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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 21, 2019 4:27:55 GMT
But what if the straight romance options in DA4 were restricted to, say, Harding-style romances? Just a casual acknowledgement of a relationship and nothing further than that? Or what if they were dropped altogether?
Lace Harding would be good in my opinion ... certainly more appealing than prickly Cassandra, bland Josephine, or woozy Merrill. First, hold your hateful tongue, you swine.
Second, I don't think you actually understood what I meant. I'm not talking about Harding as a love interest, I'm talking about her "romance" being completely perfunctory.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 21, 2019 4:38:01 GMT
But what if the straight romance options in DA4 were restricted to, say, Harding-style romances? Just a casual acknowledgement of a relationship and nothing further than that? Or what if they were dropped altogether?
Lace Harding would be good in my opinion ... certainly more appealing than prickly Cassandra, bland Josephine, or woozy Merrill.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 21, 2019 4:41:11 GMT
*crosses fingers for her to be an Ace/Demi LI if they do MEA2* Hey, Hanako, on this subject, would this be something akin to what you're looking for? This is from a game called Divinity: Dragon Commander. Give it a look if you have 15 minutes.
*snip*
Note: this is the more compassionate path. You can push her to become more severe, and she never shows any affection for anything except THE LAW.
Hmm, well maybe more affection than that but kind of. I'd still point to characters like Josephine in DAI or even Curie from Fallout 4 for a non-Bioware romance.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 21, 2019 5:06:59 GMT
GIVING GAYS FAIR TREATMENT IS PANDERING AND EXCLUDING THEM IS AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRT. NYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER. FANTASY SOCIETIES WITH GENDER EQUALITY ARE SHALLOW WISH FULFILLMENT, NOT LIKE GREAT WORKS OF FANTASY LITERATURE WHERE WOMEN ARE BASICALLY PILLOWS YOU CAN FUCK. EOWYN WHO? ALSO PATRICK WEEKES NEEDS TO SACK UP AND CHAIN HIS DAUGHTER TO THE SINK, I GUESS????? Nope. I meant exactly what I said, no more or less. Maybe you're not used to arguing in anything other than hyperbole, but in my experience expressing yourself clearly is kind of the point of expressing yourself. I don't know why you feel the need to read every word as some allusion to much larger and worse meanings, or why you just assume instead of asking if that's the case, but that's your problem, not mine. Define fair treatment. Do it. Tell me exactly what it is you want to see, that'll satisfy this creepy crusade you feel like you're on where you have to lie and whine and insult everyone who disagrees with you to be a good boy, all the while talking up people you've never met and who have certainly never asked you to represent them. To say nothing of attacking others on a hair-trigger in their name. Be specific. Be concrete. Spare no detail. Don't give me another vague bucket of passive-aggressive shit rhetoric in lieu of actual arguments, tell me how the next game should work to respect every possible intersection of gender and sexuality that you personally recognize so you won't think the head writer is just half-assing it. I haven't the faintest idea what precisely it is you want. Neither does Weekes. Neither does anyone else, I imagine. But you just feel perfectly justified throwing shit at people for deliberately or accidentally missing the mark, or even vaguely sounding like they might be interested in also seeing something else. I respect gays, lesbians, bis and women the same as I do anyone, which is to say very little until they personally give me a reason to. I also don't dislike them until they personally give me a reason to. You know what absolutely none of them have earned from me? For whiny little brats who don't know the difference between fairness, as in honest and honorable treatment, and fucking symmetry to decide how I should think or talk or what I should feel comfortable with in entertainment on their behalf.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 21, 2019 5:13:50 GMT
Although some would disagree, I would say we haven't lost anything ... yet. But what if the straight romance options in DA4 were restricted to, say, Harding-style romances? Just a casual acknowledgement of a relationship and nothing further than that? Or what if they were dropped altogether? There is no basis for this fear whatsoever beyond sheer paranoia. I'm not talking about Harding as a love interest, I'm talking about her "romance" being completely perfunctory. Per PW himself, Harding was a flirtation, not an actual romance option. As much as I've enjoyed my favorite romances in the series for how much they've meant for me, my characters, and added replayability to the game, I sometimes think the better course would be not to have them at all because of the fandom reaction.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 21, 2019 5:24:19 GMT
Lace Harding would be good in my opinion ... certainly more appealing than prickly Cassandra, bland Josephine, or woozy Merrill. Outside of "bland," which is a matter of opinion, some people like those other two because they are "prickly" and "woozy," and for how those attributes add to their romances.
I really enjoy Cassandra's friend path because you get to move on from from that initial stage. Also, the scene where you catch her reading Swords and Shields is one of my favs in the entire game -- "Pretend you don't know this about me."
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 21, 2019 5:39:57 GMT
GIVING GAYS FAIR TREATMENT IS PANDERING AND EXCLUDING THEM IS AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRT. NYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER. FANTASY SOCIETIES WITH GENDER EQUALITY ARE SHALLOW WISH FULFILLMENT, NOT LIKE GREAT WORKS OF FANTASY LITERATURE WHERE WOMEN ARE BASICALLY PILLOWS YOU CAN FUCK. EOWYN WHO? ALSO PATRICK WEEKES NEEDS TO SACK UP AND CHAIN HIS DAUGHTER TO THE SINK, I GUESS????? Nope. I meant exactly what I said, no more or less. Maybe you're not used to arguing in anything other than hyperbole, but in my experience expressing yourself clearly is kind of the point of expressing yourself. I don't know why you feel the need to read every word as some allusion to much larger and worse meanings, or why you just assume instead of asking if that's the case, but that's your problem, not mine. Define fair treatment. Do it. Tell me exactly what it is you want to see, that'll satisfy this creepy crusade you feel like you're on where you have to lie and whine and insult everyone who disagrees with you to be a good boy, all the while talking up people you've never met and who have certainly never asked you to represent them. To say nothing of attacking others on a hair-trigger in their name. Be specific. Be concrete. Spare no detail. Don't give me another vague bucket of passive-aggressive shit rhetoric in lieu of actual arguments, tell me how the next game should work to respect every possible intersection of gender and sexuality that you personally recognize so you won't think the head writer is just half-assing it. I haven't the faintest idea what precisely it is you want. Neither does Weekes. Neither does anyone else, I imagine. But you just feel perfectly justified throwing shit at people for deliberately or accidentally missing the mark, or even vaguely sounding like they might be interested in also seeing something else. I respect gays, lesbians, bis and women the same as I do anyone, which is to say very little until they personally give me a reason to. I also don't dislike them until they personally give me a reason to. You know what absolutely none of them have earned from me? For whiny little brats who don't know the difference between fairness, as in honest and honorable treatment, and fucking symmetry to decide how I should think or talk or what I should feel comfortable with in entertainment on their behalf. I'm just translating the dogwhistles so regular people can understand them I want equality. I want the same sex romances to have the same quantity and quality of the hetero romances, meaning the same number of options, and plotlines that don't revolve around the character's sexuality. Seems pretty fucking simple to me. Symmetry IS fairness. There is no difference. I have no idea what straight women or trans people want, and I'm not speaking on their behalf, just pointing out the absurdity of making appeals to the historical accuracy of gender roles, when historical accuracy is not and has never been the goal of fantasy, and warrior women have been a staple of the genre since its inception. I don't expect Weekes to know anything about me. Nothing I said in this thread has been addressed to him at all. I've specifically been targeting the obvious and hilarious right wing dogwhistling going on in this trainwreck of a thread. "Oh, I'm worried that Patrick is TOO left-leaning." "I just think the cast of Inquisition is TOO diverse already." "Oh, just I think the deep, morally gray, political story (lol wut) has been sanitised by Patrick's radical social justice agenda." It doesn't take a fucking decoder ring. I'm not defending Weekes, I'm attacking bigots. That was never a secret. As for your comfort? Well that sounds like a you problem. I'm gunning for a seat at the table, and if I have to push someone off theirs, I fucking will.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 21, 2019 5:43:32 GMT
Nope. I meant exactly what I said, no more or less. Maybe you're not used to arguing in anything other than hyperbole, but in my experience expressing yourself clearly is kind of the point of expressing yourself. I don't know why you feel the need to read every word as some allusion to much larger and worse meanings, or why you just assume instead of asking if that's the case, but that's your problem, not mine. Define fair treatment. Do it. Tell me exactly what it is you want to see, that'll satisfy this creepy crusade you feel like you're on where you have to lie and whine and insult everyone who disagrees with you to be a good boy, all the while talking up people you've never met and who have certainly never asked you to represent them. To say nothing of attacking others on a hair-trigger in their name. Be specific. Be concrete. Spare no detail. Don't give me another vague bucket of passive-aggressive shit rhetoric in lieu of actual arguments, tell me how the next game should work to respect every possible intersection of gender and sexuality that you personally recognize so you won't think the head writer is just half-assing it. I haven't the faintest idea what precisely it is you want. Neither does Weekes. Neither does anyone else, I imagine. But you just feel perfectly justified throwing shit at people for deliberately or accidentally missing the mark, or even vaguely sounding like they might be interested in also seeing something else. I respect gays, lesbians, bis and women the same as I do anyone, which is to say very little until they personally give me a reason to. I also don't dislike them until they personally give me a reason to. You know what absolutely none of them have earned from me? For whiny little brats who don't know the difference between fairness, as in honest and honorable treatment, and fucking symmetry to decide how I should think or talk or what I should feel comfortable with in entertainment on their behalf. I'm just translating the dogwhistles so regular people can understand them I want equality. I want the same sex romances to have the same quantity and quality of the hetero romances, meaning the same number of options, and plotlines that don't revolve around the character's sexuality. Seems pretty fucking simple to me. Symmetry IS fairness. There is no difference. I have no idea what straight women or trans people want, and I'm not speaking on their behalf, just pointing out the absurdity of making appeals to the historical accuracy of gender roles, when historical accuracy is not and has never been the goal of fantasy, and warrior women have been a staple of the genre since its inception. I don't expect Weekes to know anything about me. Nothing I said in this thread has been addressed to him at all. I've specifically been targeting the obvious and hilarious right wing dogwhistling going on in this trainwreck of a thread. "Oh, I'm worried that Patrick is TOO left-leaning." "I just think the cast of Inquisition is TOO diverse already." "Oh, just I think the deep, morally gray, political story (lol wut) has been sanitised by Patrick's radical social justice agenda." It doesn't take a fucking decoder ring. I'm not defending Weekes, I'm attacking bigots. That was never a secret. As for your comfort? Well that sounds like a you problem. I'm gunning for a seat at the table, and if I have to push someone off theirs, I fucking will. ironically enough i believe hes been acussed of selling out to the "right" too.
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Post by githcheater on Feb 21, 2019 5:52:26 GMT
Equal representation and a seat at the table ... and yet still "shovey" ... charming
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Post by river82 on Feb 21, 2019 5:53:27 GMT
Sometimes I wish Bioware would just remove all the romances.
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 21, 2019 5:54:03 GMT
I'm gunning for a seat at the table, and if I have to push someone off theirs, I fucking will. And therein lies the problem. I’m happy with you sitting at the table, but you don’t seem to think your chair is big enough, and you want to bring in a new one that’ll force me to go sit somewhere else. Unfortunately, the waiter is far more willing to listen to your concerns than mine, even though I was here first. Sometimes I wish Bioware would just remove all the romances. That would only partially alleviate my concerns about Patrick Weekes.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 21, 2019 6:06:33 GMT
I'm gunning for a seat at the table, and if I have to push someone off theirs, I fucking will. And therein lies the problem. I’m happy with you sitting at the table, but you don’t seem to think your chair is big enough, and you want to bring in a new one that’ll force me to go sit somewhere else. Unfortunately, the waiter is far more willing to listen to your concerns than mine, even though I was here first. You're only there first because I spent most of recorded history locked outside. And yeah, there's a finite amount of content that can be produced, eventually there won't be anymore. And every single thing (book, game, movie, whatever) that's made for me takes a spot that COULD have been used to make something for you. That's just the reality of it.. You can either appreciate that you've lucked out until now, and back off a bit so others can have a fair amount. Or you can fight to hold on to the lion's share you've already got.
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 21, 2019 6:13:17 GMT
You're only there first because I spent most of recorded history locked outside. Not when it comes to Dragon Age, which is my only concern. Your chair is the same size as mine. Initially, it was smaller, but then you got the same chair as the rest of us. But now you want a bigger chair still. You can either appreciate that you've lucked out until now, and back off a bit so others can have a fair amount. Or you can fight to hold on to the lion's share you've already got. Well, I guess it’s true: all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 21, 2019 6:13:22 GMT
My biggest concern over Patrick Weekes and his writing is the now Gaider-filter free flood of apostrophes that we're likely to be subjected to.
Robert Jordan had nothing on Weekes and Jordan could put an apostrophe just about anywhere.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 21, 2019 6:17:52 GMT
My biggest concern over Patrick Weekes and his writing is the now Gaider-filter free flood of apostrophes that we're likely to be subjected to. Robert Jordan had nothing on Weekes and Jordan could put an apostrophe just about anywhere. P'a'trick can hear you, you know.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 21, 2019 6:20:21 GMT
Seeing all the comments regarding Trespasser, I just realized I never once bought any of the DLC's for the Dragon Age franchise, even though I've played every game in the franchise; DA2 and DAI multiple times over.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 21, 2019 6:23:59 GMT
Seeing all the comments regarding Trespasser, I just realized I never once bought any of the DLC's for the Dragon Age franchise, even though I've played every game in the franchise; DA2 and DAI multiple times over. Really? You aren't missing much - except Shale - for DAO, but DA2 the DLCs are the best part of the game to my mind. DAI's DLC are good until Trespasser (which is fantastic).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 21, 2019 6:24:59 GMT
My biggest concern over Patrick Weekes and his writing is the now Gaider-filter free flood of apostrophes that we're likely to be subjected to. Robert Jordan had nothing on Weekes and Jordan could put an apostrophe just about anywhere. P'a'trick can hear you, you know. I'm not scared of him. No one who likes Lego that much can be all bad.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 21, 2019 6:25:44 GMT
Not when it comes to Dragon Age, which is my only concern. I don't know what your other issues are, but regarding romances, nothing about Dragon Age suggests a foundation for your concerns. All three games have had at least two options for m/f. In DAO, the same-sex options were limited to just one for those players, so they didn't even have a choice between characters. In DA2 and DAI, same-sex players got two each, just like m/f. The only group that has gotten more over time has been f/m, as they got an extra with Sebastian in DA2, and both Cullen and Solas in DAI. Even with that, m/f still got two, just as they always have. Nothing is going to be taken away from you.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 21, 2019 6:26:29 GMT
P'a'trick can hear you, you know. I'm not scared of him. No one who likes Lego that much can be all bad. You mean Le'go
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Post by caladrius on Feb 21, 2019 6:28:38 GMT
I'm gunning for a seat at the table, and if I have to push someone off theirs, I fucking will. And therein lies the problem. I’m happy with you sitting at the table, but you don’t seem to think your chair is big enough, and you want to bring in a new one that’ll force me to go sit somewhere else. Unfortunately, the waiter is far more willing to listen to your concerns than mine, even though I was here first. Sometimes I wish Bioware would just remove all the romances. That would only partially alleviate my concerns about Patrick Weekes. Straight guys are going to get at least two options because they’ve said on the DA team that they make it policy to give everyone two. I don’t doubt that, nor do I want them to just leave out straight guys. Believing you were “there first” just because you’ve traditionally gotten more than other demographics just shows an incredible amount of entitlement, though.
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 21, 2019 6:31:18 GMT
I mean in the context of my affiliation with Dragon Age versus Pessimist Panda’s. Again, my only concern is Dragon Age. If you want to have a conversation about LGBT representation in other series, I’ll gladly hear your grievances and offer my support. But when it comes to this series, I will not be pushed out quietly. I have planted my flag here and I will surrender no ground. Nothing is going to be taken away from you. I sincerely hope that is the case. But as you may have noticed, PP just made the argument that we can’t all have an equal share.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 21, 2019 6:36:18 GMT
And therein lies the problem. I’m happy with you sitting at the table, but you don’t seem to think your chair is big enough, and you want to bring in a new one that’ll force me to go sit somewhere else. Unfortunately, the waiter is far more willing to listen to your concerns than mine, even though I was here first. That would only partially alleviate my concerns about Patrick Weekes. Straight guys are going to get at least two options because they’ve said on the DA team that they make it policy to give everyone two. I don’t doubt that, nor do I want them to just leave out straight guys. Believing you were “there first” just because you’ve traditionally gotten more than other demographics just shows an incredible amount of entitlement, though. 'So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." And the LORD God also took one of Adam's nipples, and fashioned Lance, the first gay, to blow Man when Woman was being a bitch for no reason.' It's all in Genesis, dude.
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Post by Frost on Feb 21, 2019 6:38:23 GMT
Seeing all the comments regarding Trespasser, I just realized I never once bought any of the DLC's for the Dragon Age franchise, even though I've played every game in the franchise; DA2 and DAI multiple times over. Time to get Trespasser, then.
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Post by river82 on Feb 21, 2019 6:41:54 GMT
My biggest concern over Patrick Weekes and his writing is the now Gaider-filter free flood of apostrophes that we're likely to be subjected to. Robert Jordan had nothing on Weekes and Jordan could put an apostrophe just about anywhere. Read so much fantasy I barely even notice them any more. Bring it on
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