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Post by andy6915 on Oct 15, 2016 7:46:40 GMT
I'm planning out my next trilogy playthroughs, because I'm obsessed or something. My sentinel is going to romance Tali, but my infiltrator and vanguard's are still up in the air. I only really like Garrus and Liara for Femshep, and my vanguard and infiltrator are both going to be female. So the question is, who for what? My vanguard is going to be a renegade, and my infiltrator a paragon. Garrus would fit a renegade more since he's definitely a bit paragade compared to Liara's almost pure-paragon, but then there's the "opposites attract" thing as a counterpoint. So I can't choose easily based on roleplaying, so I think it could be good to match the romance character to class instead. Make the romance a character that tactically matches Shepard, so I have an excuse to bring them everywhere.
But then... Well, I don't know which would actually fit the class. Liara would be good for either, she could detonate both my reave (the bonus power my vanguards always have) and pulls easily enough, and detonate infiltrator's incinerate for fire explosions too. Garrus can only really detonate tech powers with overload, so you'd think he'd definitely be good for infiltrator. However, I feel we'd be too similar. Both the same class and even the same main weapon? Eh, I don't know. Besides, vanguards don't really NEED help detonations. Not with nova's huge radius.
So I don't know. Should I be trying to match the romance character's combat style to mine? If so, who between Garrus and Liara would objectively best match which class?
Also, first post on this board. I was going to go make this on the Bioware board but... Well, you know. I only just learned of that board shutting down 20 minutes ago, then someone linked to this board on the last page of the final threat on the old board. So I followed the link to here, saw it's actually still a bit active, and decided to make this topic here.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 15, 2016 7:50:33 GMT
Also, off topic, but can I change theme? And page size, for that matter? This board doesn't fit my screen, I'm having to scroll left and right just to see the entire post box for typing a new message.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 15, 2016 7:50:44 GMT
The answer lies in your post. There is so much "I" and "my" in it: You should romance the characters that interest you.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 15, 2016 7:57:15 GMT
The answer lies in your post. There is so much "I" and "my" in it: You should romance the characters that interest you. Well that's the thing, they both interest me. If this wasn't the case, the choice would be easy. Like Tali, she's my favorite romance. Her being my favorite is why my male Shep sentinel doesn't have any doubt about it, there's no contest between her romance and anyone else's for a male Shepard. But between Garrus and Liara, neither stand out as strongly as Tali's.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 15, 2016 8:02:12 GMT
Why not try something you haven't seen before? If I have done a couple of playthroughs I become very lenient on consistent role playing.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 15, 2016 8:38:17 GMT
I am. I know what romances I like, and Garrus and Liara are basically it for female. Jacob's craps on you, Thane's is an afterthought in ME3, Kaidan's is too lacking, and non-party ones like Traynor bore me. But I am doing something different, my female vanguard is going to be my first renegade. Ever. Out of probably 20 playthroughs. That's as mixing up as it gets.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 12:58:28 GMT
I am. I know what romances I like, and Garrus and Liara are basically it for female. Jacob's craps on you, Thane's is an afterthought in ME3, Kaidan's is too lacking, and non-party ones like Traynor bore me. But I am doing something different, my female vanguard is going to be my first renegade. Ever. Out of probably 20 playthroughs. That's as mixing up as it gets. The NPCs responses to you do change a little bit as you become more renegade and use more renegade inputs when talking with them. I would take whichever romance you have felt most comfortable with in the past and then see how being a Renegade shapes your partner a bit differently.
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I am. I know what romances I like, and Garrus and Liara are basically it for female. Jacob's craps on you, Thane's is an afterthought in ME3, Kaidan's is too lacking, and non-party ones like Traynor bore me. But I am doing something different, my female vanguard is going to be my first renegade. Ever. Out of probably 20 playthroughs. That's as mixing up as it gets. Thane's romance made a perfect story for ME3 for me. It neatly tied off every possible private thread for her. She was after all a dead woman walking, so she loved a dead man walking. This relationship could never be about personal future. It is about daring to love while knowing that your life is sworn to the larger cause. Thane's final sacrifice made the ME3 a story of a personal revenge against the Doomsday background (that "it's for Thane, SoB!" Renegade option was great!), and then Shepard's final step into the heart of the Catalyst, again, echoed Thane's death. The imagery really worked well with Thane's blessing and farewell letter. Only by letting go off the personal agenda, Shepard could clearly made it to the end of the ME3. The consciousness lived in the renewed world. It's so darn perfect, no other romance fits the story better. Well, imo.
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Post by dalinne on Oct 16, 2016 0:08:01 GMT
You can make it work easily with any combination It depends on where you want to put the emphasis of the relationship during the games. I agree with you in About attraction of the opposites:-Vanguard Renegade and Liara: it can be pretty interesting if in ME1 your Shep is very Renegade (Liara is super Paragon), then in ME2 your Shep is less Renegade (the missing colonists warm her cold heart) and Liara less Paragon (she changes a lot from ME1 to ME2, she seems more renegade because of what happened with Shepard's body and the Shadow Broker). Then in ME3 the relationship comes to an Equilibrium. -Infiltrator Paragon and Garrus it's easy, because Garrus doesn't change so drastically as Liara from ME1 to ME2, so your Shepard can be a absolute Paragon during the trilogy. Also, maybe their views were very different at the beginning of the trilogy, but in ME3 they tend to think pretty alike. About attraction of not opposites:I think it's also good when two characters share similarities and sometimes they can learn as much from the confrontation as from understanding. -A Paragon Infiltrator can get along pretty good with Liara, moreover if she is a sniper: Shep can feel pretty conflicted about her job (snipers kills while they are hidden, surprise attacks, at distance), so maybe she feels comforted that Liara understands her struggle and loves her anyway. -Also, in the case of Renegade Vanguard and Garrus: maybe what it makes them both close in ME2 is Garrus really seems to fully understand the difficult and very cuestionable choices Shepard make and the burden she wears on her shoulders. He doesn't judge her for it. That's particulary revealing in ME3 when the real difficult outcomes appear (I would recommend you don't go full Renegade unless you want to be a psycopath. If you know the outcomes, choose a couple really hard emotionally, but not the whole pack: if you kill Wrex, Mordin, Tali, Legion, Ash/Kaidan, etc. in the same playtrough... well, maybe Garrus or Liara will support you no matter what but... could you keep playing after that?). If you prefer to decide depending on your class:- Vanguard Shep and Liara/Infiltrator Shep and Garrus: competition is key. I see a Biotic Shep challenging Liara to a biotic fight just for fun (because a Vanguard Shep simply doesn't assume that someone is better than her, not even an Asari!!). Also, the fighting ends in bed for sure . On the other hand, I picture Infiltrator Shep challenging all the squadmates (particulary Garrus)to aim contests to prove she is best (so when she lets him win on the top of the Citadel you can say that was character progresion ... or she doesn't let him win because she wants to win no matter what because she is freaking Shepard !). -Infiltrator with Liara: infiltrators are great to protect people they love from the distance. At the same time, Liara protects Shepard from the distance thanks to her biotics, so you have an interesting dynamic here (and it's very fun to play). -Vanguard with Garrus: as I said, infiltrators are great to cover their lover's back, especially when the one you love tends to make herself a target and she prefers to punch enemies upfront instead of take cover (vanguards, right?) Anyway, have fun! Tell us what you do at the end
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Post by Sah291 on Oct 16, 2016 8:14:47 GMT
Yeah I usually like to pair up characters that are complementary somehow. They don't have to be complete opposites, and it can be based around anything like class, or personality, or background. I like the idea of pairing Earth born Shep up with an alien LI for example. My Garrusmance was with an Earth born Vanguard, and they were both sort of paragade alignment I guess, but I liked the idea of an ex gang member soldier pairing up with an ex cop to save the world. The class combo worked out well. I do like the idea of Liara with a more renegade Shep too. Although I always feel like Liara is just kind of attracted to Shepard no matter what.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 16, 2016 13:49:05 GMT
You can make it work easily with any combination It depends on where you want to put the emphasis of the relationship during the games. I agree with you in About attraction of the opposites:-Vanguard Renegade and Liara: it can be pretty interesting if in ME1 your Shep is very Renegade (Liara is super Paragon), then in ME2 your Shep is less Renegade (the missing colonists warm her cold heart) and Liara less Paragon (she changes a lot from ME1 to ME2, she seems more renegade because of what happened with Shepard's body and the Shadow Broker). Then in ME3 the relationship comes to an Equilibrium. -Infiltrator Paragon and Garrus it's easy, because Garrus doesn't change so drastically as Liara from ME1 to ME2, so your Shepard can be a absolute Paragon during the trilogy. Also, maybe their views were very different at the beginning of the trilogy, but in ME3 they tend to think pretty alike. About attraction of not opposites:I think it's also good when two characters share similarities and sometimes they can learn as much from the confrontation as from understanding. -A Paragon Infiltrator can get along pretty good with Liara, moreover if she is a sniper: Shep can feel pretty conflicted about her job (snipers kills while they are hidden, surprise attacks, at distance), so maybe she feels comforted that Liara understands her struggle and loves her anyway. -Also, in the case of Renegade Vanguard and Garrus: maybe what it makes them both close in ME2 is Garrus really seems to fully understand the difficult and very cuestionable choices Shepard make and the burden she wears on her shoulders. He doesn't judge her for it. That's particulary revealing in ME3 when the real difficult outcomes appear (I would recommend you don't go full Renegade unless you want to be a psycopath. If you know the outcomes, choose a couple really hard emotionally, but not the whole pack: if you kill Wrex, Mordin, Tali, Legion, Ash/Kaidan, etc. in the same playtrough... well, maybe Garrus or Liara will support you no matter what but... could you keep playing after that?). If you prefer to decide depending on your class:- Vanguard Shep and Liara/Infiltrator Shep and Garrus: competition is key. I see a Biotic Shep challenging Liara to a biotic fight just for fun (because a Vanguard Shep simply doesn't assume that someone is better than her, not even an Asari!!). Also, the fighting ends in bed for sure . On the other hand, I picture Infiltrator Shep challenging all the squadmates (particulary Garrus)to aim contests to prove she is best (so when she lets him win on the top of the Citadel you can say that was character progresion ... or she doesn't let him win because she wants to win no matter what because she is freaking Shepard !). -Infiltrator with Liara: infiltrators are great to protect people they love from the distance. At the same time, Liara protects Shepard from the distance thanks to her biotics, so you have an interesting dynamic here (and it's very fun to play). -Vanguard with Garrus: as I said, infiltrators are great to cover their lover's back, especially when the one you love tends to make herself a target and she prefers to punch enemies upfront instead of take cover (vanguards, right?) Anyway, have fun! Tell us what you do at the end About attraction of the opposites: Well, she's going to be a "nice" renegade. Not racist, not doing really evil stuff like letting Samara kill herself in ME3, not treating her allies like shit. I don't think she'll change to be more paragon throughout the games, but she won't exactly be a pure renegade to begin with. ME2's dumb persuasion system about diminishing returns about missing renegade options will make this difficult, but I figure that I'll get enough of a renegade bonus from ME1 that I'll have some wiggle room. She's still going to be about 85% renegade though. Also, my plan to have her be colonist and ruthless is an intentional combination. It makes Torfan basically a revenge story, she's attacking the same group that burned her family and home years ago. So she sacrifices everything to make sure she personally puts a bullet into every last slaver there, because of what they did to her years prior. It gives an actual motive to being ruthless during that mission, it makes it more than just Shepard being ruthless as a default personality. Bottom line, not quite paragade but definitely leaning a bit in that direction. About attraction of not opposites:Okay, I'll be honest. She might not be an infiltrator. I'm running her now in her first ME1 playthrough as an infiltrator with hacking as a bonus power, basically making her an engineer with sniper training in a roundabout way. And I'm still waffling on ME2 and ME3. I might make her an engineer and give her sniper training on the Collector ship to make her an infiltrator-lite. Or I make make her an infiltrator and give her energy drain as a bonus power as a sort of overload replacement to make her an engineer-lite. Either way though, she's going to be a tech-based sniper one way or the other. This is honestly as difficult a choice as the romance choice, but I figure I can't really get advice for that. That one's going to come down entirely to what I'm feeling. I got to admit, petty as it is, that awesome paragon interrupt that engineers get in ME3 Omega is definitely making the choice harder. Not sure if it matters to being a renegade or not, but my Garrus romancer is going to be a cheater. I think the romantic plot flows well if she goes to Garrus as a rebound fling after Kaidan basically rejects her on Horizon, and that fling turns into something serious as time goes on. I don't know if you'd think that matches a paragon, but it definitely is a renegade thing to do for certain. And no, I'm not getting anyone killed or doing any of the really bad actions. Although she is likely to be pointing a gun at Mordin at one point... But she ain't firing it. If you prefer to decide depending on your class: I don't see either of them being for competition. These Shepard's are the type to not care about who's doing best, so long as the mission is going well and everyone is pulling their weight. She doesn't care who gets the final shot to the final enemy, she just cares that someone gets the damn shot. So it would definitely have to be complimentary, if I went in the direction of choosing based on class. You do make a good case for that, but... Not factoring power combos? Yeah I usually like to pair up characters that are complementary somehow. They don't have to be complete opposites, and it can be based around anything like class, or personality, or background. I like the idea of pairing Earth born Shep up with an alien LI for example. My Garrusmance was with an Earth born Vanguard, and they were both sort of paragade alignment I guess, but I liked the idea of an ex gang member soldier pairing up with an ex cop to save the world. The class combo worked out well. I do like the idea of Liara with a more renegade Shep too. Although I always feel like Liara is just kind of attracted to Shepard no matter what. Yeah, I do agree about having similar backgrounds can be fun. Remember, my spacer sentinel is romancing Tali. So that right there is 2 people with similar backgrounds hooking up. And yes, I do see some appeal in ex gang members romancing ex cops. The latter would be favoring the paragon infiltrator, or engineer who can snipe, or whatever the heck weird combination of classes she is. Still uncertain, but this has given me some interesting perspectives. So this topic was still worth making, even if it ultimately doesn't help much with my decision. But I am running out of time, if it's to be Garrus then I need to start romancing ME1 Kaidan soon since I'm literally 10 minutes from getting Liara (just entered the mine she's in).
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Post by aoibhealfae on Oct 16, 2016 17:52:01 GMT
So... this is about class?
Garrus is a range-damager and his main weapon is sniper rifle. So you have to depend on him making the kill shot from a far although the AI is very unreliable in ME1 and ME2 (sometimes he shoot at the wall, stay in cover too long). I rather choose him for his assault rifle but he's the most squishiest of all squadmates which make him very unsuitable for and mid-range and close fights. His armor is limited to medium in ME1, he hardly have any defensive in ME2, only in ME3 did he get shield bonus. If you want him exclusively in the trilogy, you play as a vanguard or a soldier on anything but Insanity difficulty. You can but you'll have to micromanage his actions. There's a lot of situation where he simply keel over and die particularly in harder fights like ME1's Geth Colossus, Derelict Reaper, Horizon, that annoying Praetorian. ME3 Insanity is manageable since tech combo work fairly effective on everything.
Liara is a caster. She's useful as crowd control and biotic are fairly OP in ME1. But I hardly use her in ME1 because the game bug out frequently, sometimes Singularity throw everyone behind the wall or inside the ceiling or underneath the floor. In Shadow Broker, she is useful against Barrier and Armor, but not much against Shield which is a cumbersome in the final fight. In ME3, I find her to be the least useful when paired with an Adept. Shepard's powers tend to be stronger then all of squadmates so except for Warp, all her powers became redundant. She matched with Sentinel Shepard and Vanguard (particularly useful to use Singularity as primer for combo) but also Soldier if you want a Soldier-Engineer-Adept setup.
as for how you RP... that's up to you.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 16, 2016 18:48:22 GMT
So... this is about class? Um... Not really? I said I'm considering from both gameplay and roleplay. If for example Garrus is objectively better for a sniper than for a vanguard, then I might go with gameplay over roleplay. Honestly, as I said earlier, choosing off of RP is actually being more difficult for me. It's why I decided to maybe go based on class instead, since I figured that's more objective and could make this decision easier. Also, before the rest, I'm not totally ignorant about the gameplay. I've done literally 20+ ME1 playthroughs, probably 13+ of ME2, and about 7 of ME3. Diminishing numbers since I kept playing up to date in the trilogy for each game that came out, so I have simply had more time to play ME1 more than ME2 and more time to play ME2 than ME3. So... this is about class? Garrus is a range-damager and his main weapon is sniper rifle. So you have to depend on him making the kill shot from a far although the AI is very unreliable in ME1 and ME2 (sometimes he shoot at the wall, stay in cover too long). I rather choose him for his assault rifle but he's the most squishiest of all squadmates which make him very unsuitable for and mid-range and close fights. His armor is limited to medium in ME1, he hardly have any defensive in ME2, only in ME3 did he get shield bonus. If you want him exclusively in the trilogy, you play as a vanguard or a soldier on anything but Insanity difficulty. You can but you'll have to micromanage his actions. There's a lot of situation where he simply keel over and die particularly in harder fights like ME1's Geth Colossus, Derelict Reaper, Horizon, that annoying Praetorian. ME3 Insanity is manageable since tech combo work fairly effective on everything. Liara is a caster. She's useful as crowd control and biotic are fairly OP in ME1. But I hardly use her in ME1 because the game bug out frequently, sometimes Singularity throw everyone behind the wall or inside the ceiling or underneath the floor. In Shadow Broker, she is useful against Barrier and Armor, but not much against Shield which is a cumbersome in the final fight. In ME3, I find her to be the least useful when paired with an Adept. Shepard's powers tend to be stronger then all of squadmates so except for Warp, all her powers became redundant. She matched with Sentinel Shepard and Vanguard (particularly useful to use Singularity as primer for combo) but also Soldier if you want a Soldier-Engineer-Adept setup. as for how you RP... that's up to you. Oh, I know how unreliable the AI is. Sometimes they're so useless that I feel like just soloing everything... Sometimes. Also, no, his armor isn't limited to medium. Well, okay, he's TECHNICALLY restricted He's got actual models for heavy, and was supposed to be able to wear heavy (and it shows). Of course, you do need to, uh, exploit a glitch. I can make Wrex wear light (glitches his character model really badly), Tali to wear heavy (makes her appearance look like her default Hydra armor), and everything in between. Hell, because it's canon, I always put my Shepard's into heavy Onyx (N7) armor regardless of class. My adepts and engineers wear heavy armor just as much as the very-rare soldiers I play. So no, Garrus gets heavy armor since he looks best in it anyway. If anyone is still unaware of it, I can explain the exploit. Works on all versions of ME1. ME1 is just my stepping stone, it's my least favorite of the trilogy. I am only playing through it for continuity and because this female infiltrator is a whole new character that I plan to import. Thing is, I need to decide my romance NOW. It's either going to be Liara, or going to be kinda-Kaidan before she switches to Garrus later. Right now I'm still kinda stringing both characters along since I'm not decided yet, but time is running out. "If you want him exclusively in the trilogy, you play as a vanguard or a soldier on anything but Insanity difficulty" So you think he'd objectively be better for a vanguard from a tactical standpoint? And yes, I play on insanity to hardcore. My difficulty option changes based on the mission, my way of matching canon to gameplay. Mercs like Blue Suns shouldn't put up the same fight as Collectors and Geth, so I set it to hardcore when dealing with their and other merc types. For Geth or Collectors, I set it to insanity. I forget my difficulty choice for ME3... "She matched with Sentinel Shepard and Vanguard" So you're saying vanguard is the better choice for BOTH Garrus and Liara. Uh, that doesn't really help me...
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May this will help:
For combat, I prefer taking squad mates with different skills than my own rather than those that have the same ones since this gives me a greater range of possibilities... so I would tend to go with Garrus for your vanguard and Liara for your infiltrator. You can always use the second squad mate to bring in specific skills for specific missions.
However, in ME1, the infiltrator has decryption... and Liara just has electronics, so if you're romancing her and taking her one every mission, you can take Wrex or Ashley (who don't have either decryption or electronics) along as a second squad mate when you want their skills and you still don't have to worry that you'll encounter something you won't be able to open.
Conversely, the vanguard has neither decryption or electronics (of course, unless you select decryption as your bonus power), so to open everything, you pretty much need to take either Garrus, Kaidan, or Tali along on every mission anyways. If your Vanguard is going to be romancing Garrus in ME2 and you want to take him on every mission in ME1 anyways, this frees up the second squad mate to again fill in whatever other skills you want. If your Vanguard is romancing Liara and you want to take her on every mission, you'll lose out on anything that requires decryption if you want to use either Ashley or Wrex as your second squad mate.
As I said before, some of there dialogue will change as Shepard uses more renegade options when talking with them. The difference is not huge, but enough that Liara won't appear to be quite so good two shoes as she does with a paragon Shepard. Another way to make Liara appear less like a schoolgirl with a crush is to forego romancing her in ME1 by recruiting her late (i.e. by doing Therum after either Noveria or Feros or even after Virmire). You can then sort of see some interest develop in Shepard during LotSB (depending on what dialogues you select) and you'll be able to form the actual romance during ME3. You can also go the route of romancing Liara in ME1, doing LotSB as earlier as possible in ME2 (before Garrus' loyalty mission), and agreeing with her to break off the relationship during LotSB... and then go on to romance Garrus through to the end of ME3 (without cheating).
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 16, 2016 20:13:17 GMT
May this will help: For combat, I prefer taking squad mates with different skills than my own rather than those that have the same ones since this gives me a greater range of possibilities... so I would tend to go with Garrus for your vanguard and Liara for your infiltrator. You can always use the second squad mate to bring in specific skills for specific missions. However, in ME1, the infiltrator has decryption... and Liara just has electronics, so if you're romancing her and taking her one every mission, you can take Wrex or Ashley (who don't have either decryption or electronics) along as a second squad mate when you want their skills and you still don't have to worry that you'll encounter something you won't be able to open. Conversely, the vanguard has neither decryption or electronics (of course, unless you select decryption as your bonus power), so to open everything, you pretty much need to take either Garrus, Kaidan, or Tali along on every mission anyways. If your Vanguard is going to be romancing Garrus in ME1 and you want to take him on every mission in ME1 anyways, this frees up the second squad mate to again fill in whatever other skills you want. If your Vanguard is romancing Liara and you want to take her on every mission, you'll lose out on anything that requires decryption if you want to use either Ashley or Wrex as your second squad mate. As I said before, some of there dialogue will change as Shepard uses more renegade options when talking with them. The difference is not huge, but enough that Liara won't appear to be quite so good two shoes as she does with a paragon Shepard. Another way to make Liara appear less like a schoolgirl with a crush is to forego romancing her in ME1 by recruiting her late (i.e. by doing Therum after either Noveria or Feros or even after Virmire). You can then sort of see some interest develop in Shepard during LotSB (depending on what dialogues you select) and you'll be able to form the actual romance during ME3. You can also go the route of romancing Liara in ME1, doing LotSB as earlier as possible in ME2 (before Garrus' loyalty mission), and agreeing with her to break off the relationship during LotSB... and then go on to romance Garrus through to the end of ME3 (without cheating). I'll just go paragraph by paragraph instead of multiple quotes, think that makes it easier for me. Not counting the first, since it's one sentence. Paragraph 1: That is logical, yes. It is true that it gives me more options in combat, in general. Something to think about. Paragraph 2: Uh, infiltrators get both electronics and decryption. Compared to an engineer, they trade in fitness for medicine, and sniper rifle for hacking... That's it. Give the infiltrator hacking, and you've basically got an engineer with far more durability and weapon damage with the only tradeoff being slightly worse healing (which is basically useless once everyone has medical exoskeleton X's anyway). So, honestly, I'm missing only a single talent that an engineer would have, and it's a useless one at that. I'm like an engineer except better, and that was the point. This is useful for me in another way too. I like to stick to my self canon, so biotic Shepard's can't become a non-biotic class in ME2, or a engineer can't become an adept. Normally I'm stuck being the same class from ME1 to ME2, but there's ways to alter that. For example, I can give a ME1 vanguard singularity as a bonus talent which will let me self-canon a class change from vanguard to adept without feeling like I broke continuity. I did the same thing here, picking infiltrator with hacking as a bonus talent in ME1 lets me get away with being able to pick infiltrator OR engineer without betraying my Shepard's canon. It gives me more wiggle room for my ME2 class than I'd normally have. I even do this in other ways, like I'm going to give my sentinel warp in ME1 as their bonus talent since they have it in ME2 and I'd prefer them to have it in ME1 too for continuity. Or giving my vanguard in ME2 reave since it's basically a specialized warp and I need to somehow explain why vanguard-Shepard doesn't use warp anymore in ME2 (it's because they "evolved" their warp into reave in ME2). Anyway, bottom line, I have decryption and electronics already. In fact, I'm already level 32 and already have the master form of both so I can open and hack anything and everything... This paragraph ended a bit long . Paragraph 3: Technically, I can't romance Garrus in ME1. Like I said, it will be Kaidan in ME1 with a good roleplay reason to switch to Garrus in ME2. Just a minor point, I know. Either way, you make a good point about decryption. It's definitely true that I'd need to bring a tech character anyway, either way, if I'm a vanguard. So the argument that I may as well be who I'm romancing at the time or will romance later is a good case, one I will definitely need to consider. Paragraph 4: I won't be recruiting her late. I always do story missions in a particular order, and Therum is first. And no, there's no argument you can make to make me change my mind, my story mission order is final. And no, I won't be not romancing her in ME1 if I intend to romance her at all. LotSB gets a lot added to it only if you romanced her prior, and half the fun of that DLC is getting the romance specific dialogue. And since I'll only romance her on 1 of the 3 future characters, it means I'd miss out on the romance LotSB dialogue for 3 playthroughs in a row. That is not happening. And for the final idea, I can't think of a compelling reason for Shepard to break it off during LotSB or for why she'd use Garrus as a rebound for it. If I'm romancing her, it's for the whole trilogy. I'd do that for Garrus too, if it was actually an option.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 20:35:28 GMT
May this will help: For combat, I prefer taking squad mates with different skills than my own rather than those that have the same ones since this gives me a greater range of possibilities... so I would tend to go with Garrus for your vanguard and Liara for your infiltrator. You can always use the second squad mate to bring in specific skills for specific missions. However, in ME1, the infiltrator has decryption... and Liara just has electronics, so if you're romancing her and taking her one every mission, you can take Wrex or Ashley (who don't have either decryption or electronics) along as a second squad mate when you want their skills and you still don't have to worry that you'll encounter something you won't be able to open. Conversely, the vanguard has neither decryption or electronics (of course, unless you select decryption as your bonus power), so to open everything, you pretty much need to take either Garrus, Kaidan, or Tali along on every mission anyways. If your Vanguard is going to be romancing Garrus in ME1 and you want to take him on every mission in ME1 anyways, this frees up the second squad mate to again fill in whatever other skills you want. If your Vanguard is romancing Liara and you want to take her on every mission, you'll lose out on anything that requires decryption if you want to use either Ashley or Wrex as your second squad mate. As I said before, some of there dialogue will change as Shepard uses more renegade options when talking with them. The difference is not huge, but enough that Liara won't appear to be quite so good two shoes as she does with a paragon Shepard. Another way to make Liara appear less like a schoolgirl with a crush is to forego romancing her in ME1 by recruiting her late (i.e. by doing Therum after either Noveria or Feros or even after Virmire). You can then sort of see some interest develop in Shepard during LotSB (depending on what dialogues you select) and you'll be able to form the actual romance during ME3. You can also go the route of romancing Liara in ME1, doing LotSB as earlier as possible in ME2 (before Garrus' loyalty mission), and agreeing with her to break off the relationship during LotSB... and then go on to romance Garrus through to the end of ME3 (without cheating). I'll just go paragraph by paragraph instead of multiple quotes, think that makes it easier for me. Not counting the first, since it's one sentence. Paragraph 1: That is logical, yes. It is true that it gives me more options in combat, in general. Something to think about. Paragraph 2: Uh, infiltrators get both electronics and decryption. Compared to an engineer, they trade in fitness for medicine, and sniper rifle for hacking... That's it. Give the infiltrator hacking, and you've basically got an engineer with far more durability and weapon damage with the only tradeoff being slightly worse healing (which is basically useless once everyone has medical exoskeleton X's anyway). So, honestly, I'm missing only a single talent that an engineer would have, and it's a useless one at that. I'm like an engineer except better, and that was the point. This is useful for me in another way too. I like to stick to my self canon, so biotic Shepard's can't become a non-biotic class in ME2, or a engineer can't become an adept. Normally I'm stuck being the same class from ME1 to ME2, but there's ways to alter that. For example, I can give a ME1 vanguard singularity as a bonus talent which will let me self-canon a class change from vanguard to adept without feeling like I broke continuity. I did the same thing here, picking infiltrator with hacking as a bonus talent in ME1 lets me get away with being able to pick infiltrator OR engineer without betraying my Shepard's canon. It gives me more wiggle room for my ME2 class than I'd normally have. I even do this in other ways, like I'm going to give my sentinel warp in ME1 as their bonus talent since they have it in ME2 and I'd prefer them to have it in ME1 too for continuity. Or giving my vanguard in ME2 reave since it's basically a specialized warp and I need to somehow explain why vanguard-Shepard doesn't use warp anymore in ME2 (it's because they "evolved" their warp into reave in ME2). Anyway, bottom line, I have decryption and electronics already. In fact, I'm already level 32 and already have the master form of both so I can open and hack anything and everything... This paragraph ended a bit long . Paragraph 3: Technically, I can't romance Garrus in ME1. Like I said, it will be Kaidan in ME1 with a good roleplay reason to switch to Garrus in ME2. Just a minor point, I know. Either way, you make a good point about decryption. It's definitely true that I'd need to bring a tech character anyway, either way, if I'm a vanguard. So the argument that I may as well be who I'm romancing at the time or will romance later is a good case, one I will definitely need to consider. Paragraph 4: I won't be recruiting her late. I always do story missions in a particular order, and Therum is first. And no, there's no argument you can make to make me change my mind, my story mission order is final. And no, I won't be not romancing her in ME1 if I intend to romance her at all. LotSB gets a lot added to it only if you romanced her prior, and half the fun of that DLC is getting the romance specific dialogue. And since I'll only romance her on 1 of the 3 future characters, it means I'd miss out on the romance LotSB dialogue for 3 playthroughs in a row. That is not happening. And for the final idea, I can't think of a compelling reason for Shepard to break it off during LotSB or for why she'd use Garrus as a rebound for it. If I'm romancing her, it's for the whole trilogy. I'd do that for Garrus too, if it was actually an option. Sorry, about my mistake on Infiltrator in ME1... it's been a long time since I've played one. I knew they had decryption, but I honestly thought electronics was not part of their basic repertoire. I'm not trying to change your mind about anything. Just putting ideas out there. Ultimately, you'll play however you want to. Personally, I hardly ever play a FemShep and Garrus doesn't really turn my crank when I do. Liara doesn't really either... I'm into humans not aliens. As a result, FemShep really only has one long-term romance option for me... that's Kaidan. BroShep has a few more.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 16, 2016 20:56:17 GMT
Sorry, about my mistake on Infiltrator in ME1... it's been a long time since I've played one. I knew they had decryption, but I honestly thought electronics was not part of their basic repertoire. I'm not trying to change your mind about anything. Just putting ideas out there. Ultimately, you'll play however you want to. Personally, I hardly ever play a FemShep and Garrus doesn't really turn my crank when I do. No no, it's fine. You still made excellent points, and you've actually helped me at least move closer to a decision. Also, Garrus is more just because of a lack of good options. Like I said, Kaidan (and Ashley's) is too empty, Thane's was LITERALLY forgotten about partially through ME3's development (seriously, a Bioware developer admitted that this is why Thane's romance ends up being brushed over so fast in ME3), and Jacob cheats on you for no good reason and even gets another girl pregnant (even having the romance forgotten for a while would have been better than this slap in the face). Sad fact is, male Shep flat-out gets the better romances. Like it's not even comparable, fem Shep got a really raw deal. Still, the Garrus one is good. Up there with some of the best male Shep ones. Although... You do have to roleplay your Shepard to be a bit kinky. I mean, actually wanting to have sex with a turian as a human? Yeah, that takes a person with rather weird tastes to want. I mean, at least quarians and asari are human-like. Turians though, not so much. I guess there's a precedent though, asari also often pair up with turians despite the massive physical differences (granted that their attraction and sex acts are much more mental than what a human and turian will have together). But hey, I don't particularly mind playing as a bit of a sexual deviant so long as consent is involved. Not my personal choice, but I have no problems with my character being attracted to someone I'm not. I don't put my own personality into my Shepard's too much, I'm more like Shepard's character writer more than I am actually her (or him). You edited... "Liara doesn't really either... I'm into humans not aliens. As a result, FemShep really only has one long-term romance option for me... that's Kaidan. BroShep has a few more." Eh, most of mine are alien. I've actually never romanced Miranda or Jack before, I'd prefer a romance to last the whole trilogy. Or at least the relationship, if not the romance (like for Garrus and Tali).
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Sorry, about my mistake on Infiltrator in ME1... it's been a long time since I've played one. I knew they had decryption, but I honestly thought electronics was not part of their basic repertoire. I'm not trying to change your mind about anything. Just putting ideas out there. Ultimately, you'll play however you want to. Personally, I hardly ever play a FemShep and Garrus doesn't really turn my crank when I do. No no, it's fine. You still made excellent points, and you've actually helped me at least move closer to a decision. Also, Garrus is more just because of a lack of good options. Like I said, Kaidan (and Ashley's) is too empty, Thane's was LITERALLY forgotten about partially through ME3's development (seriously, a Bioware developer admitted that this is why Thane's romance ends up being brushed over so fast in ME3), and Jacob cheats on you for no good reason and even gets another girl pregnant (even having the romance forgotten for a while would have been better than this slap in the face). Sad fact is, male Shep flat-out gets the better romances. Like it's not even comparable, fem Shep got a really raw deal. Still, the Garrus one is good. Up there with some of the best male Shep ones. Although... You do have to roleplay your Shepard to be a bit kinky. I mean, actually wanting to have sex with a turian as a human? Yeah, that takes a person with rather weird tastes to want. I mean, at least quarians and asari are human-like. Turians though, not so much. I guess there's a precedent though, asari also often pair up with turians despite the massive physical differences (granted that their attraction and sex acts are much more mental than what a human and turian will have together). But hey, I don't particularly mind playing as a bit of a sexual deviant so long as consent is involved. Not my personal choice, but I have no problems with my character being attracted to someone I'm not. I don't put my own personality into my Shepard's too much, I'm more like Shepard's character writer more than I am actually her (or him). You edited... "Liara doesn't really either... I'm into humans not aliens. As a result, FemShep really only has one long-term romance option for me... that's Kaidan. BroShep has a few more." Eh, most of mine are alien. I've actually never romanced Miranda or Jack before, I'd prefer a romance to last the whole trilogy. Or at least the relationship, if not the romance (like for Garrus and Tali). Sorry... yeah, I frequently edit... I tend to get interrupted here a lot, so my posts are often unfinished and I have to go back to finish them later. I could not post them and start over each time... but... editing is easier for me. Agree... FemShep got a raw deal in the romance department. BroShep's possibilities are both more numerous and more interesting in a lot of ways. I have romanced Garrus (once) but I find he makes a great friend anyways. IMO, the romance doesn't really add that much. If I keep him as a male BFF or even a pseudo-brother for both FemShep and BroShep, it just steers me clear of any of the romantic awkwardness. I usually do the same with Liara (and recruiting her late makes it a lot easier to do as well)... although, if Shepard cheats, seeing her get angry/jealous in LotSB is quite fun.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 16, 2016 21:29:23 GMT
although, if Shepard cheats, seeing her get angry/jealous in LotSB is quite fun. Not to me, I hate it. Liara's creepy stalker side comes out in the cheating dialogue, and it straight-up makes me dislike her when she acts like that. I can't stand jealous Liara, who makes it clear that she literally spies on the rest of the team. I'd rather just entirely avoid that dialogue entirely, if I can help it.
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Post by dalinne on Oct 16, 2016 22:59:57 GMT
You can make it work easily with any combination It depends on where you want to put the emphasis of the relationship during the games. I agree with you in About attraction of the opposites:-Vanguard Renegade and Liara: it can be pretty interesting if in ME1 your Shep is very Renegade (Liara is super Paragon), then in ME2 your Shep is less Renegade (the missing colonists warm her cold heart) and Liara less Paragon (she changes a lot from ME1 to ME2, she seems more renegade because of what happened with Shepard's body and the Shadow Broker). Then in ME3 the relationship comes to an Equilibrium. -Infiltrator Paragon and Garrus it's easy, because Garrus doesn't change so drastically as Liara from ME1 to ME2, so your Shepard can be a absolute Paragon during the trilogy. Also, maybe their views were very different at the beginning of the trilogy, but in ME3 they tend to think pretty alike. About attraction of not opposites:I think it's also good when two characters share similarities and sometimes they can learn as much from the confrontation as from understanding. -A Paragon Infiltrator can get along pretty good with Liara, moreover if she is a sniper: Shep can feel pretty conflicted about her job (snipers kills while they are hidden, surprise attacks, at distance), so maybe she feels comforted that Liara understands her struggle and loves her anyway. -Also, in the case of Renegade Vanguard and Garrus: maybe what it makes them both close in ME2 is Garrus really seems to fully understand the difficult and very cuestionable choices Shepard make and the burden she wears on her shoulders. He doesn't judge her for it. That's particulary revealing in ME3 when the real difficult outcomes appear (I would recommend you don't go full Renegade unless you want to be a psycopath. If you know the outcomes, choose a couple really hard emotionally, but not the whole pack: if you kill Wrex, Mordin, Tali, Legion, Ash/Kaidan, etc. in the same playtrough... well, maybe Garrus or Liara will support you no matter what but... could you keep playing after that?). If you prefer to decide depending on your class:- Vanguard Shep and Liara/Infiltrator Shep and Garrus: competition is key. I see a Biotic Shep challenging Liara to a biotic fight just for fun (because a Vanguard Shep simply doesn't assume that someone is better than her, not even an Asari!!). Also, the fighting ends in bed for sure . On the other hand, I picture Infiltrator Shep challenging all the squadmates (particulary Garrus)to aim contests to prove she is best (so when she lets him win on the top of the Citadel you can say that was character progresion ... or she doesn't let him win because she wants to win no matter what because she is freaking Shepard !). -Infiltrator with Liara: infiltrators are great to protect people they love from the distance. At the same time, Liara protects Shepard from the distance thanks to her biotics, so you have an interesting dynamic here (and it's very fun to play). -Vanguard with Garrus: as I said, infiltrators are great to cover their lover's back, especially when the one you love tends to make herself a target and she prefers to punch enemies upfront instead of take cover (vanguards, right?) Anyway, have fun! Tell us what you do at the end About attraction of the opposites: Well, she's going to be a "nice" renegade. Not racist, not doing really evil stuff like letting Samara kill herself in ME3, not treating her allies like shit. I don't think she'll change to be more paragon throughout the games, but she won't exactly be a pure renegade to begin with. ME2's dumb persuasion system about diminishing returns about missing renegade options will make this difficult, but I figure that I'll get enough of a renegade bonus from ME1 that I'll have some wiggle room. She's still going to be about 85% renegade though. Also, my plan to have her be colonist and ruthless is an intentional combination. It makes Torfan basically a revenge story, she's attacking the same group that burned her family and home years ago. So she sacrifices everything to make sure she personally puts a bullet into every last slaver there, because of what they did to her years prior. It gives an actual motive to being ruthless during that mission, it makes it more than just Shepard being ruthless as a default personality. Bottom line, not quite paragade but definitely leaning a bit in that direction. About attraction of not opposites:Okay, I'll be honest. She might not be an infiltrator. I'm running her now in her first ME1 playthrough as an infiltrator with hacking as a bonus power, basically making her an engineer with sniper training in a roundabout way. And I'm still waffling on ME2 and ME3. I might make her an engineer and give her sniper training on the Collector ship to make her an infiltrator-lite. Or I make make her an infiltrator and give her energy drain as a bonus power as a sort of overload replacement to make her an engineer-lite. Either way though, she's going to be a tech-based sniper one way or the other. This is honestly as difficult a choice as the romance choice, but I figure I can't really get advice for that. That one's going to come down entirely to what I'm feeling. I got to admit, petty as it is, that awesome paragon interrupt that engineers get in ME3 Omega is definitely making the choice harder. Not sure if it matters to being a renegade or not, but my Garrus romancer is going to be a cheater. I think the romantic plot flows well if she goes to Garrus as a rebound fling after Kaidan basically rejects her on Horizon, and that fling turns into something serious as time goes on. I don't know if you'd think that matches a paragon, but it definitely is a renegade thing to do for certain. And no, I'm not getting anyone killed or doing any of the really bad actions. Although she is likely to be pointing a gun at Mordin at one point... But she ain't firing it. If you prefer to decide depending on your class: I don't see either of them being for competition. These Shepard's are the type to not care about who's doing best, so long as the mission is going well and everyone is pulling their weight. She doesn't care who gets the final shot to the final enemy, she just cares that someone gets the damn shot. So it would definitely have to be complimentary, if I went in the direction of choosing based on class. You do make a good case for that, but... Not factoring power combos? Yeah I usually like to pair up characters that are complementary somehow. They don't have to be complete opposites, and it can be based around anything like class, or personality, or background. I like the idea of pairing Earth born Shep up with an alien LI for example. My Garrusmance was with an Earth born Vanguard, and they were both sort of paragade alignment I guess, but I liked the idea of an ex gang member soldier pairing up with an ex cop to save the world. The class combo worked out well. I do like the idea of Liara with a more renegade Shep too. Although I always feel like Liara is just kind of attracted to Shepard no matter what. Yeah, I do agree about having similar backgrounds can be fun. Remember, my spacer sentinel is romancing Tali. So that right there is 2 people with similar backgrounds hooking up. And yes, I do see some appeal in ex gang members romancing ex cops. The latter would be favoring the paragon infiltrator, or engineer who can snipe, or whatever the heck weird combination of classes she is. Still uncertain, but this has given me some interesting perspectives. So this topic was still worth making, even if it ultimately doesn't help much with my decision. But I am running out of time, if it's to be Garrus then I need to start romancing ME1 Kaidan soon since I'm literally 10 minutes from getting Liara (just entered the mine she's in). Nice Renegade (Renegon) or Dark Paragon (Paragade) is always good in order to make the character more grey ( i.e. I like to make Paragade a character with Torfan's background because people look at her as she is a kind of war criminal or a psycopath but at the same time it gives me space to re-imagine what really happenned in there. The same with a Renegon with Hero background: everyone is expecting a type of Shepard who is nice and very diplomatic when that's not her style and maybe she did some questionable things during the Blitz Attack...) Engineer is one of my favourite class ever. In terms of roleplaying, your Shepard can be the witty and methodical nerd girl. Also, an engineer can have interesting backgrounds depending on the combination: maybe an Earthborn has learnt to be a mechanical genius by herself; maybe with Colonist background her father, her mother or other relative taught her the most advanced engineering shit; with a Spacer... maybe she is the human equivalent of Tali, very interested in ships, machinery etc. because ships is where she and her mother live (someone has pointed out something like this before, maybe you?). About combos, that's up to you. Try to remember what did you love the most in other playtroughs (explode things with Singularity + warp; more about electrical shocks plus biotics; etc.) and choose depending what will be more fun for you. You can adapt your romance to that. I agree if you want to romance Liara is better to do it all the three games. Altough reserving her for the last games it seems to me like they have evolved: maybe Shepard was not interested in Liara in ME1 but after reuniting with her in ME2, the tension and new attraction during the LoTSB... could lead her to fell in love with Liara. At the same time, Liara has a crush on Shep in ME1, but then after she died that infatuation evolves to definitely love. Also, this time Liara gives Shepard space until in ME3 when they came together (however, it's really sad to loose so much content in ME1 and 2 so I understand you probably prefer to avoid that). There is a way you can break up with Liara and meet someone else in ME2: my Paragade Shep wasn't very happy with the new Liara of ME2. However, she wanted to give the relationship a chance. But in the ship when they talk, Shepard choose the most pessimistic responses about dying during the Suicide Mission so Liara leaves and you have Shepard alone looking at the glasses full of wine, sad. So if you like the drama you can try that. About a Shep cheater, it's an interesting character flaw you can exploit: she always cheats? is it something she has done before or someone cheated on her and so on she doesn't really trust anyone in relationship? it's all about sex? Or maybe... I personally prefer not to romance Kaidan in ME1 if I'm going to fall for a Garrus romance, basically because I really like Kaidan as FemShep's friend especially in ME3 when he is more relaxed and fun. However, I appreciate drama in videogames above all things so if you want to break some hearts, crush them hard!!! About Garrus romance: you can play the xenophilia thing if you want, but only with that I don't see why your Shepard should stay with him in ME3. Sah291I love the ex gang and ex cop dynamic A LOT. I use a lot of that in ME1 (when Garrus is not romanceable): Shepard doesn't trust him because he was a cop and she didn't get along with cops for obvious reasons (especially in her home city where the cops where very crooked). So ME1 is like a Sci-Fi buddy-cops from the nineties in Space (especially if I play with a Paragon Shep):
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Post by straykat on Oct 17, 2016 3:11:45 GMT
I don't think it matters. But it helps if the combat style is different, just so it makes it convenient to have them along a lot.
Personality wise, I feel like I get a bit both playing an Akuze Shep (Soldier) with Jack. In a way, they're alike because they're Cerberus labrats, but also different for being opposite classes.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 17, 2016 5:25:59 GMT
<abbr>Snipped because... That's a lot of quotes within quotes within quotes, I ain't unraveling that.</abbr> About engineer and about her: I actually have a massive backstory about her, she's literally a genius. As in 175 or 180 IQ, built her own omni-tool on Earth when she was only about 7 to 9 years old. She's capable of making an omni-tool of such power as an adult that it's superior to Savant X, she has the best built omni-tool in the Milky Way. If you're interested, I wrote her backstory to a pastebin not long ago (just a few days ago when I made this character). Shared it with a friend who said my prose wasn't the best and that they'd prefer the age she made her first omni-tool at to be 2 or 3 years older. Not sure if I agree, but it's why I gave an age range here instead of a specific age. Anyway, read if you're interested and don't mind apparently-mediocre prose. pastebin.com/WZQ8K4EzAnyway, she's a genius as tactics too. This is why infiltrator is being considered, Liara in ME3 says Shepard of that class is the tactical one. She's supposed to be a tactical and tech genius, so I'm torn between infiltrator for that Liara dialogue during the time capsule scene and the Omega scene where you instantly hack Omega's control in seconds with an interrupt, since both are in character for her. Male sentinel Tali romancer for next playthrough will be the one who is like Tali, in that he also grew up on ships and is pretty good at tech. Not Tali-good, but good enough to be a sentinel. Only reason he isn't as good at tech is his training was split between biotic and tech training, which meant he wasn't as specialized in tech as she was. Had he not been a biotic, he likely would have ended up en engineer himself. But if you got biotics, why let them go to waste by not training them? So yeah, he'll be a techy like her... But not to the same extent. Also, going with the "versatile and jack of all trades" thing sentinels have going, I'm tempted to give him carnage as a combat bonus power in ME3 so I can do every single type of combo in the game (since carnage lights enemies on fire which can be exploded with overload). That way he'll be part tech, combat, and biotic, all at once. Not as great as a specialist at any one thing like Tali is with tech, but good enough at all types of combat to be able to handle anything. Either that or incendiary grenade, but I NEVER use grenades in ME3. Usually leave them totally unleveled, because I just hate limited ammo powers. So I think I'll take carnage for the fire combos, over the grenades. Still not fully decided though, but it's a long way off. But I really can't think of a better idea for a bonus power in ME3. No, the cheating would simply be out of... Grief, I guess? Kaidan, the person she thought loved her, utterly shot her down and basically told her he was done with her. After that, she's emotionally distraught and not doing so well for a while. Then while talking to Garrus and realizing they have a strong relationship already, she gets it into her head to get sexual with him after his story about sex used as a tension release. He's literally just her rebound (I assume you know what that is), he's just someone she emotionally and sexually latches onto after Kaidan's rejection of her. And then afterward, the simple fling actually starts getting serious. By ME3, they're a full on couple and it he isn't just her rebound anymore. By that point, it's an actual loving relationship. She's really apologetic when Kaidan asks about it, but basically asks what he expected after how he treated her on Horizon. Kaidan being Kaidan, accepts that he's partially to blame and lets the matter drop. I know all this because I've actually done this before, and quite liked how it worked from a narrative and story standpoint. So I wanted to do it again, but am not/was not sure which character to do it with. So I already know how it goes and my Shepard's thoughts about it, and I want to repeat it. So no, she isn't a cheater. The way she saw it, Kaidan broke up with her. There was no one to cheat on when she went to Garrus as a rebound, she thought the relationship was over. You can't cheat if you're single, which she considered herself after Horizon. It was only after, with the mail from Kaidan and the stuff he says in the hospital in ME3, that she realized he didn't actually mean to break it all off with her. But by then, her and Garrus were an item. No going back, Kaidan had to live with the fact that he lost Shepard as a lover because of his own words and actions. I mean, really, how can you take Horizon as anything but a break up conversation? edit: Just realized you can 'like' posts on this board just like the old BSN. Interesting. I guess I just kept missing the button? I noticed because I apparently got 2 likes, so I went looking for the button. I have some really selective viewing sometimes.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Oct 17, 2016 5:57:18 GMT
Oh, I know how unreliable the AI is. Sometimes they're so useless that I feel like just soloing everything... Sometimes. Also, no, his armor isn't limited to medium. Well, okay, he's TECHNICALLY restricted He's got actual models for heavy, and was supposed to be able to wear heavy (and it shows). Of course, you do need to, uh, exploit a glitch. I can make Wrex wear light (glitches his character model really badly), Tali to wear heavy (makes her appearance look like her default Hydra armor), and everything in between. Hell, because it's canon, I always put my Shepard's into heavy Onyx (N7) armor regardless of class. My adepts and engineers wear heavy armor just as much as the very-rare soldiers I play. So no, Garrus gets heavy armor since he looks best in it anyway. If anyone is still unaware of it, I can explain the exploit. Works on all versions of ME1. ME1 is just my stepping stone, it's my least favorite of the trilogy. I am only playing through it for continuity and because this female infiltrator is a whole new character that I plan to import. Thing is, I need to decide my romance NOW. It's either going to be Liara, or going to be kinda-Kaidan before she switches to Garrus later. Right now I'm still kinda stringing both characters along since I'm not decided yet, but time is running out. "If you want him exclusively in the trilogy, you play as a vanguard or a soldier on anything but Insanity difficulty" So you think he'd objectively be better for a vanguard from a tactical standpoint? And yes, I play on insanity to hardcore. My difficulty option changes based on the mission, my way of matching canon to gameplay. Mercs like Blue Suns shouldn't put up the same fight as Collectors and Geth, so I set it to hardcore when dealing with their and other merc types. For Geth or Collectors, I set it to insanity. I forget my difficulty choice for ME3... "She matched with Sentinel Shepard and Vanguard" So you're saying vanguard is the better choice for BOTH Garrus and Liara. Uh, that doesn't really help me... You may use the glitch to alter the appearance in the console but you can't change the stats nor does it greatly improve their survivability. Unlike Liara and Kaidan who both could wear heavy armor via cheat console, there's no heavy turian armor or medium/heavy quarian available in ME1. It would have been more helpful if you clarify what you want concisely. You want us to make a choice for you which is to romance either Garrus and Liara based on their gameplay and roleplay values for female Infiltrator Shepard but we're not playing the game, you are. I have played the trilogy as female Infiltrator Shepard with both Garrus and Liara as regular teammates but this is based on my experience range from Casual, Veteran, Hardcore and Insanity since the past couple of years. Squad AI improved with difficulties however its not perfect. If you want to keep Garrus with you all the time, you are required to micromanage him throughout majority of the game. He primarily work as a squadmate who do the kill for you so you have to cover for him in fights and swarms which made him an impractical support for an Infiltrator. Liara is just as vulnerable and she isn't an aggressive fighter, she's with you for crowd control but her powers can be limited if you want to use combos (hence why Sentinel and Vanguard is best paired with her). Both of them must be treated like they're made out of tissue paper and the only way to make the viable was for Shepard to be the aggressive fighter. But even if you tweak Infiltrator to be a close range stealth fighter (like Kasumi), you still can't deal too much damage to yourself to be a tank for these two. Which is why Vanguard is a better choice for either of them. If its for RP, I won't pair an Infiltrator with Garrus because to make him really happy with you, you need to [miss the shot] on purpose and let him brag that he's the better shooter. I wouldn't mind it with other classes but I find its very out of character for an Infiltrator Shepard, especially if you are the better sniper. I'm also not a fan of a girl having to dumb herself in something she's really good at, just to take care of a guy's fragile feelings. Liara don't care what class you are. She like you either way. I don't switch difficulties in the middle of the game just to accommodate my gameplay so again that's really up to how you play it. I can't decide it for you.
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Post by andy6915 on Oct 17, 2016 6:15:52 GMT
No, you don't get it. Take a human heavy armor, glitch it onto Garrus, and how he's in heavy armor. I can put my Shepard into heavy krogan Onyx armor, and it will just look like the human heavy version. The point is that Garrus' model was designed with heavy armors in mind, it looks like this. Low quality, but here. See? He has actual, MODELED, heavy armor. Glitch a heavy onto him, and it looks normal and doesn't screw his model up at all since he was designed with a heavy model that was never used. And yes, different heavy armors do have different looks to them. They aren't just all the same exact model, colossus armor for example looks like colossus armor on him. Predator H heavy looks like predator H. And so on. Here's how you do it. "This glitch results in equipping any armor you have on any character in the party, regardless of restrictions. In the equipment menu, on armor selection, find the armor you wish to equip (greyed out or not). Count from that armor down to the bottom of the list of armor. Press X to enter upgrade selection. Select any upgrade, and hit Y to convert to Omnigel, but almost simultaneously press and hold A, and don't release. Once the prompt to confirm conversion to Omnigel appears, release A and press B. The selection screen will appear different - as if selecting armor, but with upgrades in the selection list, and the Icons describing the selection will appear strange (1 icon, then 3 other repeating icons) if done correctly. Scroll to the bottom of the list of upgrades, then scroll up the number you previously counted down from armors. Equip the 'upgrade', and the armor you previously picked will be equipped instead."
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Post by opuspace on Oct 17, 2016 12:50:39 GMT
Ha, I haven't seen that glitch's instructions in years! Loving the stories you have for your Shepards and if I may give a personal opinion, it sounds like your Vanguard would pair well with Garrus and your Tech with Liara. Combat classes with LIs who have differing skills can be great because they can balance out where your class is weaker and the roleplaying can be funny with a headcanon of a Vanguard shep asking her honey bunches to help unlock the doors or an Infiltrator thanking her girlfriend for setting up her shots. Your Tech Shepard sounds like Liara would understand her genius and Garrus seems like he'd relate very well to your renegon.
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