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Post by Iddy on Jan 31, 2019 2:08:12 GMT
There are so many whispers about EA and Bioware being in crisis.
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Post by apollexander on Jan 31, 2019 2:22:57 GMT
If it is at risk, they would not tease us in TGA.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 31, 2019 3:15:36 GMT
Electronic Arts' stock took a beating over the last three months, but it's starting to rally again, likely because of Anthem's impending release. (NOTE: APEX LEGENDS HAD NOT RELEASED AT THE TIME OF THIS POST.)
I've theorized in the past that if Anthem did very poorly, they might shutter BioWare. Conversely, if Anthem did extremely well, EA might dedicate BioWare to developing content for Anthem full-time.
However, I now think Anthem is going to be the middle-of-the-road success needed to ensure DA's survival.
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Post by Iddy on Jan 31, 2019 3:44:10 GMT
Electronic Arts' stock took a beating over the last three months, but it's starting to rally again, likely because of Anthem's impending release.
I've theorized in the past that if Anthem did very poorly, they might shutter BioWare. Conversely, if Anthem did extremely well, EA might dedicate BioWare to developing content for Anthem full-time.
However, I now think Anthem is going to be the middle-of-the-road success needed to ensure DA's survival. I've seen a lot of talk about boycotting Anthem to punish EA.
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 31, 2019 4:15:01 GMT
If "Anthem" doesn't do well (it will but we'll go with it for the sake of argument), there will likely be some downsizing/cuts in certain areas of the "Anthem" team but "DA4" will still be a go since there is a demand and it's in development. If "DA4" tanks then, yeah, be concerned.
Those looking to punish Anthem/BioWare because of EA (which is hilarious since EA has owned BioWare for over 11 years) are minute but vocal and, ultimately, inconsequential.
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Post by Fredward on Jan 31, 2019 4:43:11 GMT
If Anthem totally bombs I can see EA saying they're done throwing good money after bad, maaaybe. You could as easily say they'd be up to their ears in sunk cost fallacy and not be willing to pull the plug. But I really don't think Anthem is going to bomb, I get generally good vibes (so basically science) from it. Plus DA is in a position where it's the last Bioware IP that generates unmitigated goodwill and more than it ever has in its history, I think they'll give it a last huzzah at least and hopefully not gank it completely with whatever live service may or may not wind up entailing.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 31, 2019 4:59:27 GMT
No, they aren't. Bioware has yet to make a game that hasn't made a profit and DAI was their best-selling game. There is no reason why EA would pull the plug on DA4.
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 31, 2019 5:06:00 GMT
No, they aren't. Bioware has yet to make a game that hasn't made a profit and DAI was their best-selling game. There is no reason why EA would pull the plug on DA4. Yep, despite it's issues at launch, even "ME:A" performed well per EAs own comments to investors. BioWare should be safe unless something seriously goes bad over the next couple of games
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jan 31, 2019 5:34:00 GMT
Save the drama, stay with momma. EA knows best.
... that BioWare games are profitable AF.
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Post by mikoto on Jan 31, 2019 18:45:44 GMT
I'm glad Iddy posted this thread because I had the same concerns about DA4's future being tied to how well Anthem sold.
But it looks like I don't have to worry about it. Consider me cautiously relieved though I admit I'll feel better once the Anthem numbers are in.
Now I can go back to judging whether its a game I want to play, vs a game I'd buy anyway to do my tiny part in trying to secure DA4's future.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jan 31, 2019 23:36:17 GMT
I'm not sure where these rumours come from, but haven't BW's game hit their sales targets? Even ME:A which was a critical mess at launch, as well as having many, bugs, even that, according to the investors call, made its money, so, if that's the case & EA judge their studios based on sales (makes sense), then that would mean that BW are a-ok.
But that is just my opinion, I'm the guy that said I'd wait until there was an official announcement about no ME:A dlc, was laughed at, but we did get an announcement & so, I'll wait & see what happens, I do doubt that BW are going anywhere soon, but, only time will tell.
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Post by Starfang on Feb 1, 2019 7:10:10 GMT
EA/Bioware can't possibly be in any worse shape than Bethesda is at the moment, so I'm at least optimistic we'll get a DA4 at some point.
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 1, 2019 7:24:46 GMT
If Anthem bombs and they decide to kill Bioware, I'd imagine they do it slowly. They still need to support Anthem for a few years, SWTOR has an expansion coming, and DA4 has probably had a significant amount of work put into it. Murdering Bioware overnight wouldn't make sense.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 1, 2019 7:30:08 GMT
I don't think you should be worried about whether DA4 is going to be made or not, it definitely is. The more pressing issue is how Anthems success or lack there of is going to affect what kind of game DA4 will be.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 1, 2019 8:10:28 GMT
*shrug*
If it happens, it happens. I don't think it will, and I would definitely be disappointed if it did, but if so, it's not the end of the world. I'm done with being emotionally dependent on the success of video game manufacturers.
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Post by julian on Feb 1, 2019 15:00:05 GMT
I have yet to buy and play anything made by Bioware past DA2. Not because of "principles" or other some-such nonsense. My laptop is a toaster and I have other things to throw money at... like food, utilities, parents' meds, detergent, clothes, cigarettes and the weekly can of beer or cheap bottle of wine. Oh well, at least I can watch the playthroughs once it comes out.
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 1, 2019 15:09:32 GMT
Electronic Arts' stock took a beating over the last three months, but it's starting to rally again, likely because of Anthem's impending release.
I've theorized in the past that if Anthem did very poorly, they might shutter BioWare. Conversely, if Anthem did extremely well, EA might dedicate BioWare to developing content for Anthem full-time.
However, I now think Anthem is going to be the middle-of-the-road success needed to ensure DA's survival. I've seen a lot of talk about boycotting Anthem to punish EA. This makes so much sense. Like none at all.
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Post by wickedcool on Feb 2, 2019 0:03:20 GMT
I’d say it depends on how much money anthem makes and was andromeda a mess. .
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Post by cankiie on Feb 2, 2019 9:36:53 GMT
Electronic Arts' stock took a beating over the last three months, but it's starting to rally again, likely because of Anthem's impending release.
I've theorized in the past that if Anthem did very poorly, they might shutter BioWare. Conversely, if Anthem did extremely well, EA might dedicate BioWare to developing content for Anthem full-time.
However, I now think Anthem is going to be the middle-of-the-road success needed to ensure DA's survival. I've seen a lot of talk about boycotting Anthem to punish EA. Well, more and more people are waking up to shitty business practises. I am not sure if it is a small, vocal minority either, as some might believe. That population is either big enough or atleast loud enough (I believe the latter) to cause a total uproar which ended up making EA(Dice) change how Star Wars: Battlefront 2 was going to play out. Big enough to cause some "serious" damage to the Battlefield franchise. Obviously it sold well, but it sold way below expectations. Same thing could very well happen to Anthem, especially considering how EA and Bioware is currently snaking their way around with their microtransactions "Okay, set the prices like that, leak it and then state that these prices are subject to change... if people are very mad, we reduce the prices, we not, keep the prices." People are skeptical of EA and every studio under EA currently and rightly so, atleast the wiser parts of the gaming community are. Bioware today is not the same bioware that released DA:O so it is entirely fair to throw them into the fire as well. We'll see how Anthem will be doing, DA4 release may not depend on how Anthem is doing... but it certainly will shape how people view Bioware and the perception of their products in the future. DA4 may very well be released, but if Anthem ends up bad, DA4 may end up as a financial loss.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 2, 2019 11:08:49 GMT
"Okay, set the prices like that, leak it and then state that these prices are subject to change... if people are very mad, we reduce the prices, we not, keep the prices." I’m sorry but this is some conspiracy theory bullshit. Dantics confirmed that whoever leaked the screenshot got it from a play test he attended. There’s zero indication that this was some insider effort to gauge consumer reaction. Especially since the idea that $1 = 100 shards is purely speculative and not revealed by any leak. That isn’t a universal exchange rate that all MTX models use, Warframe doesn’t for example. Oh, only the wise channel their irrational loathing of a video game publisher into the wallets of clickbait YouTube channels willing to tell them what they want to hear because negative spin get’s the most clicks? People will give you a lot if only you’ll feed them they idea that their preconceptions were right. That may have been unfair. I can understand people being wary of the publisher after some of their decisions, but so many people seem to have allowed that distrust to metastasize into a self feeding toxicity that seems less interested in deciding whether a game is good (and responding in a rational manner by buying or not buying it then) and more interested in punishing the company because of past mistakes. I don’t like EA upper management, I think they’re remarkable out of touch and oblivious in their decision making at times, but that doesn’t make the mob mentality of their detractors any more “wise”. This is something that has bugged me for months. You can be skeptical of a company’s decisions without forming a hate circlejerk that appends “but it’s EA, so they’ll definitely fuck it up” and the most nefarious of intentions to even the most positive impressions about a game to assert how “wise” they are to their peers. As for the topic of the thread. I don’t think you have anything to worry about. They wouldn’t have teased DA4 in December if it had not already been greenlit for production. Anthem will succeed in initial sales, all indications are that preorders have been strong. So I very much doubt that will be an issue. I actually think EA is realizing their decision to reduce the number of releases they do has made each release a bigger risk and will probably be looking to develop more of their franchises going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 11:35:40 GMT
ME:A canceled its DLCs, was interrupted, but it was a success. Yeah no, I don't buy it. when a game is successfull, you try to give new content whether with the solo content or the multiplayer content. It didn't happen at all. People are so naive. " according to a public statement " "
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 2, 2019 11:51:16 GMT
ME:A canceled its DLCs, was interrupted, but it was a success. Yeah no, I don't buy it. when a game is successfull, you try to give new content whether with the solo content or the multiplayer content. It didn't happen at all. People are so naive. " according to a public statement " " That’s an interesting case actually. Let’s me put it this way: a game can be successful enough to turn a good profit while not reaching the levels the publisher hoped for from an established franchise. The boondoggle of the development process also revealed the inadequacies of the Montreal studio and sent the message to the higher ups that they could not produce Mass Effect content without being bailed out from the other studios. The 18 month sprint that gave us Andromeda as we know it basically put all of Bioware’s other projects, including Anthem, on a dead stop because of that. It’s my belief that unwillingness to trust Montreal on its own or further delay already delayed projects are probably why Andromeda DLC wasn’t developed.
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Post by cankiie on Feb 2, 2019 17:32:18 GMT
Oh, only the wise channel their irrational loathing of a video game publisher into the wallets of clickbait YouTube channels willing to tell them what they want to hear because negative spin get’s the most clicks? People will give you a lot if only you’ll feed them they idea that their preconceptions were right. You can only hope to change something if you speak up, afterall. That may have been unfair. I can understand people being wary of the publisher after some of their decisions, but so many people seem to have allowed that distrust to metastasize into a self feeding toxicity that seems less interested in deciding whether a game is good (and responding in a rational manner by buying or not buying it then) and more interested in punishing the company because of past mistakes. I don’t like EA upper management, I think they’re remarkable out of touch and oblivious in their decision making at times, but that doesn’t make the mob mentality of their detractors any more “wise”. Some of these lines is just totally ignoring the fact that people are constantly bashing, and voicing their concern in regards to what is constantly being implented into the games by EA. Lootboxes, microtransactions, etc etc. Rationale and respect for the company was tried years ago, yet EA kept going, hell, not only did they keep going they got far worse. Now, I am not entirely sure of how young you are or for how long you have been involved with video games. But EA is not exactly a young company and have been around for quite long now, and these practises are not exactly new. It is no wonder that they get the heat they get... and in all honesty, they deserve it. This is something that has bugged me for months. You can be skeptical of a company’s decisions without forming a hate circlejerk that appends “but it’s EA, so they’ll definitely fuck it up” and the most nefarious of intentions to even the most positive impressions about a game to assert how “wise” they are to their peers. That'd be many people's experience talking. EA do tend to fuck it up. Anthem will succeed in initial sales, all indications are that preorders have been strong. As per usual. Then again, a lot of games have had supposed successes in their initial sales, as is noted with ME:A in the posts above. Thing is though, does it live up to the expectations of the investors?
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Post by Artemis on Feb 2, 2019 20:35:31 GMT
"Okay, set the prices like that, leak it and then state that these prices are subject to change... if people are very mad, we reduce the prices, we not, keep the prices." I’m sorry but this is some conspiracy theory bullshit. Dantics confirmed that whoever leaked the screenshot got it from a play test he attended. There’s zero indication that this was some insider effort to gauge consumer reaction. Especially since the idea that $1 = 100 shards is purely speculative and not revealed by any leak. That isn’t a universal exchange rate that all MTX models use, Warframe doesn’t for example. Oh, only the wise channel their irrational loathing of a video game publisher into the wallets of clickbait YouTube channels willing to tell them what they want to hear because negative spin get’s the most clicks? People will give you a lot if only you’ll feed them they idea that their preconceptions were right. That may have been unfair. I can understand people being wary of the publisher after some of their decisions, but so many people seem to have allowed that distrust to metastasize into a self feeding toxicity that seems less interested in deciding whether a game is good (and responding in a rational manner by buying or not buying it then) and more interested in punishing the company because of past mistakes. I don’t like EA upper management, I think they’re remarkable out of touch and oblivious in their decision making at times, but that doesn’t make the mob mentality of their detractors any more “wise”. This is something that has bugged me for months. You can be skeptical of a company’s decisions without forming a hate circlejerk that appends “but it’s EA, so they’ll definitely fuck it up” and the most nefarious of intentions to even the most positive impressions about a game to assert how “wise” they are to their peers. As for the topic of the thread. I don’t think you have anything to worry about. They wouldn’t have teased DA4 in December if it had not already been greenlit for production. Anthem will succeed in initial sales, all indications are that preorders have been strong. So I very much doubt that will be an issue. I actually think EA is realizing their decision to reduce the number of releases they do has made each release a bigger risk and will probably be looking to develop more of their franchises going forward. This nonsense has been going on since DA2. I joined BSN around 2012, a few months after the game came out. I was so in love with it, and eager to connect with other fans. What I found was a viper's nest of hatred and vitriol. I was super disappointed, and even began to doubt my own taste and opinions. I played DAO, since this was universally lauded as he far superior game, and didn't enjoy it as much as DA2. But again, I thought, maybe I am just a less sophisticated gamer. Surely, all these extremely loud and vulgar people know better than me. Then ME3 came out. I was very, very curious, because I'd never played a space RPG, and so I started reading about the plot, and the characters, and the romance possibilities. I so enjoyed my Hawkes and their romances and that fun world that I decided to give ME3 a try. But then ME3 came out, and it happened all over again. I changed my mind. Surely, the critics were right. This must be the worst game BioWare had ever produced. Well, eventually I couldn't take it anymore. I kept seeing videos of playthroughs, and I was falling in love with Kaidan in particular and wondering what my Shepard would look like, so I finally bought the game and played it in two weeks at my brother in law's house (didn't have my own xbox at the time). Wow. I'd never been so emotionally moved by a game EVER. I was CRYING as the credits rolled. I quickly bought an xbox for myself and bought the entire trilogy. Freaking. Loved it. Read online that "ME2 was the best of the trilogy," found myself disagreeing, yet again; for me it was a tie between 1 and 3. But again, I wondered if I was just ignorant of such things. (I particularly disliked ME2 because the female characters all thought I wanted to sleep with them, and it was very awkward and embarrassing, but despite that, still a pretty fun game... despite the silly giant robot baby at the end lmao). Next up, DAI: Whelp, at this point I knew not to listen to BioWare "fans." I preordered. I was fiercely disappointed by the romances, but I played that damn game. Then mods came out, and I played it even more, and more, and again and again, and damn it, I enjoyed it. Then MEA came out. All that romance drama happened, and I was bummed, but DAMN IT I BOUGHT IT AND PLAYED IT. And. I liked it. I loved it. People making reasonable criticisms had me nodding along with them; people on BSN screaming about SJW and dumbing down the game and EAWare got insta-blocks from me. So yeah, I'm gonna buy DA4, no question, and I bet I'm gonna love it, and all the people who lose their fucking minds over a woman with a square jaw or an undercut can just scream their asses off into oblivion cause I got their asses blocked and can't see it anyway xD
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