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Post by alanc9 on Feb 13, 2019 18:52:23 GMT
I would really like to ask BioWare a question in return. Why and when have you become so hostile towards solo players? Well, it could be EA or whatever, but I will just say this: A Solo player pays 60 dollars for your SP game that you make every 2-5 years and maybe 60 more for DLCs. A MP player gives you 60 dollars for a game you can clone almost every year and there is a high chance the same player will pay 5-30 dollars each week for more packs, cosmetics, emotes, etc. What's there to love about the Solo player? Worse still, the DLC numbers aren't all that great. In the months it takes to build a new DLC a large percentage of the SP playerbase moves on to other games, and you don't get them back. MP players, apparently, stick with a game longer.
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Post by pentapod on Feb 13, 2019 23:15:45 GMT
Can we all agree that this tweet was purely an attempt to advertise the message that their systems to deal with toxicity are top notch?
And as such that solo players don't need to worry as much as they do?
Nope. Solo-preferring players have very valid reasons to worry, it's the job of game devs to understand the worry and try to ameliorate it. There are definitely no perfect or even top notch systems out there yet and there's a lot of room for improvement everywhere. Understanding better all the types of worry is the only way we'll be able to make them better though! Antisocial behavior would align more closely to the category "toxicity". I doubt, anybody is imposing any scientific or clinical standards from latest ICD or DSM, but not conflating antisocial behavior with introversion should be general knowledge (even if we were to take sometimes seen vernacular definition of antisocial = inhibition or unwillingness to engage in a social situations. We shouldn't but even if we would it's different from introversion. Why they are a category and then social anxiety is separate from those two, I'll never know). I haven't seen her raw data, but these classification are quite weird, but then again her original tweet was formulated in a peculiar way, so who knows what's going on. It's not a big deal or anything. I think, I can understand the table and it sort of makes sense, and servers its purpose. Albeit, I am surprised that there isn't category for "privacy" (I often enjoy privacy, especially in the context of video games. It's not motivated by anxiety, inhibition or introversion and definitely not antisociality, but simply desire to be alone and enjoy privacy for a little while).
The "raw data" is available for anyone to see if you would like to read through 1800+ replies and do your own classifications - you can find 'em here: I definitely agree the categories were a little general, as was my original tweet, which was really just a throwaway thought following a discussion - thanks for the retweet to your 35,000 followers, Mr. Weekes! Sometimes answers would be along the lines of "I can't stand people" and that's hard to be sure if the person is introverted or antisocial, while others specifically named one or the other. I was forced to group together things like this because I just couldn't tell the difference accurately enough in many cases. Social anxiety I do think is different (although many people mentioned both) and if the reply specifically used words like "anxiety" or "fear" I'd count it as that. As mentioned, I could only spare limited time from the actual job I'm supposed to be doing so these results are not perfect, and if anyone else wants to do an alternate data mine well then please feel free! But I think these results, although a little fuzzy, are still a reasonable overview of the types of concerns folks have. As an advance disclaimer, I likely won't continue answering in this thread because (based on experience with other boards and other games) if I do, everyone will hop in here with every other Anthem question and I won't get any actual work done again ... but I did want to say thanks for all the thoughtful answers. And the strange conspiracy theories too, which did make me laugh although I've yet to meet any game company that's organized and has enough spare time for ANY conspiracies, let alone the vast numbers generally attributed to them, heh.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 13, 2019 23:55:29 GMT
Well, it could be EA or whatever, but I will just say this: A Solo player pays 60 dollars for your SP game that you make every 2-5 years and maybe 60 more for DLCs. A MP player gives you 60 dollars for a game you can clone almost every year and there is a high chance the same player will pay 5-30 dollars each week for more packs, cosmetics, emotes, etc. What's there to love about the Solo player? Worse still, the DLC numbers aren't all that great. In the months it takes to build a new DLC a large percentage of the SP playerbase moves on to other games, and you don't get them back. MP players, apparently, stick with a game longer. They do? You should look at the graveyard of MP games that never really took off.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 14, 2019 3:22:10 GMT
Well...at least we know it's not just Luke who lurks here.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 14, 2019 9:15:48 GMT
Well...at least we know it's not just Luke who lurks here. You'd be surprised at how many... Just in case people think they are venting in some kind of private bubble, here...
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Post by sil on Feb 14, 2019 9:19:12 GMT
Well...at least we know it's not just Luke who lurks here. You'd be surprised at how many... Just in case people think they are venting in some kind of private bubble, here... Glad to hear it. There's no point venting here if they're not going to see. How else will they learn what we're unhappy with? Like teasing DLC and new content for Andromeda, then dropping it. That's the kind of action that prevents me even considering supporting Anthem. If they can't support ME, they don't deserve my support for Anthem.
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Post by regack on Feb 14, 2019 13:45:03 GMT
Glad to hear it. There's no point venting here if they're not going to see. How else will they learn what we're unhappy with? Like teasing DLC and new content for Andromeda, then dropping it. That's the kind of action that prevents me even considering supporting Anthem. If they can't support ME, they don't deserve my support for Anthem. Unfortunately, I highly doubt any kind of upper management who would actually be responsible for making those decisions is going to end up with an account and pay us any heed. There is, without a doubt, much value in the folks from BioWare who are reading, lurking or participating, but whether they are able to influence larger decisions such as what you mentioned, I have no idea. Mostly I think it translates into smaller changes, things that come up in design and change meetings, gently steering in the areas where they are able to make a greater impact. I don't mean to be dismissive of what you've said, because alluding to the possibility with MEA DLC, then finally announcing the end... that hurt - but things like that just add to the pile of doubt when I look at future games and titles coming from the same publishing house.
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Post by mmoblitz on Feb 14, 2019 13:47:45 GMT
I prefer narrative driven games and that doesn't translate well into co-op/MP games. I do play a couple MMORPG games, but those can be done mostly solo and I group only when I have to. The biggest reason though is the shear amount of @sshats I encounter in those types of games. I have to deal with people like that on a daily basis and don't want to in my free time.
It also doesn't help that I have maybe two friends that even play games and those aren't online...lol I do play some online games with my youngest daughter. That I do enjoy.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 14, 2019 15:06:50 GMT
Well...at least we know it's not just Luke who lurks here. You'd be surprised at how many... Just in case people think they are venting in some kind of private bubble, here... Apart from Luke and Brenon Holmes, I'm not too familiar with the other dev's who wander in here.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 14, 2019 15:24:11 GMT
I’m not too sure about the responses on that poll anyway. Most are genuine I’m sure, but I do know of one who cited toxicity, yet loves all the multiplayer BioWare games, has pordered Anthem and plays a number of MMOs as well. So apparently toxicity isn’t actually preventing them from playing mp games.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 14, 2019 15:55:46 GMT
Because I hate playing with people who always want to just run off to the next pew pew area without checking around/searching for secrets and loot.
AKA can't play at my own pace and still get to have fun with the group because by the time I catch up, everything has been killed already. OR in the demo's case, I just constantly get teleported. This leads me to always be rushing rushing rushing when playing and that's no fun.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 14, 2019 16:54:54 GMT
Worse still, the DLC numbers aren't all that great. In the months it takes to build a new DLC a large percentage of the SP playerbase moves on to other games, and you don't get them back. MP players, apparently, stick with a game longer. They do? You should look at the graveyard of MP games that never really took off. *shrugs* Sure, it's a crapshoot. But so's releasing an SP game. The difference is the odds are better with MP games. Unless you figure the suits are making their numbers up because they just don't like SP games?
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 14, 2019 17:27:50 GMT
Wow. Some of the comments in this topic are the most mature and justified entries i've ever seen on BSN.
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Post by river82 on Feb 14, 2019 21:03:36 GMT
Well...at least we know it's not just Luke who lurks here. You'd be surprised at how many... Just in case people think they are venting in some kind of private bubble, here... Oh I'm pretty sure people realised back when Schreier shared their ... inanity with his many followers on twitter, lol.
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Post by clips7 on Feb 16, 2019 4:03:24 GMT
Well, it could be EA or whatever, but I will just say this: A Solo player pays 60 dollars for your SP game that you make every 2-5 years and maybe 60 more for DLCs. A MP player gives you 60 dollars for a game you can clone almost every year and there is a high chance the same player will pay 5-30 dollars each week for more packs, cosmetics, emotes, etc. What's there to love about the Solo player? Worse still, the DLC numbers aren't all that great. In the months it takes to build a new DLC a large percentage of the SP playerbase moves on to other games, and you don't get them back. MP players, apparently, stick with a game longer. Hmmm...i'm not so sure...unless it's a game like destiny, Fortnite, etc...where these games are MP games first...etc, but in the case of Bioware, they have reputation for creating great single player content. fans of the trilogy and even Andromeda still play the games on a yearly basis, even tho the games are years old. MP games have to be on dedicated servers and at some point the devs kill the servers for said games. Now i know there are old MP games still om serbers (isn't the old Halo games still functioning?) and the fact that ME3MP is still thriving points to longevity on the platform overall, but at the end of the day when the company shuts down those servers forever, you still have that single player game that you can play looong after those servers are shut. Time will tell if MP games have the longevity of the SP platform, but i really don't see them outlasting the SP/ franchise experience as a whole.....will we see dedicated servers to games like Fortnite, Destiny and Anthem 20 years from now? as that stand-alone MP experience or will they share the best of both as seen in current games where you have SP and MP as an option?...time will tell.... Mass Effect as a franchise and as a SP product to me has more lasting power than say Anthem.....yes the story of Shepard is done, but there is so much more to Mass Effect than Shep....regardless of how i feel about Andromeda...Mass Effect has stories than can be told from a whole wide range of scenarios in terms of story and characters....i hear Anthem is giving away free DLC story content which may actually help it, but another aspect is that it's always online and you need xbox live or Playstation network subscription to play them and that alone counts me out....i only play ME3MP online and through the ps3 that is free...no way i will pay a subscription just to play online. I think Anthem will be successful...it has high production values and everything looks solid, but i question whether it will be a household name like Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Dead Space...etc....this goes for games like Fortnite, Destiny, and Waframe as well.
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Post by patriciachr34 on Feb 16, 2019 9:26:26 GMT
I am with the introverts here. I play to relieve the stresses of my day and enjoy doing so at my own pace. I too find too most human interactions exhausting. That being said, I am enjoying Anthem. I like the matching system and the group pretty much does its own thing and works together to complete the missions. The only part I am having a difficult time with is that the story arc requires that you complete dungeons in the free play area. I would not mind that except it is very difficult to solo this area, and there is no matching for the dungeons. Plus, these story arc dungeons require that you participate in free play world events and such to enter them. This has pretty much halted my game play progression. It is pretty late though (after 1 AM) and I am a bit tired. I think I will try this again tomorrow after a good nights sleep and see if I can progress at all. If that fails, I may just pop into BSN discord and see if I can get a few people to run this thing with me.
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 16, 2019 9:50:48 GMT
Ive only played for 2 hours but besides dying once due to mu own negligence, soloing was veeeerry possible on normal. Just remember that you’re supposed to MOVEMOVEMOVE.
Reminds me of TW2. I was having great difficukty with that game until i read that the gameplay is all about rollrollrilldodgerollrollroll. And it got a lot better.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 16, 2019 17:00:49 GMT
In Anthem you avoid playing with other people to avoid being yanked around by LOADING SCREENS when your team goes in an opposite direction of you.
In Anthem you play alone to avoid being matched into a mission you haven't played before that is already partially completed.
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 16, 2019 17:02:15 GMT
In Anthem you avoid playing with other people to avoid being yanked around by LOADING SCREENS when your team goes in an opposite direction of you. In Anthem you play alone to avoid being matched into a mission you haven't played before that is already partially completed. They're sabotaging their own game with these two.
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Post by Quickpaw on Feb 16, 2019 18:48:20 GMT
The sheer changeability of the experience in multiplayer. In an offline sp game, I know my session is going to depend solely on my ability to get through the challenges presented. And I'll be by myself, which allows me to go at my own pace relaxing or not.
But with multiplayer there's a good chance of encountering insurmountable barriers in the form of other people. Incompetence, negligence, or outright malicious behavior can RUIN a full day's worth of game time, and usually I just don't want to have to take that chance. Not to mention the technological stability (or lack thereof). A single player offline game will always be there for you. But constantly having to connect? Too many things to go wrong.
In most cases I would rather play a somewhat mediocre sp title that I know how much I'll enjoy it vs a crapshoot multiplayer only game no matter how well reviewed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 18:57:27 GMT
I like to take my time take it slow I want to see it all and not rush it. I don't want some sreaming ass hole moaning I'm holding them all up. That why I'm solo
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 16, 2019 22:20:57 GMT
Apart from Luke and Brenon Holmes, I'm not too familiar with the other dev's who wander in here. Wait, Brenon's here as well?
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Post by biggydx on Feb 16, 2019 22:53:42 GMT
Apart from Luke and Brenon Holmes, I'm not too familiar with the other dev's who wander in here. Wait, Brenon's here as well? He's responded once before early last year, but I don't think he's a frequent poster or anything.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 16, 2019 22:56:06 GMT
You can repair NPC's, apparently. If you can find some that need to be repaired.
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