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Post by Heimdall on Jan 30, 2019 18:19:45 GMT
A lot of people on the similar Solas’ thread thought this would be an interesting question.
I can’t say much myself as I was actually spoiled about him before I got to the revelation and I honestly paid him the least attention of the companions before that.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 30, 2019 18:24:40 GMT
I'll tell you what set alarm bells off for me regarding Blackwall: the dialogue where he says he was in Ferelden during the Blight. That clued me in to the fact that he was a lying liar who lies.
After that, the telltale signs piled up. Iron Bull commenting that something seemed "off" about Blackwall, the fact that he couldn't seem to sense darkspawn, etc. I was not terribly shocked to learn he was not really a Warden.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 30, 2019 18:52:15 GMT
Not at all, because I barely talked to him or took him in parties. I appreciate that Bioware offers a nice spread of character types, so every player can find someone they resonate with. For me, personally, I really can’t resonate with companions who constantly go off on Honor And Duty. Makes me feel like I’m talking to an army recruitment poster rather than an actual person.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 30, 2019 19:05:05 GMT
Not at all. Unlike some here, I don't expect all grey wardens to know all the ins and outs of being a grey warden; and I did find it plausible that, during the Blight, he traveled around, recruiting as he's always done.
However, I don't think that should be attached to "may not have even recruited him." To me, those are two separate things as you could certainly have recruited him and not been suspicious, not bothered do recruit him at all, or specifically refused to recruit him because you were suspicious.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 30, 2019 19:24:46 GMT
However, I don't think that should be attached to "may not have even recruited him." To me, those are two separate things as you could certainly have recruited him and not been suspicious, not bothered do recruit him at all, or specifically refused to recruit him because you were suspicious. Good point I changed a few things.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 30, 2019 19:47:00 GMT
I only thought his story was off initially because if he was in Ferelden he should have known about and been attached to Vigil's Keep. However, it turned out that DAA seemed to have been airbrushed out of existence so far as the connection with the Wardens was concerned. Many Wardens do have a dodgy past so the fact he preferred to keep to a solitary path could have been put down to that, although his story about what he was doing during the Blight definitely didn't ring true.
Once we made contact with Hawke's Warden contact, then I started getting more suspicious because it was clear he was so totally out of the loop with regard to what was going on with the Wardens but it wasn't enough to really disturb me, probably because he hadn't featured much in my party except when I was planning on having dealings with the Wardens. After Crestwood it seemed that his alleged Grey Warden status wasn't much of an asset after all, so I mostly left him back at base.
Technically, once you have been signed up by a member of the order you are regarded as a Grey Warden even before you take the Joining. Since the real Blackwall would seem to have recruited him before he died, he was a Grey Warden, just not a fully initiated one. So strangely enough, for me it would have been less suspicious if he had just stated he was someone who had recently joined the Order and given a non descript alias rather than claiming to be a veteran Grey Warden, who should have been in possession of a full uniform like all the rest.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Jan 30, 2019 20:19:31 GMT
I didn't have any real reason to doubt him. But since my first Inquisitor didn't find him that interesting or use him much (I already had Cassandra, why would I need another tank?), his plot unfolded without me knowing him well.
So my the time I did get to know him (on subsequent playthroughs), I already knew his backstory, so the hints all looked really obvious.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 30, 2019 20:52:22 GMT
I ended up spoiling myself about it when I looked up how to trigger his personal quest, because it was taking too damn long.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 30, 2019 21:04:19 GMT
I thought he certainly wasn't a Grey Warden because he didn't know more about them than the average guy or girl out there.
I didn't expect a sinister background though, more something like a Grey Warden wannabe who had chickened out of the Joining and now pretended that he had done it.
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Post by Reznore on Jan 30, 2019 21:39:33 GMT
I was not that suspicious because I took Blackwall to Adamant and I let him make a speech to his fellow wardens. Although the dead dog talk at the tavern send some warning bells, and I thought there was something wrong with him. I thought he probably did something awful before becoming a warden.
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Post by FrodosCat on Jan 30, 2019 21:53:57 GMT
I more or less believed him. Some of the things he was saying had me going "Huh" but I fully believed he was a Grey Warden. I just figured he was a Grey Warden who did something bad to another Warden (or the brotherhood) or was the cause of another Warden's demise. The whole encounter in Val Royeaux caught me by surprise.
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Post by Julilla on Jan 30, 2019 22:01:57 GMT
I thought he was being cagey, because Warden. I mean, we did learn in Origins that they sure as hell don't tell the whole truth to the public. So I attributed his stuff about Grey Warden swords have to be used to kill an Archdemon as either a) he's as ignorant as Alistair and I were about that whole mishegas, or no way in hell is going to be spilling Warden secrets.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 23:49:20 GMT
Blackwall completely surprised me. I was so pissed I left his ass in the dungeon, LOL...ah, good times. 😂
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Post by romice on Jan 31, 2019 6:05:39 GMT
I think I knew something didn't add up from his "I was in Farelden during the Blight" line, but I didn't think it was that much of a deal, so I largely ignored that. Big mistake
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 31, 2019 9:06:33 GMT
I knew he wasn't a Grey Warden and that he'd done something awful - I romanced him my first time around and both are pretty obvious in those circumstances. Before you sleep with him the game makes it clear that 1) he has done something he's deeply ashamed of and 2) there is absolutely no way he is going to tell you what it is.
The details were still surprising, because before the truth came out I was sure he'd killed the real Blackwall in order to take his place.
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Post by Wilding on Jan 31, 2019 9:13:50 GMT
no, because after playing DA:O, I knew he was lying about being a GW.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 31, 2019 10:18:52 GMT
only part where I found him suspicious was when I brought him along to Valammar and he couldn't tell me how many darkspawn there'd be I mean, technically he didn't lie, even Alistair during Ostagar couldn't estimate the exact number of darkspawn in the Wilds at that given point (Alistair: thousands, ten's of thousands?) but come on Blackwall, at least make a random guess
what I also found odd was that Hawke's Warden contact (Stroud/Loghain/Alistair) didn't make some sort of comment when Blackwall said the fake calling wasn't bothering him I mean...shouldn't they be able to tell he was lying?
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jan 31, 2019 10:32:19 GMT
I was suspicious of him right from the get go, for a number of reasons:
1: He claimed to be in Ferelden during the Blight, well, then why not join up with HoF? Strength in numbers & all that, especially for the Battle of Denerim as a 'Warden' he should've known he'd be needed.
2: when going into the Dwarven smuggling caves (can't remember the name right now) he was unable to say how any Darkspawn there were, that made no sense whatsoever.
3: Leliana knew that he wasn't who he said he was straight away & the pause in her dialogue brought that home.
4: His anger when you asked him how to kill an Archdemon & that there has to be more than 'sticking it with swords', ok secrets & all, but not even a hint of something more???
5: During the conversation with Stroud/Alistair/Logain when asked about the false calling & simply says that Cory has no hold over him, not even a hint of mentioning the false calling.
6: What Nightmare says too him, that's when it really fell into place for me.
7: At the Winter Palace, the drunk noble knew him (by then I'd guessed he wasn't who he said he was)
So when I heard that he'd gone to the execution on Mornay, there was no shock whatsoever to find out he was really the guilty party, I'd sussed it out long before
This list was put together in the order of my first playthough.
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Post by Jarovbees on Jan 31, 2019 18:28:32 GMT
There were too many hints that something was off, but what pinged my 'not a Warden' radar was that discussion about how to kill an Archdemon. There's no way a seasoned Grey Warden wouldn't know the real answer to that. And yeah, not being subjected to the Calling at all? Huge red flag.
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Post by Liadan on Jan 31, 2019 18:57:08 GMT
I had some suspicions that he wasn't a warden, especially in two occasions: when the inquisitor asked him about how many darkspawn were in Valammar he doesn't gave a straight answer for it and the way he dismiss the threat of the false calling for himself when talking with warden Strout/Alistair/Loghain.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jan 31, 2019 19:35:02 GMT
The thing about being in Ferelden during the blight was a huge red flag to me. No doubt you could find some justification, but from a storytelling point of view it was clearly meant to make people who'd played Origins suspicious of him. Then there's the note from the real Blackwall you find in Leliana's aviary which states he was not in Ferelden during the Blight.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 1, 2019 8:16:23 GMT
Much as Sylvius above, I didn't pay much attention to him since I didn't find him interesting at first glance. I recall something seemed slightly off at some point - I think it was at Skyhold when he dismissed the false Calling in such an offhand manner - but I didn't pay attention to it and soon forgot it. Later, at the time his true story was revealed, I was already spoiled.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 1, 2019 9:38:01 GMT
Over 600 hours of DAI playthroughs and I am yet to use the guy regularly in the party, let alone bother checking his romance. Least interesting party member. I couldn't care less when he got thrown in jail. I got only a few saves where he even shows up in Trespasser and all I get is someone commenting "you know, turns out he wasn't a warden and now no one knows where he is". My disinterest/choices often leads to him not owing up for his past and he never admits he isn't a warden.
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 1, 2019 15:12:58 GMT
I did not use him too much in the 1st play though so he was mostly quest fodder. I was surprised though, caught me off guard. A nice twist by BioWare.
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Post by sageoflife on Feb 2, 2019 3:49:03 GMT
There were two moments that, when taken together, really set off red flags for me.
The first was in the Fade, and Nightmare said that Blackwall was nothing like a Warden.
The second was a party banter where he asked Sera if she saw many Grey Wardens during the Blight. If he was really who he said he was, he would have known how few there were, which combined with the moment in the Fade really made me think he might not be a Warden.
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