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Post by Catilina on Oct 9, 2018 12:28:41 GMT
Neither Zevran. His act isn't personal. I mean... if a guy tried to shoot me in the head, I would take it personally. So, you simple don't want to recruit him. It's not a big thing. We just offered some reasons to ignore that little affair, but if you don't like those ideas... it's your business. To kill him or not to recruit him, undoubtedly logical – but there are reasons to recruit him. Just do, what you want.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 9, 2018 16:00:45 GMT
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Post by Sifr on Oct 12, 2018 3:52:58 GMT
Ah damn, I only just realised I picked the wrong dialogue option so I never got the second offer of the earring to appear. Now I have five hours (and the Landsmeet) to do over again, oops. (When I said I wanted to do the Zevran romance over again, I didn't mean in the same playthrough!)
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Post by Catilina on Oct 12, 2018 12:16:57 GMT
Ah damn, I only just realised I picked the wrong dialogue option so I never got the second offer of the earring to appear. Now I have five hours (and the Landsmeet) to do over again, oops. (When I said I wanted to do the Zevran romance over again, I didn't mean in the same playthrough!) Zevran's romance sadly bugged, and never fixed...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 12, 2018 16:24:44 GMT
Leliana, Sten and Morrigan aren't your enemies when you meet them, though. Neither Zevran. His act isn't personal. Um, just because someone trying to kill you isn't personal doesn't mean they aren't your enemy. Most soldiers aren't motivated personally while fighting but they are still enemies to each other. Even Loghain, who hired Zevran to kill you, isn't doing it against you personally.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 12, 2018 17:42:36 GMT
Neither Zevran. His act isn't personal. Um, just because someone trying to kill you isn't personal doesn't mean they aren't your enemy. Most soldiers aren't motivated personally while fighting but they are still enemies to each other. Even Loghain, who hired Zevran to kill you, isn't doing it against you personally. Most soldiers pretty motivated personally – a mercenary and an assassin less. Loghain was motivated personally.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 12, 2018 17:45:36 GMT
Um, just because someone trying to kill you isn't personal doesn't mean they aren't your enemy. Most soldiers aren't motivated personally while fighting but they are still enemies to each other. Even Loghain, who hired Zevran to kill you, isn't doing it against you personally. Most soldiers pretty motivated personally – a mercenary and an assassin less. How so? Sure a soldier may be motivated to fight the opposing nation but doesn't usually hold any ill will towards any soldier on the other side personally. I'd argue an assassin is more personally motivated since killing the person is what gets them paid. Their livelihood is on the line, while for a soldier depending on the time period either get paid whether there is fighting or not or don't have that as their primary occupation so their livelihood isn't threatened. Point is, Zevran is your enemy when you meet him. Whether it is personal or not is irrelevant.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 12, 2018 17:51:41 GMT
Most soldiers pretty motivated personally – a mercenary and an assassin less. How so? Sure a soldier may be motivated to fight the opposing nation but doesn't usually hold any ill will towards any soldier on the other side personally. I'd argue an assassin is more personally motivated since killing the person is what gets them paid. Their livelihood is on the line, while for a soldier depending on the time period either get paid whether there is fighting or not or don't have that as their primary occupation so their livelihood isn't threatened. Point is, Zevran is your enemy when you meet him. Whether it is personal or not is irrelevant. You can pay better or give a better purpose to a mercenary/assassin, but in the normal case, it's harder to turn on a soldier against his/her homeland/purpose. But perhaps its just me. When the Warden met Zevran, he's an enemy, but after s/he beat him, he's not an enemy anymore. The Warden able to offer better value, than Loghain.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 14, 2018 3:24:59 GMT
Um, just because someone trying to kill you isn't personal doesn't mean they aren't your enemy. Most soldiers aren't motivated personally while fighting but they are still enemies to each other. Even Loghain, who hired Zevran to kill you, isn't doing it against you personally. Strictly speaking, Howe was person who hired Zevran to take out the Warden. Loghain was genuinely surprised that they had to resort to hiring assassins and his response to Howe's insistence that they needed the best was an aggravated, "Just get it done".
Howe also was responsible for imprisoning Riordan and hiring the assassins/mercenaries at the Pearl to take out the Warden or any sympathisers. The only people I can think of that could have taken their orders from Loghain were the soldiers in Lothering, as well as Ser Cauthrien.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 25, 2018 17:50:47 GMT
I think the Warden who's most likely to spare Zevran is the casteless dwarf. S/He knows what it's like to be in a business where you do horrible things, but it rarely is personal.
I'm also sure s/he can relate to having a cruel boss you want to get away from.
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Post by vertigomez on Nov 1, 2018 8:58:31 GMT
fave assassin outclassin' 😎
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Post by ventisquear on Nov 2, 2018 17:41:02 GMT
Um, just because someone trying to kill you isn't personal doesn't mean they aren't your enemy. Most soldiers aren't motivated personally while fighting but they are still enemies to each other. Even Loghain, who hired Zevran to kill you, isn't doing it against you personally. Strictly speaking, Howe was person who hired Zevran to take out the Warden. Loghain was genuinely surprised that they had to resort to hiring assassins and his response to Howe's insistence that they needed the best was an aggravated, "Just get it done".
Howe also was responsible for imprisoning Riordan and hiring the assassins/mercenaries at the Pearl to take out the Warden or any sympathisers. The only people I can think of that could have taken their orders from Loghain were the soldiers in Lothering, as well as Ser Cauthrien.
Strictly speaking, Howe needed Loghain's approval to do it. It doesn't matter how surprised he initially was, or if he did it eagerly or not - in the end, Loghain made the decision to get it done. Loghain was the REGENT, at that moment the highest position in Ferelden. Pretty much everyone would have taken their orders from him - including Howe, who was just one of his subordinates. As for hiring/not hiring Zevran, it depends on how you roleplay it. I tried once to kill him and once to send him away. But those were equally disgusted by a monster who murdered a family, including children, because they didn't know where he dropped his sword, and left him to die. The others had various reasons for freeing Sten and sparing Zevran. And most of them ended being friends with Sten and in love with Zevran.
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Post by vertigomez on Nov 6, 2018 20:17:30 GMT
Aaaand some fanart:
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Post by coldwetn0se on Nov 9, 2018 5:51:13 GMT
Yaaaaay, so glad to have a new convert.... err, appreciator. What do you like about Zev's romance? What I liked about the romance was how it cut through all of Zev's bravado and exposed his more vulnerable side. I got the sense that his upbringing in a brothel and time with the Crows have left Zev with some major issues when it comes to his own self-worth. Several times he seems unsure how to respond when the Warden shows him love or kindness without any ulterior motive behind it, as if he expects to be discarded when he's no longer useful. And like Morrigan, when he realises that the Warden's feelings are genuine and unconditional, he clearly struggles to feel worthy of the attention. By the way, what Warden and party did others use when romancing him? 'Cause I seriously struggled to find a Warden, class and party composition that worked and would let me keep him permanently in my squad. I gave up my last attempt because I got frustrated having to constantly swap people in-and-out all the time.
This is a little late, but thought I would toss my .02 in. I almost always play as a Cunning DW daggerist, and set Zev up the same way (by mid game, our backstabs are absolutely brutal ). I then grab a tank - Alistair or Shale (can't get enough of Shale's banter...weeee!) - and usually take Wynne for mage support. Like Vertigomez though, I do swap quite often for role playing reasons and banter. However, the above set up has worked really, really well for me. Cunning Rogues FTW! BTW, hope you enjoyed/are enjoying your Zev romance.
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Post by 🐰SpectrePearl🐰 on Nov 10, 2018 3:02:12 GMT
I killed zevran on my first playthrough I was roleplaying a character who showed no mercy to assassins.
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Post by coldwetn0se on Nov 13, 2018 5:47:16 GMT
Oh boy! I think I foiled my plans. Derp! So I may need a little help, or questions answered. Here is the situation (sorry for the long explanation, in advance): Haven't played Origins in nearly two years. I usually play DAO on the PC, but my new(ish) desktop doesn't have it installed currently, and I would also have to reinstall all my mods (since I can't play on PC without using said mods, lol!). So, I went ahead and started up a new PT on the xbox. My intention was to "replay" - sort of - my first Dalish Rogue. In that PT, my elf romanced Alistair, got dumped, and then started a romance with Zevran. Since most of my play throughs are Zevran romancers, I thought it would be fun to do this run again. Here is the problem: I got enough approval to get the flirts and first kiss from Alistair, so that is going as planned. HOWEVER...I did do one flirt with Zevran ("so what do you fancy?"), but I had completely forgotten that it would initiate the Zev romance. I am so used to being able to flirt once or twice with other companions in other games (DA2/I, ME and others...), that I just didn't even think about the romance triggers. I know, stupid silly me. As you can guess, the next time I went to speak to Zev he started the "what will you do with me, after the blight" bit. That is when it dawned on me that I HAD triggered his romance. DOH! The problem is, I did that first convo that triggered said romance many hours ago. I did reload the save before that last convo (regarding "what will you do with me after the blight?"), so my question(s) are now this - if I don't speak to him in camp until after the Landsmeet (which would suck, but I would do it), can I still proceed as I originally planned? Complete the romance with Alistair, have him break up with me after Landsmeet, then continue the romance with Zev? Or will I still get the "Choose!" dialog automatically at some point during the Alistair romance, because of that one flirt? It should be noted, that I am obviously not trying to go for the full Alistair AND full Zevran romance. I just RP this elf turns to her flirty friend, and things get intimate. She intends to go "adventuring" as you would say, with Zev, in the end. Anyway, sorry for the long plea for aid. Any thoughts, advice, or simply just telling me "sorry old bird! can't have your cake and ice cream now ". Thanks in advance!
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Post by coldwetn0se on Nov 13, 2018 18:41:44 GMT
After a bit of digging, I think I may be able to salvage the situation. Here are my thoughts, and if I am completely wrong, maybe someone will chime in. Since it was only the one flirt, and my gal hasn't bedded Alistair yet, I could go ahead and end the romance with Zev through the "what will you do with me after the blight" convo. I would have to choose the "I don't really care where you go" - which I hate having to use that line - since that line doesn't (supposedly) cut off romance, but simply ends the current romance trigger. All other line either keep the romance trigger active, or end and CUT OFF the romance. What is so disappointing about the replay of mine, is that the first time I played this character it was only my second PT, and I still didn't know a lot about the game. My first PT was hilariously bad. Didn't even HAVE Zevran (let him go after assassination attempt), didn't have Sten or Shale, almost didn't have Leliana either, and didn't know that romances were a "thing" until I made Alistair king and it gave me the option to marry him . I never even knew you could voluntarily go to camp and chat the companions up. HEH! So I did look up a few things on my second PT (which is what I am basing this run through on), but was still quite "green". That whole play through wasn't planned, beyond actively trying out a romance with Alistair and recruiting all companions. It was very organic. Anyway, here is hoping it works. But if not, I will just friendzone Zevran, let Alistair break up with my PC, and headcanon something with Zev. *shrug*
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Post by coldwetn0se on Nov 13, 2018 22:32:48 GMT
Ugh! I tried to find an old save before talking to Zev and initiating the romance. The only one is prior to even getting him. Apparently I was on "auto-drive" when talking to Zev in camp, and went for that first flirt like I usually do (since I romance him most of the time). I REALLY don't want to do the Fade again and the Urn of Sacred Ashes! This was meant to be a fun trip down memory lane...*le sigh* Does getting the jealousy convo, choosing Alistair (even though you take a massive hit on approval with Zev), simply end the romance and not cut you off of the romance? Anyone know?
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Post by hawkster94 on Nov 19, 2018 13:20:33 GMT
I know it makes it sound naive and stupid, but when it comes to my Amell Warden, she had a crush for Zevran as soon he joined the group. Probably something to do with his handsome face or his accent It wasn't until he shared his upbringing into the Crows and finding out the two have a lot of things in common through the hardships they went through growing up that she manages to reciprocate her feelings towards him. The flirtatious compliments she gets from him is also an added bonus too And since I'm a PC Snob, certain mods like ZDF and Intrigues of an Antivan Crow also add more flavor to the romance
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 3, 2018 0:10:41 GMT
coldwetn0se I want to help with your dilemma but I don't know how Zev's romance intersects with Alistair's or where the cutoff points are. DAO reeeeaally lets romantic relationships become entangled. In other news...... Zevran! 😍
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Post by coldwetn0se on Dec 3, 2018 7:44:05 GMT
coldwetn0se I want to help with your dilemma but I don't know how Zev's romance intersects with Alistair's or where the cutoff points are. DAO reeeeaally lets romantic relationships become entangled. In other news...... Zevran! 😍 No worries, Gomez m'dear. It's all good. I ended up going back about 15 hours (doh!), and not making the silly mistake of flirting early with Zev. I am just about to take up residence in the Arl's estate in Denerim now, and I still have two flirts left with Zev (well, one for sure and another I "think" I have ). Alistair is fully committed to my dalish rogue - just had a threesome with Izzy and him *eyebrow waggle*. My plan is to not take the persuasion check when Alistair breaks up with her, and I am leaving a handful of minor sidequests till after the Landsmeet (avoiding anything in Redcliffe, of course). This should allow for the romance with Zev to begin. It won't have the "twu wuv" ending with him, but that suits the RP I have with this particular PC. Onward and upward!
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 4, 2018 1:05:55 GMT
Found this and thought it was cute! Little Brosca and Zev appreciation.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 4, 2018 12:40:34 GMT
Found this and thought it was cute! Little Brosca and Zev appreciation. What race would their child be?
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 4, 2018 13:29:47 GMT
Found this and thought it was cute! Little Brosca and Zev appreciation. What race would their child be? They wouldn't have kids, because dwarven infertility + Warden infertility + overall likelihood of an elf and a dwarf being able to conceive. But if they did, then an elf plus a dwarf equals an elf-blooded dwarf, in the same way that an elf plus a human equals an elf-blooded human.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2018 16:39:54 GMT
Found this and thought it was cute! Little Brosca and Zev appreciation. What race would their child be? Dwarf.
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