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Post by cankiie on Feb 6, 2019 10:27:15 GMT
As someone in this thread already pointed out. The question is rather loaded with judgement, I doubt this is about any sort of curiousity and more just to point fingers.
Several questions can be asked and the answer to all of them could be the exact same.
Why do some people prefer to read books alone rather than together? Why do some people prefer to watch tv-series alone rather than together? Why do some people prefer to watch movies alone rather than together?
Many people in this world are extroverts, I am too, so it is easy to forget that there are introverts living amongst us who just prefer to sit by themselves and savour the content.
That said, people who actually enjoy video games a lot, be they introvert or extrovert, tend to enjoy games regardless of it being single-player or multiplayer. Although personally I found it rather difficult to enjoy God of War, not because the game was bad, but because my friends insisted we play it together because it would be more: "Mmmmmmmm, cozy and fun!" yeeah... no.
We had to deal with one person who just wanted to go through with the main story, screw everything else. Two people who wanted to explore every nook and cranny in the game, and a third person who like feeling smarter than the rest and just had to talk about all that nordic mythology and shit throughout the entire game.
Playing games with other people IS NOT always more entertaining than playing a game alone, this is pretty much what the question is also implying. It is also loaded with the whole: "Ackchyually, humans are social creatures and therefor, it is just by default that video games is more entertaining with more people" yeah... no.
The question is not really worth discussing, it is really just pointing fingers.
People have different preferences, could be a very short answer, and one that any sensible being on this planet could reach.
That said.
There are many longer answers as well, though.
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Post by ergates on Feb 6, 2019 13:47:36 GMT
In my experience people who play multiplayer games seem to regard the game as some kind of race, and one that must be completed in the fastest-possible time: "GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!!"
It doesn't matter what kind of game it is. MMO players race through dungeons at breakneck speed. I remember being kicked out of groups in my WoW days, just because I tried to stop to pick up a quest from an NPC, or loot a corpse for a quest item. I was apparently 'slowing them down' by doing so. Real Time Strategy players rush you within thirty seconds of starting the game, spamming low level units like crazy. Competitive multiplayers in games like Counterstrike or Unreal Tournament refuse to wait for anyone who falls behind and have no patience for newbies.
That's the other thing - I've had more than my fair share of downright nasty, toxic, abusive 'smack talking' keyboard warriors in multiplayer games. People who scream out ranting expletive-ridden requests for you to kill yourself in ALLCAPS because you momentarily fell behind or made a mistake.
For a person who likes to take games slowly, exploring everywhere and immersing themselves in the environment, multiplayer is total anathema. I'd honestly rather suck the exhaust pipe of a lorry for an hour than interact with some of the vicious, nasty, unpleasant people I've been forced to put up with in some multiplayer games. Never again; life is just too short.
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Post by jackdaniel on Feb 6, 2019 14:12:51 GMT
Some people just like single player, period. If EA wants to stop people from complaining, it should just market to the right crowd. As we are seeing played out before our very eyes, that is easier said that done. Your old market thinks you're cheating on them, and your new market doesn't know who the hell you are. well, if some gamers insist that bioware can only make single player games, its them being unreasonable. But if bioware try to pass off a multiplayer game as a single player to try to earn their money, these gamers are entitled to complain.
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Post by jackdaniel on Feb 6, 2019 14:17:40 GMT
The question should be why Bioware try to pretend that Anthem could be enjoyed as a single player game just as much as an actual single player game? Some people just like single player, period. If EA wants to stop people from complaining, it should just market to the right crowd. They could let people play strongholds and freeplay in private mode. Seems like a simple solution to me, but for some reason they really don't want to cater to the solo player crowd. Its purely financial, they probably have modeling showing that having this particular will generate x% more revenue than a offline or a private mode.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 6, 2019 14:44:22 GMT
They could let people play strongholds and freeplay in private mode. Seems like a simple solution to me, but for some reason they really don't want to cater to the solo player crowd. Its purely financial, they probably have modeling showing that having this particular will generate x% more revenue than a offline or a private mode. You can't sell the cosmetics that well if they're not shown off to you by the team mates.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 6, 2019 17:10:22 GMT
I played three missions. One group and two solo. I remember nothing about the group one as far as story goes
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Post by sil on Feb 6, 2019 18:38:31 GMT
MP games produce the bare minimum of story content, or they will drag out a decent story with repetitive, pointless tasks until you don't care anymore. They're also geared towards showing off through stats, which I can't stand, they tend to be grindy just to keep you playing and these days are geared entirely towards taking every penny from your wallet that they can. Competition is also a big thing in MP games, and I tend not to be arsed with all that stuff. On top of that, the devs rarely put as much new content in as they should to justify the costs players pay for subs/transactions.
Also other players are inevitably arseholes in most MP games I play.
Story is key. SP on the other hand allows me to get immersed in a world and story without some idiot bouncing around or having to wait around for some random person to play who I don't want to be around. I can mod SP games as much as I like, which often extends the life of the game itself. I can take my time without some dickhead yelling at me over a voice chat I don't want. Singleplayer fandoms tend to be better as they aren't driven by competition but by shared experience. Plus SP experiences are not as often in an open world nature, meaning their content is not only tighter but better made.
I hate playing with other players, and the relentless push by companies like Bioware and EA only forces me to play older games and indies that don't push that on me. Ultimately, in their drive to earn the maximum amount of money for the least effort, they're driving away people like me who play a lot of games.
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Post by traks on Feb 7, 2019 18:45:43 GMT
A) Own pace, immersion into the story, being in position to tackle and solve challenges and puzzles on my own. nothing. Playing (mostly) alone is just the better game experience for me.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 8, 2019 21:11:18 GMT
Frankly, I hope she got roasted and/or lambasted on Twatter. It was just a really simple question; if she had just thought it to herself, she could have answered it just as easily.
IT WAS NOT A GENUINE QUESTION THAT NEEDED ASKING.
Either she was asked to ask this by Casey and Co, or she's a moron. Not sure which.
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Post by sil on Feb 8, 2019 21:16:33 GMT
Either she was asked to ask this by Casey and Co, or she's a moron. Not sure which. Pretty sure it was a PR-safe way of getting answers they need to lure in their traditional fanbase with new Anthem content down the line. It's market research, though considering how many SP games Bioware have made, it should be obvious to them why their traditional fanbase aren't dancing for joy for Anthem.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 8, 2019 21:20:50 GMT
Other players are clutter. Even as one who plays Destiny, I'll do as much PvE content totally solo as I can, and enjoy going in as leisurely a pace as I can with zero concern for others. Horizon Zero Dawn is an example of a game I can play for hours on end at a snail's pace and enjoy myself, and I intend to do the same enjoying the traversal mechanics of Anthem. I intend to squeeze as much out of this game as possible solo.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 8, 2019 23:03:13 GMT
Either she was asked to ask this by Casey and Co, or she's a moron. Not sure which. Pretty sure it was a PR-safe way of getting answers they need to lure in their traditional fanbase with new Anthem content down the line. It's market research, though considering how many SP games Bioware have made, it should be obvious to them why their traditional fanbase aren't dancing for joy for Anthem. That is a very generous interpretation of the question imo. It’s like a vegetarian asking I’m honestly curious why do you like eating meat. You aren’t curious why people eat meat you are setting up for a spiel on why your meat eaters beliefs are wrong.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 8, 2019 23:22:37 GMT
Either she was asked to ask this by Casey and Co, or she's a moron. Not sure which. Pretty sure it was a PR-safe way of getting answers they need to lure in their traditional fanbase with new Anthem content down the line. It's market research, though considering how many SP games Bioware have made, it should be obvious to them why their traditional fanbase aren't dancing for joy for Anthem. A bit late for market research to shape things in a game in development when it's just about to release. It may be more like someone who only ever played on console asking a PC player why they don't like their console port.
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 9, 2019 0:34:00 GMT
Frankly, I hope she got roasted and/or lambasted on Twatter. It was just a really simple question; if she had just thought it to herself, she could have answered it just as easily. IT WAS NOT A GENUINE QUESTION THAT NEEDED ASKING. Either she was asked to ask this by Casey and Co, or she's a moron. Not sure which. Bioware have always had a smug attitude of "they'll enjoy it if they try it!" when it comes to multiplayer. Never forget ME3 and EMS.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 9, 2019 0:43:51 GMT
Either she was asked to ask this by Casey and Co, or she's a moron. Not sure which. Pretty sure it was a PR-safe way of getting answers they need to lure in their traditional fanbase with new Anthem content down the line. It's market research, though considering how many SP games Bioware have made, it should be obvious to them why their traditional fanbase aren't dancing for joy for Anthem. This reminds me of something else. People, say "Oh, Bioware started out as multiplayer! Baldurs Gate had it!" etc.
They were not the same thing at all. Not remotely comparable to the current iteration of multiplayer. Even putting aside the glaring lack of monetization in Balders Gate MP
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Post by bshep on Feb 9, 2019 2:39:54 GMT
Frankly, I hope she got roasted and/or lambasted on Twatter. It was just a really simple question; if she had just thought it to herself, she could have answered it just as easily. IT WAS NOT A GENUINE QUESTION THAT NEEDED ASKING. Either she was asked to ask this by Casey and Co, or she's a moron. Not sure which. Bioware have always had a smug attitude of "they'll enjoy it if they try it!" when it comes to multiplayer. Never forget ME3 and EMS. Indeed i can never forget one of the best multiplayer mode that a have played up to the date or that one of Bioware's first patches contained the bugfix for the EMS system.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 9, 2019 3:21:11 GMT
Regarding the motivation for the question; Perhaps she knew the types of answers she felt she was going to get and was simply interested in which of the three or four different answers was the most popular. Perhaps something else motivated the question. Regardless, given a report received and reading through the various responses it appears - rather disappointingly - that a reminder is needed bsn.boards.net/post/1185130/threadGame Developers
- We give special protection from harassment to game developers.
- Many developers lurk on our forums, some visible, others invisible. Without their work, we have no forum.
- A developer who comments or shares information may be engaged in conversation.
- A member may even disagree with them, if that is done civilly.
- We won't stand for posters haranguing a developer, demanding answers, spamming their inbox, insults, or rudeness. They are not a public punching bag nor do they have to meet 'higher standards' than any other forum member.
- If you see anyone beating up a developer, please report it straight away.
- Breaking the rules with a developer as the target will lead to a more immediate and firmer response than our standard rules, so don’t do it.
*bolding mine* Discuss the question and each others answers, by all means. Leave insults and accusations towards the developer asking the question out of it.
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Post by clips7 on Feb 9, 2019 3:23:34 GMT
I will be repeating myself a bit here as well....for me personally i like to be immersed into the world in and that involves exploring and interacting with interesting characters and a compelling story....i agree with Qui-Glenn in that ME3MP was and still is quite an unique experience that keeps me coming back on a daily basis...just something very special about that MP. A good story will always keep me coming back for more.
It's why we always play games we like....i can play Dead Space, Resident Evil ReMake, Mass Effect 2 & 3, Silent Hill 2, 3 and 4 multiple times knowing full well the outcome of these games, but the story, characters, environments and gameplay are always compelling and interesting. I feel Anthem missed an opportunity here because briefly listening to the core of what the plot is (Reality crumbling within itself) sounds like an interesting theme that could possibly give the Reaper storyline a run for it's money if crafted properly....humans at the farthest reaches of the universe up against impossible odds in trying to stop the destruction of reality as we know it.
There's so much that could have been done with that concept if Bioware was given the time it needed to craft it, but this gaming structure took priority over what could have been a strong SP experience...i felt like they should have made this a full fledged SP game with MP as a secondary option (like ME3MP)....but i understand this was an online service game from the jump and while Anthem looks good, i feel like these resources are being wasted on this game instead of creating Anthem to be that game where Bioware shines in terms of creating interesting stories and characters.....
Hard to say when the next Mass Effect game will drop since Bioware's "A" team is on Anthem and will be creating ongoing content to keep the game fresh and we all know that the team that created Andromeda is not getting a 2nd chance at ME...so that leaves Bioware's "A" team to take a crack at it, tho splitting and working on two games are capable, thinning out your talent kinda waters down the experience in trying to create interesting content for both Anthem and the next ME game...granted if Anthem is alive and is putting up respectable numbers and interest....playing MP is fun when i want a quick 20 min mindless romp, but i like my SP games for when i just want to lose myself in those interesting virtual worlds with compelling stories and characters...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 3:31:29 GMT
A reason for asking the question, is for BioWare to gather evidence, from the customer base, for why Anthem cannot be all things to all people (ranging a spectrum of folks who like SP pretty exclusively to folks who mostly prefer to play MP … and everything in between).
At last count, she reported over 1200 tweets … and apologized for not being able to respond to all of them. But she also picked up common themes (as well as some fairly unique reasons) that were useful.
Useful for what? Well, it could be related to Anthem. Or it could be that BioWare is making the case to EA that a good chunk of their customer base prefers SP … to the extent that they would avoid a game like Anthem.
Prior to ME3MP, virtually all my experience was with SP. I'd say all, but there might be some exception I've forgotten about. I discovered that I really like the MP experience that ME3 provided. I also enjoyed MEA MP, but not to the same degree. But I would never have played either, without the SP story first drawing me in.
I'm hopeful for Anthem, but have my doubts. It may turn out to not really interest me. Or it could draw me in. TBD.
But other folks don't feel that way. For a lot of different reasons, they want the SP experience and have no interest in MP. Armed with that knowledge (based on heavy customer response on twitter), BioWare can make the case to EA that SP is important. DA will almost assuredly have a MP component. But if it is a separate element from the SP game, those that want a SP experience exclusively … can have it. The same for ME.
But unless BioWare asks the question, they have nothing but their "feelings" to base a SP case upon, when making it to EA. So they have to ask the question … putting it to their customer base.
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Post by Marduk on Feb 9, 2019 6:04:20 GMT
Casual PvE content is enjoyable with others. main issue is with PvP games. MOBAs are the main example. i tend to use mute option though which helps a lot.
Battle Royales got popular as a result of such a thing probably. you queue solo so if you lose its on you as oppose to trying team play for 20 minutes just to have a teammate disconnect or worse feed the enemy.
Developers should focus more on positivity. for example in my Apex match (which has good communication system thankfully) when my teammate dropped a loot for me i got a prompt allowing me to thank him/her. such little details go a long way.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 9, 2019 13:37:30 GMT
Pretty sure it was a PR-safe way of getting answers they need to lure in their traditional fanbase with new Anthem content down the line. It's market research, though considering how many SP games Bioware have made, it should be obvious to them why their traditional fanbase aren't dancing for joy for Anthem. This reminds me of something else. People, say "Oh, Bioware started out as multiplayer! Baldurs Gate had it!" etc.
They were not the same thing at all. Not remotely comparable to the current iteration of multiplayer. Even putting aside the glaring lack of monetization in Balders Gate MP
It was also different time periods, but it can't be understated that they had experience with online experimentation is more of the point that should be made. Let's be honest though this is not Bioware's first multiplayer focused game, and the big one folks liked was neverwinter nights. It's a terrible game but brilliant toolset with multiplayer capabilities that were unique in 2002s landscape. That game thrived on online communities and dungeon modules. I feel people are severely underestimating the appeal for online play, and how much it does overlap with offline single player minded folks.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 9, 2019 13:48:07 GMT
Bio keeps harping about future stories. Perhaps, as some up posters have said, the case can be made to EA to add a SP DLC down the line, for another 40-60 bucks.
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Post by traks on Feb 9, 2019 14:17:17 GMT
Bio keeps harping about future stories. Perhaps, as some up posters have said, the case can be made to EA to add a SP DLC down the line, for another 40-60 bucks.
Story DLC will be free and you can play all story content solo, so not sure where you want to go here.
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