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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 6, 2019 19:52:15 GMT
I definitely call it bad writing. If you write a character for an optional death, then that character should be dead unless there is a strong narrative reason for why they actually aren't. Leliana's was stretching it, but I can suspend disbelief given that the ashes also revived Arl Eammon from his coma. So it's not that far of a stretch that it could revive Leliana after the battle in the temple. For DA 2 it wasn´t necessary to resurrected Leliana but DAI benefit from it. Bioware could had used a replacement for Leliana if she was killed in DAO but Bioware decided against it. Why? Probably the reason was their limited ressources and they have greatly underestimated Lelianas popularity in the fandom. Its really that bad to bring a character back who was that loved by the fans and within Bioware?
Also her dead is hidden. Like you said a posts before the player had to take Leliana with him/her to the Temple of Sacred Ashes and then defiled the ashes. Seriously how many have done that or even know that this is possible? Only a very small % of the playerbase.
Also they didn´t chanced the event. The Warden had tried to kill Leliana like Oghren. For me its a bit nitpicking to criticize that but thats ok.
I have more problems with Anders. Because Bioware retconed a lot more with him and Justice.
Leliana may not have the perfect explanation but it works for me
Anders is the worst retcon character that Bioware have ever done. What about Sten and Shale?
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Post by melbella on Jan 6, 2019 20:20:32 GMT
the player had to take Leliana with him/her to the Temple of Sacred Ashes and then defiled the ashes. Seriously how many have done that or even know that this is possible? You quite clearly get the option during the quest when you're standing there deciding what to do. Also, people would know it's possible even before that because there's an achievement for defiling the ashes.
The only 'surprise' would be Leliana's reaction, but given how religious she is, it shouldn't really be a surprise. I didn't take either her or Wynne with me when I did it and I spoke to Wynne first once back at camp. She ended up leaving but Leliana didn't say anything about it at all.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 6, 2019 20:34:39 GMT
Also, people would know it's possible even before that because there's an achievement for defiling the ashes. Not everyone cares about achievements, you know. Aside from that, don't forget that Kolgrim also asks you to do it!
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Post by melbella on Jan 6, 2019 20:37:51 GMT
Aside from that, don't forget that Kolgrim also asks you to do it! There is that, but I think you can attack him before he gets around to telling you what he wants, and then loot the blood off his corpse. Or am I remembering it wrong? My last couple PTs I pretended to agree to help him so I could avoid the fight there and get them on the way out instead, when they are more spread out and easier to defeat.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 6, 2019 20:39:40 GMT
You quite clearly get the option during the quest when you're standing there deciding what to do. Also, people would know it's possible even before that because there's an achievement for defiling the ashes.
The only 'surprise' would be Leliana' reaction, but given how religious she is, it shouldn't really be a surprise. I didn't take either her or Wynne with me when I did it and I spoke to Wynne first once back at camp. She ended up leaving but Leliana didn't say anything about it at all.
My focus was only on Leliana possible death and not the ashes itself. The average player will likely not defilling the ashes. So he/her will not see Lelianas death. Also you have take Leliana in the party or the killing event won´t happen. Its possible to have Zevran instead of her in the party, the warden is himself/herself a rogue, the player didn´t recruited Leliana et cetera.
This isn´t a decision that every player had to make. Its an optional death that 95% of DAO playerbase haven´t done or will do in the future. This isn´t the DA 2 Anders decision or Ashley vs Kaidan.
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Jan 6, 2019 21:18:39 GMT
I love Cullen with all my heart but the guy's tale is over imo.
I would LOVE Delrin to be a companion but he is dead in my run because I'm a mage trash T_T
About Samson, maybe? the character is interesting but I think he has way too many outcomes to become a companion.
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Post by Beerfish on Jan 7, 2019 12:48:27 GMT
I kill Calperina and Samson about 20 times a week in dragon age mp so they are out.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 7, 2019 13:18:02 GMT
I kill Calperina and Samson about 20 times a week in dragon age mp so they are out. For those of us who do not play MP, could you elaborate on the details of their mission(s)?
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Post by Beerfish on Jan 7, 2019 14:34:21 GMT
I kill Calperina and Samson about 20 times a week in dragon age mp so they are out. For those of us who do not play MP, could you elaborate on the details of their mission(s)? If you play vs the venatori you go through the 5 zones battling all sorts of venatori. Calpernia is the tough end boss in the last wave, you have to kill her to 'win the match'
If you play vs the Red Templars same thing, Samson is the end boss you have to kill.
From wiki:
Each location consists of five zones chosen at random from various possible configurations. Once the first four zones have been cleared, the Inquisition agents will face a fifth wave of enemies led by the enemy commander, either Calpernia, Samson, an Emissary alpha, an Envy demon, or Saarath, depending on which faction they are fighting. Once the final wave of enemies have been killed, the match ends victoriously.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 7, 2019 14:57:14 GMT
I kill Calperina and Samson about 20 times a week in dragon age mp so they are out. No they are still possible especially Calpernia. First because its just Multiplayer and second Bioware obviously reused the charactermodels and their attacks/animations. In MP they aren´t called Calpernia and Samson just Venatori Commander and Red Templar Commander.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 7, 2019 14:59:56 GMT
For those of us who do not play MP, could you elaborate on the details of their mission(s)? If you play vs the venatori you go through the 5 zones battling all sorts of venatori. Calpernia is the tough end boss in the last wave, you have to kill her to 'win the match'
If you play vs the Red Templars same thing, Samson is the end boss you have to kill.
From wiki:
Each location consists of five zones chosen at random from various possible configurations. Once the first four zones have been cleared, the Inquisition agents will face a fifth wave of enemies led by the enemy commander, either Calpernia, Samson, an Emissary alpha, an Envy demon, or Saarath, depending on which faction they are fighting. Once the final wave of enemies have been killed, the match ends victoriously. Interesting. Thanks for the reply . I was under the impression that the MP levels where supposed to be canonical and like playing the wartable missions, but that can't be the case if you can fight people whose fate you directly control .
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 7, 2019 17:21:59 GMT
I agree that the threadtitle is a bit strange and misleading (at least for my actual intention) but i wonder why are these three "sometimes" mentioned by some as possible DA 4 companions or even as romance options? Ser Barris i could unterstand but in most world states he is unfortunately dead. But Samson and especially Cullen storylines are done. Cullen had his chance as DAI companion but Bioware decided aganist it. Like Barris Cullen can also die if he continue to take the Lyrium. Also he is already a popular romance option in DAI.
So why should still be a DA 4 Companion? Samson? In most of my world states he rots in his prision cell for the rest of his life. Even though i have sympathy for him in DA 2 but in DAI he is more a monster than a likeable figure.
I really don´t want him as companion or romance.
So yeah i would prefer if we had a complete new character as our DA 4 Templar companion.
Can they dispel magic at long range, via their bow? We actually already know the answer to this via fluff provided by a few separate Templars, including Cullen in DAI. Short answer no, the anti magic field emits from you. Not your gear, not your equipment or armor or whatever, but from your own fortitude and will.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 7, 2019 17:25:00 GMT
People are deliberately ignoring one offscreen death while being fine with another. It's hypocritical, and again, limiting from an artistic storytelling perspective if the creator feels compelled to viscerally show every death to convince the player that a character is dead. Still not convinced Dad Ryder is really dead..... I'm still not convinced that the entirety of Andromeda is just a delusion before death during the Reaper Invasion...but that is giving Bioware far too much credit.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 8, 2019 15:22:58 GMT
Can they dispel magic at long range, via their bow? We actually already know the answer to this via fluff provided by a few separate Templars, including Cullen in DAI. Short answer no, the anti magic field emits from you. Not your gear, not your equipment or armor or whatever, but from your own fortitude and will. Well then could a particularly strong-willed arrow potentially become a templar?
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 8, 2019 22:18:26 GMT
We actually already know the answer to this via fluff provided by a few separate Templars, including Cullen in DAI. Short answer no, the anti magic field emits from you. Not your gear, not your equipment or armor or whatever, but from your own fortitude and will. Well then could a particularly strong-willed arrow potentially become a templar? Possessed templar arrow for LI!
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 9, 2019 8:26:55 GMT
We actually already know the answer to this via fluff provided by a few separate Templars, including Cullen in DAI. Short answer no, the anti magic field emits from you. Not your gear, not your equipment or armor or whatever, but from your own fortitude and will. Well then could a particularly strong-willed arrow potentially become a templar? No
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 9, 2019 11:17:05 GMT
Well then could a particularly strong-willed arrow potentially become a templar? No Could the Chantry devise a catapault that hurls templars into far away groups of mages?
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 9, 2019 12:54:04 GMT
Could the Chantry devise a catapault that hurls templars into far away groups of mages? I suspect that they need to be alive for their powers to work. They'll need to invent the parachute first if they want this to work .
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 9, 2019 15:11:30 GMT
Don't know/remember who Ser Barris is, but please NO CULLEN OR SAMSON, ugh.
Don't know why they even were in DA:I, they were already stupid and boring enough on their small roles in DA:O and DA2. Actually, I don't know why Cullen was in DA2 either, it seems his only role in the three games is to be stupid.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 9, 2019 15:22:19 GMT
Don't know/remember who Ser Barris is, but please NO CULLEN OR SAMSON, ugh. Don't know why they even were in DA:I, they were already stupid and boring enough on their small roles in DA:O and DA2. Actually, I don't know why Cullen was in DA2 either, it seems his only role in the three games is to be stupid. Barris is the Templar who follows that prick in Val Royeaux, instead of following the Inquisition. I never did CotJ yet, so I don't know him.
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 9, 2019 15:30:12 GMT
Don't know/remember who Ser Barris is, but please NO CULLEN OR SAMSON, ugh. Don't know why they even were in DA:I, they were already stupid and boring enough on their small roles in DA:O and DA2. Actually, I don't know why Cullen was in DA2 either, it seems his only role in the three games is to be stupid. Barris is the Templar who follows that prick in Val Royeaux, instead of following the Inquisition. I never did CoH yet, so I don't know him. Oh, right. Since I couldn't care less about the templars, I almost always end up siding with the mages, so I don't know him.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 9, 2019 15:48:46 GMT
Champions of the Just allows the Inquisitor to disband the templars.
Also it unlocks Under Her Skin, which is one of the best quests in the game and fills in a lot of details about Corypheus.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 9, 2019 15:54:59 GMT
Champions of the Just allows the Inquisitor to disband the templars.
Also it unlocks Under Her Skin, which is one of the best quests in the game and fills in a lot of details about Corypheus. Yes, it tempting. But they're so disrespectful and dishonest in Val Royeaux, that make (almost) impossible to follow them.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 9, 2019 16:10:56 GMT
Champions of the Just allows the Inquisitor to disband the templars.
Also it unlocks Under Her Skin, which is one of the best quests in the game and fills in a lot of details about Corypheus. Yes, it tempting. But they're so disrespectful and dishonest in Val Royeaux, that make (almost) impossible to follow them.
The way my Adaar rationalized it, suppressing magic seemed more likely to seal the breach than adding to it. Yeah the templars suck (he was an apostate himself), but practically speaking he needed the best shot at the breach, even if he found them personally distasteful. Getting to disband them at the end was icing on the cake. It really is an outstanding questline, especially Under Her Skin. I did the Adaar playthrough first, and the Lavellan playthrough with the mages felt like a step down.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 9, 2019 16:26:21 GMT
Yes, it tempting. But they're so disrespectful and dishonest in Val Royeaux, that make (almost) impossible to follow them.
The way my Adaar rationalized it, suppressing magic seemed more likely to seal the breach than adding to it. Yeah the templars suck (he was an apostate himself), but practically speaking he needed the best shot at the breach, even if he found them personally distasteful. Getting to disband them at the end was icing on the cake. It really is an outstanding questline, especially Under Her Skin. I did the Adaar playthrough first, and the Lavellan playthrough with the mages felt like a step down. My Inquisitors are mages. They know, what the mages can do. No Templars need for fix the things.
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