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Post by sageoflife on Feb 2, 2019 4:03:22 GMT
Despite only being mentioned in one party banter, Dorian's ex-betrothed has several things going for her as a companion. Tevinter's eugenics program alone speaks to her qualifications as a mage, and being as unhappy with the betrothal as he was indicates that she has her own bone to pick with Tevinter society, which could make her the party's connection to the Lucerni.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Feb 2, 2019 8:31:31 GMT
Well they certainly could do anything they want with her, being a mage and an altus are the only limitations.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 2, 2019 9:37:48 GMT
Tevinter's eugenics program alone speaks to her qualifications as a mage, and being as unhappy with the betrothal as he was indicates that she has her own bone to pick with Tevinter society, which could make her the party's connection to the Lucerni. I'm not sure she was as unhappy with the betrothal as he was. As far as I am aware the only real reference to her was to Varric when he says: "Relieved I'm gone, I expect." So it could be simply what Dorian wants to believe. She may have been content enough to carry through with the arranged marriage and even happy to let Dorian indulge himself as he pleased provided she was allowed to do the same. She could even be furious with him for breaking the engagement as he does because of her own ambitions. That could actually be more interesting than someone who couldn't care less about the fact it came to nothing. Not sure why it should be assumed she would approve of the Lucerni though. If she was unhappy with the betrothal, it could be because she had her own ideas about the direction Tevinter should take, which was at variance with both her own family and that of the Pavus'. It would actually be rather intriguing to have someone as a companion with that sort of background connection to Dorian but totally opposed to what the Lucerni stand for. What if she was an ally of the Black Divine or secret follower of one of the Old Gods? Either of those would be interesting for any mage companion but particularly someone who was actually familiar with Dorian.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 2, 2019 12:30:19 GMT
I don't want her.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 2, 2019 13:11:25 GMT
Yes please, I would love for BioWare to lecture me all about how living openly as a gay man hurts the feelings of teh straight wimmenz.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 2, 2019 13:29:48 GMT
As NPC why not? But as Companion? Especially as our Lucerni companion in DA 4 sorry but no. Also why not Maevaris? There is a lot more of material that Bioware can work with.
I don´t think this would be a good idea. Bioware could do this but it would have the same effect if Bioware had chosen Maddox as major character / companion in DAI.
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 2, 2019 22:04:30 GMT
Dorian described her as having an hourglass figure, so I’m on board.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 3, 2019 7:41:18 GMT
Meh, totally uninterested.
I find some players' ability to latch onto randomly mentioned characters somewhat perplexing. She was hardly a significant figure in Dorian's life, and I'm sure he did his best to avoid her outside of forced interactions. In DAI itself, she basically amounts to a throwaway line in a single banter and is never referenced again.
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Post by leadintea on Feb 3, 2019 8:24:42 GMT
Personally, I always thought that Dorian's personal story would've been better if she was involved rather than his father. It'd have been more interesting and fitting to see her want the marriage to go through in order to strengthen both households against a common enemy, rather than it turning into a conversion therapy/gay acceptance after school special like it is now. I would have liked Dorian's character more had he stuck to his personal beliefs and refused someone whose family was in danger from being destroyed instead of the black and white story we had with his father.
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Post by davkar on Feb 3, 2019 14:02:53 GMT
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 3, 2019 14:31:48 GMT
Personally, I always thought that Dorian's personal story would've been better if she was involved rather than his father. It'd have been more interesting and fitting to see her want the marriage to go through in order to strengthen both households against a common enemy, rather than it turning into a conversion therapy/gay acceptance after school special like it is now. I would have liked Dorian's character more had he stuck to his personal beliefs and refused someone whose family was in danger from being destroyed instead of the black and white story we had with his father. Yeah, Gil's story in Mass Effect didn't focus nearly enough on lady opinions. We need a woman who will LITERALLY DIE if a gay guy doesn't marry her RIGHT NOW.
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Post by leadintea on Feb 3, 2019 14:38:14 GMT
Personally, I always thought that Dorian's personal story would've been better if she was involved rather than his father. It'd have been more interesting and fitting to see her want the marriage to go through in order to strengthen both households against a common enemy, rather than it turning into a conversion therapy/gay acceptance after school special like it is now. I would have liked Dorian's character more had he stuck to his personal beliefs and refused someone whose family was in danger from being destroyed instead of the black and white story we had with his father. Yeah, Gil's story in Mass Effect didn't focus nearly enough on lady opinions. We need a woman who will LITERALLY DIE if a gay guy doesn't marry her RIGHT NOW. Still a better story than conversion therapy after school special. And she obviously wouldn't have as much of a pull on Dorian as Jill did on Gil.
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 3, 2019 15:24:46 GMT
Personally, I always thought that Dorian's personal story would've been better if she was involved rather than his father. It'd have been more interesting and fitting to see her want the marriage to go through in order to strengthen both households against a common enemy, rather than it turning into a conversion therapy/gay acceptance after school special like it is now. I would have liked Dorian's character more had he stuck to his personal beliefs and refused someone whose family was in danger from being destroyed instead of the black and white story we had with his father. Dorian’s story isn’t black and white, that’s what I found so relatable about it. Lots of people have sketchy relationships with their parents (not just gay folks with homophobic families — see “narcissist parent” forums for example), or have to come to terms with the fact that a parent did extremely regrettable things. But it’s all mixed together with fun times you’ve had with that parent, so it’s very emotionally confusing. A piece of you comes from them, so there are times when they understand you better than anyone in the world. But at the same time they’ve done this horrible stuff, possibly in a misguided bid to protect you, possibly to protect themselves, and that gets jumbled together with the good times. Plus, since you grew up with them, every molecule in your body wants to treat what they’re like as normal, because you’ve known no other way. So if they come to you with something sort of resembling an apology, it’s really hard to process what your best option is. Will forgiving them give me the most personal closure? Will I feel better if I hold firm? Are they expecting anything in return for their apology? They were only doing what they thought was best, right? Hold on, what if they still think “what’s best” is manipulating me into complying with them? God, are my friends judging me for being on such poor terms with my parents? I appreciate that Gaider explored that grey area, because it’s something I struggle with myself.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 3, 2019 15:25:31 GMT
Yeah, Gil's story in Mass Effect didn't focus nearly enough on lady opinions. We need a woman who will LITERALLY DIE if a gay guy doesn't marry her RIGHT NOW. Still a better story than conversion therapy after school special. And she obviously wouldn't have as much of a pull on Dorian as Jill did on Gil. I prefer none of these stories.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 3, 2019 16:57:49 GMT
God, are my friends judging me for being on such poor terms with my parents? Geez, in all the thinking I've done about Dorian, I never considered this aspect. He even alludes to it back at Skyhold when he says, "Maker knows what you must think of me now, after that whole display." I never looked at it at that angle before, but I think that's right for him, too, considering how he feels about the Inquisitor's friendship. Damn, like I needed another reason to want to hug the guy.
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 3, 2019 17:27:32 GMT
God, are my friends judging me for being on such poor terms with my parents? Geez, in all the thinking I've done about Dorian, I never considered this aspect. He even alludes to it back at Skyhold when he says, "Maker knows what you must think of me now, after that whole display." I never looked at it at that angle before, but I think that's right for him, too, considering how he feels about the Inquisitor's friendship. Damn, like I needed another reason to want to hug the guy. Yeah, I imagine Dorian’s heard some flavor of “oh, you should visit them more! You’ll regret it when they’re gone!” Where the people around him think his disagreements were normal teenage rebellion and not “my dad tried to do blood magic on me”. When people have normal parents, they don’t really grok how bad it can get. They’re thinking, well I fought with my parents, but they were kind of right! Also it would be crazy to still hold onto that stuff, it was all so minor in retrospect. Ha, good times. And since it’s awkward and embarrassing for him to spell out when his dad did, it’s hard to explain that no, it wasn’t just normal parent-child tension. He’s probably not totally convinced it’s abnormal — what if everyone else had similar experiences, and they’re hiding them too? They’re on good terms with their parents, why am I so bad at letting go?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 3, 2019 17:39:59 GMT
Yeah, I imagine Dorian’s heard some flavor of “oh, you should visit them more! You’ll regret it when they’re gone!” Where the people around him think his disagreements were normal teenage rebellion and not “my dad tried to do blood magic on me”. Well, to be fair, I doubt Dorian actually told that to many people, if any, given his reticence over personal issues. Those that he did tell probably would not be of the sort to say such things. Also, he was a grown man when this happened in his late 20s.
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 3, 2019 17:53:35 GMT
Yeah, I imagine Dorian’s heard some flavor of “oh, you should visit them more! You’ll regret it when they’re gone!” Where the people around him think his disagreements were normal teenage rebellion and not “my dad tried to do blood magic on me”. Well, to be fair, I doubt Dorian actually told that to many people, if any, given his reticence over personal issues. Those that he did tell probably would not be of the sort to say such things. Also, he was a grown man when this happened in his late 20s. Yes, but I imagine other people have probably found out about his estrangement with his parents at least. For example, Mother Giselle found out. And, since he is very reluctant to share details, they might assume it’s some silly adolescent disagreement and not what actually happened.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 4, 2019 3:44:51 GMT
Despite only being mentioned in one party banter, Dorian's ex-betrothed has several things going for her as a companion. Tevinter's eugenics program alone speaks to her qualifications as a mage, and being as unhappy with the betrothal as he was indicates that she has her own bone to pick with Tevinter society, which could make her the party's connection to the Lucerni. It'd be interesting if Dorian's former betrothed ends up being one of his allies in Tevinter. I'd love to see that conversation.
Personally, I always thought that Dorian's personal story would've been better if she was involved rather than his father. It'd have been more interesting and fitting to see her want the marriage to go through in order to strengthen both households against a common enemy, rather than it turning into a conversion therapy/gay acceptance after school special like it is now. I would have liked Dorian's character more had he stuck to his personal beliefs and refused someone whose family was in danger from being destroyed instead of the black and white story we had with his father. Yeah, Gil's story in Mass Effect didn't focus nearly enough on lady opinions. We need a woman who will LITERALLY DIE if a gay guy doesn't marry her RIGHT NOW. Does Jill play more of a part in the game if you romance him or something. Cus all I got was that she was his bet friend and someone whose opinion he cared about, which doesn't really seem to justify the reaction you are exhibiting. Or are you just specifically annoyed she was a woman for some reason???
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Post by sageoflife on Feb 4, 2019 4:42:15 GMT
Despite only being mentioned in one party banter, Dorian's ex-betrothed has several things going for her as a companion. Tevinter's eugenics program alone speaks to her qualifications as a mage, and being as unhappy with the betrothal as he was indicates that she has her own bone to pick with Tevinter society, which could make her the party's connection to the Lucerni. It'd be interesting if Dorian's former betrothed ends up being one of his allies in Tevinter. I'd love to see that conversation.
Yeah, Gil's story in Mass Effect didn't focus nearly enough on lady opinions. We need a woman who will LITERALLY DIE if a gay guy doesn't marry her RIGHT NOW. Does Jill play more of a part in the game if you romance him or something. Cus all I got was that she was his bet friend and someone whose opinion he cared about, which doesn't really seem to justify the reaction you are exhibiting. Or are you just specifically annoyed she was a woman for some reason??? Well, one of the first things we hear about is her making a joke that has a lot of homophobic history behind it, and the baby subplot had more to do with her being a busybody putting the cart before the horse than with Ryder and Gil actually planning to be parents; she honestly comes off worse if Gil is not romanced.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 4, 2019 4:51:03 GMT
Does Jill play more of a part in the game if you romance him or something. As far as I know, no. You get the exact same scenes on the friend path as on the romance path, only the romance scenes have alternate dialogue. Initially, he just tells you about Jill when you have your game out together. At high enough friendship, he introduces her (with different dialogue depending on romance yes/no), and later on there is the baby discussion (with different dialogue depending on romance yes/no). I can only speak for myself and what I've observed from other Gil-mancers. There is resentment of Jill and her associated baby storyline because it takes up a large chunk of Gil's meager content. So instead of getting a quest, as everyone else has, or maybe helping him deal with some personal issues (which he does have!) we get to meet his BFF. The first kiss is tied to meeting her as he wants to clarify the nature of your relationship before introductions. Then there is the whole baby thing, which I don't want to get into in this thread as it is greatly off topic, but suffice to say that it was done extremely poorly. 3/5 (I'm pretty sure this is accurate) of his major cutscenes either reference Jill or have her present. It's just annoying. If he had more content overall it might be less bad (though the baby thing would still suck), but he doesn't, so here we are.
[edit] Suvi has a scant amount of content as well, but at least that romance doesn't have a third wheel sucking up a chunk of that time.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 4, 2019 4:58:03 GMT
It'd be interesting if Dorian's former betrothed ends up being one of his allies in Tevinter. I'd love to see that conversation.
Does Jill play more of a part in the game if you romance him or something. Cus all I got was that she was his bet friend and someone whose opinion he cared about, which doesn't really seem to justify the reaction you are exhibiting. Or are you just specifically annoyed she was a woman for some reason???
Well, one of the first things we hear about is her making a joke that has a lot of homophobic history behind it, and the baby subplot had more to do with her being a busybody putting the cart before the horse than with Ryder and Gil actually planning to be parents; she honestly comes off worse if Gil is not romanced. I'm sorry, can I have a video or something to reference, cus I'm honestly at a loss as to what joke you mean. Maybe as a PM to avoid going further off topic.
To be back on topic, still think Dorian's former fiane would be interesting. Either she'll end up being someone I like or someone I probably get to stab, so it works either way.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 4, 2019 5:29:49 GMT
Well, one of the first things we hear about is her making a joke that has a lot of homophobic history behind it, and the baby subplot had more to do with her being a busybody putting the cart before the horse than with Ryder and Gil actually planning to be parents; she honestly comes off worse if Gil is not romanced. I'm sorry, can I have a video or something to reference, cus I'm honestly at a loss as to what joke you mean. Maybe as a PM to avoid going further off topic.
To be back on topic, still think Dorian's former fiane would be interesting. Either she'll end up being someone I like or someone I probably get to stab, so it works either way.
I'm guessing it is the joke about Gil not fulfilling his duty as a man or however it went. As for the topic, if we are to have a female Tevinter mage as a companion I'd rather have Francesca from the recent comics over Livia.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 4, 2019 8:30:05 GMT
I wonder if we'll end up with all mages from Tevinter, just different backgrounds? Like, one born altus, one muggleborn, etc.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 4, 2019 10:17:14 GMT
I wonder if we'll end up with all mages from Tevinter, just different backgrounds? Like, one born altus, one muggleborn, etc.
That would be interesting as a newly elevated Laetans ought to have a different perspective on things to an Altus. Instead of having everything handed to them on a plate by reason of their birth, they have had to struggle to get anywhere in life (despite being a mage). That is the problem with all the mages suggested thus far (apart from Calpernia): Dorian, Maevaris, Francesca and Livia are all from the Altus class. A Laetans would sit somewhere between the pampered aristocrats and former slave. Their problems would be different as a result. Of course it is possible that the Laetans mage would be the option offered to our PC.
I'd also like at least one mage companion that wasn't from Tevinter society. I'm holding out hopes for Fog Dancer but I'd settle for an escaped Saarabas. Also a male Rivaini Seer, who would have left his country because he was limited by reason of his gender, although to be honest any Rivaini Seer would do.
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