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Post by sassafrassa on Jan 9, 2019 4:07:33 GMT
You could tell many different stories taking place in just one star cluster or solar system, planet, or even space station, in the Milky Way. Space is BIG. Indeed, there could be a whole empire that did not advance itself with Mass Effect technology in the unexplored areas of the Milky-way.
We need a Mass Effect game with a galaxy map that zooms in and shows us the three-dimensions of the Milky Way. So we can convey to the player that each cluster they've visited in the previous games has been just a small dot in vast clouds of stars. Really bring it home that explored space in Mass Effect is less than 1% of the Milky Way.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 9, 2019 4:12:06 GMT
You could tell many different stories taking place in just one star cluster or solar system, planet, or even space station, in the Milky Way. Space is BIG. Indeed, there could be a whole empire that did not advance itself with Mass Effect technology in the unexplored areas of the Milky-way. I suggested this same thing months ago. Even if true, it's essentially another galaxy and so whether it's set there or in Andromeda makes little difference.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 9, 2019 4:16:42 GMT
Indeed, there could be a whole empire that did not advance itself with Mass Effect technology in the unexplored areas of the Milky-way. I suggested this same thing months ago. Even if true, it's essentially another galaxy and so whether it's set there or in Andromeda makes little difference. Also, to add a twist to it, they knew about the Reapers and choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 9, 2019 4:25:56 GMT
I suggested this same thing months ago. Even if true, it's essentially another galaxy and so whether it's set there or in Andromeda makes little difference. Also, to add a twist to it, they knew about the Reapers and choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy. The reason I found this particular thing to be pointless is because people act as if the MW has some special magic that will make everything right in the world. I pointed out that the entire Andromeda Initiative could have been transplanted to this other area of the MW and it would make no difference. What people really want seems to be Shepard in the setting they know. Personally, I think we either need to move on or put the series to rest.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 9, 2019 4:39:07 GMT
Also, to add a twist to it, they knew about the Reapers and choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy. The reason I found this particular thing to be pointless is because people act as if the MW has some special magic that will make everything right in the world. I pointed out that the entire Andromeda Initiative could have been transplanted to this other area of the MW and it would make no difference. What people really want seems to be Shepard in the setting they know. Personally, I think we either need to move on or put the series to rest. I would say put it on a long rest and figure out what needs doing in order to move forward or just let it die. Some things are better off ending at the 3rd installment.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 9, 2019 4:44:56 GMT
Also, to add a twist to it, they knew about the Reapers and choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy. The reason I found this particular thing to be pointless is because people act as if the MW has some special magic that will make everything right in the world. I pointed out that the entire Andromeda Initiative could have been transplanted to this other area of the MW and it would make no difference. What people really want seems to be Shepard in the setting they know. Personally, I think we either need to move on or put the series to rest. That has been my argument as well. Instead of going to Andromeda the arks went to a far remote part of the Milky Way and found the Kett that were able to develop without Reaper technology and we had to spend 600 years travelling to get there because the technology for the engines wasn't as fast as what they say for Andromeda. Boom unknown sector of the Milky Way with an unknown species and technology so we have the Heleus Cluster in the Milky Way, but I don't see how that is better then having it in the Andromeda Galaxy aside from saying its in a different galaxy.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 9, 2019 4:51:24 GMT
The reason I found this particular thing to be pointless is because people act as if the MW has some special magic that will make everything right in the world. I pointed out that the entire Andromeda Initiative could have been transplanted to this other area of the MW and it would make no difference. What people really want seems to be Shepard in the setting they know. Personally, I think we either need to move on or put the series to rest. That has been my argument as well. Instead of going to Andromeda the arks went to a far remote part of the Milky Way and found the Kett that were able to develop without Reaper technology and we had to spend 600 years travelling to get there because the technology for the engines wasn't as fast as what they say for Andromeda. Boom unknown sector of the Milky Way with an unknown species and technology so we have the Heleus Cluster in the Milky Way, but I don't see how that is better then having it in the Andromeda Galaxy aside from saying its in a different galaxy. And they view this as an act of aggression, invading their region of space. Or something to that effect.
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Post by newnation on Jan 9, 2019 4:51:54 GMT
Also, to add a twist to it, they knew about the Reapers and choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy. The reason I found this particular thing to be pointless is because people act as if the MW has some special magic that will make everything right in the world. I pointed out that the entire Andromeda Initiative could have been transplanted to this other area of the MW and it would make no difference. What people really want seems to be Shepard in the setting they know. Personally, I think we either need to move on or put the series to rest. I don't mind not playing as Shepard. I just hate that they left the Milky Way in such a state that makes it difficult to tell stories after the trilogy without retconning it. I would like to see the series end up like Star Trek in that TNG, DS9, VOY, and the beginning of the Kelvin timeline movies. Each show and movie is a progression of the timeline in which characters from the different shows could interact with each over the years.
Having a completely new cast of characters to me is the logically progression of the series. However I would love cameos from survivors of the original to pop up and interact with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 5:18:57 GMT
Also, to add a twist to it, they knew about the Reapers and choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the galaxy. The reason I found this particular thing to be pointless is because people act as if the MW has some special magic that will make everything right in the world. I pointed out that the entire Andromeda Initiative could have been transplanted to this other area of the MW and it would make no difference. What people really want seems to be Shepard in the setting they know. Personally, I think we either need to move on or put the series to rest. I just want a badass type protagonist like Shepard again. The setting isn't as big a deal when I can shape the game around me the way I want. Ryder felt like a boy scout to me which made it hard to RP him. I tried to play as a professional to be as close to a serious character that I could be but even that choice wasn't always available all the time. I wasn't feeling the dialogue options in Andromeda at all. Also...I talk bad about Kaidan all the time... JK...
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Post by 10k on Jan 9, 2019 6:23:12 GMT
I personally think there should be a total ME3 redo.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 9, 2019 8:21:07 GMT
The reason I found this particular thing to be pointless is because people act as if the MW has some special magic that will make everything right in the world. I pointed out that the entire Andromeda Initiative could have been transplanted to this other area of the MW and it would make no difference. What people really want seems to be Shepard in the setting they know. Personally, I think we either need to move on or put the series to rest. I just want a badass type protagonist like Shepard again. The setting isn't as big a deal when I can shape the game around me the way I want. Ryder felt like a boy scout to me which made it hard to RP him. I tried to play as a professional to be as close to a serious character that I could be but even that choice wasn't always available all the time. I wasn't feeling the dialogue options in Andromeda at all. Also...I talk bad about Kaidan all the time... I think I liked Ryder precisely because he was so different. It made a clean break from the MET. I do think BW was trying to get away from the Paragon/Renegade behavior. It seemed to backfire. People would have been happier if Ryder at least had the choice to be more Renegade. Not even odd with Scott since he could have been bitter of the shitty posting he got with the Alliance and gone all-out Renegade.
As for Kaidan...heh... I hear the Old and Old Old BSN used to be harsh where Kaidan was concerned. Ash, too, I think. All I know is that if not for Kaidan I never would have found ME three years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 13:27:26 GMT
I just want a badass type protagonist like Shepard again. The setting isn't as big a deal when I can shape the game around me the way I want. Ryder felt like a boy scout to me which made it hard to RP him. I tried to play as a professional to be as close to a serious character that I could be but even that choice wasn't always available all the time. I wasn't feeling the dialogue options in Andromeda at all. Also...I talk bad about Kaidan all the time... I think I liked Ryder precisely because he was so different. It made a clean break from the MET. I do think BW was trying to get away from the Paragon/Renegade behavior. It seemed to backfire. People would have been happier if Ryder at least had the choice to be more Renegade. Not even odd with Scott since he could have been bitter of the shitty posting he got with the Alliance and gone all-out Renegade.
As for Kaidan...heh... I hear the Old and Old Old BSN used to be harsh where Kaidan was concerned. Ash, too, I think. All I know is that if not for Kaidan I never would have found ME three years ago.
Yeah...neither of them fared too well. They both have their pros/cons though. I always saved Kaidan on my main playthroughs because it made more sense to make sure the bomb was able to go off (without meta gaming of course. I always put him on it).
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Post by ahglock on Jan 9, 2019 16:52:02 GMT
I think I liked Ryder precisely because he was so different. It made a clean break from the MET. I do think BW was trying to get away from the Paragon/Renegade behavior. It seemed to backfire. People would have been happier if Ryder at least had the choice to be more Renegade. Not even odd with Scott since he could have been bitter of the shitty posting he got with the Alliance and gone all-out Renegade.
As for Kaidan...heh... I hear the Old and Old Old BSN used to be harsh where Kaidan was concerned. Ash, too, I think. All I know is that if not for Kaidan I never would have found ME three years ago.
Yeah...neither of them fared too well. They both have their pros/cons though. I always saved Kaidan on my main playthroughs because it made more sense to make sure the bomb was able to go off (without meta gaming of course. I always put him on it). Same logic for me but I always saved Ashley because I thought a officer should be on comms as the liaison with the salarian unit so she was at the bomb which I felt was more important to insure it went off, so i went to her.(my logic was officer liaises, gunnery sergeant plants a bomb) It made it a good story point for me because I liked Kaiden and saw him as Shepards buddy, I never got the Garrus buddy vibe he seemed more like a fan/student.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 9, 2019 16:54:36 GMT
I think I liked Ryder precisely because he was so different. It made a clean break from the MET. I do think BW was trying to get away from the Paragon/Renegade behavior. It seemed to backfire. People would have been happier if Ryder at least had the choice to be more Renegade. Not even odd with Scott since he could have been bitter of the shitty posting he got with the Alliance and gone all-out Renegade.
As for Kaidan...heh... I hear the Old and Old Old BSN used to be harsh where Kaidan was concerned. Ash, too, I think. All I know is that if not for Kaidan I never would have found ME three years ago.
I didn't need renegade but I wanted assertive. And I don't feel like I got that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 9, 2019 17:33:35 GMT
I think I liked Ryder precisely because he was so different. It made a clean break from the MET. I do think BW was trying to get away from the Paragon/Renegade behavior. It seemed to backfire. People would have been happier if Ryder at least had the choice to be more Renegade. Not even odd with Scott since he could have been bitter of the shitty posting he got with the Alliance and gone all-out Renegade.
As for Kaidan...heh... I hear the Old and Old Old BSN used to be harsh where Kaidan was concerned. Ash, too, I think. All I know is that if not for Kaidan I never would have found ME three years ago.
I didn't need renegade but I wanted assertive. And I don't feel like I got that. Yes, but playing something like Paragade or Renegon gets you that sort of mix.
As for assertive, I can't argue. He was 22 and thrown into a job unexpectedly. By his father, no less, even though the job was meant to go to Cora. He essentially underwent on-the-job training. As I saw it, there was intent to allow for character growth. By the end of the game, he'd had some major successes and would be better prepared/more confident in future games.
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Post by shermos on Jan 11, 2019 14:45:44 GMT
The reason I found this particular thing to be pointless is because people act as if the MW has some special magic that will make everything right in the world. I pointed out that the entire Andromeda Initiative could have been transplanted to this other area of the MW and it would make no difference. What people really want seems to be Shepard in the setting they know. Personally, I think we either need to move on or put the series to rest. That has been my argument as well. Instead of going to Andromeda the arks went to a far remote part of the Milky Way and found the Kett that were able to develop without Reaper technology and we had to spend 600 years travelling to get there because the technology for the engines wasn't as fast as what they say for Andromeda. Boom unknown sector of the Milky Way with an unknown species and technology so we have the Heleus Cluster in the Milky Way, but I don't see how that is better then having it in the Andromeda Galaxy aside from saying its in a different galaxy.
There are quite a few globular clusters and dwarf galaxies which orbit the Milky Way. We never hear about these in Mass Effect, so presumably they aren't part of mass relay network or at least completely unexplored. It's a fair bet not every one is connected to the network. I could have bought into the concept that became MEA if the Initiative went to one of these instead trying to go all the way to bloody Andromeda (which required playing very fast and loose with lore). Even a relatively small globular cluster would have millions of stars to explore (dwarf galaxies can have up to several billion), and the possibility of returning to the milky Way in future could still be on the cards when or if Bioware felt comfortable to do so.
We could still have a post ME3 game in which explorers go to one of these clusters. It wouldn't need to deal with the ending choices beyond some references by characters who lived through the events. Everything else like what happened to the Quarians, Geth, and Krogan can be written around. Alternately, a future game could be based on a competitor to the Andromeda Initiative choosing to colonise a dwarf galaxy.
I agree with the OP that going back to the Milky Way setting is the best option, and my preference is post trilogy. But there are plenty of alternatives other than making MEA2 if Bioware remains dead set against that idea.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 11, 2019 15:36:19 GMT
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 12, 2019 16:11:22 GMT
That has been my argument as well. Instead of going to Andromeda the arks went to a far remote part of the Milky Way and found the Kett that were able to develop without Reaper technology and we had to spend 600 years travelling to get there because the technology for the engines wasn't as fast as what they say for Andromeda. Boom unknown sector of the Milky Way with an unknown species and technology so we have the Heleus Cluster in the Milky Way, but I don't see how that is better then having it in the Andromeda Galaxy aside from saying its in a different galaxy.
There are quite a few globular clusters and dwarf galaxies which orbit the Milky Way. We never hear about these in Mass Effect, so presumably they aren't part of mass relay network or at least completely unexplored. It's a fair bet not every one is connected to the network. I could have bought into the concept that became MEA if the Initiative went to one of these instead trying to go all the way to bloody Andromeda (which required playing very fast and loose with lore). Even a relatively small globular cluster would have millions of stars to explore (dwarf galaxies can have up to several billion), and the possibility of returning to the milky Way in future could still be on the cards when or if Bioware felt comfortable to do so.
We could still have a post ME3 game in which explorers go to one of these clusters. It wouldn't need to deal with the ending choices beyond some references by characters who lived through the events. Everything else like what happened to the Quarians, Geth, and Krogan can be written around. Alternately, a future game could be based on a competitor to the Andromeda Initiative choosing to colonise a dwarf galaxy.
I agree with the OP that going back to the Milky Way setting is the best option, and my preference is post trilogy. But there are plenty of alternatives other than making MEA2 if Bioware remains dead set against that idea.
. Sure, but what story can be told in a dwarf cluster that can't be told in Andromeda? Changing the setting again would have to make sense.
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Post by guanxi on Jan 20, 2019 14:31:43 GMT
The interesting stuff in the milky way galaxy is not the stuff we know about it's what's hiding in the un-mapped relay systems.
Any undiscovered alien civilization who's relay is either inoperable or in a distant star system will have to advance significantly more than we did technologically speaking in order to reach it or to achieve the impossible and develop space-faring technology independently of reaper technology that doesn't require mass relays to traverse the galaxy which is exactly what the mass relay systems and extinction cycles were designed to prevent - to stop one species dominating the rest.
Any such civilization could be far older than 50k years and any species older than a Reaper Cycle will have likely succeeded where the Leviathans couldn't and conquered artificial intelligence either as organics as the Protheans theorized or have become either partially or completely synthetic which again the cycles were created to prevent.
Alternatively, we will get to meet the lifeforms that would have been part of the next extinction cycle. Do we welcome them into the galactic community and share our technology with them and potentially let the next lifeforms surpass us and threaten the status quo or do we fight tooth and nail to preserve the present order of life at the expense of future civilizations. Will we even be given a choice?
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Post by anarchy65 on Jan 20, 2019 15:26:25 GMT
I think the idea of Shepard cults are quite nice. Some people could try again the Lazarus project (that could give them a headstart). Hey, Shepard could actually come back as an ultimate villain for you to defeat, imagine that. It would be much better and much more epic than Andromeda.
The only problem, as said already, would be the world states. Being AI-organic hybrids, helped by the reapers or having all AI destroyed would be three completely different galaxies that would make it impossible for Bioware to build them. They would have to ignore the choices in the ending of ME3 and that wouldn't be nice. Or they could come to an excuse to make one world state, say, 100 years later ME3 (some of Shepard's companions would even still be alive if they survived), and then invent that something happened that undid everything Shepard did.
Or, of course, they could invent another story in the Milky Way that is a prequel to Mass Effect, or even nothing to do with the reapers or Shepard at all.
To me, they all seem more logical than going into a galaxy you know nothing about trusting information that is 600 years old and then getting all surprised that things didn't go as expected when you arrive there
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 21, 2019 17:43:42 GMT
The interesting stuff in the milky way galaxy is not the stuff we know about it's what's hiding in the un-mapped relay systems. Any undiscovered alien civilization who's relay is either inoperable or in a distant star system will have to advance significantly more than we did technologically speaking in order to reach it or to achieve the impossible and develop space-faring technology independently of reaper technology that doesn't require mass relays to traverse the galaxy which is exactly what the mass relay systems and extinction cycles were designed to prevent - to stop one species dominating the rest. Any such civilization could be far older than 50k years and any species older than a Reaper Cycle will have likely succeeded where the Leviathans couldn't and conquered artificial intelligence either as organics as the Protheans theorized or have become either partially or completely synthetic which again the cycles were created to prevent. Wait... you're assuming that the Reapers didn't map those systems?
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Post by Phantom on Jan 21, 2019 20:45:00 GMT
there are trillions of possible stories within the Milk Way ranging from Prequels, to Con Current to Sequels.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 22, 2019 0:47:40 GMT
The interesting stuff in the milky way galaxy is not the stuff we know about it's what's hiding in the un-mapped relay systems. Any undiscovered alien civilization who's relay is either inoperable or in a distant star system will have to advance significantly more than we did technologically speaking in order to reach it or to achieve the impossible and develop space-faring technology independently of reaper technology that doesn't require mass relays to traverse the galaxy which is exactly what the mass relay systems and extinction cycles were designed to prevent - to stop one species dominating the rest. Any such civilization could be far older than 50k years and any species older than a Reaper Cycle will have likely succeeded where the Leviathans couldn't and conquered artificial intelligence either as organics as the Protheans theorized or have become either partially or completely synthetic which again the cycles were created to prevent. Wait... you're assuming that the Reapers didn't map those systems? I have to agree. The Reapers built the Relays (spoilers!) and so any of the Relays that were dark/unused during the time of the Council would still be likely to be activated/used by the Reapers. It's likely that systems/clusters that do not include Relays have low likelihood of containing life (no "Goldilocks" planets, too many black holes, etc) or have another reason why the Reapers chose not to connect them. They had relays going the entire circumference of the Milky Way (from what we can see from the Galaxy Map) and so it would not make a lot of sense for them to have not ventured into other clusters to Reap them as well, as distance within the galaxy seems to be no real object for them.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 23, 2019 19:12:15 GMT
As one who disliked the general religiosity that started to manifest itself around Shepard’s character in the end, I’d absolutely loathe having that doubled down in any other game. At that point might as well have “Shepard” replace “Jesus” in interjections.
As for the setting itself, personally I don’t see much of a difference. Ultimately they’re trying to simply avoid the sealed fate they created with the ending choice, and are committing to that. Either way, the familiar parts would no longer be accessible, but in keeping it in the Milky Way, it might be a harder sell to get people to really buy into the reasons why the places we know are simply cut off.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 24, 2019 15:46:21 GMT
Wait... you're assuming that the Reapers didn't map those systems? Why not? Alternately, suppose some races/races considered this technology to be too dangerous, perhaps even for the purpose to preventing expansion/conflict? They destroy the relays and a wide swath, so wide that it would even be far for the Reapers to go. Or just not worth it because they haven't shown the signs that generally cause the Reapers to attack. I know it requires some hoops to jump through, but no more so than opting to go to Andromeda over exploring the uncharted regions of the MW.
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