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Post by biggydx on Jan 5, 2019 22:08:41 GMT
I know most people tend to not want to speculate over things they haven't tried, or haven't seen the full realization of. So understand when I pose this question, I do so knowing that it's asking people to partially commit to something they don't have a full understand of. With said, I'm asking you to go off the best " gut feeling" that you have. For me, I expect the game to hover somewhere between 7.8~8.3 (so an 8 on average). If I had to anticipate the general sentiments about the games pros and cons, it would probably be this: Pros
- Highly detailed and beautiful landscapes - Fun flight and combat mechanics - Generally good loot incentives and accessibility - Generally good story, some good characters, and a unique mixing of player choice Cons- Not enough endgame content - Lack of a dedicated social hub - Lack of common MMO/Loot genre Quality of Life features (there's no player inspection in Anthem, nor 3rd party text chat, and little info on clans) - Not enough to do in the world (still iffy on this one) It's pretty obvious that the game world is gorgeous, and those who've played the game at E3 and the alpha have stated that the game handles very well overall. I think the way they're handling the loot system makes for a pretty good middle ground between hardcore grind, and player-based intentionality. Those who have the skill, loadout, and time, can participate in higher difficulty content with the hopes of getting the absolute best gear. Others can get lucky and snag a high-quality blueprint to make a serviceable gear item for tackling harder content. As for the story, I can't say much, but I think there's promise here. As for the cons: I don't really think there's as much to Anthems endgame as BioWare would let on. Though I think subsequent live-updates can help in fleshing it out, with it only being Dungeons (Strongholds) and bounties, that might be too little for the more avid player; especially if there's not enough of them. I think the lack of a dedicated social hub will be a negative depending on what type of player you are. If you like recruiting for your clan, or you just like having other players around for the game space to feel lively, Anthem might end up dissuading said people. Especially if you consider that only 4 players are active on the entire freeplay map. I get there's s a lore justification behind it, but some don't care as much for it as others. I think some of us who are privy to Anthem news know about why they couldn't have text chat (due to federal rulings and a waiver expiring), but the lack of an inspection feature in a loot-based game is pretty bad IMO (confirmed by Ben Irving). We also haven't heard much on clan systems, and part of me thinks there really isn't one tbh. On that last Con (not enough to do in the world), I think this largely hinges how much there is to uncover in the world, how unique the biomes are, how many secret are spread out, and is there enough variety in the games public events to justify all that space. I think the biggest issue facing Anthem, come review time, is what expectations players have of the game. In addition, it'll also be determined by what genre people think Anthem is trying to be a part of. Some of the more vocal, and negative, comments I've seen about the game is that it's too repetitive. However, for most loot-based games, repetition is practically a mainstay of the genre. Others are hoping for deep character interactions, story, and tons of cinematics; expecting the game to be a multiplayer, story-focused game. Anthem's in a tough spot considering the background of BioWare and how people perceive their games; or what they should be. Ultimately, I think the game will settle well enough, but I don't expect to see it winning GotY awards either. (When you wish you could reword the grammar in your poll question... )
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Post by 10k on Jan 5, 2019 22:52:14 GMT
Overall I think once the game is in everyone hands, they'll think it's more of the same looter shooter genre that doesn't do anything better than games like Destiny 2 or the Division 2 (which comes out a few weeks after Anthem). They don't have PvP, I don't think it's a full open-world, and essentially it looks like a horde mode. Why buy this when Division 2 is right around the corner? I think it will be between a 6 or 7; mediocre at best.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 5, 2019 22:55:56 GMT
Overall I think once the game is in everyone hands, they'll think it's more of the same looter shooter genre that doesn't do anything better than games like Destiny 2 or the Division 2 (which comes out a few weeks after Anthem). They don't have PvP, I don't think it's a full open-world, and essentially it looks like a horde mode. Why buy this when Division 2 is right around the corner? I think it will be between a 6 or 7; mediocre at best. Same, it just looks so 'meh'.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 5, 2019 22:56:05 GMT
I suspect a lot is riding on how fun flight is. That't the one standout as far as i can tell.
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Post by 10k on Jan 5, 2019 23:27:14 GMT
I suspect a lot is riding on how fun flight is. That't the one standout as far as i can tell. Even then I don't think that is really a huge standout, given player's can fly in warframe. A game that is similar to Anthem as well. Anthem doesn't do anything new.
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Post by helios969 on Jan 5, 2019 23:35:45 GMT
I suspect a lot is riding on how fun flight is. That't the one standout as far as i can tell. Even then I don't think that is really a huge standout, given player's can fly in warframe. A game that is similar to Anthem as well. Anthem doesn't do anything new. Aside from Anthem being more realistic visually than cartoony...which at least for me is a big deal. I don't play Warframe for that reason...I'm going to play Anthem because of that distinction.
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Post by biggydx on Jan 6, 2019 0:40:26 GMT
Overall I think once the game is in everyone hands, they'll think it's more of the same looter shooter genre that doesn't do anything better than games like Destiny 2 or the Division 2 (which comes out a few weeks after Anthem). They don't have PvP, I don't think it's a full open-world, and essentially it looks like a horde mode. Why buy this when Division 2 is right around the corner? I think it will be between a 6 or 7; mediocre at best. I think they're banking on flight and a better story to be the most distinct aspects of Anthem
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Post by SGT NOOBSTER on Jan 6, 2019 1:35:47 GMT
Overall I think once the game is in everyone hands, they'll think it's more of the same looter shooter genre that doesn't do anything better than games like Destiny 2 or the Division 2 (which comes out a few weeks after Anthem). They don't have PvP, I don't think it's a full open-world, and essentially it looks like a horde mode. Why buy this when Division 2 is right around the corner? I think it will be between a 6 or 7; mediocre at best. I am hoping that Anthem is more like Division than Destiny. I liked that I could get most of the "lore" in Division while roaming around and that I could do just about everything solo, if I chose to. That was part of my slight disappointment with Destiny: In D1 a lot of the story/ lore you had to read about outside of the game, they kind of fixed this w/ D2 by tying it to weapons or gear; the Raids had to be done with a group and tell some of the endgame story (I know they have already said that this will be in Anthem and that a similar thing was in Division.) I don't have a problem with no PvP, sometimes it is fun but I don't want it to be a core feature of "MMO-style shooter-looters," it can make the game very unbalanced at times (anyone that ventured into the DZ in The Division before the massive gameplay overhaul can confirm that.) I am still going to get Division 2 as I am interested in the story, same with Anthem.
I'd say that Anthem will probably get at least a 7; it's still Bioware so I doubt the story will be bad. I think the score will mostly hinge on how different or new the actual gameplay is rather than the story.
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 6, 2019 3:05:57 GMT
I think Anthem will fair quite well judging from my MMO days the number 4 is the magic number when trying to get a group together for end game, I remember how hard it was to get 5 people together for a dungeon and that was even when I was in a guild let alone 10 like some MMO's end game content so with that said I like the idea of not having to sit around waiting for your friends and/or Guild mates to get online to play and having to not Pug it due to the lack of players you are comfortable playing with and I really like how I can play on the vertical and not just horizontal it feels more real world when it comes to combat.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 6, 2019 5:18:14 GMT
8 with a Bioware Bump, because outlets like IGN will say "I wish I could rate this game what it really deserves, but..."
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 6, 2019 7:20:30 GMT
EA will pay good money to have good "review" scores appear.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jan 6, 2019 8:06:01 GMT
7. I'm not seeing anything revolutionary about this game, it's literally just another loot shooter. People will catch on quickly once the demo comes out.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 6, 2019 9:20:07 GMT
EA will pay good money to have good "review" scores appear. Did they forget to send the check for Mass Effect Andromeda?
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 6, 2019 10:29:50 GMT
7.5 maybe? It looks very pretty, the gameplay seems good enough but not very deep or challenging, and four Javelins isn't all that much variety. But Destiny did well enough with only three classes, right? Have we seen any actual story content other than VAs making a mountain out of a molehill in the Arcanist mission?
To me it looks like a very prettied up version of Warframe but with only a small fraction of that game's content and mechanics.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 6, 2019 10:50:19 GMT
To me it looks like a very prettied up version of Warframe but with only a small fraction of that game's content and mechanics. I wasn't around for Warframe's launch, how much of Warframe's current content would you say was available it its launch? Incidentally, Warframe's MetaCritics: PC - 71 PS - 64 XB - 62 An indication of the problem of 'live service' games from a review perspective, i.e. a game that's far from done.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 6, 2019 10:59:10 GMT
To me it looks like a very prettied up version of Warframe but with only a small fraction of that game's content and mechanics. I wasn't around for Warframe's launch, how much of Warframe's current content would you say was available it its launch? Incidentally, Warframe's MetaCritics: PC - 71 PS - 64 XB - 62 An indication of the problem of 'live service' games from a review perspective, i.e. a game that's far from done. A small fraction only, of course. A handful of maps and maybe 4 warframes. But they needed only one year to make that launch version. Both games started development in the same year, 2012. I bet Anthem's team is much bigger, too. They had the same time to put into their development, Warframe just had way more player exposure - which gives the DE team a much better idea what their players like and don't like, but not more time to actually make that content.
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Post by traks on Jan 6, 2019 12:03:10 GMT
So we already know the pros and cons before playing through the game? Anyways, I expect good media reviews, but because it is a BioWare game a lukewarm player reaction.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 6, 2019 17:41:06 GMT
To me it looks like a very prettied up version of Warframe but with only a small fraction of that game's content and mechanics. I wasn't around for Warframe's launch, how much of Warframe's current content would you say was available it its launch? Incidentally, Warframe's MetaCritics: PC - 71 PS - 64 XB - 62 An indication of the problem of 'live service' games from a review perspective, i.e. a game that's far from done. It's been in open beta for a while until people found it was somehow not really a beta anymore. I guess the next best thing to brand 'launch' for Warframe was it's Steam release. Closed beta released with 8 frames open beta added another two not counting prime versions. As I recall the solar map with mission nodes was in place with open beta. The original frames were Excalibur, Loki, Volt, Ash, Rhino, Ember, Mag, Trinity with Frost and Nyx joining soon.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 6, 2019 18:32:36 GMT
I assume you're asking about the user score, not the critic score?
It's a futile effort to try to predict, given the variables that would have the biggest impact on the score, and that you can vote without actually playing the game. How activist with the EA hate crowd be, in terms of review-bombing? How activist will the SP games-only or die crowd be? How activist will the no romances, or no first-person, or no text chat, etc., etc., etc., groups be?
There are a lot of factions sharpening their axes already. Will there be enough fair-minded people who actually play the game who will take the time to vote?
For the critic score, given the transparency Bioware has been providing and the diversity of game news outlets saying something supportive of the game at this early a stage, I'd say 7+ was a fair bet. That could turn, though, if Bioware fumbles the PR between now and launch.
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Post by biggydx on Jan 6, 2019 23:38:10 GMT
I assume you're asking about the user score, not the critic score? It's a futile effort to try to predict, given the variables that would have the biggest impact on the score, and that you can vote without actually playing the game. How activist with the EA hate crowd be, in terms of review-bombing? How activist will the SP games-only or die crowd be? How activist will the no romances, or no first-person, or no text chat, etc., etc., etc., groups be? There are a lot of factions sharpening their axes already. Will there be enough fair-minded people who actually play the game who will take the time to vote? For the critic score, given the transparency Bioware has been providing and the diversity of game news outlets saying something supportive of the game at this early a stage, I'd say 7+ was a fair bet. That could turn, though, if Bioware fumbles the PR between now and launch. I was going with critic score
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 6, 2019 23:49:00 GMT
Critic score I'm guessing will be something like 82-87. Everyone I listen to is very excited for it, people who played the Alpha have said it's a lot of fun, those who have got to play closed-session and at E3 very much enjoyed it. I think it will review well critically, less so user reviews (I'm thinking review bombing by the "Anthem killed Mass Effect", "F*** EA" group.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 7, 2019 3:06:15 GMT
7. I'm not seeing anything revolutionary about this game, it's literally just another loot shooter. People will catch on quickly once the demo comes out. This is a concern. Anthem benefits from being the new kid on the block so naturally people will buy the game just out of sheer curiosity. This is why I believe Anthem will have high launch sales, possibly higher than EA explanations and definitely more than DAI. But if Anthem doesnt hit that sweet spot for whatever players are looking for, their curiosity boost would end and people will go back to Destiny 2 or wait for Division 2 to come out which people already know what they are getting. Review scores means nothing. The excitement for the game 6-8 months after launch is what matters. Can Anthem sustain a strong player base even with Destiny 2 and Division 2 on the market....
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 7, 2019 3:43:42 GMT
7. I'm not seeing anything revolutionary about this game, it's literally just another loot shooter. People will catch on quickly once the demo comes out. This is a concern. Anthem benefits from being the new kid on the block so naturally people will buy the game just out of sheer curiosity. This is why I believe Anthem will have high launch sales, possibly higher than EA explanations and definitely more than DAI. But if Anthem doesnt hit that sweet spot for whatever players are looking for, their curiosity boost would end and people will go back to Destiny 2 or wait for Division 2 to come out which people already know what they are getting. Review scores means nothing. The excitement for the game 6-8 months after launch is what matters. Can Anthem sustain a strong player base even with Destiny 2 and Division 2 on the market.... Continued engagement with microtransactions might be the most important factor to Anthem's success internally at BWEA, but review scores aren't completely meaningless. I guarantee that there will be panic at the company if Metacritic comes up below 80.
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Post by clips7 on Jan 7, 2019 4:32:32 GMT
Even then I don't think that is really a huge standout, given player's can fly in warframe. A game that is similar to Anthem as well. Anthem doesn't do anything new. Aside from Anthem being more realistic visually than cartoony...which at least for me is a big deal. I don't play Warframe for that reason...I'm going to play Anthem because of that distinction. I never really watched any gameplay of Warframe....but Anthem's sense of flight compared to Warframes...looks waaay better and more organic....now i do understand Warframe is free to play and is not working with the same budget as Anthem, but i'm just saying....and while these games (looting) are not my cup of tea, Anthem does look more polished and refined in this sense....but i do luv me some ME3 MP....Phoenix Vanguard!....ftw..
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 7, 2019 7:37:47 GMT
I believe it will be a 9 for neutral parties, and a 7 for 'opinionated' peoples.
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