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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 1:03:24 GMT
Having just finished a run on DAI, I was thinking about the Titans in the Deep Roads. The Titans are the source of lyrium. Tevinter, being composed of mostly mages, would have a strong need of lyrium. I would love to find that they had dug deep enough to encounter the Sha-Brytol, perhaps even Valta, and shake the foundations of Tevinter.
I don't know exactly how it might play out but I think that if we're talking world-ending scenarios that the Titans might play some role.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 29, 2018 8:27:41 GMT
I don't think Tevinter is comprised mostly of mages, so much as that mages are in power there. But I absolutely would expect a group of them to be unscrupulous enough to somehow try and imprison a Titan to be regularly harvested. I also suspect that would be a big mistake.
I'm like 95% certain now that red lyrium and the Taint are a response triggered when the Evanuris fought the Titans the first time. Wounding or angering another one would just be doubling down.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 29, 2018 14:14:37 GMT
I don't think Tevinter is comprised mostly of mages, so much as that mages are in power there. But I absolutely would expect a group of them to be unscrupulous enough to somehow try and imprison a Titan to be regularly harvested. I also suspect that would be a big mistake. I'm like 95% certain now that red lyrium and the Taint are a response triggered when the Evanuris fought the Titans the first time. Wounding or angering another one would just be doubling down. Even mining that much blue lyrium seems like a big mistake, tbh. Red lyrium gets all the attention, but blue lyrium has a song too, and apparent motivations. It was blue lyrium that (potentially) raised Leliana from the dead for reasons unknown. It was blue lyrium that powered the Anvil of the Void, which suggests that even pure lyrium has connections to the Void. Currently, blue lyrium’s song “just” makes people go mad and, in large doses, makes golems. I’m curious what its song would be like without the Veil, when the titans wake. Would every lyrium addict be compelled to carry out their bidding?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 30, 2018 17:49:24 GMT
I'm like 95% certain now that red lyrium and the Taint are a response triggered when the Evanuris fought the Titans the first time. Wounding or angering another one would just be doubling down. If this were true, why did red lyrium not show up until recently? We know it can spread fast. Maybe you're right, since Corypheus's use of an elven artifact may have caused the spread of red lyrium, but it's just as likely that a darkspawn is behind it? Maybe the Architect triggered it, leading to Varric's brother finding it and then Corypheus makes use of it. Darkspawn corruption makes more sense as it would take normal lyrium and alter it. Lyrium is something like the blood of Titans. It could be susceptible to a virus. It might be something like a fast cancer that spreads to other organisms, even to the point of causing it to transform them into itself. Obviously it doesn't work exactly like cancer but does mutate the genes of other organisms to turn them into red lyrium. This is illustrated by Fiona turning into red lyrium in the future where Corypheus takes over. Corypheus himself, also suffused with red lyrium, seems able to control its spread. He's also a darkspawn, which I see as a link. So, yes, Titans factor in, but I don't think a fight with the Evanuris is behind it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 30, 2018 17:54:08 GMT
Currently, blue lyrium’s song “just” makes people go mad and, in large doses, makes golems. I’m curious what its song would be like without the Veil, when the titans wake. Would every lyrium addict be compelled to carry out their bidding? This is actually an interesting question. We know that spirits separated by the Veil apparently behave differently from before the time when Solas created it. What if the same is true of the Titans? Maybe they, and the lyrium, behave differently by being separated by the Fade? It would be curious to see that explored, though I doubt it will happen.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 30, 2018 18:55:23 GMT
If this were true, why did red lyrium not show up until recently? Red lyrium was in the Ancient Thaig we discovered in DA2 and we were told this pre-dated the 1st Blight. When we discover red lyrium at the site of the explosion in DAI, Solas suggests (when no one is really listening to him) that possibly magic had corrupted the lyrium there. The Temple of Sacred Ashes was built on top of a mountain full of lyrium (as confirmed by Oghran) so it would seem that the lyrium was corrupted by the huge backlash of magic when the orb was unlocked (since I feel that when Solas said "possibly", he actually knew that is what occurred). Then in Trespasser we learn it was Mythal who either killed/subdued the Titans (possibly sending the majority to sleep) before harvesting the lyrium. Later something is discovered by the elves in the Deep Roads that causes them to panic and shut off the area with rock falls and magic. I think we are going to find out that either harvesting the Titan had gradually corrupted it, turning the lyrium red, or possibly that was the location of Mythal's corpse and the magic used to kill her had corrupted the lyrium, or it had started to grow on her as red lyrium. Whatever the case, the dwarves assertion that they believed the Blight always came from the Deep Roads, not invading the city in the Fade, is probably true. Remember everything we were told in DAO was actually based off the teaching of either Andraste or the Chantry's later interpretation of it. However, the Dalish had a word for the place where the Blight originated, Banalhan (the Place of Nothing) and this is not the same as the Black City because they know it as the Eternal City of the Creators. This seems to fit with what we have subsequently been told. Corypheus also said that they didn't cause the darkness (taint) but discovered it. As for the spread of red lyrium on the surface, researchers in the Emprise du Lion informed us that it can grow on anything, even microscopic creatures in the soil, so that would account for its rapid growth once out in the open. We know that spirits separated by the Veil apparently behave differently from before the time when Solas created it. What if the same is true of the Titans? Maybe they, and the lyrium, behave differently by being separated by the Fade? It would be curious to see that explored, though I doubt it will happen. The Veil seems to have rendered the Titans into a dormant state. The one we meet in the Descent had been awakened by its close proximity to the Breach. It then became unsettled through not being able to contact its "children" the dwarves. (Solas calls Varric "Child of Stone" and of course the dwarves also regarded themselves as children of The Stone). The Veil (or Mythal at an earlier stage) seems to have done something to the dwarves as well so they no longer have the same connection, although they still feel it to a certain extent when they are in the Deep Roads and lose it when they go to the surface, becoming Stone Blind. Valta was affected by her contact with the titan so she is now connected and this soothed it, so if the Veil is removed there will probably need to be dwarves on hand to sooth the surviving titans or there are going to be a lot of disturbances throughout the Deep Roads and on the surface.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 30, 2018 19:06:30 GMT
Then in Trespasser we learn it was Mythal who either killed/subdued the Titans (possibly sending the majority to sleep) before harvesting the lyrium. We do? I just played Trespasser and don't have any recollection of it. Not saying it didn't happen but I seriously must not have been paying attention. Anyway, thanks for the update. Was this stuff in codecs or verbal and I just didn't notice?
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 30, 2018 19:22:09 GMT
Then in Trespasser we learn it was Mythal who either killed/subdued the Titans (possibly sending the majority to sleep) before harvesting the lyrium. We do? I just played Trespasser and don't have any recollection of it. Not saying it didn't happen but I seriously must not have been paying attention. Anyway, thanks for the update. Was this stuff in codecs or verbal and I just didn't notice? The Mythal vs. Titans info is a combination of some of the Qunari notes and a seriously hard-to-find mural, both in the Deep Roads. I’m not sure that she sent them to sleep, though, I think that’s just the Veil doing that. One of the titans kind of wakes up in Descent, and it’s because of the tears in the Veil.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 30, 2018 19:32:32 GMT
We do? I just played Trespasser and don't have any recollection of it. Not saying it didn't happen but I seriously must not have been paying attention. Anyway, thanks for the update. Was this stuff in codecs or verbal and I just didn't notice? The Mythal vs. Titans info is a combination of some of the Qunari notes and a seriously hard-to-find mural, both in the Deep Roads. I’m not sure that she sent them to sleep, though, I think that’s just the Veil doing that. One of the titans kind of wakes up in Descent, and it’s because of the tears in the Veil. The stuff from Descent I knew. That was dealt with when Valta becomes whatever she became. In any case, she calmed the Titan.
I confess I don't read the codecs. I'm usually in too much of a hurry to play.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 30, 2018 21:44:15 GMT
I confess I don't read the codecs. I'm usually in too much of a hurry to play. It is easy to miss that codex anyway as it is in a hidden area that you can only discover after you have done the next section in the Ancient Library and acquired an additional ability to the anchor. To be honest it is not obvious there is anything there still to be discovered and very little reason why you would bother going back to the Deep Roads, that you assume will now be flooded, when the urgency is in tracking down the Viddasala. (I always hate it when they do this.) There is also a reference about Mythal and the Titans in her Temple in What Pride Has Wrought, but again it is hidden and can only be revealed if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well of Sorrows. If you don't, then you never get the translation of the unreadable writing. So for your information the codices are: (This one was out in the open in her Temple) Elgar'nan, Wrath and Thunder, Give us glory. Give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities. Strike the usurpers with your lightning. Burn the ground under your gaze. Bring Winged Death against those who throw down our work. (This elven writing found in the Arbor Wilds is so old as to be incomprehensible.) There are whispers from the Well of Sorrows. It's impossible to understand the entire text, but certain parts suddenly reveal a shadow of their original meaning. "In this place we prepare to hunt the pillars of the earth. Their workers scurry, witless, soulless. This death will be a mercy. We will make the earth blossom with their passing." (Then in the Deep Roads in Trespasser) In the light of the veilfire, the runes seem to shift, coiling and uncoiling like snakes. A thunderous voice shatters the stillness, shouting: "Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!" For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire. (There is also an accompanying picture of a giant rocklike creature being attacked.)
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 30, 2018 23:27:45 GMT
I'm like 95% certain now that red lyrium and the Taint are a response triggered when the Evanuris fought the Titans the first time. Wounding or angering another one would just be doubling down. If this were true, why did red lyrium not show up until recently? We know it can spread fast. Maybe you're right, since Corypheus's use of an elven artifact may have caused the spread of red lyrium, but it's just as likely that a darkspawn is behind it? Maybe the Architect triggered it, leading to Varric's brother finding it and then Corypheus makes use of it. Darkspawn corruption makes more sense as it would take normal lyrium and alter it. Lyrium is something like the blood of Titans. It could be susceptible to a virus. It might be something like a fast cancer that spreads to other organisms, even to the point of causing it to transform them into itself. Obviously it doesn't work exactly like cancer but does mutate the genes of other organisms to turn them into red lyrium. This is illustrated by Fiona turning into red lyrium in the future where Corypheus takes over. Corypheus himself, also suffused with red lyrium, seems able to control its spread. He's also a darkspawn, which I see as a link. So, yes, Titans factor in, but I don't think a fight with the Evanuris is behind it. Do we know that red lyrium can spread fast? The first instance of it that we found was in an ancient thaig that predated even the first dwarves, and had gone untouched for who knows how long. That suggests to me that the red lyrium had been around for a very long time, and yet nobody had previously encountered it. We do not know that the Architect ever even went to the Free Marches, and there was no sign of red lyrium in any of his experiments during Awakening. Not to mention, the Idol they discovered was also ancient, and was made from red lyrium. It had been placed on an alter, away from any other lyrium growths, and had also not grown very much itself, so it seems unlikely that it could have been infected, or that it could have infected the other lyrium in the area. And it seems too coincidental that red lyrium would have only recently grown there, just as Hawke and friends were coming to explore the ruins. We do see in Inquisition that there is suddenly a lot more of it, but that's easily explained by Corypheus's presence. He has the power to manipulate the taint, and taint other living things (and lyrium qualifies). He could easily spread his own taint to existing sources of regular lyrium. We do see that it grows very fast when implanted inside Fiona, but I'd hazard a guess that that is a particular effect of its interaction with other living creatures, and not necessarily how it would behave when left alone. Anyway, regardless of the particular circumstances, I'm convinced that red lyrium and taint both originate from the Titans. What I'm not sure of is if Taint creates red lyrium, or if it's the other way around.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 31, 2018 0:59:24 GMT
If this were true, why did red lyrium not show up until recently? We know it can spread fast. Maybe you're right, since Corypheus's use of an elven artifact may have caused the spread of red lyrium, but it's just as likely that a darkspawn is behind it? Maybe the Architect triggered it, leading to Varric's brother finding it and then Corypheus makes use of it. Darkspawn corruption makes more sense as it would take normal lyrium and alter it. Lyrium is something like the blood of Titans. It could be susceptible to a virus. It might be something like a fast cancer that spreads to other organisms, even to the point of causing it to transform them into itself. Obviously it doesn't work exactly like cancer but does mutate the genes of other organisms to turn them into red lyrium. This is illustrated by Fiona turning into red lyrium in the future where Corypheus takes over. Corypheus himself, also suffused with red lyrium, seems able to control its spread. He's also a darkspawn, which I see as a link. So, yes, Titans factor in, but I don't think a fight with the Evanuris is behind it. Do we know that red lyrium can spread fast? The first instance of it that we found was in an ancient thaig that predated even the first dwarves, and had gone untouched for who knows how long. That suggests to me that the red lyrium had been around for a very long time, and yet nobody had previously encountered it. We do not know that the Architect ever even went to the Free Marches, and there was no sign of red lyrium in any of his experiments during Awakening. Not to mention, the Idol they discovered was also ancient, and was made from red lyrium. It had been placed on an alter, away from any other lyrium growths, and had also not grown very much itself, so it seems unlikely that it could have been infected, or that it could have infected the other lyrium in the area. And it seems too coincidental that red lyrium would have only recently grown there, just as Hawke and friends were coming to explore the ruins. We do see in Inquisition that there is suddenly a lot more of it, but that's easily explained by Corypheus's presence. He has the power to manipulate the taint, and taint other living things (and lyrium qualifies). He could easily spread his own taint to existing sources of regular lyrium. We do see that it grows very fast when implanted inside Fiona, but I'd hazard a guess that that is a particular effect of its interaction with other living creatures, and not necessarily how it would behave when left alone. Anyway, regardless of the particular circumstances, I'm convinced that red lyrium and taint both originate from the Titans. What I'm not sure of is if Taint creates red lyrium, or if it's the other way around. I’m still not sure if the blight is from elves, titans, or Something Else (insert spooky music), but supposing that it’s from the titans, where does the calling fit in? Is it a fundamental characteristic of the blight, or is it just traveling through the blight? i.e. I could imagine a situation where the blight is a titan defense mechanism, but the archdemons (who are likely at least elf-related, if not actual elven gods) are somehow transmitting through it. Or maybe the blight is from titans and they’re also controlling the calling for some purpose? I guess my other question is, if it’s only a titan defense mechanism, why does it make non-titans, including elves and dragons, so strong/immortal? Were the titans trying to bait more people into using it? IDK, seems like kind of a risky strategy to make mages ultra powerful when you’re fighting mage-kings.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 31, 2018 1:32:01 GMT
Do we know that red lyrium can spread fast? The first instance of it that we found was in an ancient thaig that predated even the first dwarves, and had gone untouched for who knows how long. That suggests to me that the red lyrium had been around for a very long time, and yet nobody had previously encountered it. We do not know that the Architect ever even went to the Free Marches, and there was no sign of red lyrium in any of his experiments during Awakening. Not to mention, the Idol they discovered was also ancient, and was made from red lyrium. It had been placed on an alter, away from any other lyrium growths, and had also not grown very much itself, so it seems unlikely that it could have been infected, or that it could have infected the other lyrium in the area. And it seems too coincidental that red lyrium would have only recently grown there, just as Hawke and friends were coming to explore the ruins. We do see in Inquisition that there is suddenly a lot more of it, but that's easily explained by Corypheus's presence. He has the power to manipulate the taint, and taint other living things (and lyrium qualifies). He could easily spread his own taint to existing sources of regular lyrium. We do see that it grows very fast when implanted inside Fiona, but I'd hazard a guess that that is a particular effect of its interaction with other living creatures, and not necessarily how it would behave when left alone. Anyway, regardless of the particular circumstances, I'm convinced that red lyrium and taint both originate from the Titans. What I'm not sure of is if Taint creates red lyrium, or if it's the other way around. I’m still not sure if the blight is from elves, titans, or Something Else (insert spooky music), but supposing that it’s from the titans, where does the calling fit in? Is it a fundamental characteristic of the blight, or is it just traveling through the blight? i.e. I could imagine a situation where the blight is a titan defense mechanism, but the archdemons (who are likely at least elf-related, if not actual elven gods) are somehow transmitting through it. Or maybe the blight is from titans and they’re also controlling the calling for some purpose? I guess my other question is, if it’s only a titan defense mechanism, why does it make non-titans, including elves and dragons, so strong/immortal? Were the titans trying to bait more people into using it? IDK, seems like kind of a risky strategy to make mages ultra powerful when you’re fighting mage-kings. I have no answer for that. When I think about it, the "calling" doesn't seem to be just one voice offering unified directions. If it were, why would Darkspawn, Archdemons, Wardens, Corypheus, Meredith, mages and templars all react to it DIFFERENTLY? Whatever it is, I suspect it originates from the source of the Blight, whatever that may be. My money is on a titan, or multiple titans, because we saw in Descent that they already possess the ability to communicate with dwarves in some manner that we don't fully understand. From what little we saw of the Titans, I don't think they possess human-like intelligence. I suspect they operate purely on instinct. I don't believe that the Blight ITSELF possesses any sort of sentience. The closest real world analogy I can think of for how it behaves is some sort of parasitical fungus. I think it is essentially an auto-immune response of a titan/the very planet itself, or at least the continent of Thedas. Basically its function is to spread indiscriminately, wiping out/mutating the threat/infection (ie, all other living things), but beings with sufficient power and will can resist/control it to a degree (including using it to communicate, the way Corypheus and Archdemons do). White blood cells don't UNDERSTAND where a threat comes from, they automatically attack anything they perceive as harmful, and sometimes they are wrong. Or maybe they aren't, who knows?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Dec 31, 2018 2:05:59 GMT
Do we know that red lyrium can spread fast? The first instance of it that we found was in an ancient thaig that predated even the first dwarves, and had gone untouched for who knows how long. That suggests to me that the red lyrium had been around for a very long time, and yet nobody had previously encountered it. We do not know that the Architect ever even went to the Free Marches, and there was no sign of red lyrium in any of his experiments during Awakening. Not to mention, the Idol they discovered was also ancient, and was made from red lyrium. It had been placed on an alter, away from any other lyrium growths, and had also not grown very much itself, so it seems unlikely that it could have been infected, or that it could have infected the other lyrium in the area. And it seems too coincidental that red lyrium would have only recently grown there, just as Hawke and friends were coming to explore the ruins. We do see in Inquisition that there is suddenly a lot more of it, but that's easily explained by Corypheus's presence. He has the power to manipulate the taint, and taint other living things (and lyrium qualifies). He could easily spread his own taint to existing sources of regular lyrium. We do see that it grows very fast when implanted inside Fiona, but I'd hazard a guess that that is a particular effect of its interaction with other living creatures, and not necessarily how it would behave when left alone. Anyway, regardless of the particular circumstances, I'm convinced that red lyrium and taint both originate from the Titans. What I'm not sure of is if Taint creates red lyrium, or if it's the other way around. Yeeees? There's suggestions that the Red Templars are purposefully seeding it on the landscape. Corypheus purposefully wanted Sarnia Quarry in Emprise du Lion because he though the rock there would allow the red lyrium to grow even faster. If some places lend themselves to growing red lyrium more quickly, as Corypheus believes, then it's also possible that other places slow its growth. Perhaps the Primeval Thaig was one such place.
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Dec 31, 2018 2:25:33 GMT
Post by dmc1001 on Dec 31, 2018 2:25:33 GMT
I’m still not sure if the blight is from elves, titans, or Something Else (insert spooky music), but supposing that it’s from the titans, where does the calling fit in? Is it a fundamental characteristic of the blight, or is it just traveling through the blight? I thought the Blight was a result of the ancient magisters entering the Golden City. At least, that's what the Chantry believed and certainly what Dorian believes. Corypheus is also considered to be a darkspawn, which seems to prove the theory to be true. Of course, Corypheus never commented on it himself so we may never know. Okay, so Titans and the Calling. Let's theorize a little. In the Joining, the Grey Warden ingests blood from darkspawn and an Archdemon, plus lyrium. If we imagine (as I have before) that red lyrium is maybe blight-tainted lyrium, then we have all the ingredients necessary to have this begin to grow inside the Warden. When the red lyrium has grown enough inside the Warden, a sort of "calling" happens that makes the lyrium want to return to its source. That's the Deep Roads and exactly where Wardens getting the Calling go. As I said, total on-the-spot theorizing, but maybe some kernel of truth is in there.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 31, 2018 2:31:19 GMT
I’m still not sure if the blight is from elves, titans, or Something Else (insert spooky music), but supposing that it’s from the titans, where does the calling fit in? Is it a fundamental characteristic of the blight, or is it just traveling through the blight? I thought the Blight was a result of the ancient magisters entering the Golden City. At least, that's what the Chantry believed and certainly what Dorian believes. Corypheus is also considered to be a darkspawn, which seems to prove the theory to be true. Of course, Corypheus never commented on it himself so we may never know. Okay, so Titans and the Calling. Let's theorize a little. In the Joining, the Grey Warden ingests blood from darkspawn and an Archdemon, plus lyrium. If we imagine (as I have before) that red lyrium is maybe blight-tainted lyrium, then we have all the ingredients necessary to have this begin to grow inside the Warden. When the red lyrium has grown enough inside the Warden, a sort of "calling" happens that makes the lyrium want to return to its source. That's the Deep Roads and exactly where Wardens getting the Calling go. As I said, total on-the-spot theorizing, but maybe some kernel of truth is in there. Just throwing in, Darkspawn almost definitely existed prior to the breach of the Golden City, because Corypheus knows of them in the Legacy DLC, but does NOT know about the Blights (or he would know Dumat is dead). Elven folklore also mentions that Andruil, the goddess of the hunt, forged armor made from "Void" that drove her insane, and was cleansed by Mythal after a fierce battle.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 31, 2018 2:36:25 GMT
I’m still not sure if the blight is from elves, titans, or Something Else (insert spooky music), but supposing that it’s from the titans, where does the calling fit in? Is it a fundamental characteristic of the blight, or is it just traveling through the blight? I thought the Blight was a result of the ancient magisters entering the Golden City. At least, that's what the Chantry believed and certainly what Dorian believes. Corypheus is also considered to be a darkspawn, which seems to prove the theory to be true. Of course, Corypheus never commented on it himself so we may never know. In Legacy, Corypheus seemed pretty convinced that the city was empty and already blighted. He’s one of the more unreliable narrators for sure, but it definitely sounded like that was the main thing that drove him insane — much more so than the other darkspawn magisters. He saw that heaven was empty and blighted, and he couldn’t accept it. That’s why he acts super weird when he’s about to die. After a whole campaign of trying to become a god, he cries out to Dumat. He didn’t want to be a god, he wanted there to be a god.
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Dec 31, 2018 2:40:27 GMT
Post by ladyiolanthe on Dec 31, 2018 2:40:27 GMT
I thought the Blight was a result of the ancient magisters entering the Golden City. At least, that's what the Chantry believed and certainly what Dorian believes. Corypheus is also considered to be a darkspawn, which seems to prove the theory to be true. Of course, Corypheus never commented on it himself so we may never know. Okay, so Titans and the Calling. Let's theorize a little. In the Joining, the Grey Warden ingests blood from darkspawn and an Archdemon, plus lyrium. If we imagine (as I have before) that red lyrium is maybe blight-tainted lyrium, then we have all the ingredients necessary to have this begin to grow inside the Warden. When the red lyrium has grown enough inside the Warden, a sort of "calling" happens that makes the lyrium want to return to its source. That's the Deep Roads and exactly where Wardens getting the Calling go. As I said, total on-the-spot theorizing, but maybe some kernel of truth is in there. The Chantry, Dorian, and other Andrastians also believed the Maker made the Veil. Myths are great ways to describe how things happened when you don't actually know, but they're not necessarily true.
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Post by phoray on Dec 31, 2018 2:40:41 GMT
After a whole campaign of trying to become a god, he cries out to Dumat. He didn’t want to be a god, he wanted there to be a god. Whoa. That is some deep shit. If he wasn't so 2 dimensional, I'd almost believe there was a character under there.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 31, 2018 2:42:05 GMT
A whole life of playing JRPGs has taught me that the dominant religion of any fantasy world is always either mistaken or outright evil. In Dragon Age, just like IRL, the Chantry manages to be both at once.
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Dec 31, 2018 3:06:03 GMT
Post by dmc1001 on Dec 31, 2018 3:06:03 GMT
In Legacy, Corypheus seemed pretty convinced that the city was empty and already blighted. He’s one of the more unreliable narrators for sure, but it definitely sounded like that was the main thing that drove him insane — much more so than the other darkspawn magisters. He saw that heaven was empty and blighted, and he couldn’t accept it. The idea was that the very presence of the Magisters in the Golden City corrupted it. Instantly, apparently. Alternately, the Maker was too busy forging his dwarven identity.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 31, 2018 3:44:32 GMT
Guys, we're forgetting to ask the most important questions.
Do Titans fuck? And can we fuck them?
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 31, 2018 3:57:24 GMT
Guys, we're forgetting to ask the most important questions. Do Titans fuck? And can we fuck them? Here lies the abyss, the well of all souls. From these emerald waters doth life begin anew. Come to me, child, and I shall embrace you. In my arms lies Eternity.
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Dec 31, 2018 6:25:10 GMT
Post by dmc1001 on Dec 31, 2018 6:25:10 GMT
Guys, we're forgetting to ask the most important questions. Do Titans fuck? And can we fuck them? Well, they do kind of, um, "shoot" inside of people. Templars and mages come to mind.
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Dec 31, 2018 10:38:29 GMT
Post by gervaise21 on Dec 31, 2018 10:38:29 GMT
The idea was that the very presence of the Magisters in the Golden City corrupted it. Instantly, apparently. Alternately, the Maker was too busy forging his dwarven identity.
This is where you have to get your head around the way the writers present material. This story given at the beginning of DAO is history according to the Chantry and nothing more. The majority of people believe this because the majority of people are humans and followers of the Chantry. However, even back in DAO we are told that the dwarves do not accept the Chantry's version of events.
In Legacy doubt is first cast on the Chantry's version when almost the first thing that Corypheus says on being freed is complain to Dumat "You offered the power of the gods themselves,” and then "It was meant to be Golden" suggesting that when he got there it was already Black. This is confirmed in the Temple of Dumat in DAI when one of his memories states that: "We are vilified by legend. They spit on our deeds and claim we brought darkness into the world. We discovered the darkness. We claimed it as our own, let it permeate our being."
So it is clear that he did hear a voice whispering that seem to encourage him to enter the Golden/Black city to acquire the power of the gods (as the Canticle of Silence says - only acknowledged in Tevinter as part of the Chant) but that it clearly seemed to have been some sort of trick because he found the place empty and corrupted. Actually when you think about it, the Blight does confer a sort of power that can seem god-like, so maybe "Dumat" wasn't lying, just omitted certain information. Blight magic does not derive its power from the Fade and it seems likely that instead it comes from the Void. Since the Forgotten Ones are said to inhabit the Void and are regarded as gods at least by the Dalish, thus it would seem that if Dumat was working for his own ends, he is a Forgotten One.
I thought the Blight was a result of the ancient magisters entering the Golden City. At least, that's what the Chantry believed and certainly what Dorian believesActually initially he doesn't. He says that up in Tevinter they deny they had any culpability in creating the Blight. I always found this surprising considering the Canticle of Silence originated with Hessarian but Dorian also says that he isn't particularly religious and only has a token belief in the Maker because it is reassuring to know that everything isn't just random chaos. Of course Hessarian wrote the Canticle to make just the Magisters Sidereal responsible and the Archon and the majority of Tevinter innocent of the crime, so the Altus subsequently denying Tevinter was responsible is true to a certain extent. We also learn from the memory of his servant that Corypheus seemed to feel forced into taking the action because of the loss of followers and to bring the people back to the worship of the Old Gods. This was something I found odd because it was the first time we had had a hint that the worship of the Old Gods was on the wane before the 1st Blight. However, if that was true, then it would be another reason that the Altus felt that Tevinter as a whole was not accountable for the Blight but only a few members of a corrupt priesthood.
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