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Post by fylimar on Jan 9, 2019 18:30:39 GMT
I could never leave any of my Hawkes in the Fade, so Alistair, Stroud or Loghain are left behind. I care more about the characters, I played myself than most npcs. On the other hand, if it was a decision between Hawke and Varric, it would be hard
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 9, 2019 19:06:41 GMT
I don't care about practical reasons. I just can't kill anyone I romance. Since as Hawke I can't romance myself, it's obvious who kicks the bucket. Though, so far I had options between Loghain and Stroud vs Hawke and each time I sacrificed different for interest. Didn't load Alistair warden template yet. Yeah that's usually the way I roll as well if Alistair's in a romance with my warden usually Hawke gets it. Most of the time though the warden is Stroud in my playthroughs as Loghain is dead and Alistair is King of Ferelden
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 9, 2019 20:21:01 GMT
The one time I left Hawke in the fade was because Hawke was male. I tried playing male Hawke in DA2, but didn't get far because I wasn't a fan of the voice. I deleted that character to start a female Hawke playthrough. So, if it was me, I would leave Hawke in the fade if male, if not, leave Alistair. Uh...in such a case I'd rather discontinue that Hawke's story. Why would you even "import" him into DAI if you didn't complete his story in DA2?
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 9, 2019 20:28:40 GMT
I'll be honest: I have a preference for saving Hawke simply because Alistair has never been a character I played. Also, fate has dealt harshly with Hawke, and I feel they deserve something more than to die in the Fade fighting the invincible personification of all nightmares. Having said that, barring certain value preferences I tend to make "personal canon" decisions only after I know the whole story, and so if it turns out Hawke gets the better deal if you leave them in the Fade with little philosophical cost anywhere else, then I will replay my preferred worldstate and make a different decision - and I mean actually replay, not just set things differently in the Keep. My preferred world-state has to be something I played through from start to end. This decision is actually for a recorded YouTube playthrough. The decisions made in DAO and DA2 that I entered into the Keep are the decisions made in my YouTube playthroughs of those games. So I feel like this decision weighs more heavily on me than if it were just another playthrough, taking a different path for fun. I'm just at choosing Mages or Templars, so the point of no return is still a ways away. Right now inclining towards leaving Hawke - not because of consideration for Alistair, but because I think Hawke would feel, after the events of Legacy, that it would be his duty to remain. Yes, Hawke would be like that, but you decide, and it isn't as if Alistair is reluctant. I guess if Hawke stays in the Fade and dies there, it would make a classic tragic story of Hawke's, and normally I'd not be against that. But I am extremely reluctant in this case. Not sure why, maybe blame Trespasser, the ending of which I hate almost as much as ME3's. Well...no, now that I think of it, not nearly, but it's still telling that these two pop up in my mind together.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 9, 2019 20:37:26 GMT
The one time I left Hawke in the fade was because Hawke was male. I tried playing male Hawke in DA2, but didn't get far because I wasn't a fan of the voice. I deleted that character to start a female Hawke playthrough. So, if it was me, I would leave Hawke in the fade if male, if not, leave Alistair. Uh...in such a case I'd rather discontinue that Hawke's story. Why would you even "import" him into DAI if you didn't complete his story in DA2?
In Dragons keep, the world state I created, I had Loghain survive DAO. I wanted to have him survive DAI. So I chose male Hawke in the world state I created.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 15:52:31 GMT
Yeah that's usually the way I roll as well if Alistair's in a romance with my warden usually Hawke gets it. Most of the time though the warden is Stroud in my playthroughs as Loghain is dead and Alistair is King of Ferelden I once kept Loghain alive (when made Hardened Ali + Anora rule) to sacrifice him to Nightmare. Poor Loghain, I actually belong to a group who does not dislike him, but if I ever choose him it's always to feed to AD or a giant spider. Sorry Loghain, nothing personal, I just like others more.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 10, 2019 16:16:13 GMT
Yeah that's usually the way I roll as well if Alistair's in a romance with my warden usually Hawke gets it. Most of the time though the warden is Stroud in my playthroughs as Loghain is dead and Alistair is King of Ferelden I once kept Loghain alive (when made Hardened Ali + Anora rule) to sacrifice him to Nightmare. Poor Loghain, I actually belong to a group who does not dislike him, but if I ever choose him it's always to feed to AD or a giant spider. Sorry Loghain, nothing personal, I just like others more. Yeah I think I spared him once justto see what happened and maybe I will again in a futuer playthrough but tbh I prefer Alistair and I find his skill set moer useful as well especially when facing things like the Emissaries given his templar background as it gives you at least an extra anti magic buff which is quite useful given how much damage the emissaries can do. As magic is quite powerful and does a lot of damage in DAO when used right.
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Post by House Targaryen on Jan 12, 2019 19:20:17 GMT
I don't have a personal connection with Hawke since I never played DA2, so we have that. Alistair was an annoying weak ass little whiner in DAO, so I would give him the boot.
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Post by melbella on Jan 13, 2019 17:36:12 GMT
Any Hawke that didn't romance Fenris will perish before Alistair. IF they romanced Fenris, Alistair would die.
This. If Hawke romanced Fenris, the warden stays behind. I think I've left everyone behind at least once.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 13, 2019 21:56:15 GMT
Any Hawke that didn't romance Fenris will perish before Alistair. IF they romanced Fenris, Alistair would die.
This. If Hawke romanced Fenris, the warden stays behind. I think I've left everyone behind at least once.
As have I although in the majority of the playthrough's I've done Stroud is the warden so he pretty much finds his ass being thrown to the wolves. Not because I dislike him but because I don't really have much of an emotional connection to him.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 13, 2019 22:19:10 GMT
I hated my Hawke and my Warden romanced Alistair, so I left Hawke in the Fade. I have no regrets, but understand this doesn't apply to others' playthroughs. I'm pretty sure the one left behind is going to return anyway.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 14, 2019 3:57:02 GMT
I would love to leave Alistair but he was already dead.....
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Post by pensieve on Jan 14, 2019 9:01:20 GMT
I didn't like DA2 so I usually leave Hawke in the Fade.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 16, 2019 2:41:55 GMT
That God this never came to me during my playthroughs.
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Post by abedsbrother on Jan 16, 2019 19:17:35 GMT
Thanks for the replies, folks! Recording this segment today, and I will be leaving Hawke to battle the Nightmare. I'll just have to do my best to comfort Varric EDIT: Here's the video for those interested.
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Post by mikoto on Jan 26, 2019 22:21:35 GMT
I could never sacrifice a character I played as, plus I really liked my Hawke(s).
So I would sacrifice Alistair... if he were a Grey Warden in my worldstates. But he's not. In my worldstates Alistair is King of Ferelden with his wife Anora so therefore my choice is between Hawke and Stroud.
I always saw Alistair as a whiny manchild and tried not to have him in my party when I played DAO. My decision to have him marry Anora is entirely practicality on my Warden's part. She thinks that having them marry produces the strongest case politically against Loghain, but also sets a solid future for Ferelden with Anora's skill at politics and Alistair's likability. I know I didn't like Alistair much, but I'm aware many others adore him. I'm in the minority. On top of that I didn't want to sacrifice Alistair or my Warden to the Archdemon, nor did I trust Morrigan and her dark ritual so the only logical choice for me was to recruit Loghain as Archdemon food.
As for Stroud, I care about him even less. We encounter him briefly in DA2 and know him for only a short time in DAI before the choice has to be made. My Inquisitor doesn't want to have Hawke sacrifice herself for the Wardens' mistakes so she picks Stroud.
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Post by Iddy on Jan 29, 2019 3:56:29 GMT
There are two party banters where Varric says that a good story ends with the hero's death, so I think it would be very fitting to choose Hawke here.
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 29, 2019 14:15:15 GMT
I'm pretty sure the one left behind is going to return anyway. I wouldn't go that far but I would not be surprised if that happened.
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Post by Cybear on Jan 30, 2019 2:34:18 GMT
In this scenario (which is my canon scenario) I always leave Hawke in the Fade. Partly because Origins and its companions will always have an important place in my heart (compared to 2 & Inquisition), but also because to me it feels like a fitting end for Hawke. They've been through a lot, watched a lot of people die and were powerless to stop it, so now they have the opportunity to save people by sacrificing themselves. Also considering Hawke's story follows a rather generic Greek tragedy death seems like a reasonable, if not expected, conclusion.
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Post by kenshen19 on Jan 31, 2019 17:32:15 GMT
I have only ever had Stroud in the fade and I find it very easy to leave him behind. I didn't even know Alistair was a possiblity until now.
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Post by abedsbrother on Jan 31, 2019 18:28:33 GMT
I have only ever had Stroud in the fade and I find it very easy to leave him behind. I didn't even know Alistair was a possiblity until now. Loghain is an option as well (depends on choices you made in Dragon Age Origins).
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 2, 2019 4:33:09 GMT
it's a tough one, at least for someone like me who like alistair. that dilema happened in my seocond playtrough, but i guess for me that was easy. julia (my second hawke) is the type of person who would jump in without waiting the inquisitor to decide, so in my head it wasn't a decision made by my inquisitor but by my hawke. first playthrough it was stroud and hawke and it still took 10 minutes of me staring at the screen (thank god it wasn't alistair or loghain* the first time, cause it likely would have taken me more than 10 minutes). at the end i chose stroud because my inquisitor couldn't do it to varric by choosing hawke. so i guess my advice is, leave the decision to your own character. Yeah I think that goes for how I generally play the games I tend to let my characters make the choices based on their personalities. For example my warden and Alistair were in love but because they chose not to do Morrigan's Dark ritual mainly because they didn't trust her they knew one of them was going to die. My warden didn't like it but in the end allowed Alistair to sacrifice himself for the sake of Ferelden.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 8, 2019 3:46:31 GMT
"Fenris: You are too willing to involve yourself in the affairs of others, Hawke.
Fenris: Each time you put yourself at risk. One day you will not be so lucky."
"Varric: I'm working on an epic poem about a hopelessly romantic apostate waging an epic struggle against forces he can't possibly defeat.
Anders: What do you mean, can't possibly defeat?
Varric: Well, it's not a good story unless the hero dies. "
"Cassandra: Varric, how could you let the Knight-Captain be framed for murder?
Varric: Well, I did spent three entire chapters setting it up.
Cassandra: But she didn't deserve it! You'd already put her through more than enough!
Varric: Look, Seeker, if you love a character, you give them pain, ruin their lives, make them suffer. Maybe even throw in a heroic death."
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 18, 2019 2:44:03 GMT
I usually sacrifice Hawke to save Loghain. Hawke's relevance has passed by then. Loghain's never does. And for me, Alistair has been stuck drinking in the Free Marches since 2012. Only exception was during my very first play-through when I'd used Inquisition's excellent character creator to make Hawke look exactly like my girlfriend after showing her I could do Pete Postlethwhaite. Once the choice of who to sacrifice came up, I said something about liking Loghain a lot and got the dirtiest look you could ever imagine. I still feel guilty about leaving him to die just to avoid trouble in paradise.
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Post by Sonya on Dec 9, 2019 14:37:11 GMT
Alistair. But actually any GW. In DA2 Hawke was unlucky to be in the middle of that shit in the city, solved many problemes, lost family and now leave Hawke in the fade because of what? I see no point and benifit in that + Hawke suffered enough already and all my Hawkes help Varric to rule the city. As for GWs: there are other GWs in GW HQ so they can rebuild or whatever they are going to do (didn't understand from slides). As for character-connection (I like Alistair, Loghain etc): even if that did matter for me, I have no real connection to any of them to think whom to leave in the fade. I know many people like Alistair thus can't decide. As for me I like Alistair but at the same time in all 3 games he turned for me into a f'cking hypocrite (according to his dialogues) so in this case I could very easy leave him in the fade. But as I wote I see no point leaving Hawke in the Fade and no benifit. Leave GW in the Fade then yell at other GWs (at least some satisfaction). Anyway HQ had other GW and Alistair is not so important to GWs (or Loghain etc) to the story to leave him in our world.
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