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Post by samhain444 on Feb 25, 2019 23:13:53 GMT
Quite possible...the luxury of the FTP game is that randomized loot boxes are criticized less, although those who have bought the boxes have reported less than stellar results. Still Respawn made the smart play and released it without any lead up thus avoiding the inevitable EA-related toxicity, and it's simplified focus allowed it to do the limited amount of things it focuses on extremely well. I will not be shocker if this is their plan for games going forward. Imagine the chaos of a surprise dragon age release... It would further break EA's already broken servers...
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Post by Mobius Y on Feb 25, 2019 23:27:13 GMT
Dropping support after 1 year is the trend since DAI sadly I just want to add, Neill Blomkamp is a genius. If you haven't watched his short film yet, go seek it out. Should have built the game around his story and went from there with him directing. I realise that would have been a huge task but oh man it would have been worth it. Around a year of support is about what typical games get. Andromeda had a fairly typical support window planned. Anthem is different tho. No no, I understand that time frame. Merely saying that if Anthem’s support gets pulled before year’s end, it’ll be a little short. Especially if it’s after only a few months like Mass Effect Andromeda. There was so much more that could’ve been done with Andromeda, and still a lot of glitches that needed fixing or improving. Knowing that none of it was happening less than half a year after launch was very depressing. In all honesty Anthem needs some major fixes and content injections over the next six to nine months (or less!) to retain players and draw back new ones again. Theoretically it could see continued development through the end of 2020 if BioWare is able to turn things around. The likelihood of that happening is pretty damn low, however. But it’s not imposssible. After all, No Man’s Sky a tually transformed into a very enjoyable experience over the course of two years post-launch. Let’s face it though all three games I listed in this post could’ve greatly benefitted from delaying launch for another half year to a year.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 25, 2019 23:36:16 GMT
Around a year of support is about what typical games get. Andromeda had a fairly typical support window planned. Anthem is different tho. No no, I understand that time frame. Merely saying that if Anthem’s support gets pulled before year’s end, it’ll be a little short. Especially if it’s after only a few months like Mass Effect Andromeda. There was so much more that could’ve been done with Andromeda, and still a lot of glitches that needed fixing or improving. Knowing that none of it was happening less than half a year after launch was very depressing. In all honesty Anthem needs some major fixes and content injections over the next six to nine months (or less!) to retain players and draw back new ones again. Theoretically it could see continued development through the end of 2020 if BioWare is able to turn things around. The likelihood of that happening is pretty damn low, however. But it’s not imposssible. After all, No Man’s Sky a tually transformed into a very enjoyable experience over the course of two years post-launch. Let’s face it though all three games I listed in this post could’ve greatly benefitted from delaying launch for another half year to a year. Were getting 3 months at least now. I would suspect were on track for a year.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 25, 2019 23:37:27 GMT
The thing about these comparisons is that even EA was forecasting a larger then average digital sale for Anthem. My guess for that is due to the online aspect of the game so the servers can disappear so having a physical copy means nothing. I could be remembering the investor report wrong, but I think it was close to 50% to 60% of sales were expected to be digital. It seems to compare only physical sales to be inaccurate because of the speed people are moving to digital sales.
Someone earlier was asking about the projected sales, I believe it is based on a mathematical formula where things like pre-orders and past games will help direct the potential of sales numbers. Its not just one person picking a number out of thin air. EA actually increased that projected sales numbers multiple times over the last couple of years based on different things and I think got bumped up to six million only because of what they were seeing during the demos.
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Post by Mobius Y on Feb 25, 2019 23:38:08 GMT
No no, I understand that time frame. Merely saying that if Anthem’s support gets pulled before year’s end, it’ll be a little short. Especially if it’s after only a few months like Mass Effect Andromeda. There was so much more that could’ve been done with Andromeda, and still a lot of glitches that needed fixing or improving. Knowing that none of it was happening less than half a year after launch was very depressing. In all honesty Anthem needs some major fixes and content injections over the next six to nine months (or less!) to retain players and draw back new ones again. Theoretically it could see continued development through the end of 2020 if BioWare is able to turn things around. The likelihood of that happening is pretty damn low, however. But it’s not imposssible. After all, No Man’s Sky a tually transformed into a very enjoyable experience over the course of two years post-launch. Let’s face it though all three games I listed in this post could’ve greatly benefitted from delaying launch for another half year to a year. Were getting 3 months at least now. I would suspect were on track for a year. Fuckin’ hope so. The cynic in me is nagging “they gonna jump ship when Cataclysms come out, neener neener”.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 26, 2019 1:50:07 GMT
Were getting 3 months at least now. I would suspect were on track for a year. Fuckin’ hope so. The cynic in me is nagging “they gonna jump ship when Cataclysms come out, neener neener”. Too much invested id argue. I think EA is willing to play the long game here because of how Destiny, Division and other similar games have evolved to be successful long-term. This might be why BioWare is fairly sanguine at the moment in what their plans are going forward. I am sure they are miffed by the mixed reviews, but they are definitly taking it in stride based on the attitudes I have seen from the producers and such, and just hunkering down to work on the game. It is speculation, but I don't see them pulling the plug, at least for the time being.
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Post by bshep on Feb 26, 2019 2:17:10 GMT
Fuckin’ hope so. The cynic in me is nagging “they gonna jump ship when Cataclysms come out, neener neener”. Too much invested id argue. I think EA is willing to play the long game here because of how Destiny, Division and other similar games have evolved to be successful long-term. This might be why BioWare is fairly sanguine at the moment in what their plans are going forward. I am sure they are miffed by the mixed reviews, but they are definitly taking it in stride based on the attitudes I have seen from the producers and such, and just hunkering down to work on the game. It is speculation, but I don't see them pulling the plug, at least for the time being. They played (and are playing) the long game with SWTOR so it is not astretch to believe they are going to do the same here.
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Post by Fogg on Feb 26, 2019 7:36:56 GMT
Anthem will be supported as long enough people play it. The expensive part of creating the game is already done. Now it's time to harvest. Even if that harvest is smaller than you hoped. You already spend the money on buying farmland, seeds, machinery.
From a business perspective you'd be crazy to pull the plug on this game. You just let a small team in charge of it and as long it retains a decent player base, it will make money from microtransactions.
But Anthem can live on without BioWare from this point. So the question is not if Anthem will survive, but if BioWare will.
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Post by Aricin on Feb 26, 2019 8:24:55 GMT
The usual reports dont mention that it also was number 1 in physical sales across all 3 platforms for physical sales beating metro exodus and far cry techspotAlso, for PC Origin will skewer things quite drastically. I had not purchased BF5 and it was £60 for the Anthem digital vs £90 for the annual sub. I opted for the annual sub. I got a few AAA titles that i haven't yet bought and dont' have an issue at all. EA has multiple times states the priority is "games as a service" continued revenue is key. Whether thats a monthly sub or loot box sales etc. MS has recognized that a long time ago with shift to office365 etc. We wont know the real story until end of Q1 and potentially Q2 earning calls.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 26, 2019 8:37:09 GMT
"askagamedev" broke down the cost of games and what everyone gets in terms of a slice and they estimated that, if development cost of the game was $120 mil using an original IP (not licenced like Star Wars for example), at $60 it would need to sell 4-5 million units to break even depending on if physical copy, digital copy and if it's through someplace like Origin. Do you remember whether that estimate included engine licensing? Frostbite is essentially in-house. DICE may have some costs associated with supporting BioWare's use of it, but I wouldn't expect BioWare to be dinged the full licensing fee that outside developers would be charged. Huh? Why wouldnt they pay the full price? EA would be better off licensing the engine for full price on the market if they made below fair market price inhouse .
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 26, 2019 10:44:49 GMT
Brent Renaud @realy2cloud Aww @.deedlite sorry to hear this bit of news
Melissa Davidson @.deedlite Physical sales don't mean much in today's world. Physical sales have been down year after year for several years now. There's a really good reason why EBGames, Gamestop, etc are suffering so much.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 26, 2019 11:57:34 GMT
These two have a pretty good sense of humor, so decided to check it out. (Watch last few seconds of vid)
In this video they talk about other factors in sales and such, like Destiny being a console exclusive and having been 6 years old would result in more physical sales.
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Post by cypherj on Feb 26, 2019 12:27:23 GMT
Anthem will be supported as long enough people play it. The expensive part of creating the game is already done. Now it's time to harvest. Even if that harvest is smaller than you hoped. You already spend the money on buying farmland, seeds, machinery. From a business perspective you'd be crazy to pull the plug on this game. You just let a small team in charge of it and as long it retains a decent player base, it will make money from microtransactions. But Anthem can live on without BioWare from this point. So the question is not if Anthem will survive, but if BioWare will.
They would never pull the plug on this. Even if they have to do what SquareEnix did with Final Fantasy XIV, remake it entirely, they'll keep it going.
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Post by nanotm on Feb 26, 2019 14:02:22 GMT
given that most of the reviews on anthem are almost an exact copy of the same reviews on titanfall and that game went on to have far larger playerbase and follow up games i'd be amazed if anthem doesnt get it
there are rumours of books and movie tie ins theres a plethora of clothing and accessories on sale already for the game and you dont put in that much effort and not make back what it cost you to make the game
I suspect that unless something really bad happens in the next few months anthem will be around for a long time, in many ways its capable of becoming one of the best games ever, the problem is EA makes money by making a project bankrupt (thats why westwood studios disappeared after EA bought them) bioware has at least learnt from such things by making each IP a shell company that takes on internal loans and even if it goes down the pan with massive losses the company and its employees remain safe (as evidenced by ME:A) and just for info MEA apparently made more sales than me3 in the digital arena however it had such massive problems that EA yanked funding for it (mostly because they paid attention to socioploitical agenda's that didnt gel with players, making stupid "inclusivity" decisions that fly in the face of logic (like seriously wall eye, who thought some military type wouldn't have that fixed in an era when they have computers in your brain, and colonists who couldn't actually mate for reproduction... maybe a couple of emergency stowaways might hit that category but they certainly wouldn't be part of mission control) and lets ignore the mp side of the game, seriously they monetised the shit out of it, there was a report that some dude spent $16k on the loot boxes to max their manifest.... just why.... for epeen… and there were people streaming them blowing thousands on the store just to open boxes for viewers (fantastic marketing and revenue for EA especially since none of it was duplicated nor was any of it transferable), MEA likely still makes money for EA (because folks love to waste money) and I wouldn't be overly surprised to see mea either rereleased or mea2 come out in the future and have them use the tragic bad animations and stuff as a marketing ploy so the critics cant trash it to the same degree... because it made so much money from sales despite the fact they closed down the project group early
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Post by hawkspian on Feb 26, 2019 15:09:44 GMT
How much of this do you think is also due to it being a new IP? Bugs and problems aside for a moment I noticed in the aorticle it compared it to destiny 2. Thay had a fanbase established so that may also be a contributing factor. Fair point, but how did Apex Legends turn so successful then? Player being sick of drab maps in PUBG? It's free.
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Post by bshep on Feb 26, 2019 16:07:13 GMT
The usual reports dont mention that it also was number 1 in physical sales across all 3 platforms for physical sales beating metro exodus and far cry techspotAlso, for PC Origin will skewer things quite drastically. I had not purchased BF5 and it was £60 for the Anthem digital vs £90 for the annual sub. I opted for the annual sub. I got a few AAA titles that i haven't yet bought and dont' have an issue at all. EA has multiple times states the priority is "games as a service" continued revenue is key. Whether thats a monthly sub or loot box sales etc. MS has recognized that a long time ago with shift to office365 etc. We wont know the real story until end of Q1 and potentially Q2 earning calls. Cherry picking is the key for the good "let's spread negativity for grabbing more clicks" mentality. Fair point, but how did Apex Legends turn so successful then? Player being sick of drab maps in PUBG? It's free. It also dropped from nowhere which stopped the hate-mongerings from gaining views/clicks with videos and articles at the expense of the game. Now imagine if this was announced last year. The amount of articles/videos hating on this game for "killing" Titanfall would be really big i bet.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 26, 2019 16:09:21 GMT
The usual reports dont mention that it also was number 1 in physical sales across all 3 platforms for physical sales beating metro exodus and far cry techspotAlso, for PC Origin will skewer things quite drastically. I had not purchased BF5 and it was £60 for the Anthem digital vs £90 for the annual sub. I opted for the annual sub. I got a few AAA titles that i haven't yet bought and dont' have an issue at all. EA has multiple times states the priority is "games as a service" continued revenue is key. Whether thats a monthly sub or loot box sales etc. MS has recognized that a long time ago with shift to office365 etc. We wont know the real story until end of Q1 and potentially Q2 earning calls. Cherry picking is the key for the good "let's spread negativity for grabbing more clicks" mentality. It also dropped from nowhere which stopped the hate-mongerings from gaining views/clicks with videos and articles at the expense of the game. Now imagine if this was announced last year. The amount of articles/videos hating on this game for "killing" Titanfall would be really big i bet. doubtful as they made it clear they are also working on a proper titanfall game...apex is a very successful stopgap
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Post by bshep on Feb 26, 2019 16:19:49 GMT
Cherry picking is the key for the good "let's spread negativity for grabbing more clicks" mentality. It also dropped from nowhere which stopped the hate-mongerings from gaining views/clicks with videos and articles at the expense of the game. Now imagine if this was announced last year. The amount of articles/videos hating on this game for "killing" Titanfall would be really big i bet. doubtful as they made it clear they are also working on a proper titanfall game...apex is a very successful stopgap Some people are review bombing metro games just because the publisher changed online store. A studio trying something new is a field day.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 26, 2019 16:24:10 GMT
doubtful as they made it clear they are also working on a proper titanfall game...apex is a very successful stopgap Some people are review bombing metro games just because the publisher changed online store. A studio trying something new is a field day. uhm...to their defense....a dev reacted in such a dumb way that I saw this coming. Then again I can see how this exclusivity deal can piss off a lot of people due to the fact the epic store is way subpar as I understand it
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Post by Polka Dot on Feb 26, 2019 16:33:34 GMT
Do you remember whether that estimate included engine licensing? Frostbite is essentially in-house. DICE may have some costs associated with supporting BioWare's use of it, but I wouldn't expect BioWare to be dinged the full licensing fee that outside developers would be charged. Huh? Why wouldnt they pay the full price? EA would be better off licensing the engine for full price on the market if they made below fair market price inhouse . From EA's perspective, any money exchanged between DICE and BioWare is just an internal transfer, since EA owns both companies. Any licensing fees DICE would charge BioWare would show up as additional revenue for DICE, but it would be offset by a higher expense for BioWare. That BioWare uses Frostbite does not prevent DICE from also licensing it to other companies for their use.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 26, 2019 16:34:56 GMT
Too much invested id argue. I think EA is willing to play the long game here because of how Destiny, Division and other similar games have evolved to be successful long-term. This might be why BioWare is fairly sanguine at the moment in what their plans are going forward. I am sure they are miffed by the mixed reviews, but they are definitly taking it in stride based on the attitudes I have seen from the producers and such, and just hunkering down to work on the game. It is speculation, but I don't see them pulling the plug, at least for the time being. They played (and are playing) the long game with SWTOR so it is not astretch to believe they are going to do the same here. Around the time The Old Republic went F2P in one year according to AskAGameDev it made around a billion dollars in profit for EA. In the age of live services and micro transactions and the such proclaiming how bad a game is doing is only doing so with a fraction of the information at hand.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 26, 2019 16:45:13 GMT
doubtful as they made it clear they are also working on a proper titanfall game...apex is a very successful stopgap Some people are review bombing metro games just because the publisher changed online store. A studio trying something new is a field day. You guys that are upset about the reviews need to stop lumping together the review bombers - i.e. silly little children puting 0/10 in the User Review on Metacritic - with everyone else, i.e. professional reviewers from websites and people who go into in depth analysis on Youtube. There is probably a little overlap between the 0/10 dumbasses and the Youtube reviewers, but not much. I guarantee you SkillUp did not go put a 0/10 down. Neither did AngryJoe, or Sam from Ars Technica, or Ethan from Kotaku, on and on. The little angry children crowd - those are the "review bombers", and those are meaningless. Literally no body gives a fuck about their opinion. It is less than worthless. Anthem has scored a 4 to a 7 from reputable, professional, in-depth reviewers. That's not a review bomb. That is the state of the game at launch.
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Post by bshep on Feb 26, 2019 16:52:10 GMT
Pre-launch would be the correct term since the game was release on 22/02 and the day one patch only came a day before.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 26, 2019 16:53:24 GMT
Some people are review bombing metro games just because the publisher changed online store. A studio trying something new is a field day. You guys that are upset about the reviews need to stop lumping together the review bombers - i.e. silly little children puting 0/10 in the User Review on Metacritic - with everyone else, i.e. professional reviewers from websites and people who go into in depth analysis on Youtube. There is probably a little overlap between the 0/10 dumbasses and the Youtube reviewers, but not much. I guarantee you SkillUp did not go put a 0/10 down. Neither did AngryJoe, or Sam from Ars Technica, or Ethan from Kotaku, on and on. The little angry children crowd - those are the "review bombers", and those are meaningless. Literally no body gives a fuck about their opinion. It is less than worthless. Anthem has scored a 4 to a 7 from reputable, professional, in-depth reviewers. That's not a review bomb. That is the state of the game at launch. but dont you know? No one should ever listen to reviewers in general...not user scores now...OR content creators either it seems now
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 26, 2019 16:53:51 GMT
Huh? Why wouldnt they pay the full price? EA would be better off licensing the engine for full price on the market if they made below fair market price inhouse . From EA's perspective, any money exchanged between DICE and BioWare is just an internal transfer, since EA owns both companies. Any licensing fees DICE would charge BioWare would show up as additional revenue for DICE, but it would be offset by a higher expense for BioWare. That BioWare uses Frostbite does not prevent DICE from also licensing it to other companies for their use. Ye, but any money you sell a service at under market price is lost profit. Because you could have made more on the market. Is maybe not so essential a lesson in the services industry, but if you e.g. sold raw materials below market price the loss is real, because that are good with limited quantities. Anyway, it is good practice to check if all the business units function properly under fair market conditions, for if they don't and you start subsidizing with cheaper labour / service / raw mat cost, something isn't right in the system.
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