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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 18, 2019 5:22:37 GMT
With the latest game now coming out, I figured this would be the perfect time to make a thread about this amazing series.
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Post by Serza on Jan 19, 2019 12:39:56 GMT
Are you the Razgriz?
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Post by Serza on Jan 22, 2019 10:10:27 GMT
I honestly thought there would be more people discussing Ace Combat than DCS, with the accessibility and whatnot.
It's kinda sad, because this series has some pretty nice stuff.
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Post by saandrig on Jan 22, 2019 10:30:05 GMT
I honestly thought there would be more people discussing Ace Combat than DCS, with the accessibility and whatnot. It's kinda sad, because this series has some pretty nice stuff. Never played both of those. I love space sims but never had the same level of fun with the regular sims. And Ace combat was console exclusive plus not a real sim as far as I recall, so no interest from me. Now that it comes to PC I might try it if it has an interesting campaign. Does it? I prefer to be story engaged in missions.
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Post by Serza on Jan 22, 2019 11:36:50 GMT
I honestly thought there would be more people discussing Ace Combat than DCS, with the accessibility and whatnot. It's kinda sad, because this series has some pretty nice stuff. Never played both of those. I love space sims but never had the same level of fun with the regular sims. And Ace combat was console exclusive plus not a real sim as far as I recall, so no interest from me. Now that it comes to PC I might try it if it has an interesting campaign. Does it? I prefer to be story engaged in missions.
Coming to the PC on the first. And to be honest, I see something else on Ace Combat, it just has a nice story that happens to have a pretty kick ass flying arcade game attached.
They're different strokes but I appreciate them both equally.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 22, 2019 16:16:19 GMT
I finished Ace Combat 7. While I can't say it is my favorite Ace Combat game, I could say it is probably in the upper half. All the things I love about the series is there. THe story was really interesting and while a couple moments bugged me overall I really liked it. Definitely kind of connected to me more since some of the stuff could happen in our world even today like the drone plot. The audio was once again amazing between the noises for the planes and of course the soundtrack. The graphics are absolutely gorgeous. I like how a lot of the maps had an unique hazard you had to deal with, from the usual fly below certain elevation or through tight canyons to newer ones like a sandstorm that obscures radar, lighting storm that can short out your screen, to a couple others that I won't mention cause spoilers. Overall it is definitely a true Ace Combat game and I hope it is the first of many new ones to be made.
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Post by Serza on Jan 22, 2019 22:51:17 GMT
I like how it (well, watching) made me care about the characters.
Literally, the moment two characters disappeared from the figurative stage, I wondered where they went until they popped back up.
I was pleasantly surprised that they weren't afraid of death. Shows that this shit is really a war.
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Post by mattig89ch on Feb 8, 2019 22:42:47 GMT
I *soooo* want to get the new game. I played 4, 5, and Zero. 5 was my favorite, but I loved 4. I wasn't really feeling zero myself, the story didn't click with me like 4 & 5 did.
I never did play 6 though...when I started reading up on the story premise, it struck me as 'meh'. So I never picked it up. But 7 is looking great, from everything I've seen so far.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 11, 2019 3:46:43 GMT
So in prep for my getting finally to AC 7 I finally finished AC 5 this morning. Ace Combat 5 is one of my favorite games of all time, I mean in my top four...for those who don't know...and it was amazing how relevant it is even today and how the story gets to me even though I am probably...a significant degree of age older then I was back when I probably last played it. I mean hell quite sure that maybe the last time I played it was about the time the game caught up with its 'real life' time frame...so 2010, maybe 2012. It took me four times on 'Aces' today too get through the damned tunnel..and of course it dumped me right back to the beginning of the mission. But I got through it and 'The Unsung War' with the awesome awesome music. Anyways played through Ace Combat 0, AC AH, and...that Ace Combat freemium game. AC 0 I think was quite a good game, tier 2, but initially it was dissapointing to me because I was young and well it wasn't anywhere near as good as AC 5. Assault Horizon was a tier 3 game and really didn't work in a lot of ways, I hated the god awful DFM and despite the muti protagonists and the voiced protagonist (Bishop I think his name was? he was awesome) the story was cliche and boring. I mean I realized it was the same story kind of in a lot of ways as AC 5...but moving the game into the 'real world' really didn't do it any favors. And the freemium game...ugh I hated it as well because it was just a retread of AC4...from what I saw...just in the real world...and it was just bad. So now finally onto AC 7 and well despite how good this game looked I really preordered it to get a chance to play AC 5 on the modern consoles. Even if AC 7 ended up being crap it would be worth it getting the game... Well 7 is not crap (so far) at least. In fact I am having a blat with it. The story, voice acting, and presentation is all top notch. The writing is so far really stellar. I just love that...at least in the early missions...they really balance out your ability to be a kickass pilot that can single handedly destroy waves of fighters but also set up a situation where you and your side fails the mission. This is again really helped by the way this game seemingly sets up personal stakes for you and then ratchets up the pressure. It was also a treat that the opening aircraft this time was the F-16. The gameplay is also better then ever. Despite the outstanding issue of each plan having nearly a hundred missiles each it seems like they have done a great job of making the game realistic. The planes are actually much harder to fly at high speeds and you can see the wind resistance on the plane as you make the turns. Also the clouds messing you up and environmental effects just is fantastic. Only thing is I haven't figured out how to make high speed turns yet... But... So now I talk about the story.
First of all I really liked the sequence of events with 'Brownie's' death. Kind of interesting how quickly I came to care for that character and then she was gone. Also liked the cocksure eager pilot trope which then was screaming for help as things got too hot and then she didn't make it. Gritting my teeth trying to balance out the situation. I would like to think that maybe if I were fast enough I could've got to her it was most likely scripted...
Which then sets up a nice prelude to mission 4. O...M...G. Considering how much of a fan I am of Ace Combat 5 I really liked Harling as a character...and then *I* am the one who killed him. Again similar situation as the above things were just getting intense racing to get to Mother Goose One and then boom. I suspect I didn't actually fire the missile, after all there was a weird mysterious unit that showed up on the scene (hmm again similar to AC5) but then I get sent off to a penal unit.
Which its funny because I knew this would happen so I was wondering what he would do that would get me sent there. I had no idea. I actually had to stop the game and just sit there in silence for a bit. One of the more shocking things I have done in a game...and it was really bloody nice getting back into AC 5 before hand.
I wonder how much me and the character we seem to be following in the interludes will get along. After all she *likes* that I kill Harling. And I...well me real life..admires and likes Harling so will this cause friction? We shall see. Oh before I forget in the epilogue for Ace Combat 5 it mentions how Harling was going to unseal all the records about the Unsung War in 2020...which is next year. Curiously AC 7 actually takes place pretty concurrently...in 2019. But that was really interesting timing given the events of the early game and with some of the stuff going on in the background... Which is actually a nice segue into something that's bugging me so far: The timeline and the events of this game seem very...weird and I could use some help here:
It is the same characters, same nations, and it even sometimes makes references or direct callbacks to events from previous games but...it also seems confused. Because it just seem to be hinting that Harling was involved in a war between Erussia and Osea...which would maybe be AC 5...but that was between Osea and Yukotobania...so help?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 11, 2019 6:55:46 GMT
So now I talk about the story.
First of all I really liked the sequence of events with 'Brownie's' death. Kind of interesting how quickly I came to care for that character and then she was gone. Also liked the cocksure eager pilot trope which then was screaming for help as things got too hot and then she didn't make it. Gritting my teeth trying to balance out the situation. I would like to think that maybe if I were fast enough I could've got to her it was most likely scripted... If there is one moment I hate in this game, it is this. Screw Mihaly/Mr. X. She was the only character in the original group I actually had any attachment towards. For example she's the only one qwho cares about avoiding civilian casualties while the others are 'lol that's war'. Personally I believe that while she was shot down she survived. It's happened multiple times in the series before and we never get confirmation so you can't prove me wrong.
PS: And yes, it is scripted. I flew over trying to help but her plane is just flying around in the corner of the map with nobody attacking it until the scene ends.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 11, 2019 7:01:52 GMT
I *soooo* want to get the new game. I played 4, 5, and Zero. 5 was my favorite, but I loved 4. I wasn't really feeling zero myself, the story didn't click with me like 4 & 5 did. I never did play 6 though...when I started reading up on the story premise, it struck me as 'meh'. So I never picked it up. But 7 is looking great, from everything I've seen so far. 6 is one of my favorites. It stands up with the other good ones and will always hold a special place in my heart since it was the game that introduced me to the series.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2019 2:53:59 GMT
So now I talk about the story.
First of all I really liked the sequence of events with 'Brownie's' death. Kind of interesting how quickly I came to care for that character and then she was gone. Also liked the cocksure eager pilot trope which then was screaming for help as things got too hot and then she didn't make it. Gritting my teeth trying to balance out the situation. I would like to think that maybe if I were fast enough I could've got to her it was most likely scripted... If there is one moment I hate in this game, it is this. Screw Mihaly/Mr. X. She was the only character in the original group I actually had any attachment towards. For example she's the only one qwho cares about avoiding civilian casualties while the others are 'lol that's war'. Personally I believe that while she was shot down she survived. It's happened multiple times in the series before and we never get confirmation so you can't prove me wrong.
PS: And yes, it is scripted. I flew over trying to help but her plane is just flying around in the corner of the map with nobody attacking it until the scene ends.
I'll admit that did actually annoy me too. Its like 'dude she just died, give it a little time'.
Though on the flip side back in AC 5 Chopper's attitude just really annoyed me. The constant drubbing anti war nonsense its like dude you are in the military that's your job you are probably a volunteer, do your job. But Golem 1s attitude was just as bad at times. I suppose that there is an in between that needs to be hit between the two attitudes lol.
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Post by mattig89ch on Feb 12, 2019 21:52:29 GMT
Picked up the game Saturday, downloaded it Sunday, and have been playing it on the biggest tv in the house for the past 2 days. And...I'm kinda getting a little sick of it tbh. I can Feel where the micro-transactions are going to be put in the game. Buying new planes being a prime target. I haven't tried multi-player yet, but I'm actually kinda scared to now. Just because of how the single player game is balanced, makes me worried how badly the MP game play would be balanced.
Oh, and the enemy ace pilot is actually kinda irritating. That's not a spoiler, as every ace combat game has an enemy ace pilot btw. The crap he can pull on a regular basis, is just unfair. I think he can accelerate and decelerate at the drop of a hat. And I don't think he can stall at all. I'm on the easier setting, and there were several times where we were in a turning battle before I stalled hard. No idea why I didn't get shot with a missile right then, but I think that has to do with the difficulty setting.
All that aside, the game is quite fun. Really enjoying the graphics, story, and gameplay. And I'm even dying to enemy fire and collisions on the easiest setting. Just cause it says 'easy' does not make it so.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2019 23:21:10 GMT
Picked up the game Saturday, downloaded it Sunday, and have been playing it on the biggest tv in the house for the past 2 days. And...I'm kinda getting a little sick of it tbh. I can Feel where the micro-transactions are going to be put in the game. Buying new planes being a prime target. I haven't tried multi-player yet, but I'm actually kinda scared to now. Just because of how the single player game is balanced, makes me worried how badly the MP game play would be balanced. Oh, and the enemy ace pilot is actually kinda irritating. That's not a spoiler, as every ace combat game has an enemy ace pilot btw. The crap he can pull on a regular basis, is just unfair. I think he can accelerate and decelerate at the drop of a hat. And I don't think he can stall at all. I'm on the easier setting, and there were several times where we were in a turning battle before I stalled hard. No idea why I didn't get shot with a missile right then, but I think that has to do with the difficulty setting. All that aside, the game is quite fun. Really enjoying the graphics, story, and gameplay. And I'm even dying to enemy fire and collisions on the easiest setting. Just cause it says 'easy' does not make it so. there are micro transactions in the game? I mean the description of the game kind of begs the question of they are there but I haven't been asked to spend real money on it and all the stuff I've bought so far is from 'MRP'. I am a bit nervous that I will have to grind for a bit to get the best planes (like the 22) and play the game more then once and grind through the campaign...but of course the events of the campaign also would make it a bit weird to fly in such an elite gen 5 fighter. So much so I think I am going to stick to the F-16/ F-2 for the moment. Did two more missions today. My first 'anhilation' mission which was a treat. Though I wish I went in with the 2 then the 16 because I needed more missles and bombs...lawl. I only barely completed it before time ran out and well I took a LOT of fire. The second mission started off really annoying and then got really fun. Had to fly in the middle of a rock formation in heavy weather the rocks were blocking my missile fire which was so frustrating....BUT then I had to dog fight in there and it became a blast. Also I am really digging the environmental and weather effects making it more difficult to fly and I screamed each time a lightning bolt hit my plane.
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Post by mattig89ch on Feb 13, 2019 2:00:12 GMT
Picked up the game Saturday, downloaded it Sunday, and have been playing it on the biggest tv in the house for the past 2 days. And...I'm kinda getting a little sick of it tbh. I can Feel where the micro-transactions are going to be put in the game. Buying new planes being a prime target. I haven't tried multi-player yet, but I'm actually kinda scared to now. Just because of how the single player game is balanced, makes me worried how badly the MP game play would be balanced. Oh, and the enemy ace pilot is actually kinda irritating. That's not a spoiler, as every ace combat game has an enemy ace pilot btw. The crap he can pull on a regular basis, is just unfair. I think he can accelerate and decelerate at the drop of a hat. And I don't think he can stall at all. I'm on the easier setting, and there were several times where we were in a turning battle before I stalled hard. No idea why I didn't get shot with a missile right then, but I think that has to do with the difficulty setting. All that aside, the game is quite fun. Really enjoying the graphics, story, and gameplay. And I'm even dying to enemy fire and collisions on the easiest setting. Just cause it says 'easy' does not make it so. there are micro transactions in the game? I mean the description of the game kind of begs the question of they are there but I haven't been asked to spend real money on it and all the stuff I've bought so far is from 'MRP'. I am a bit nervous that I will have to grind for a bit to get the best planes (like the 22) and play the game more then once and grind through the campaign...but of course the events of the campaign also would make it a bit weird to fly in such an elite gen 5 fighter. So much so I think I am going to stick to the F-16/ F-2 for the moment. Not yet, but you have to agree to them in the EULA in order to play the game. So they are coming.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 13, 2019 2:42:12 GMT
I imagine like before the micro transactions will be cosmetics ala plane skins.
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Post by mattig89ch on Feb 19, 2019 1:24:11 GMT
I imagine your correct. I think I'm on the second to last game, and the story in and of itself is starting to make less and less sense to me. But the actual gameplay, and flying is just getting better and better! Killing Mr. X was amazingly fun. In the earlier fights, he was doing this that were simply impossible in the game. Which made him a whole lot less fun. Turning and weaving at angles no plane in the game should be able to do. Speeding up and slowing down way too fast, ect. But that last fight was fun.
Also, I think I'm in the last mission in the game right now. I just landed on the beached carrier, having to take my wing man to get some repairs.
Why can't the militaries communicate via radios? Seriously, how did knocking out the satellites in orbit, completely shut down *all* communication on the planet. I can guarantee you, computers can still talk to each other over entire continents w/out needing satellites. There are long range wifi antenna's, microwave transmitters, heck we could setup relays of ships/planes to re-estabish voice contact.
And why is the space elevator the target of everyone's hate? I get why the princess hates it, she thought it was taking advantage of folks. But why does she still want to destroy it, after realizing that it wasn't meant for that at all?
And how are all the ocean forces suddenly on board with saying 'hey, we know you are (or were) the leader of the folks that were just trying to kill us. So know we are 100% loyal to you, after seeing you hopeless'. I feel like that turnaround happened way to fast. One last thing, on one of the countries in the game. When did Belka nuke themselves? I don't remember ever having belka nuke the crap out of themselves in the games. I remember facing down the belkan airforce in 5. Man that was a great furball.
Did this happen in 6?
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Post by mattig89ch on Feb 19, 2019 1:49:26 GMT
Also, cool art find on artstation. It has a jet fighter
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 19, 2019 2:38:26 GMT
One last thing, on one of the countries in the game. When did Belka nuke themselves? I don't remember ever having belka nuke the crap out of themselves in the games. I remember facing down the belkan airforce in 5. Man that was a great furball.
Did this happen in 6? No, Ace Combat 6 follows the war between the Republic of Emmeria and the Federal Republic of Estovakia on the continent of Anea, northwest of the continent of Osea. What they're referring to happened in Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War, so before Ace Combat 5. And they never managed to nuke the whole country, only seven cities.
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Post by mattig89ch on Feb 19, 2019 17:46:54 GMT
One last thing, on one of the countries in the game. When did Belka nuke themselves? I don't remember ever having belka nuke the crap out of themselves in the games. I remember facing down the belkan airforce in 5. Man that was a great furball.
Did this happen in 6? No, Ace Combat 6 follows the war between the Republic of Emmeria and the Federal Republic of Estovakia on the continent of Anea, northwest of the continent of Osea. What they're referring to happened in Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War, so before Ace Combat 5. And they never managed to nuke the whole country, only seven cities. ooooohhhhhh, I vaguely remember that one. I didn't like zero much, so I didn't play it more then a few times. I played 4 & 5 so many times, that I can almost recite them.
Also, the story kinda took another turn back into sensible territory. I just beat it. And, thinking back, most of the other games stories took wild turns too. Overall, I'm glad I played this game. I only wish they'd release the past ace combat games on PC, so I could play them too.
7/10, would recommend. Especially to any past ace combat fan.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 19, 2019 23:08:50 GMT
So I did mission number...8 I think it was? The one with the sandstorm. Man that was a wild ride because I couldn't see the ground at all and I was skimming over the ground at 2000+ and only at like 400 feet...one of these days I really need to check on the units these games use for their distances so I can have an accurate picture. But yeah. Took me three times but only on the first conquest part, ironically I got through the sandstorm just fine.
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Post by Serza on Feb 20, 2019 10:44:42 GMT
Well, to illustrate, 400ft is deep in the weeds. At 600kt (1100-1200km/h) a tiny deviation on the artificial horizon puts you at 700ft/min climb/descent. You maintain that deviation for thirty seconds and you're either more than twice as high or dead.
If you're going around 1000kt (2000km/h) or even faster... Don't make mistakes.
What aircraft was that?
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Post by colfoley on Feb 21, 2019 1:33:50 GMT
Well, to illustrate, 400ft is deep in the weeds. At 600kt (1100-1200km/h) a tiny deviation on the artificial horizon puts you at 700ft/min climb/descent. You maintain that deviation for thirty seconds and you're either more than twice as high or dead. If you're going around 1000kt (2000km/h) or even faster... Don't make mistakes. What aircraft was that? For that mission I think I was playing with the F-2. It has always been an interesting internal observation in my mind what the displays in Ace Combat actually correspond to IRL measurements. I mean maybe it is a moot question given they probably want to let you get close to the bad guys so that you have to 'dog fight' more when you have regular missles equipped and we know these games aren't the most realistic, but its always been something I've wondered. I mean in the past these games always seemed too slow and too close but now if anything its the opposite. Anyways last night I played 'Faceless Soldier' and 'Transfer Orders'. After I did my research and saw that the F-18 has a rail gun on it I was itching to try it out...and well it stinks. I mean I don't think it has the damage that it is supposed to have and you have to be really precise. And I died, and I died, and I died, and died again on Faceless Soldier which was annoying because I put off playing HZD for it. Anyways some further spoilerish thoughts on Faceless Soldier Well I now have my new favorite piece of music from this game. The music and the cutscene were absolutley chilling when all the fighters formed up on Trigger.
And I definitley think that Bandog intentionally had High Band shot down. He asked for his specific location and just another gut punch when this game has delivered so many. And for Transfer Order I'm not sure I like how quickly Trigger got paradoned. I mean I guess they couldn't keep it up for much longer but looking into it I am essentially at the half way point in the game. That and there has been no mention of what actually killed Harling yet in my game so that's annoying.
Also its starting to get annoying how many super weapons they keep throwing at us. Faceless Soldier added Helios and Transfer Orders added a Super Drone. Obviously don't actually know how things will break down but the Space Elevator, Sol Squadron, the Aresenal Bird and the Drones, and Helios are all things we might have to deal with in the future of this game. Gonna be interesting.
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Post by Serza on Feb 21, 2019 8:05:23 GMT
The F-2, as in, the Japanese version of the F-16?
From what I gather, Ace Combat has IR missiles as the base, with stuff like 4AAM and such being some variation of radar guidance. This is actually a big difference from reality, IMHO, as I can't see myself ever wanting to merge in a modern fight, even with AIM-9X.
By the way, I don't know if AC7 missiles are accurate in terms of being like some missile, but they're definitely not like any AIM-9 reasonably used on planes like the F-16 and the F/A-18 (in fact, F/A-18 and F-15 are the lead birds for the new X-Rays with their HOBS capability). They seem to always point their nose on target, while the modern AIM-9s attempt and intercept course.
Effectively, radar-guided missiles play the prime in reality, while in AC universe, the roles are reversed and instead IR guided missiles take the lead. It makes for nice looking gameplay in a game that is literally about having fun in close-up dogfights, not by scanning for enemies 40 naval miles out, doing an f-pole and sending a missile 25 miles out and only ever seeing the wreckage if you don't break off. 10/10, much more fun in the game than the real deal would be.
As for mentions, oh, they'll come. A particular thing you're referencing is actually a build-up for that revelation, and that's pretty awesome because you don't catch it until it's there!
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Post by colfoley on Feb 22, 2019 8:29:35 GMT
THIS MUSIC IS SO FECKING SAD
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