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Post by biggydx on Feb 20, 2019 7:18:41 GMT
Patrick Weekes was the writer for Solas in Dragon Age: Inquistion, and is now the lead writer for the Dragon Age franchise; succeeding David Gaider. He's been a writer for much of the Mass Effect series and Inquisition (including several DLC's). He's also written a couple of novels and short stories.
I'm not too familiarity with where his writing can specifically be placed for other games he's worked, so I wanted to gauge how people felt about him. Do you think his writing quality well lend itself well to the Dragon Age franchise? Do you have reservations about him taking on a lead role for the games narrative? Or is it a bad decision all around; in your mind?
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Post by river82 on Feb 20, 2019 7:41:12 GMT
His work doesn't really appeal to me, and I never liked Solas much. That being said I liked the ME:T a lot, but I don't know what Weekes did on that. To be honest, the only thing I know about Weekes and Mass Effect was that leak scandal that did the rounds 7 years ago. Will be interesting to see what DA:4 is like
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 20, 2019 8:19:06 GMT
I think that Patrick Weekes would make a fine job on DA 4. Maybe even better than David Gaider if he had stayed as Lead Writer. Patrick Weekes wrote Rannoch and Tuchanka story arcs of Mass Effect 3. This alone is more than enough evidence that he is the best man for the job. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Patrick_WeekesAlso he wrote Mordin and Tali. Last but not least Tali was almost not included in Mass Effect 3 as a full squadmate. Patrick Weekes convinced the team otherwise. So yeah i trust him.
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Post by river82 on Feb 20, 2019 8:24:30 GMT
I think that Patrick Weekes would make a fine job on DA 4. Maybe even better than David Gaider if he had stayed as Lead Writer. Patrick Weekes wrote Rannoch and Tuchanka story arcs of Mass Effect 3. This alone is more than enough evidence that he is the best man for the job. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Patrick_WeekesAlso he wrote Mordin and Tali. Last but not least Tali was almost not included in Mass Effect 3 as a full squadmate. Patrick Weekes convinced the team otherwise. So yeah i trust him. 0.0 0.0 0.0 Mrdin and Tali are my two favourite characters in Mass Effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well ... Tali's first, then comes Garrus and Mordin at about the same level. Why would they not include Tali as a full squadmate????? Much more hyped about DA4 after hearing this
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2019 8:33:44 GMT
In the Acknowledgements to Masked Empire he credits several people with bringing him up to speed on Dragon Age lore to underpin his writing of the novel, so it would seem that prior to working on that and DAI, he had not been more than a casual player of Dragon Age if at all. However, peer review should have ensured he did not introduce any lore to either the book or the game which veterans of the writing team would not approve. Therefore any issues I had with changes to the lore from previous games were with the writing team as a whole, not just PW. Having worked on those characters in DAI, I assume his knowledge of the lore has improved somewhat.
By his own admission, he prefers writing conflicted characters to out and out villains. He wrote Iron Bull and Cole as well as Solas. He also wrote Mordin for MET and there are great similarities between that character and Solas, in that they both took actions in the past which they thought were necessary at the time but further down the line wish to reverse them. As Solas would appear to be the main antagonist going forward, it does seem likely that we will get greater depth to his story than we did for Corypheus, so from that PoV having PW as the lead writer might well be an improvement.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 20, 2019 8:43:21 GMT
Why would they not include Tali as a full squadmate????? Maybe they had feared that this went over the budget? So time or/and money i guess.
But it would had felt wrong if Tali wasn´t a full squadmate. Very wrong.
Also along with others like cinematic designer John Epler he convinced the team to make The Iron Bull a romance option for every Inquisitor. the Iron Bull was meant to be a race-specific romance due to technical limitations related to him being extremely large and tall. He also originally had dialog that explained why he couldn't romance the Inquisitor.
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 20, 2019 8:55:03 GMT
I have some concerns about his politics. I’m a leftie, but I know he leans REALLY far to the left. My fear is that DA is going to be heavily sanitized under his direction, or at least extremely unsubtle in terms of DA’s general goal of representation. You could start to see the beginnings of that in DAI. The Inquisition resembles the cast of Rent, while Corypheus’ forces tend to be coded as white and straight. I question whether Weekes could write or even allow the presence of a gay villain like Branka or Marjolaine. (To be clear, I’m not saying gay people are evil, but nor do I think they should automatically be saints in a morally grey setting like Dragon Age.) I just don’t want Dragon Age to become She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. By his own admission, he prefers writing conflicted characters to out and out villains. He wrote Iron Bull and Cole as well as Solas. That doesn’t quite track with his non-DA and ME-related writing. I read The Palace Job and I can tell you there were some pretty evil bastards in that book.
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 20, 2019 9:26:54 GMT
I have some concerns about his politics. I know he leans really far to the left. My fear is that DA is going to be heavily sanitized under his direction, or at least extremely unsubtle in terms of DA’s general goal of representation. I agree. To me it seems like he cares more about representation and correctness than good writing. For example Krem was cool until the revelation and how poorly all of that was handled. Like compare her to Mae who was so well written and felt like a real character and not just a token transgender character. Same with Bull. Was so disappointed with those sex scenes. Too much explaining boring IRL rules straight outta wikipedia and not enough passion (and the dialogue was mostly cringe worthy too).
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Post by apollexander on Feb 20, 2019 9:48:17 GMT
Patrick Weekes is a good guy. I'm reading The Masked Empire and I think his writing skill is better than David Gaider's. However, in-game writing is different from novel writing, and leading other writers is also another thing. I can't say Weekes is definitely better because Gaider had done great job. On the other hand, Weekes had also done well on Trespasser, and he collaborates well with the narrative director, John Epler. I trust these partners.
Here is one of the most excellent lectures presented by Weekes and Epler.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 20, 2019 10:10:13 GMT
You could start to see the beginnings of that in DAI. The Inquisition resembles the cast of Rent, while Corypheus’ forces tend to be white and straight. And we know they're straight because...? While we know that Alexius and Calpernia have had opposite-sex relationships, there's nothing stating they're not bi. Then we have Florianne, Samson, and Erimond, whose sexuality we know nothing about whatsoever.
As for color, only Dorian, Vivienne, and Josephine are persons of color, which isn't even half, much less a majority.
Aside from that, PW wasn't the lead on the majority of DAI.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 20, 2019 11:30:16 GMT
I'm scared that he won't put in enough white women for straight guys to pretend-fuck.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 20, 2019 12:59:30 GMT
While certainly a fine character writer i still have certain reservations about him in the lead role.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 20, 2019 13:26:22 GMT
I have some concerns about his politics. I know he leans really far to the left. My fear is that DA is going to be heavily sanitized under his direction, or at least extremely unsubtle in terms of DA’s general goal of representation. Politically speaking, I'm not concerned because Dragon Age has been a Left leaning work since the beginning. As long as the games continue to be mainly about fantasy, I don't mind the minor political messages sprinkled here and there.
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 20, 2019 13:27:59 GMT
Character-wise, my expectations are way beyond positive, having played through ME2/3 and DAI. His resume speaks for itself. As far as story arcs go, I'm still on the fence, since while he has proven to be excellent at toying with people's emotions, he also took certain concepts of the lore and put them in clear-cut good/bad camps. Let's look at Tuchanka, for example: while the genophage is clearly a horrible thing for the krogan (it literally led to piles of stillborn krogan babies IIRC, which would certainly break any race's spirit), I feel like the story didn't allow much room for debate regarding its overall necessity. Remember that before the genophage, the krogan were multiplying at alarming rates, completely occupying the planets they settled in, and they forcefully attempted to claim an asari world as their territory, refused to give it back, and dared the Council to take it from them. Plus, while I haven't played through the trilogy (or any game, for that matter) in a while, I believe that in ME2 Wrex was building a new krogan society in spite of the genophage, and I think he initally rejected Maelon's cure (or at least didn't think it was worth it). Which makes his sudden insistence in curing the genophage slightly jarring, IMO. On the other hand, I really enjoyed Trespasser, so... I really am undecided. I have some concerns about his politics. I know he leans really far to the left. My fear is that DA is going to be heavily sanitized under his direction, or at least extremely unsubtle in terms of DA’s general goal of representation. You could start to see the beginnings of that in DAI. The Inquisition resembles the cast of Rent, while Corypheus’ forces tend to be white and straight. I question whether Weekes could write or even allow the presence of a gay villain like Branka or Marjolaine. (To be clear, I’m not saying gay people are evil, but nor do I think they should automatically be saints in a morally grey setting like Dragon Age.) DAI's base game already felt sanitized, and Weekes wasn't the lead writer back then. True, I don't know what he was involved with beyond Solas, IB and Cole, but associating the two seems a bit much. I'd say that might be a good thing. All signs point to Tevinter, and it seems like they have more than a few evil bastards there. Danarius and (for comic readers) Titus were two such fellows. EDIT: I have some concerns about his politics. I know he leans really far to the left. My fear is that DA is going to be heavily sanitized under his direction, or at least extremely unsubtle in terms of DA’s general goal of representation. Politically speaking, I'm not concerned because Dragon Age has been a Left leaning work since the beginning. As long as the games continue to be mainly about fantasy, I don't mind the minor political messages sprinkled here and there. True. I like to point at Orzammar in Origins for one of my favorite examples in Bhelen. Even though he's a scumbag, he's supportive of casteless rights and the epilogue slides imply that Orzammar flourishes under his rule, compared to the more traditionalist yet affable Harrowmont.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 20, 2019 13:35:36 GMT
Politically speaking, I'm not concerned because Dragon Age has been a Left leaning work since the beginning. As long as the games continue to be mainly about fantasy, I don't mind the minor political messages sprinkled here and there. True. I like to point at Orzammar in Origins for one of my favorite examples in Bhelen. Even though he's a scumbag, he's supportive of casteless rights and the epilogue slides imply that Orzammar flourishes under his rule, compared to the more traditionalist yet affable Harrowmont. I'm not sure where exactly are we agreeing here.
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 20, 2019 13:46:57 GMT
True. I like to point at Orzammar in Origins for one of my favorite examples in Bhelen. Even though he's a scumbag, he's supportive of casteless rights and the epilogue slides imply that Orzammar flourishes under his rule, compared to the more traditionalist yet affable Harrowmont. I'm not sure where exactly are we agreeing here. Maybe I misinterpreted things. I myself believe that Bhelen's policies in DAO held certain parallels with more left-leaning principles. Then again, politics is not something I tend to pay attention to, so it may have likely been a typical case of foot-in-mouth syndrome on my part. Sorry for that.
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Post by river82 on Feb 20, 2019 13:59:35 GMT
I have some concerns about his politics. I know he leans really far to the left. My fear is that DA is going to be heavily sanitized under his direction, or at least extremely unsubtle in terms of DA’s general goal of representation. Politically speaking, I'm not concerned because Dragon Age has been a Left leaning work since the beginning. As long as the games continue to be mainly about fantasy, I don't mind the minor political messages sprinkled here and there. Agree with this. Where I draw the line is when a work starts telling the reader straight out what they should be thinking or feeling. That's my definition of preachiness btw. Dragon Age hasn't reached that point with me yet, so I'm fine with it.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 20, 2019 14:05:51 GMT
Politically speaking, I'm not concerned because Dragon Age has been a Left leaning work since the beginning. As long as the games continue to be mainly about fantasy, I don't mind the minor political messages sprinkled here and there. Agree with this. Where I draw the line is when a work starts telling the reader straight out what they should be thinking or feeling. That's my definition of preachiness btw. Dragon Age hasn't reached that point with me yet, so I'm fine with it. Like when Cassandra was all "Wow, you're a female leader" and I had the option to say "Why does it matter that I'm a woman?" (I don't do identity politics). That was nice, because I was allowed to disagree.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 20, 2019 14:17:58 GMT
He's a good guy. He will do well writing the next game. Besides if he isn't the one writing, who else would you have that has the same knowledge as him about DA?
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Post by simit on Feb 20, 2019 14:20:17 GMT
They'll be ppl that like it an they'll be ppl that don't, just like with David Gaider, who by all accounts was as left leaning as Patrick.
The guy can write, noone here can deny that, an he wrote some good stuff that i've enjoyed for the games i've played so the least i can do is give him, not to mention nigh the damn same team that brought us the previous games, the benefit of doubt an look forward to the next instalment.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 20, 2019 14:33:10 GMT
I'm also scared that Weekes won't give me a neverending orgy of minority abuse that I can jack off to while I use my other hand to explain to whiny snowflakes that it's just an unfortunate reality of the setting, and allowing gays and browns to go unmolested would be an assault on artistic integrity.
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Post by bizantura on Feb 20, 2019 14:51:18 GMT
Not expecting much, Anthem writing non-existent and Andromeda character writing was awful and overall story generic. Seems writers are paid for sleeping at Bioware in its current state.
If DA4 gets made I will await reviews before buy, I am that disappointed in Bioware of late. Seems they unlearned storytelling in such a degree it is frightening but did learn life service and MTX.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 20, 2019 16:01:41 GMT
I think that Patrick Weekes would make a fine job on DA 4. Maybe even better than David Gaider if he had stayed as Lead Writer. Patrick Weekes wrote Rannoch and Tuchanka story arcs of Mass Effect 3. This alone is more than enough evidence that he is the best man for the job. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Patrick_WeekesAlso he wrote Mordin and Tali. Last but not least Tali was almost not included in Mass Effect 3 as a full squadmate. Patrick Weekes convinced the team otherwise. So yeah i trust him. The ME Citadel and DA Trespasser DLCs were also his babies IIRC. Yeah, the Writers' Pit is solid, and is my least concern for DA 4.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 20, 2019 16:13:37 GMT
I guess I have some concerns, but considering he was basically lead writer on Trespasser, which I thought was great, not many.
I did feel DAI lost some of the gritty aesthetic of the first two games but I don’t think that’s on Patrick. I can see some of the political concerns, I am one of those who that thought the reveal of Krem as trans was awkward and a bit preachy, on the other hand I thought Mae was handled well so hopefully they can build on that.
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 20, 2019 16:42:53 GMT
I guess I have some concerns, but considering he was basically lead writer on Trespasser, which I thought was great, not many. I did feel DAI lost some of the gritty aesthetic of the first two games but I don’t think that’s on Patrick. I can see some of the political concerns, I am one of those who that thought the reveal of Krem as trans was awkward and a bit preachy, on the other hand I thought Mae was handled well so hopefully they can build on that. I agree with you on the grittiness. I hope Patrick brings it back. As for the political concerns... IMO, Krem felt really bland beyond being trans. It made me feel like he was there just so the game can have a trans character, without even trying to add more to his character. Which makes me (perhaps unnecessarily) scared, because I really dig Maevaris (especially after reading her WoT2 snippet) and I don't want the writers to drop the ball with her like I feel they did with Krem or (god almighty forbid it) Hainly Abrams in Andromeda.
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