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Post by Heimdall on Feb 22, 2019 10:13:12 GMT
I’m taking a little break and doing something a little different this week.
What if the ancient enemy of the elves are dragons? Also, I hate the idea that all ancient mysteries might just be a case of “the elves did it”
Anyway, I’m going on a two week hiatus so no video next week.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 22, 2019 11:09:29 GMT
What if the ancient enemy of the elves are dragons? Also, I hate the idea that all ancient mysteries might just be a case of “the elves did it” It does not surprise me that so much of the ancient stuff is connected to the elves in some way. After all, who else was there back then? If they're not going to introduce completely new factions, it's very likely that the elves were somehow involved in those ancient mysteries, maybe not exactly as "the elves did it", but something their mere presence triggered, or something else loosely similar.
In fact, there aren't a great many typologically different ways to explain, say, the Blight. If it's some sort of infection, then there's something that triggered it and someone who was responsible for triggering it. Or it was random, which is very realistic but also not really interesting, is it? Or it is a primordial force which is equally uninteresting. Clearly, the most compelling origin in storytelling terms is that someone was responsible, though it may have been intention or accident that triggered its emergence. And if someone was responsible, it was either the elves or the titans - again, who else was there - or some unknown faction.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 22, 2019 11:16:34 GMT
This is the first of your vids I've watched. I was compelled by the bizarre title!
I'm not too into theorizing in general, but you presented it all well enough that I found it to be plausible. Nicely done, and I like the format.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 22, 2019 11:51:04 GMT
What if the ancient enemy of the elves are dragons? Also, I hate the idea that all ancient mysteries might just be a case of “the elves did it” It does not surprise me that so much of the ancient stuff is connected to the elves in some way. After all, who else was there back then? If they're not going to introduce completely new factions, it's very likely that the elves were somehow involved in those ancient mysteries, maybe not exactly as "the elves did it", but something their mere presence triggered, or something else loosely similar.
In fact, there aren't a great many typologically different ways to explain, say, the Blight. If it's some sort of infection, then there's something that triggered it and someone who was responsible for triggering it. Or it was random, which is very realistic but also not really interesting, is it? Or it is a primordial force which is equally uninteresting. Clearly, the most compelling origin in storytelling terms is that someone was responsible, though it may have been intention or accident that triggered its emergence. And if someone was responsible, it was either the elves or the titans - again, who else was there - or some unknown faction.
I don’t mind the elves being involved, but I’ve never liked the idea that virtually every source of ancient power was elven. Hence I don’t like the theory that the Old Gods are the physical forms of the elven gods or the forgotten ones. I’d rather they be their own thing, as I propose in this theory. I do find it interesting just how unexplored Dragons are in the lore of a series called “Dragon Age”
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 22, 2019 12:10:43 GMT
It does not surprise me that so much of the ancient stuff is connected to the elves in some way. After all, who else was there back then? If they're not going to introduce completely new factions, it's very likely that the elves were somehow involved in those ancient mysteries, maybe not exactly as "the elves did it", but something their mere presence triggered, or something else loosely similar.
In fact, there aren't a great many typologically different ways to explain, say, the Blight. If it's some sort of infection, then there's something that triggered it and someone who was responsible for triggering it. Or it was random, which is very realistic but also not really interesting, is it? Or it is a primordial force which is equally uninteresting. Clearly, the most compelling origin in storytelling terms is that someone was responsible, though it may have been intention or accident that triggered its emergence. And if someone was responsible, it was either the elves or the titans - again, who else was there - or some unknown faction.
I don’t mind the elves being involved, but I’ve never liked the idea that virtually every source of ancient power was elven. Hence I don’t like the theory that the Old Gods are the physical forms of the elven gods or the forgotten ones. I’d rather they be their own thing, as I propose in this theory. I do find it interesting just how unexplored Dragons are in the lore of a series called “Dragon Age” It can be both. The Evanuris could take dragon form, but they must've gotten the idea from somewhere. I like the idea that the Old Gods and the Evanuris are thusly connected but I have this idea that there was also a species of intelligent primordial dragons from whom all present dragonkind descend in some way, among which I'd count the qunari.
Maybe that's similar to the idea in your video, I couldn't watch it as yet. Has to wait until I get home.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 22, 2019 14:47:06 GMT
This is the first of your vids I've watched. I was compelled by the bizarre title! I'm not too into theorizing in general, but you presented it all well enough that I found it to be plausible. Nicely done, and I like the format. Thanks! And neither am I honestly, when it comes to theory crafting. I’m not sure how many of these I have in me, but I wanted to try something a little more casual and different. I just finished DAO for the first time in years, so I’m also thinking of trying my hand at a review as well.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 23, 2019 1:14:11 GMT
I’m also thinking of trying my hand at a review as well. Well, as long as you're objective about it and keep in mind that liking iso camera or the (slower) combat style is a matter of player preference and not some objective indicator that those features make it a "great" game. The same goes for the dialogue style. (Sorry if that sounds pissy. I get so tired of other players using their own likes/dislikes to state that something is objectively good or bad -- and I've seen it in reviews as well! -- like it's some universal truth.)
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 23, 2019 1:51:16 GMT
I’m also thinking of trying my hand at a review as well. Well, as long as you're objective about it and keep in mind that liking iso camera or the (slower) combat style is a matter of player preference and not some objective indicator that those features make it a "great" game. The same goes for the dialogue style. (Sorry if that sounds pissy. I get so tired of other players using their own likes/dislikes to state that something is objectively good or bad -- and I've seen it in reviews as well! -- like it's some universal truth.) It might come from originally experiencing the game through Xbox 360, but I barely bothered to use it myself, so no worries about that. I will probably end up being objective in saying “it’s good, if x is your thing” on a lot of things.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Feb 23, 2019 1:57:51 GMT
Ooo I love theory videos.
There's alot we don't know about dragons and Great Dragons in particular, but being the ancient enemy that was so powerful defeating them elevated the Evanuris to god status is something they'd slot neatly into. Since Great Dragons are supposed to be more intelligent then high dragons, and one of them is awake, perhaps we'll get the chance to speak to it. If it can speak. Hearing an account of the ancient world from a non elf source would be really interesting.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 23, 2019 10:35:23 GMT
I'm not entirely convinced that dragons were the ancient enemy that the Evanuris defeated on their rise to power but it does make an interesting theory and let's face it speculation is all we have to go on at present.
If the writers are still keeping to an original over-arching background lore that is underpinning everything, then it would certainly fit with aspects of elven myth and also Yvanna's declaration that "the blood of dragons is the blood of the world". She also seemed to intimate that in destroying dragons, humans were inadvertently bringing about their own doom. Why that should be is rather less clear to me but that is possibly connected with how to combat the Blight.
However, it may well be that history is being constantly evolved by the writers from original vague ideas. For example, what was revealed about Titans and their connection with lyrium in the Descent would suggest that their blood is the blood of the world. Although it is possible that dragons are connected to them in some way. The codices associated with the dwarves in the Hissing Wastes referred to the fact that dwarves seemed to have a natural fear of dragons that would be odd for a race that had always allegedly lived underground. That could be because the Evanuris took dragon form but I suppose it could also be that the reason the dwarves originally stayed underground was because "dragons ruled the skies" on the surface. Of course that could also refer to the Fade that is constantly referred to as the sky in ancient lore.
Anyway, as always, I enjoyed the video and it is certainly a theory that is not totally implausible on the basis of what we already know.
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Post by parsival on Feb 23, 2019 12:48:33 GMT
Interesting theory - I certainly think the Dragons are the wild card that pretty much no-one knows anything about. One thing to ponder - if the Dwarves are the beings the Titans created (purposefully or not), could the Qunari (or Kossith) have been created from Dragons, somehow?
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 23, 2019 18:18:54 GMT
could the Qunari (or Kossith) have been created from Dragons, somehow? This seems pretty definite off hints that have been dropped. Also, depending on who originally created the mosaics that we find in DAI, they are represented there and according to Gatsi they definitely seem to pre-date the arrival of the Qun in the Steel Age. Both Kieran and Corypheus suggested that the qunari/kossith race have some sort of breeding that is not natural. Kieran's knowledge came from the Old God possessing him which points to it having occurred at a very ancient period. However, the injection of dragon blood would had to have been with the Kossith race pre-Koslun, whatever Iron Bull likes to believe about it being the actions of the Tamassrans in their Qunari breeding program, since it must have pre-dated the First Blight as it is thought that a Kossith colony in southern Thedas was probably wiped out by darkspawn and the females kidnapped to become the first ogre brood-mothers. We know from this that they already had the physical appearance we are now familiar with. Whilst it is not entirely clear how long the Qun have been in existence, it seems likely the establishment of this society did not occur until after this period, unless the Kossith in the colony had crossed the sea to escape persecution from the original Qun. I am hopeful that the next game is going to enlighten us about the origins of the Kossith and the era in which Koslun lived.
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