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Post by Ieldra on Feb 12, 2019 19:08:30 GMT
Why on Earth would investors listen to quarterly earnings reports when they could just watch Jim Sterling and AngryJoe instead? LOL, yes. You know things aren't good if a review starts with "You know, X is not a bad game." Thankfully, I don't think I heard that about DAI.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 14, 2019 4:34:03 GMT
Workable, as long as we want "failure " to include everything from a mild disappointment to Kingdoms of Amalur. I actually rather enjoyed KA I've heard it wasn't that bad myself, and the final scores ended up being pretty decent after some early review bombing. . (Someday I'll clear my backlog and give it a try myself.) But if we're talking about failure, it's the rare game which sells half the units needed to break even and destroys its developer.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 14, 2019 5:07:53 GMT
I actually rather enjoyed KA I've heard it wasn't that bad myself, and the final scores ended up being pretty decent after some early review bombing. . (Someday I'll clear my backlog and give it a try myself.) But if we're talking about failure, it's the rare game which sells half the units needed to break even and destroys its developer. If we're specifically talking about "financial failure" (which isn't clear since people seem to be using the word at random), then Kingdoms of Amalur is pretty much the perfect example.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 14, 2019 16:48:24 GMT
He wanted to count financials. I'm just playing along.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 14, 2019 17:24:27 GMT
Considering that greedy assholes like EA, Activision et al consider "failure" to be non-delivery of the moon plus interest, it can be tough to gauge.
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Post by mmoblitz on Feb 15, 2019 11:23:38 GMT
Remember that EA, Activision, ect are all publishers and making your money back and a tidy profit doesn't cut it. They have to show and unsustainable growth year over year or it's not meeting expectations. You can never earn enough money in the corporate world.
Anthem will do fine at launch, it's how long the game can keep players playing that is in question and I think DA4 will be fine.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 15, 2019 19:08:13 GMT
The weird thing for me is that even if I did buy Anthem -- still on the fence about that -- I'm so invulnerable to MTX strategies that even if I played it, I wouldn't understand why it was or wasn't working.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 18, 2019 6:08:44 GMT
So I've been distantly eyeballing the response to Anthem and while I still don't think (hope?) they'll axe Bioware it might get a little sweaty. EA has really high expectations for Anthem, they're shelling out what must be an insane amount of money for marketing (hiring out a corner in Times Square for example) but what I thought was a good idea, this iterative kind of release resulting in hopefully iterative improvements and sorta gradually shaping expectations just seems to be turning people off before the big release. It might not matter, you have to own it to be disappointed but if the word of mouth disappointment is big enough it might dent those extremely ambitious sales numbers EA is expecting.
I'm not expecting a bomb, I might be expecting not AS rosy a forecast as they are. I don't want them to fail both because I dislike what that might entail and because I never want to be the kind of person who joyfully cheers for someone to fail but a lesson along the lines of: "we should stop chasing fads and let the storytelling SP studio tell SP stories" wouldn't hurt. Making a Destiny clone didn't sound like a bad idea when we first started hearing rumors of Anthem but times change, hopefully what they take out of this isn't "OH I KNOW LET'S MAKE A FORTNITE CLONE." Despite SP being "dead" critically and commercial success in that genre has been the one constant since they started working on Anthem.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 18, 2019 10:41:29 GMT
I don't want them to fail both because I dislike what that might entail and because I never want to be the kind of person who joyfully cheers for someone to fail but a lesson along the lines of: "we should stop chasing fads and let the storytelling SP studio tell SP stories" wouldn't hurt.
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 13:22:37 GMT
Why is everyone convinced that Anthem failing would affect DA4 ? They are already working on this game, it isn't going to change anything regardless of the results of Anthem.
I actually want that game to fail, quite badly done and that shouldn't have any rewards, EA also having bad predatory pratices. Even the writting, which is supposed to be the strength of Bioware, is lame. Never thought they could do even worse than Andromeda that was just okay, sometime cringe worthy.
I see this game selling at the beginning thanks to the preo-orders, but after a few weeks, once people finally realize how boring, badly designed and uninteresting, with a few technical issues this game is, the units sold will quickly fall.
The first reviews released aren't really good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 13:25:26 GMT
I'm also wondering if the team that worked on Andromeda wasn't the same for Anthem, because the way the uninteresting main and side quests and dialogues are done, are weirdly very similar to Andromeda.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Feb 18, 2019 14:03:46 GMT
Anthem is tanking as it seems. I would say good luck surviving 2019 for Bioware. Too many people want to see them get closed.
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 18, 2019 16:27:52 GMT
Anthem was always going to be a risk because it's so different than what Bioware is known for. That's why I really don't understand why DA4 wasn't put first especially after what happened with MEA and the huge success that DAI had. Just seems stupid to me.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 18, 2019 17:41:17 GMT
So I've been distantly eyeballing the response to Anthem and while I still don't think (hope?) they'll axe Bioware it might get a little sweaty. EA has really high expectations for Anthem, they're shelling out what must be an insane amount of money for marketing (hiring out a corner in Times Square for example) but what I thought was a good idea, this iterative kind of release resulting in hopefully iterative improvements and sorta gradually shaping expectations just seems to be turning people off before the big release. It might not matter, you have to own it to be disappointed but if the word of mouth disappointment is big enough it might dent those extremely ambitious sales numbers EA is expecting. It's like they're copying the worst aspects of Paradox's business model.
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Post by Frost on Feb 18, 2019 18:34:16 GMT
Why is everyone convinced that Anthem failing would affect DA4 ? They are already working on this game, it isn't going to change anything regardless of the results of Anthem. I actually want that game to fail, quite badly done and that shouldn't have any rewards, EA also having bad predatory pratices. Even the writting, which is supposed to be the strength of Bioware, is lame. Never thought they could do even worse than Andromeda that was just okay, sometime cringe worthy. I see this game selling at the beginning thanks to the preo-orders, but after a few weeks, once people finally realize how boring, badly designed and uninteresting, with a few technical issues this game is, the units sold will quickly fall. The first reviews released aren't really good. For me it is more being concerned rather than being convinced. EA has closed many studios in the past and has been against single player games for a long time now. Anthem was a huge mistake. Hopefully, it won't take DA4 down with it.
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Post by inquisitor007 on Feb 19, 2019 17:27:04 GMT
One concern I do have is that Anthem doesn't just underperform, it absolutely bombs. After the debacle of Andromeda this could be the deathblow for the studio. EA could decide that BioWare's brand is essentially ruined beyond repair and cuts its losses accordingly.
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Post by tarka33 on Feb 19, 2019 20:03:11 GMT
Why is everyone convinced that Anthem failing would affect DA4 ? They are already working on this game, it isn't going to change anything regardless of the results of Anthem. I haven’t been worried about DA4 being affected by Anthem, for just this reason - there’s too much invested in it by now. At least, I wasn’t, until I saw In the Anthem Twitter thread, Hrungr posted a link to a polygon article about Anthem and there’s a paragraph that says something along the lines of: There’s a great deal of uncertainty about what anthem means for BioWare and if it doesn’t do well some tough decisions will follow. I believe it’s called The State of BioWare on Polygon. If it was a single player game, I would’ve already bought it. But the multiplayer aspect *really* turns me off. But every time I read this I keep thinking its an investment in DA4 and I need to buy it (waiting for payday).
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 20, 2019 5:41:33 GMT
Anthem will turn off some core fans, but the fact that it’s a multiplayer game will appeal to some who would normally stay away from BioWare RPGs.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 21, 2019 15:07:35 GMT
Why is everyone convinced that Anthem failing would affect DA4 ? They are already working on this game, it isn't going to change anything regardless of the results of Anthem. I haven’t been worried about DA4 being affected by Anthem, for just this reason - there’s too much invested in it by now. At least, I wasn’t, until I saw In the Anthem Twitter thread, Hrungr posted a link to a polygon article about Anthem and there’s a paragraph that says something along the lines of: There’s a great deal of uncertainty about what anthem means for BioWare and if it doesn’t do well some tough decisions will follow. I believe it’s called The State of BioWare on Polygon. If it was a single player game, I would’ve already bought it. But the multiplayer aspect *really* turns me off. But every time I read this I keep thinking its an investment in DA4 and I need to buy it (waiting for payday). Yeah if it was a single player game I'd have jumped all over it as it looks a lot of fun. All tha tflying around blowing things up in those Javelins. The graphics look really nice too. But the fact it's an MMO and the fact that I'm no tgreat at games like that is what's stopping me from being fully committed and probably the only thing that's stopping me from buying it. I suppose if I stuck to easy settings on the difficulty I might not have a problem playing missions solo because Bioware's games thankfully aren't that hard once you understand the mechanics but I'd rather have a good RPG style system with a well told story that's a good single player experience like what Bioware have done with both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 19:56:26 GMT
Ayaaaa ! The reviews are coming one after the other, hours after hours. Astonishing how it is bad. It's even worse than i thought LMAOOO ! The shock from the fanboys is so delicious !
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Post by Sifr on Feb 21, 2019 20:18:34 GMT
Anthem was always going to be a risk because it's so different than what Bioware is known for. That's why I really don't understand why DA4 wasn't put first especially after what happened with MEA and the huge success that DAI had. Just seems stupid to me. Agreed, DA4 should have been slated to come out first.
If they had, they might have seen the lukewarm response that Fallout 76 got from Bethesda, enough that they might have considered canning Anthem entirely. People don't really seem all that interested in multiplayer games, nor do they have the longevity of single-player games.
Not to mention, even now, I still have no friggin clue what Anthem actually is about?
Mass Effect 1's trailers told us that we were hunting down a rogue soldier to save the galaxy, while Dragon Age: Origins's trailers made it clear were part of an order that hunts down monsters in a medieval fantasy setting. Even Andromeda's trailer showed us as colonists to a new galaxy and facing an unknown threat. With Anthem's trailers, we're part of a team that pilots Iron Man suits on an alien planet for... reasons?
The trailer's don't have to spoil everything, but a basic hint of the plot would be nice.
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Post by natetrace on Feb 21, 2019 20:39:45 GMT
I am a bit worried, but not too much. I am somehow surprised at how much crap Anthem is getting. Andromeda got a lot too. I think my "favorite" comments are those who want Anthem and BioWare to fail. Apparently that will get us another Dragon Age and Mass effect game somehow... I did post in the Anthem skepticism thread, but since then I've played it solo more and it's growing on me.
Long story short, I think DA4 will be made. Hopefully it will have a strong focus on the single player campaign. I'm ok with multiplayer, but not it being the whole game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 20:52:15 GMT
I am a bit worried, but not too much. I am somehow surprised at how much crap Anthem is getting. Andromeda got a lot too. I think my "favorite" comments are those who want Anthem and BioWare to fail. Apparently that will get us another Dragon Age and Mass effect game somehow... I did post in the Anthem skepticism thread, but since then I've played it solo more and it's growing on me. Long story short, I think DA4 will be made. Hopefully it will have a strong focus on the single player campaign. I'm ok with multiplayer, but not it being the whole game. I played the demo and I thought it was bad, as simple as that. I also watched the videos on youtube, and followed a lot of reviews. It's that bad. What I find ridiculous personally, it's all these folks who keep telling that they are hoping that Anthem will succeed while they suspect it's a meh game. Ridiculous. A meh game shouldn't be rewarded, if it's a meh game. Also I do believe that if Anthem succeeds, it will convince EA that DA4 should have a strong multiplayer component to the detriment of the single player mode. let's not forget it remains a few years before it is released, a lot can happen. I disagree with those who state that Anthem going very well is a good thing for dragon age.
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Post by natetrace on Feb 21, 2019 21:06:24 GMT
I am a bit worried, but not too much. I am somehow surprised at how much crap Anthem is getting. Andromeda got a lot too. I think my "favorite" comments are those who want Anthem and BioWare to fail. Apparently that will get us another Dragon Age and Mass effect game somehow... I did post in the Anthem skepticism thread, but since then I've played it solo more and it's growing on me. Long story short, I think DA4 will be made. Hopefully it will have a strong focus on the single player campaign. I'm ok with multiplayer, but not it being the whole game. I played the demo and I thought it was bad, as simple as that. I also watched the videos on youtube, and followed a lot of reviews. It's that bad. What I find ridiculous personally, it's all these folks who keep telling that they are hoping that Anthem will succeed while they suspect it's a meh game. Ridiculous. A meh game shouldn't be rewarded, if it's a meh game. Also I do believe that if Anthem succeeds, it will convince EA that DA4 should have a strong multiplayer component to the detriment of the single player mode. let's not forget it remains a few years before it is released, a lot can happen. I disagree with those who state that Anthem going very well is a good thing for dragon age. The demo didn't impress me much either. Today I played and had a good time, even if it was solo. I don't really give much attention to YouTubers or reviewers. Many Youtubers are unreliable at best, they usually just mimic each other to get clicks. I don't think Anthem succeeding will have a big impact on Dragon Age, mostly because I think Anthem will do well but not great. It will have success, but not fortnite success. Which is fine, to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 21:24:38 GMT
I played the demo and I thought it was bad, as simple as that. I also watched the videos on youtube, and followed a lot of reviews. It's that bad. What I find ridiculous personally, it's all these folks who keep telling that they are hoping that Anthem will succeed while they suspect it's a meh game. Ridiculous. A meh game shouldn't be rewarded, if it's a meh game. Also I do believe that if Anthem succeeds, it will convince EA that DA4 should have a strong multiplayer component to the detriment of the single player mode. let's not forget it remains a few years before it is released, a lot can happen. I disagree with those who state that Anthem going very well is a good thing for dragon age. The demo didn't impress me much either. Today I played and had a good time, even if it was solo. I don't really give much attention to YouTubers or reviewers. Many Youtubers are unreliable at best, they usually just mimic each other to get clicks. I don't think Anthem succeeding will have a big impact on Dragon Age, mostly because I think Anthem will do well but not great. It will have success, but not fortnite success. Which is fine, to me. I guessed that Bioware would do well at the beginning, before it stop brutally. Given the official reviews released since a few hours, I'm not even certain anymore they will sell very well at the beginning. We'll see. 13/20, 67/100, 65/100, and several 70/100 for the moment. ( ' I'm waiting the others ) I mean, it is very similar to what got Andromeda. I even feel that the reviews are a little more harsh than with Andromeda at that time. But then playing Ironman could attract a lot of casual gamers, I don't deny that. I just think they will be quickly bored with that game. At any rate, indeed even if Anthem is fine with his units sold ( but not great ), it won't affect dragon age.
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