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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 14, 2019 18:11:05 GMT
Seeding the Catalyst earlier, even something gleaned from the Collector Base in ME2, would have been ideal, even if no one understood what it meant. That at least gave six months worth of study by the time ME3 rolled around. I wouldn't have chosen any ending other than Destroy, but even if I did I think the requirements for dead Shepard in the others made no sense. You could easily take genetic material from Shepard without killing him to make the green Fairy Land. Or uploaded an imprint of Shepard to a Reaper while keeping the original intact.
I can explain why Shepard needed to die in those endings. The Reapers harvest advanced organics. With harvesting, the DNA is used in the process of Reaper reproduction. So Shepard's whole body needed to be used. Much like all those colonists whole bodies were used in the reproduction of the human Reaper in ME2.
The green eyes are similar to those in the Overlord DLC. Anything under the control of that AI had green eyes. Anything that was not under its control had regular eyes.
The Catalyst/Crucible had given plenty of time. No one actually believed the Reapers were a threat, and there was a lot of people who would go about their daily lives even though these things were coming to harvest us. So the resources weren't going to try to find a way to stop the Reapers, they were going to carry out our daily lives. Just look at the Council. I'm gonna go out on a meta-limb here and suggest that Shepard needed to die in those endings simply to make the decisions Difficult™. You mean to tell me that a tissue sample is insufficient as a base for this Magical Transformation sequence? Ridiculous.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 14, 2019 18:13:28 GMT
They also have processor ships which collect organics and render them down into paste to make more Reapers. It's all there in the codex.
Shepard is the seed from which all the stuff comes from. Then they use the Reaper beam, the Crucible, and the relays to spread that seed, throughout the galaxy and change everyone's DNA to be part-Reaper. There was something in the Final Hours about this.
If you look at Synthesis, and you listen to what EDI says, you can tell she is not her usual self in that new ending they made. Pretty obvious the Reapers have done something to her, such as changing her personality and ideals (indoctrination).
Yes, heaven forbid a person's personality changes by themselves. There's no such thing as a person evolving, especially a character whose arc in the entire game was that. It must be mind control. Yep. Picking the green stops evolution. Go with the red. Evolution is a great thing.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 14, 2019 18:17:23 GMT
Yes, heaven forbid a person's personality changes by themselves. There's no such thing as a person evolving, especially a character whose arc in the entire game was that. It must be mind control. Yep. Picking the green stops evolution. Go with the red. Evolution is a great thing. On the contrary, green puts us on the next step of evolution.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 14, 2019 18:21:57 GMT
Yep. Picking the green stops evolution. Go with the red. Evolution is a great thing. On the contrary, green puts us on the next step of evolution. Except for Wreav. Green or no, that hardline bastard is probably still gunning for salarians and turians.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 14, 2019 19:28:07 GMT
Yep. Picking the green stops evolution. Go with the red. Evolution is a great thing. On the contrary, green puts us on the next step of evolution. Yet the thing says green is the final evolution of all life
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 14, 2019 20:16:22 GMT
"Final evolution of all life" is a terrible line to use, because it simply means death. Nothing *stops* evolving. Everything just dies.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 14, 2019 21:39:25 GMT
Well, I can see a case for natural evolution being over in Synthesis. Maybe everything will happen by design in the future, rather than by chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 0:10:34 GMT
I'm gonna go out on a meta-limb here and suggest that Shepard needed to die in those endings simply to make the decisions Difficult™. You mean to tell me that a tissue sample is insufficient as a base for this Magical Transformation sequence? Ridiculous. Did it take a tissue sample from those colonists to construct the human Reaper? I don't think so. People had to die and have their entire body converted into paste in order to build the human Reaper.
Had nothing to do with making things difficult.
No it's not. The Reapers consider themselves the pinnacle of evolution. Same thing.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 15, 2019 12:32:13 GMT
I'm gonna go out on a meta-limb here and suggest that Shepard needed to die in those endings simply to make the decisions Difficult™. You mean to tell me that a tissue sample is insufficient as a base for this Magical Transformation sequence? Ridiculous. Did it take a tissue sample from those colonists to construct the human Reaper? I don't think so. People had to die and have their entire body converted into paste in order to build the human Reaper.
Had nothing to do with making things difficult.
No it's not. The Reapers consider themselves the pinnacle of evolution. Same thing.
The difference being that the colonists are being used as actual building material, like having bodies processed down into bricks to build a house. That's not what happens in Synthesis. Shepard's body is a mote of dust against the whole of the galaxy anyway. No explanation is actually given as to why Shepard needs to fling himself into the beam to get this to work. The necessity to just get tossed into the beam is designed to fulfill the Heroic Sacrifice that the narrative apparently requires to get this outcome. It doesn't matter what the reapers consider themselves. "Pinnacle of evolution" is nonsensical, and the writers failed to make the idea convincing.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 15, 2019 18:24:43 GMT
But using the colonists as building material doesn't make sense anyway. At some point you just have to either accept the rank mysticism or reject the series outright.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:11:06 GMT
I think you just don't like the writers explanation. That's why you think it doesn't make sense to you.
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Post by griffith82 on Feb 16, 2019 1:59:39 GMT
So all these games were bad idea's huh... Baldur's Gate Enhanced Halo Master Chief Collection Borderlands the Handsome Collection Uncharted The Nathan Drake Collection StarCraft Half the Final Fantasies Dark Souls 1&2 Wolfenstein Both Metro Games Star Ocean the Last Hope Bio Shock 1&2 Divinity Original Sin Enhanced Edition Shadow of the Colossus Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess Soulcalibur 2 Okami HD The Last of US These are all games that I own and I'm sure that there are many more. I personally loved replaying all of them in HD. Edit: Almost forgot... Assassins Creed The Ezio Collection Darksiders 1&2 Dishonored Gears of War Rise of the Tomb Raider Tales of Vesperia And my most recent purchase... Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate for the Switch *Caugh"* the mcc most definitely was a bad idea. Overall though remasters aren't high risk projects, upping the visuals is easy money and typically that's how most remasters work out. Remakes is where you start adding some risks as you toy with things that will upset people. I'd say those are 50/50 projects. I'll be curious to see how FF7 remake works out whenever it launches. Overall though remasters don't do much if any harm. It doesn't take a full studio to put them out, they're easy money and it's good fan service. In my experience, most work out just fine👍 I enjoy the MCC. Yes it had issues but most are fixed and they are constantly updating. But on topic I dont think this is the way forward. Andromeda is.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 17, 2019 21:08:02 GMT
I think you just don't like the writers explanation. That's why you think it doesn't make sense to you. What explanation?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 2:41:45 GMT
How the writers wrote the story. They already explained how the choices work in the EC.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 18, 2019 7:33:29 GMT
Huh? How the choices work is clear. The problem is that they work by space magic, not that how they work wasn't explained.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 18, 2019 18:08:40 GMT
Huh? How the choices work is clear. The problem is that they work by space magic, not that how they work wasn't explained. Only Synthesis is Space Magic. Destroy did have issues with how it worked in that it wasn't uniform in destroying Reaper Tech. The Citadel and all relays should have been destroyed regardless of EMS. I would think high EMS would have worked to have more resources present (ships, technology, etc) that allowed more people to survive. Under low EMS organics should not have been wiped out since they had no Reaper Tech. In that sense it's "magic" but minimal. It could be interesting if we learned people who are indoctrinated slowly had Reaper Tech woven into them. They might be killed for that reason. Control also isn't magic, at least no more so than the Catalyst itself.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 18, 2019 20:45:37 GMT
Huh? How the choices work is clear. The problem is that they work by space magic, not that how they work wasn't explained. Only Synthesis is Space Magic. Destroy did have issues with how it worked in that it wasn't uniform in destroying Reaper Tech. The Citadel and all relays should have been destroyed regardless of EMS. I would think high EMS would have worked to have more resources present (ships, technology, etc) that allowed more people to survive. Under low EMS organics should not have been wiped out since they had no Reaper Tech. In that sense it's "magic" but minimal. It could be interesting if we learned people who are indoctrinated slowly had Reaper Tech woven into them. They might be killed for that reason. Control also isn't magic, at least no more so than the Catalyst itself. Hmm I think the least space magic was control, destroy if it just destroyed reaper tech depending on what they meant by reaper tech is maybe somewhat not space magic like. Synthesis, how reapers made all pure over the top space magic.
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Post by griffith82 on Feb 18, 2019 20:53:57 GMT
Yeah, but the Reapers needed a lot more than one body. They needed a planet full of a race, if not. One little Shepard wasn't enough. As for the green...you just made a case for Synthesis being mind control. Also, a loophole out of that ending. They also have processor ships which collect organics and render them down into paste to make more Reapers. It's all there in the codex.
Shepard is the seed from which all the stuff comes from. Then they use the Reaper beam, the Crucible, and the relays to spread that seed, throughout the galaxy and change everyone's DNA to be part-Reaper. There was something in the Final Hours about this.
If you look at Synthesis, and you listen to what EDI says, you can tell she is not her usual self in that new ending they made. Pretty obvious the Reapers have done something to her, such as changing her personality and ideals (indoctrination).
No it's not. She evolved through the whole game if you let her. That's the final step.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 21:05:21 GMT
Before she said that the Reapers were repulsive. Now it seems she is grateful the Reapers are helping the galaxy rebuild. Then there's the "reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine" line, which harps on the "pinnacle of evolution" the Reapers have been saying. Something's not quite right.
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Post by griffith82 on Feb 18, 2019 21:06:59 GMT
Before she said that the Reapers were repulsive. Now it seems she is grateful the Reapers are helping the galaxy rebuild. Something's not quite right. The situation changed. The Reapers are now connected to everyone.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 18, 2019 23:33:26 GMT
Before she said that the Reapers were repulsive. Now it seems she is grateful the Reapers are helping the galaxy rebuild. Something's not quite right. The situation changed. The Reapers are now connected to everyone. Sounds like indoctrination to me. j/k
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 18, 2019 23:36:05 GMT
Hmm I think the least space magic was control, destroy if it just destroyed reaper tech depending on what they meant by reaper tech is maybe somewhat not space magic like. Synthesis, how reapers made all pure over the top space magic. Destroy should have taken out the Citadel and the relays under any circumstances. Obviously geth and EDI are also destroyed, unless there was yet again another rogue faction of the geth who believed the consensus was superior to individuality (which would kind of be interesting to see in a game). Control is the least magic but also the absolute creepiest. Synthesis is the one that only works if it's some fairy tale that grandfather told to his grandson. Of course, the kids gonna be like "ain't no green shit running through my veins".
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 18, 2019 23:36:50 GMT
The situation changed. The Reapers are now connected to everyone. Sounds like indoctrination to me. j/k Why would you be kidding? It absolutely sounds like indoctrination.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 18, 2019 23:38:43 GMT
Before she said that the Reapers were repulsive. Now it seems she is grateful the Reapers are helping the galaxy rebuild. Then there's the "reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine" line, which harps on the "pinnacle of evolution" the Reapers have been saying. Something's not quite right. Of course, EDI falls in line with the people who think the Reapers are completely forgiven for massacring a number of organics for which we can't come up with a number. And, no, killing in self-defense and the defense of trillions of others does not constitute a war crime. It constitutes heroism.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 18, 2019 23:41:56 GMT
Hmm I think the least space magic was control, destroy if it just destroyed reaper tech depending on what they meant by reaper tech is maybe somewhat not space magic like. Synthesis, how reapers made all pure over the top space magic. Destroy should have taken out the Citadel and the relays under any circumstances. Obviously geth and EDI are also destroyed, unless there was yet again another rogue faction of the geth who believed the consensus was superior to individuality (which would kind of be interesting to see in a game). Control is the least magic but also the absolute creepiest. Synthesis is the one that only works if it's some fairy tale that grandfather told to his grandson. Of course, the kids gonna be like "ain't no green shit running through my veins". I'm not sure, the destroy ending seemed to be targeting synthetics not just reaper tech, so maybe all of the keepers would die but was the citadel itself primarily synthetic? I agree control is creepy as hell. And synthesis is fairy tale crap.
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