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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 11, 2019 7:08:39 GMT
The games aren't necessarily competing in the exact same genre, but they are competing for the players time. Just a true life anecdote. I preordered the Anthem: Legion of Dawn edition for $79 at Gamestop so I could be part of the VIP demo weekend. I enjoyed it and intended to buy it as a new experience to break the monotony of games like Call of Duty (Blackout), Fortnite, and Destiny. Apex Legend came out the other day and its all I want to play. Apex Legend is scratching the itch for new content that I was looking for. As a result I'm canceling my preorder of Anthem. I just don't think I'll have time to play both. Well I'd say that just has more to do with the type of gamer you are (the types of games you play) rather than any direct or indirect competition Apex Legends imposes on Anthem. As I said prior, the core audience that Anthem is directed towards (pve, co-op focused players,) has no interest in a pvp game, which doesn't apply to you. You also explain how you don't think you'll have to play both, indicating you are a one-game-at-a-time, gamer. There are others that bounce between games. Again, it's more about the type of gamer you are. Why does it have to be one or the other? What about those gamers who enjoy both PvE AND PvP? So yes, Apex Legends IS a competitor. If a gamer only has limited time to fully invest into one game, he or she would have to make the decision between Apex or Anthem and even Division 2 if they wait til March to make a decision.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 11, 2019 22:16:38 GMT
Not a bad idea. Every time I see some PvP addict beg for PvP to be added to Anthem, I'll suggest they just go play Apex. It's free, so GTFO.
I don't think Apex is much of competitor for Anthem, all things considered, but if Apex would siphon off all of the PvP beggers, that's a hit I think Anthem could afford to take, at least for my personal sake.
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Post by XCPTNL on Feb 11, 2019 22:53:25 GMT
The game might not be a direct competitor because they are different genres. But I'm sure there are quite a few players that have an interest in both games and now might be busy playing Apex and skipping Anthem at least for a while - meaning they might pick it up when it is cheaper, has more content and is working better from a technical side of things. It might not be the majority but still I'd have waited with Apex at least until after the launch-week of Anthem.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 11, 2019 23:03:25 GMT
If Apex is a competitor every game is a competitor.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 12, 2019 1:32:06 GMT
If Apex is a competitor every game is a competitor. And that is a fact. Given that many people have limited time and money....sometimes a decision is made between two games that are of a completely different genre. Why people assume that because Apex isnt a competitor because it isnt PvE is beyond logic.... In todays markert games are competing for attention. If I am interested in both PvE and PvP and only have limited money and time.....and have to choose between Apex (F2P), Anthem and Divison 2.....you best bet that for Anthem.... Apex and Divison 2 just became competitors for Anthem.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 12, 2019 1:34:07 GMT
If Apex is a competitor every game is a competitor. And that is a fact. Given that many people have limited time and money....sometimes a decision is made between two games that are of a completely different genre. Why people assume that because Apex isnt a competitor because it isnt PvE is beyond logic.... And if every game is a competitor, no game is a competitor.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 12, 2019 1:35:42 GMT
And that is a fact. Given that many people have limited time and money....sometimes a decision is made between two games that are of a completely different genre. Why people assume that because Apex isnt a competitor because it isnt PvE is beyond logic.... And if every game is a competitor, no game is a competitor. Please see my above comment. Please do not ignore common sense....
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 12, 2019 1:49:14 GMT
And if every game is a competitor, no game is a competitor. Please see my above comment. Please do not ignore common sense.... Please practice what you preach.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 12, 2019 2:09:58 GMT
Please see my above comment. Please do not ignore common sense.... Please practice what you preach. You are arguing for the sake of arguing simply because you do not want to admit that Apex could be a direct or even indirect competitor to Anthem. There are many consumers for which time, money or both is not a factor so they could easily play Apex as well as Anthem and be directly engaged in both....even buying MTXs for both. Other consumers in similar situation would ise Apex for their PvP itch and Anthem for their PvE itch. In both cases Anthem comes out clean and Apex is not a competitor. HOWEVER, There are also consumers who have limited time, money or both and thus weigh their spending/playing decisions very narrowly. Perhaps they are fans of both PvE and PvP and could careless which type they end up going for....but the one they do go for will receive the bulk if not all of this consumers playtime for the foreseeable days or months. If this consumer downloads Apex for free and religiously plays that because he/she feels like their time is best valued with playing Apex and not Anthem.....then in this scenario.....Apex was a competitor against Anthem for their free time regardless if one was PvE and the other was PvP. In this case, time was the deciding factor, not genre or play style.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 12, 2019 2:37:24 GMT
Please practice what you preach. You are arguing for the sake of arguing simply because you do not want to admit that Apex could be a direct or even direct competitor to Anthem. There are many consumers for which time, money or both is not a factor so they could easily play Apex as well as Anthem and be directly engaged in both....even buying MTXs for both. Other consumers in similar situation would ise Apex for their PvP itch and Anthem for their PvE itch. In both cases Anthem comes out clean and Apex is not a competitor. HOWEVER, There are also consumers who have limited time, money or both and thus weigh their spending/playing decisions very narrowly. Perhaps they are fans of both PvE and PvP and could careless which type they end up going for....but the one they do go for will receive the bulk if not all of this consumers playtime for the foreseeable days or months. If this consumer downloads Apex for free and religiously plays that because he/she feels like their time is best valued with playing Apex and not Anthem.....then in this scenario.....Apex was a competitor against Anthem for their free time regardless if one was PvE and the other was PvP. In this case, time was the deciding factor, not genre or play style. They could download Fortnite for free without Apex legends, nothing is changed.
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Post by hawkspian on Feb 13, 2019 0:39:56 GMT
If apex is a competitor to Anthem then coffee is a competitor to water and Man UTD are a competitor to the Patriots and a Porsche 911 Turbo is a competitor to a ford focus.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 13, 2019 1:10:56 GMT
If apex is a competitor to Anthem then coffee is a competitor to water and Man UTD are a competitor to the Patriots and a Porsche 911 Turbo is a competitor to a ford focus. A repost of an earlier post I made: There are many consumers for which time, money or both is not a factor so they could easily play Apex as well as Anthem and be directly engaged in both....even buying MTXs for both. Other consumers in similar situation would ise Apex for their PvP itch and Anthem for their PvE itch. In both cases Anthem comes out clean and Apex is not a competitor. HOWEVER, There are also consumers who have limited time, money or both and thus weigh their spending/playing decisions very narrowly. Perhaps they are fans of both PvE and PvP and could careless which type they end up going for....but the one they do go for will receive the bulk if not all of this consumers playtime for the foreseeable days or months. If this consumer downloads Apex for free and religiously plays that because he/she feels like their time is best valued with playing Apex and not Anthem.....then in this scenario.....Apex was a competitor against Anthem for their free time regardless if one was PvE and the other was PvP. In this case, time was the deciding factor, not genre or play style.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 13, 2019 1:21:43 GMT
If apex is a competitor to Anthem then coffee is a competitor to water and Man UTD are a competitor to the Patriots and a Porsche 911 Turbo is a competitor to a ford focus. Please explain how the following scenario does not make sense: Joe Gamer due to family, work, school, social life or a combination of them all only has limited time to play games, particularly GaaS which requires a committed time investment. Joe Gamer is interested in Apex cause it is free, Anthem cause it has a good story and fun PvE gameplay, and Divison 2 because he liked Divison 1. Joe Gamer ultimately decided to download Apex for free due to all the positive buzz around the game and for the fact that it was free.....so there isnt any monetary risk associated if he didnt like the game. Joe Gamer finds that Apex is a great game and very addictive and because it is free, many of his friends plays it to. Therefore when Anthem came out weeks later, his commitment was already embedded into Apex time wise and did not feel like exploring another GaaS, even if it was PvE focused. So please, explain to me why that scenario is impossible and would NEVER happen. You wont....because you cant explain it cause you know it is a plausible scenario that will and could happen. But you will continue to debate because you do not want to give me or anyone else the satisfaction of proving how Apex is a competitor albeit indirect competitor to Anthem. It kind of reminds me like how after it was announced that MEA would have no SP post launcy content, people here tried to spin it that EA/Bioware planned from the very beginning to never support MEA with SP content....#savethequarians
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Post by hawkspian on Feb 13, 2019 1:52:29 GMT
I read your replies. You're talking about a minority. The only people who smash battle royal games and nothing but battle roalyal games are streamers. Only very few people are not going to play anthem cos they're "too busy" playing apex. They're two totally different games mate. One you can play in your own time on your own. The other is a multiplayer PvP battle royal.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 13, 2019 3:10:17 GMT
If apex is a competitor to Anthem then coffee is a competitor to water and Man UTD are a competitor to the Patriots and a Porsche 911 Turbo is a competitor to a ford focus. So please, explain to me why that scenario is impossible and would NEVER happen. It's not that it can't happen, it obviously can. That's not the point. Making everything a competitor with everything else, on the purely time/money metrics you mentioned, dilutes the meaning of "competition." Your original point was that Apex threatens Anthem in the market. The counter argument is not about whether it does or doesn't, but to what degree it does. And making everything a competitor of everything includes things of such low degree that it's futile to even talk about it. Thus the relevance of Porsche 911 vs. Ford Focus. It's pointless to talk about competition without also talking about the degree of impact. The Focus's impact on 911 sales is real, but negligible, so why worry about it? I suppose we can blame the OP for framing the question in such a silly way. Is it a competitor? Sure. Is it a competitor to a degree that it threatens the success of Anthem? That's the question worth debating. And again, for the record, IMO it does not. Different market segments and the overlap isn't sufficient, IMO, to post a major threat.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 13, 2019 3:47:41 GMT
This game may have saved EA's ass for the year.
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Post by XCPTNL on Feb 13, 2019 9:35:00 GMT
Making everything a competitor with everything else, on the purely time/money metrics you mentioned, dilutes the meaning of "competition." To be honest: in this market time is indeed the biggest factor. In others as well, but especially in the gaming market and even more so for GaaS. So yeah, basically a lot of the GaaS are in competition with each other even if they are different games when it comes to the content. Obviously these 2 games are very different in that department but I think the overlap might be bigger than many think. Maybe because they still see Anthem as some kind of game that caters more to a RPG audience (because Bioware) when it is actually a multiplayer shooter. Yes, it is PvE and Apex is PvP - but like I said: the overlap of gamers who play both kind of games is probably bigger than most people around here think. And Apex has over 25 million downloads (and growing) now - even if just 10% of that overlap and out of those people 10% rather keep playing Apex instead of Anthem, that's around 250.000 copies less sold for Anthem. And to be honest I think the number will be higher. Personally I'm more interested in Anthem. But I have downloaded and played some Apex and if I continue to like it I might also hold off on Anthem until it is better optimized, has less bugs and is cheaper. They want full price for it after all (which I think is a bad decision and I think they should have made it F2P just like Warframe) and so far they have yet to prove that the game is not running as badly as it did in the demo which probably turned off a few people who are not that deeply invested into this game like people on this forum. So they actually fucked up their chance to win some people over by giving us a demo build filled with problems. On the other hand Apex came out of nowhere, is a full game for free and is very well optimized. The overall performance is really great, the UI and the ping mechanics are amazing (or as SkillUp said in their video about Apex: "who are these UI developers and why are they not in charge of Anthem") and the game just works really well - which is something I highly doubt when it comes to Anthem at launch.
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 13, 2019 10:39:24 GMT
Found this on reddit looking for info on preload times. Yes, this person bought both Anthem and Jump Force.
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Post by hawkspian on Feb 13, 2019 11:04:48 GMT
lol dude relax. I do get your point. But your comparing apex and anthem when you could be comparing black ops 4 and fifa 19. What you're doing is a basic comparison that you can do with everything and anything. Division 2, there you go. That's a competitor.
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Post by rikimaru on Feb 13, 2019 15:16:41 GMT
the Division 2 is more Anthem's competitor.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 13, 2019 15:20:10 GMT
Do you realize that people can play both Apex and Anthem. One is a battle royale game and the other is a PVP game.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 13, 2019 15:34:10 GMT
Do you realize that people can play both Apex and Anthem. One is a battle royale game and the other is a PVP game. I realize that and I understand that many people will play both because of the PvE and PvP difference. But do you realize that there are also others that will not choose to play both, despite the gameplay differences. For some people, they are simply asking themselves....."I have XXX amount of time to play Anthem or Apex....which one deserves all or most of my time?" In this case the gamer may have....3 hours to dedicate towards gaming. They could split it with 90 mins for both....120 mins for one and 60 min for the other....150 min for one and 30 min for both.....or 180 min for one and 0 min for the other.
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Post by force58 on Feb 13, 2019 16:12:17 GMT
I must confess i didn´t have believed in this rumor but Jason Schreier and Shinobi602 confirm that Apex Legends is real. What is Apex Legends you may ask? Well is a Free to Play Battle Royale Game in the Titanfall Universe and its release is the 4 February. Only in 2 Days.
I don´t think that Apex will harm Anthem significantly but why release EA this game before Anthem? It makes no sense. Why not focus on Anthem alone?
They're 2 completely different games, which I'm sure is mentioned in pages of responses you've already received. Anthem won't have an issue once it's released unless its buggy as hell. Based on the success of the open beta I don't see that being a problem.
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