comments that are tied to todays society. Things like in MEA where Ryder makes a do you want me to take off my shoes joke made me cringe. There were a decent number of them in MEA and each time it dropped me out of the games story. I can roll with Easter Eggs to other games, but I hate throwing in a 201X reference. Seems like a rising trend in storytelling. Jeremy Jahns did a video review of The Last Jedi where he said "when I first saw The Last Jedi I had that feeling, a feeling I'd never had in a Star Wars movie before where I felt like I was watching characters not from a galaxy far far away but from our own galaxy. And our own solar system. Our own planet. From the intro from the way Poe was talking to Hux, I was like that's from our world. That had never happened in a Star Wars movie before." He went on to say it reduces the scale, it reduces the escapism factor. We're seeing it more and more in stories and I just don't like it either. I fully relate with the sentiment. It also jerks me out of the experience every time it happens. That's something that it's just unavoidable. You can make 1000 works about a "fictional world", it will always seem very much like ours. Take Dragon Age, for example: people are quite progressive, they seem to accept homosexuality and transgenders much better they would have been accepted on the real middle ages, cities look clean, mages practice fire magic inside a library, I mean, do you think that would be allowed in a medieval library? Star Wars was always very much like our galaxy (politics sucks, dictators arise, etc, etc). Because if someone created a fictional work with actually medieval values, nobody would really like it.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 20, 2018 1:26:44 GMT
Seems like a rising trend in storytelling. Jeremy Jahns did a video review of The Last Jedi where he said "when I first saw The Last Jedi I had that feeling, a feeling I'd never had in a Star Wars movie before where I felt like I was watching characters not from a galaxy far far away but from our own galaxy. And our own solar system. Our own planet. From the intro from the way Poe was talking to Hux, I was like that's from our world. That had never happened in a Star Wars movie before."
Han: Uh, everything is under control, situation normal. Imp: What happened? Han: We had a slight weapons malfunction, but, uh... everything is perfectly alright now, we're fine, we're all fine here, thank you... how are you?
Imp: We're sending a squad up. Han: Negative, negative, we've uh... a reactor leak here now, uh, give us a few minutes to lock it down. Uh, large leak, very dangerous. Imp: Who is this? What is your operating number? Han: Uh... *shoots console* Boring conversation anyway.
Granted that scene was largely improvised by Harrison Ford, but have people seen the original film recently?
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Post by river82 on Dec 20, 2018 1:28:36 GMT
Because if someone created a fictional work with actually medieval values, nobody would really like it. Like Game of Thrones?
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Post by river82 on Dec 20, 2018 1:31:59 GMT
Seems like a rising trend in storytelling. Jeremy Jahns did a video review of The Last Jedi where he said "when I first saw The Last Jedi I had that feeling, a feeling I'd never had in a Star Wars movie before where I felt like I was watching characters not from a galaxy far far away but from our own galaxy. And our own solar system. Our own planet. From the intro from the way Poe was talking to Hux, I was like that's from our world. That had never happened in a Star Wars movie before."
Han: Uh, everything is under control, situation normal. Imp: What happened? Han: We had a slight weapons malfunction, but, uh... everything is perfectly alright now, we're fine, we're all fine here, thank you... how are you?
Imp: We're sending a squad up. Han: Negative, negative, we've uh... a reactor leak here now, uh, give us a few minutes to lock it down. Uh, large leak, very dangerous. Imp: Who is this? What is your operating number? Han: Uh... *shoots console* Boring conversation anyway.
Granted that scene was largely improvised by Harrison Ford, but have people seen the original film recently? Did you really want me to paste the conversation between Poe and Hux, and their cliche "I'll hold" modern day sass banter? The comparison is night and day
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Post by anarchy65 on Dec 20, 2018 1:38:15 GMT
Because if someone created a fictional work with actually medieval values, nobody would really like it. Like Game of Thrones? Game of Thrones has some medieval values, but the characters we most like are actually quite modern. Women in real middle ages with as much power as they have in GoT would be quite rare. Yet is one of the things we more like in GoT. Why? Because it is modern, not medieval.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 20, 2018 1:38:57 GMT
Did you really want me to paste the conversation between Poe and Hux, and their cliche "I'll hold" modern day sass banter? The comparison is night and day I agree that the busted radio gag is overplayed in fiction, but how does Han BSing his way through that radio conversation not count as equally "modern sass banter"?
I've seen both of these tropes play out across multiple sci-fi works, everything from Firefly to Star Trek. It's not new, by any means.
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Post by river82 on Dec 20, 2018 1:43:23 GMT
Did you really want me to paste the conversation between Poe and Hux, and their cliche "I'll hold" modern day sass banter? The comparison is night and day I agree that the busted radio gag is overplayed in fiction, but how does Han BSing his way through that radio conversation not count as equally "modern sass banter"?
I've seen both of these tropes play out across multiple sci-fi works, everything from Firefly to Star Trek. It's not new, by any means.
Because Han did his 40 years ago, before modern sass banter became something you see everyday on twitter, the radio, TV, and in books. So you would have seen Han and chuckled with "nice wit", whereas you see Poe and roll your eyes and think "saw something like that on twitter yesterday."
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Post by river82 on Dec 20, 2018 1:57:22 GMT
Game of Thrones has some medieval values, but the characters we most like are actually quite modern. Women in real middle ages with as much power as they have in GoT would be quite rare. Yet is one of the things we more like in GoT. Why? Because it is modern, not medieval. Game of Thrones has been praised by historians as being fairly accurate. Women could rise to such power in the latter parts of the medieval period, it definitely isn't modern in its portrayal
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 20, 2018 1:59:03 GMT
Please no jokes/comments that are tied to todays society. Things like in MEA where Ryder makes a do you want me to take off my shoes joke made me cringe. There were a decent number of them in MEA and each time it dropped me out of the games story. I can roll with Easter Eggs to other games, but I hate throwing in a 201X reference. Seems like a rising trend in storytelling. Jeremy Jahns did a video review of The Last Jedi where he said "when I first saw The Last Jedi I had that feeling, a feeling I'd never had in a Star Wars movie before where I felt like I was watching characters not from a galaxy far far away but from our own galaxy. And our own solar system. Our own planet. From the intro from the way Poe was talking to Hux, I was like that's from our world. That had never happened in a Star Wars movie before." He went on to say it reduces the scale, it reduces the escapism factor. We're seeing it more and more in stories and I just don't like it either. I fully relate with the sentiment. It also jerks me out of the experience every time it happens. If it helps, I always headcanon that as a loose translation. It’s rarely a situation where the characters are “actually” speaking English in-universe (Mass Effect being an exception... though given how much our language has evolved even since the internet, their “English” could be foreign to us), and that means there’s some amount of implied translation happening in the dialogue. Languages can be extremely different from each other, so some information is going to be lost or distorted however you slice it. What if one side of the translation has pronomial genders, and the other doesn’t? What if the origin language has more tenses available than the target language? How do you translate idioms in a non-book medium without covering the screen with footnotes? How do you translate casual references to local events without adding an “As you know, xyz event happened...” on every corner? IRL, translators have to constantly make decisions about how literally to translate. Too literal, and the target language folks won’t understand the real meaning — natural languages have waaaaay too many weird language-specific idioms, abbreviations, and slang. Without pages of footnotes, it would be gibberish. Too loose, and it might lose some of its original flavor. So in short, I don’t picture Admiral Holdo as actually saying a phrase literally meaning “godspeed”. I assume what she said was something that’s not directly translatable, but it was something that served a similar purpose to when English-speakers say “godspeed”.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 20, 2018 1:59:23 GMT
Because if someone created a fictional work with actually medieval values, nobody would really like it. Like Game of Thrones? The authenticity of Game of Thrones is rather debatable.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 20, 2018 2:01:15 GMT
Because Han did his 40 years ago, before modern sass banter became something you see everyday on twitter, the radio, TV, and in books. So you would have seen Han and chuckled with "nice wit", whereas you see Poe and roll your eyes and think "saw something like that on twitter yesterday." Well I did say that the trope was overplayed. I reckon they were trying to homage that scene with Poe, but it didn't work as well as it did back with ANH because it's become cliche, in part due to the huge impact that Star Wars has had on science fiction in general.
Something very similar happened with John Carter and Valerian, where audiences found those movies derivative of other works of science-fiction, when they were in fact the original sources of inspiration that other science fiction drew from.
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Post by river82 on Dec 20, 2018 2:01:25 GMT
The authenticity of Game of Thrones is rather debatable. So how close is the "Game of Thrones" world to the real Middle Ages? Spot-on, in some aspects, experts say, but the real medieval Europe was likely far more boring and somewhat less brutal than Westeros. It was also far more religious, with the Christian Church involved in every aspect of life.
www.livescience.com/44599-medieval-reality-game-of-thrones.html
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 20, 2018 2:04:18 GMT
Yes, the lack of piety is one of the things I was thinking of. Religious elements feel more like an afterthought in Westeros, as though GRR Martin recognized he needed SOME kind of gods for characters to occasionally pray to but wasn't interested in flushing it out that much.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 20, 2018 2:10:26 GMT
There is, however, one rather notable anachronism I noticed in Blackwall's personal quest. If you bring along Vivienne, she comments that she's surprised how many people turned out for an execution, adding that she thought Orlesians were better than that.
But in fact, executions were very public spectacles right up until, say, the early 20th century, depending on what area of the world you lived in. They'd draw huge crowds and be treated like fairs. People were bored out of their minds and seeing a man dance at the end of a rope was always good for a larf.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 20, 2018 2:15:46 GMT
There is one rather notable anachronism I noticed in Blackwall's personal quest. If you bring along Vivienne, she comments that she's surprised how many people turned out for an execution, adding that she thought Orlesians were better than that. But in fact, executions were very public spectacles right up until, say, the early 20th century. They'd be treated like fairs. People were bored out of their minds and seeing a man dance at the end of a rope was always good for a larf. Thedosians are worse than us in some aspects, maybe this is an area where they’re somewhat better than us? Their advancement follows a different path, slower in some ways and faster in others.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 20, 2018 2:45:09 GMT
I like the social anachronisms - I wouldn't want to play in a world where I was treated like the women in GoT.... - but I haven't noticed many out of place references in Dragon Age, except people occasionally refer to days of the week ("What do you call it when you kill someone and take their stuff?" / "Tuesday.") that probably aren't called that in Thedas (why would Thedosians have a Tiw's Day?).
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Post by anarchy65 on Dec 20, 2018 2:47:34 GMT
Game of Thrones has some medieval values, but the characters we most like are actually quite modern. Women in real middle ages with as much power as they have in GoT would be quite rare. Yet is one of the things we more like in GoT. Why? Because it is modern, not medieval. Game of Thrones has been praised by historians as being fairly accurate. Women could rise to such power in the latter parts of the medieval period, it definitely isn't modern in its portrayal Never said it wasn't "fairly accurate", I said there are many modern characters that don't hold medieval values. Although women could rarely rise to power, like I said, it is rare, in GoT we have two women warriors who are probably the best fighters alive in the continent right now, two queens, possibly three (Daenerys, Sansa and Cersei), I mean, that just WOULDN'T happen in middle ages, although from time to time women would rise to power. And why we love so many powerful women in GoT? Exactly because it is modern and just wouldn't happen. Nobody would want to just see most women portrayed as sex slaves for their husbands. Umberto Eco has an excellent text about the portrayal of medieval times (he himself actually wrote a medieval play where the main character is modern, and that's why we like him)
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Post by river82 on Dec 20, 2018 3:11:03 GMT
Game of Thrones has been praised by historians as being fairly accurate. Women could rise to such power in the latter parts of the medieval period, it definitely isn't modern in its portrayal Never said it wasn't "fairly accurate", I said there are many modern characters that don't hold medieval values. Although women could rarely rise to power, like I said, it is rare, in GoT we have two women warriors who are probably the best fighters alive in the continent right now, two queens, possibly three (Daenerys, Sansa and Cersei), Queen Elizabeth 1 ruled at the same time as Queen Marie de Mici, both powerful queens, the latter would act as regent for her son until he came of age. Both came onto the throne not long after Queen Isabella of Spain, who ruled equally with the King, who was around the same time as Caterina Sforza, who was heavily involved in Papal politics. And those are just those with visible power, there were a host of women who wielded considerable power behind the scenes in medieval times. The warrior bit is a bit far-fetched, except there were very much women "bad-asses" in medieval times. Matilda of Canossa, for example, well known for her prowess in battle and feared. People like Lagertha who "fought with the courage of a man" and was called an amazon. The idea of two powerful queens at the same time isn't far-fetched. 3 might be rare though. The idea of great women warriors roaming the land isn't far fetched. And the idea that 2 or 3 queens and 2 women warriors isn't too far out of the realms of being believable that I would say it reflects modern values. Modern values would be to have equal representation, not a ever so slightly increased one.
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Post by phoray on Dec 20, 2018 3:33:38 GMT
Granted that scene was largely improvised by Harrison Ford, but have people seen the original film recently? oh my gawd, that Andromeda scene in Liam's personal quest was a total ripoff of a movie world I don't even watch! Mind blown! Lord Helmet should make them pay!
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Post by phoray on Dec 20, 2018 3:35:02 GMT
Does any mod have an actual, rational explanation why this person isn't banned? Considering all they do is float around the forums and attack people. My experience of this person is 33-66% actually talking about the subject at hand. But maybe I've only seen them in topics which are saying bad things about Dragon Age (like the dogpiles thread) so I haven't picked up on any troll traits.
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Post by river82 on Dec 20, 2018 3:40:42 GMT
Does any mod have an actual, rational explanation why this person isn't banned? Considering all they do is float around the forums and attack people. Hey, how come stupid assholes who are here just to shit on what actual BioWare fans are here for and to wish death upon everything we love because they're sociopathic, selfish pieces of shit aren't banned? Bioware as a studio incorporating a range of different games and therefore attracts a range of different gamers. These gamers will, remarkably enough, have different opinions on what is good and what is not. You can be a fan of Bioware games and hate, say, everything Anthem stands for. You could be a fan of the linear gameplay in ME2 and hate Bioware's version of open world in Andromeda. And I don't see a problem with that.
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