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Post by Artemis on Jan 6, 2019 1:56:03 GMT
Um... I still don't understand the Harding love?  None of that really explains it... I'm assuming people like her for her looks and maybe her voice... she doesn't have much personality. Not her fault; she isn't given much room for one. She basically just shows up at the beginning of every map and is just like, "Hey, Inquisitor... here's some info... bye" lmao Harding was adorable and she's a workable character. Kinda like Dagna. I liked that she had the guts and ferocity to scout unopened areas. There wasn't enough done with Charter for me to have gained any interest in her character. I agree about Charter, but it's like she's so open that I feel there's room to grow and make her interesting. I think the immense Harding love probably just put me off her. |
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Post by grallon on Jan 6, 2019 1:59:11 GMT
"...she doesn't have much personality. Not her fault; she isn't given much room for one. She basically just shows up at the beginning of every map..."
Come on! She is indeed cute with that voice and that easy smile freckled face. Essentially she's your typical 'smart girl-next-door' type, which appeals to a great many people. That is why she's liked so much. But more than that, she always demonstrated a keen sense of humor, throughout all those short clips at each zone's intro, which denotes an agile mind, hence why she rose so high and ended up where she did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 2:04:47 GMT
Harding was adorable and she's a workable character. Kinda like Dagna. I liked that she had the guts and ferocity to scout unopened areas. There wasn't enough done with Charter for me to have gained any interest in her character. I agree about Charter, but it's like she's so open that I feel there's room to grow and make her interesting. I think the immense Harding love probably just put me off her. I liked Harding the first time I saw her when she opened the Frostbacks. That smirk she gave when she took out the mage and Templar was great, and she had freckles, which was also cute. Then I looked forward to seeing each of her little debriefings everytime an area was opened. Her voice was perfect for her character too, very well performed, like Dagna. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 6, 2019 2:30:17 GMT
I do really like the idea of a templar rogue/mage hunter type character. It would let us see an Imperial Templar, give us a chance to see (and play as) a rogue templar build, and would explore the mage hunter profession that is really unknown to almost all of the audience since it's really only seen in the comics. Not sure why you're focusing on rogue here. Even Marius is clearly a warrior. "Hunter" doesn't necessarily mean "rogue." When you first meet Alistiar in DAO and he mentions having been a templar, you can say, "You were a mage hunter?" Clearly it just means tracking down mages, not what we typically think of as the rogue class.
But the thing about this is that they don't have any special abilities in the same way the southern templars do, which are granted by lyrium. Any sort of things that Imperial templars, or perrepatae (Marius) might have will be such things like Iron Bull addresses in that one dialogue regarding Cullen being a templar. Even Dorian says Imperial templars are basically normal soldiers. They'd have to do something to make those builds exciting and set them apart from the rest of the standard skills. |
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Post by Artemis on Jan 6, 2019 2:38:05 GMT
I do really like the idea of a templar rogue/mage hunter type character. It would let us see an Imperial Templar, give us a chance to see (and play as) a rogue templar build, and would explore the mage hunter profession that is really unknown to almost all of the audience since it's really only seen in the comics. But the thing about this is that they don't have any special abilities in the same way the southern templars do, which are granted by lyrium. Any sort of things that Imperial templars, or perrepatae (Marius) might have will be such things like Iron Bull addresses in that one dialogue regarding Cullen being a templar. Even Dorian says Imperial templars are basically normal soldiers. They'd have to do something to make those builds exciting and set them apart from the rest of the standard warrior skills.  That's strikes me as a little bizarre, that a warrior character must have some kind of magical power to be interesting to build? I always have fun building Blackwall, for instance. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 6, 2019 2:41:43 GMT
That's strikes me as a little bizarre, that a warrior character must have some kind of magical power to be interesting to build? I always have fun building Blackwall, for instance. See my sig. I take champion spec and like it just fine. I also like the champion spec in DAO. In fact, I prefer the non-mage builds that aren't too magical in flavor. My post wasn't meant to suggest that the class has to have magical power, but that whatever new skills have to be differentiated enough and meant to combat mages/casters that they warrant their own unique spec/build. |
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 6, 2019 4:00:26 GMT
That's strikes me as a little bizarre, that a warrior character must have some kind of magical power to be interesting to build? I always have fun building Blackwall, for instance. See my sig. I take champion spec and like it just fine. I also like the champion spec in DAO. In fact, I prefer the non-mage builds that aren't too magical in flavor. My post wasn't meant to suggest that the class has to have magical power, but that whatever new skills have to be differentiated enough and meant to combat mages/casters that they warrant their own unique spec/build. If we’re talking official Tevinter templars, won’t their main abilities be things like Accept Bribe, Look The Other Way, and Keep Walking? (unironically, it would be pretty fun if a warrior spec ends up having all the social skills) |
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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2019 4:22:47 GMT
Cullen is done. Leave him alone.
Samson should have stayed dead when I killed him in DA2. My intense dislike for this character is so high, I cannot express it properly.
Ser Barris was a weak willed Coward. Why would I want him.
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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2019 4:33:38 GMT
I still don't understand the Harding love? None of that really explains it... I'm assuming people like her for her looks and maybe her voice... she doesn't have much personality. Not her fault; she isn't given much room for one. She basically just shows up at the beginning of every map and is just like, "Hey, Inquisitor... here's some info... bye" lmao I didn't get it either for a long time, an dI'm not saying I'm a huge fan now. But her Jaws of Hakkon dialogue really is quite winning. She's in awe of what's going on and reflects on her involvement in it and it's like, whoa. This is a reminder of what non hero characters think about that is very real just as much as Sera's fear is very real |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 6, 2019 14:52:03 GMT
The only leftovers from DAI I wish to see again in "DA: Revolution" (my personal head canon title for DA4) are Harding and/or Charter (though I'm not sure if she can be trusted considering Solas' appeal) as one of of the Shadow Inquisition officers, along with cameos from Leliana, Cassandra or Vivienne as the White Divine. Blackwall also, if we end up having a side story in the Anderfells. And the Inquisitor of course, in a distant supporting role akin to that of the Illusive Man in Mass Effect). I'll go even further. I'd like to see both him/her and Leliana (if she didn't end up as Divine), in their roles as leaders of the Shadow Inquisition, Why do you need Leliana for your idea of DA 4 if Charter is basically just Leliana 2.0? Leliana is one of the characters who really needs a break. I would appreciate if DA 4 featured no Leliana and therefore no Cassandra and Vivienne as cameos.
Samson should have stayed dead when I killed him in DA2. Well you can´t kill Samson in DA 2. Hawke can only made the suggestion to kill all rebel mages. But the scene with Cullen indicated that Samson will likely be killed as well but in actual fact we didn´t know what happened to Samson. Old videogame rule No Visible Body = Not Dead. I think it was ok that Bioware decided to bring him back. In the Legacy Cut Content it was also hinted that Bioware decided a long time ago that Samson works with Corypheus (Larius) "Yesterday, I saw a man I could swear was Larius, just walking around Lowtown. I wasn't sure at first, but that armor, that hair... he's unmistakable. He was talking to Samson, of all people. I can't imagine what a Grey Warden commander and an ex-templar vagrant have in common, but they seemed intent in their discussion. When I came closer, Larius pulled Samson into a doorway---I don't know if he saw me or not, but it seemed almost like they were avoiding me..." dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_A_Strange_SightingIn DA2 i liked him and have sympathy for him but in DAI he is a monster. Even worst than Meredith. |
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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2019 16:28:59 GMT
Cullen says "you can see his body hanging in the Gallows when you walked in"
Retcon is retcon. It's not like they haven't forgotten someone can be killed before *rolls eyes*
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 6, 2019 16:41:50 GMT
Old videogame rule No Visible Body = Not Dead.
The rule suggests that creators can't have more abstract story implications for a character's death, as we see with Duncan, because players just won't accept what they see. That leads to trite storytelling and is boring. Do people think that the Cousland parents are running around out there as well, despite not having seen their dead bodies? No. They're being selective because they want something.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 6, 2019 16:48:58 GMT
Cullen says "you can see his body hanging in the Gallows when you walked in" Retcon is retcon. It's not like they haven't forgotten someone can be killed before *rolls eyes* Well thats not correct. We all assumed that Samson was likely killed as well.
But in reality it was very vague and at no time did Cullen directly say that Samson was killed. The scene starts at 10:20
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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2019 16:53:47 GMT
Okay so I paraphrased.
He was implied to have been hung with the use of non graphic language.
Still dead. Still retconned. They've done it before and they bent over backwards not to kill anyone they'd ever want to use again in DAI for this very habit of doing it too much prior.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 6, 2019 17:02:34 GMT
This speculation will never die but Bioware had the chance to end this with Ostagar DLC. But they didn´t do that. Maybe they played with the idea of bringing Duncan back and decided ultimately against it.
To be fair at this moment and time is of course impossible that Duncan anything other than dead.
No that wasn´t necessary because Howe and Fergus had commented on the deaths.
This was just dialogue but its enough.
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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2019 17:06:43 GMT
So dialogue for the Couslands is enough but not enough for Samson?
Odd
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 6, 2019 17:13:54 GMT
Still dead. Still retconned. They've done it before and they bent over backwards not to kill anyone they'd ever want to use again in DAI for this very habit of doing it too much prior. Not really. He wasn´t mentioned and it was no direct kill from the player. Its still possible that Meredith reduced Samson punishment for his collaboration and just put him in prison. Who knows?
It was an assumed offscreen death to which Bioware didn´t say a word. Also 95% of DA 2 players even didn´t do this. So why not bring him back if Bioware wants to contuine his story?
Both Howe and Fergus had commented the deaths in detail.
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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2019 17:20:33 GMT
And 95% of players didn't kill Leliana at the Ashes of Andraste and look at where we're at.
Agree to disagree already, dude.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 6, 2019 17:42:16 GMT
And 95% of players didn't kill Leliana at the Ashes of Andraste and look at where we're at. Agree to disagree already, dude. Also Oghren and Anders. But it was the right decision. Maybe it would have been smarter if Bioware didn´t done this at the first run but they clearly had underestimated the success of the series or should i say DAO. It was possible at the time that Dragon Age Origins would have been the next Jade Empire for Bioware.
So they didn´t consider this issue with Leliana.
Unlike Samson Bioware acknowledge the events of the "deaths" of Leliana, Oghren and Leliana. Ok Lelianas beheading was of course retconed but this was in the end just a random animation. We players also had assumed a different outcome of this supposed deaths than Bioware.
Of course you can argue that is just bad writing but what is more important for Bioware? The playerbase of 5% or 95%?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 6, 2019 17:47:24 GMT
This speculation will never die Thanks for confirming that those players are deluded idiots. Both Howe and Fergus had commented the deaths in detail. I don't believe either of them said that they saw the bodies. There was plenty of talk about Duncan's death as well. The comparison still stands. People are deliberately ignoring one offscreen death while being fine with another. It's hypocritical, and again, limiting from an artistic storytelling perspective if the creator feels compelled to viscerally show every death to convince the player that a character is dead. |
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Post by melbella on Jan 6, 2019 18:23:31 GMT
People are deliberately ignoring one offscreen death while being fine with another. It's hypocritical, and again, limiting from an artistic storytelling perspective if the creator feels compelled to viscerally show every death to convince the player that a character is dead. Still not convinced Dad Ryder is really dead.....  |
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 6, 2019 18:39:06 GMT
Cullen: Been there, done that.
Samson: No thank you.
Barris: I can see the apeal.
Re Harding: As much as I like her and usually flirt with her, I find that her and WhatsHisName from JOH are so cute together. I say let them get together and be happy, such an adorable couple.
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And 95% of players didn't kill Leliana at the Ashes of Andraste and look at where we're at. Agree to disagree already, dude. Also Oghren and Anders. But it was the right decision. Maybe it would have been smarter if Bioware didn´t done this at the first run but they clearly had underestimated the success of the series or should i say DAO. It was possible at the time that Dragon Age Origins would have been the next Jade Empire for Bioware.
So they didn´t consider this issue with Leliana.
Unlike Samson Bioware acknowledge the events of the "deaths" of Leliana, Oghren and Leliana. Ok Lelianas beheading was of course retconed but this was in the end just a random animation. We players also had assumed a different outcome of this supposed deaths than Bioware.
Of course you can argue that is just bad writing but what is more important for Bioware? The playerbase of 5% or 95%?
I definitely call it bad writing. If you write a character for an optional death, then that character should be dead unless there is a strong narrative reason for why they actually aren't. Leliana's was stretching it, but I can suspend disbelief given that the ashes also revived Arl Eammon from his coma. So it's not that far of a stretch that it could revive Leliana after the battle in the temple. Oghren and Anders, not so much. I would greatly appreciate if they avoided that in the future. Although one character that I could actually see being revealed to be alive is Yavana from the comics. We know that she can control dragons and that she can summon/suspend spirits. She's the daughter of Flemeth, who can shapeshift into a dragon. And she's in the middle of a ceremony around dragons (one of which is present at the time) when she's stabbed by Alistair. I can understand them being able to explain that she's still around. And she could be an interesting companion (or antagonist) if we end up in Antiva at some point. |
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None of that really explains it... I'm assuming people like her for her looks and maybe her voice... she doesn't have much personality. Not her fault; she isn't given much room for one. She basically just shows up at the beginning of every map and is just like, "Hey, Inquisitor... here's some info... bye" lmao
That's strikes me as a little bizarre, that a warrior character must have some kind of magical power to be interesting to build? I always have fun building Blackwall, for instance.
