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Post by Absafraginlootly on Feb 27, 2019 3:37:11 GMT
Tell me what backgrounds and origins you want to see for the next pc! This isn't a "who should be the protagonist of DA4" thread so if you want to see the inquisitor return, tell us about the backgrounds you'd like to see for the pc/game after that.Some I think would be cool: Gladiator - Tal Vashoth - M/W/R - Having rejected the Qun and fled, they've since fought their way to many victories in the Tevinter Arena, they are now a famous gladiator in the city of X, allowing them to move freely despite their appearance. As a local celebrity they've been invited to a party held by the prominet family Y. Slave - Elf/Human - M/W/R - Their Grandparents had to sell themselves into slavery to pay off their debts, 2 generations later the family is still enslaved. - Developing their fighting skills made them valuable as a slave and they are now owned by the Altus family Y
- Their magical abilities has made them a valuable slave and they are now owned by the Altus family Y
They can but hope that one day they'll be able to become Liberati.
Ben-Hassrath "Slave" - Qunari/Elf - W/R - They are an agent of the Qun. They've allowed themselves to be enslaved so as to gather information for the Ben-hassrath. Currently they are installed in the household of the altus family Y, an ideal position to gather vital intel. Ambassadoria - Dwarf - W/R - A member of the Ambassadoria, they are sent to a pary given by Y along with other respresentatives and guards, no doubt Y will attempt to curry their favour. Sha-Brytol - Dwarf - P*/W/R - Sent by Valta to act as her agent, one of many, on the surface, they pretend they are just another new surfacer from Orzammer. An ancient relic (a lyrium idol perhaps?) has been mysteriously stolen, they've been sent to gather information about whom and why. Your skill has allowed you to acquire a position as a bodyguard of an ambassadorial representative in the city of X, you will accompany them to a party at the household of Y, a prominent collector of relics of suspect source. Laetan - Human** - M/W/R - Their mother was the first mage in their family, elevating them from soporati to laetan, since then she has risen to great prominence, she holds one of only three seats allowed to the Laetan class in the Magisterium. - Fortunately, they and their sibling were born mages and will further the families status.
- Fortunately, their sibling was born a mage and will further the families status.
They've been invited to a party held by Y, an Altus family, where they will be expected to represent their family and their Magister Mother fittingly.
*Pure - new class, given titan powers like Valta, alternately a unique spec for warrior and rogue available to this background **An elf could have this background too, if the qun operative background doesn't work for the story, though child of a different Laetan Magister since those 3 would presumably be set. These run with the assumption of non-playable backgrounds, with all characters starting at the Altus family Y's party in the city of X. But you could have them converge elsewhere I expect. If there were actual playable origins then I'd expect there to be less of them since they've talked about how expensive resourcewise origins are. So like, 3 or 4 instead of 6. Like the Laetan Human, Ambassadoria dwarf, and either Tal vashoth gladiator and the elf slave or just one of those for both elf and tal vashoth.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 27, 2019 11:54:54 GMT
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Post by theascendent on Feb 27, 2019 12:44:43 GMT
Well thought out and diverse, a few unlikely but pretty good so far.
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 27, 2019 13:19:57 GMT
While playable origins are a big resource drain, I'm OK with them adding more dialogue options and unique scenarios for each origin. Moving on to what I'd like to see, in terms of race and class-specific origins: - Human Altus Mage (A must-have if DA4 takes place in Tevinter. They could have certain quests dealing with Tevinter society become easier to complete with this origin, while affecting potential standing with the Qunari.) - Dalish Hunter (if Warrior or Rogue) or Keeper (if Mage) (Like with HAM and Tevinter, a Dalish protagonist has the potetnial for some unique scenarios, especially in the wake of all that Dread Wolf fuckery.) - Tal-Vashoth (Yes, I specifically want Tal-Vashoth over regular Vashoth. Could really put a dent in your relations with both Qunari and Tevinter.) - Dwarven Exile, Ambassadoria or SurfacerNot to mention potential other backgrounds that can work independently of race or class: - Slave- Mercenary/Gladiator
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 27, 2019 13:24:00 GMT
I would really like to play an altus soporati. Even if one's family is accepting (not every family is the same), altus society will largely not be, and I'd like to explore those dynamics and build a character for whom that has an impact on his development and outlook (and consequently the decisions he would make in the game).
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Post by anarchy65 on Feb 27, 2019 14:32:09 GMT
Mage: You understood the dangers of magic early in life when, as a child, you accidentaly killed your mother. Your father sent you to the Circle, and you fled after the rebellion. Will you try to contain the magic inside you or use it for redemption? (Could have a nice origin mission of finding your father)
Noble: You're the last descendant of an old fereldan family that were the first to surrender when Orlais invaded. After Maric's rebellion, your family was exiled from Ferelden for that shame. Will you work to restore it on foreign lands?
Tal-Vashoth: You found out your lover was brainwashed to not loving you anymore. You killed the priest responsible and ran away, hunted by your own kin and lover. Will you seek vengeance or to reform the Qun?
Dalish: During your initiation mission, you found a beast beautiful as you have never seen. When you looked it in the eye, it disappeared. You've made your personal mission to find it again... but what do you intend to do with it?
Dwarf: You're an unique dwarf, because you've been having strange dreams, someone calling you by name. The big problem is dwarves aren't supposed to dream! You set on a journey, guiding yourself where to go, with the voice getting louder and lower on whether you are close or far.
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Post by Blaze on Feb 27, 2019 15:52:52 GMT
you covered most of it, plus extra. i do like the ability to choose between backgrounds. but i would like to add thief, which should be for all races but rogue specific. though a qunari thief would be tal-vashoth/vashoth, for obvious reasons*
nobles should be mages only this time, like an altus from a tevinter family. and as much as i love ferelden, we really don't need to play as a fereldan character again.
*there probably are thieves among the qunari, but they would be reeducated, so i doubt it last or happen often.
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 27, 2019 17:26:53 GMT
I have two in mind...
1. Magister's Heir. The Player Character is either the golden child (if a mage) or the black sheep of the family (if they were born without the gift of magic). I think the latter one would be particularly interesting 'cause so far magic has always been a negative thing but it's the opposite in Tevinter, so why not explore that?
2. Slave. This would probably be the origin/background for non-human characters.
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Post by Blaze on Feb 27, 2019 18:57:23 GMT
Slave. This would probably be the origin/background for non-human characters. why? there are human slaves.
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 27, 2019 19:01:49 GMT
Slave. This would probably be the origin/background for non-human characters. why? there are human slaves. Because there are no elven/dwarf/qunari magisters. I was thinking it might be unfair for one race to have more origin/background options than the others but I don't really care either way.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 27, 2019 19:12:48 GMT
I'll put my support behind the Tevinter backgrounds mentioned above: slave, laetan and magister's heir, and add "soporati merchant" as an in-between background. I think we'd have the major social classes covered then.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 1, 2019 7:32:31 GMT
Well thought out and diverse, a few unlikely but pretty good so far. Ha, yeah, its more about what I think would be fun then what I think is likely. Plus I figure if they're gonna continue to have the backgrounds unplayed and their locations never visited like in DAI then they can afford to do some crazier stuff that would be too expensive to make for a playable origin.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 1, 2019 11:21:01 GMT
Because there are no elven/dwarf/qunari magisters. I was thinking it might be unfair for one race to have more origin/background options than the others but I don't really care either way. Has it ever been confirmed that Elven mages in Tevinter can't join the Magisterium?
Danarius promised Varania he would take her on as an apprentice in exchange for selling out Fenris. This might indicate that Elven mages can attain (with the help of a wealthy patron) some degree of power and influence in Tevinter society, even if it's not possible for them to actually become magisters.
I doubt that Danarius ever intended to honour the deal, but was taking Elven apprentices another lie? Do they actually exist and the prospect of becoming one was enough to get Varania to sell out her brother, or was she so desperate to escape poverty that she was willing to believe any outlandish thing he said?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 1, 2019 11:28:28 GMT
Because there are no elven/dwarf/qunari magisters. I was thinking it might be unfair for one race to have more origin/background options than the others but I don't really care either way. Has it ever been confirmed that Elven mages in Tevinter can't join the Magisterium?
Danarius promised Varania he would take her on as an apprentice in exchange for selling out Fenris. This might indicate that Elven mages can attain (with the help of a wealthy patron) some degree of power and influence in Tevinter society, even if it's not possible for them to actually become magisters.
I doubt that Danarius ever intended to honour the deal, but was taking Elven apprentices another lie? Do they actually exist and the prospect of becoming one was enough to get Varania to sell out her brother, or was she so desperate to escape poverty that she was willing to believe any outlandish thing he said?
Well most of the seats are reserved only for altus which i think are all human, but there are 3 seats for laetan magisters, and any soporati becomes a laetan if they're born a mage, so unless there are no soporati elves and all elves in tevinter are slaves, liberati (liberated slave) or foreigners it should be possible to have a elven magister.
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Post by Reznore on Mar 1, 2019 11:36:40 GMT
Has it ever been confirmed that Elven mages in Tevinter can't join the Magisterium?
Danarius promised Varania he would take her on as an apprentice in exchange for selling out Fenris. This might indicate that Elven mages can attain (with the help of a wealthy patron) some degree of power and influence in Tevinter society, even if it's not possible for them to actually become magisters.
I doubt that Danarius ever intended to honour the deal, but was taking Elven apprentices another lie? Do they actually exist and the prospect of becoming one was enough to get Varania to sell out her brother, or was she so desperate to escape poverty that she was willing to believe any outlandish thing he said?
Dorian claims he's never met elves that weren't slaves, and he's been around Tevinter important cities and political wolrd. Besides if memory serves the class system is build in such a way, if you were a slave, even once freed, you're kept from any political power.
I imagine elven mage can get trained, but chances of anything decent is close to zero. And Varania trusting Danarius speaks for itself, same story as Fenris. He went through the training and fighting to give a better future for his family. Except there was none to be had. Once freed, VArania and her mother could barely make a life for themselves. Danarius sign some paper and throw them out, she found out life was better as a slave. And slave life sucks to beging with. My money is on desperation.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 1, 2019 11:44:28 GMT
Well most of the seats are reserved only for altus which i think are all human, but there are 3 seats for laetan magisters, and any soporati becomes a laetan if their born a mage, so unless there are no soporati elves and all elves in tevinter are slaves, liberati (liberated slave) or foreigners it should be possible to have a elven magister. Dorian implies that the lower classes and slaves believe that any mage child they have has the chance to climb the ladder in their society, even if it's not entirely all it's cracked up to be. Perhaps that's what keeps some Elven slaves complacent, the belief that elves with magic will become equal to human mages? Even if in reality, gaining magic does not automatically guarantee freedom (Calpernia was still a slave even after her magic manifested) and Laetans might look down on Liberati for being born in bondage.
(Seriously Bioware, give us some information on what the deal exactly is with Elven mages in Tevinter already?)
If Elves can become Magisters, how great would it be for Elven protagonist to become one? Especially if we get a chance to face off with Solas, as I'd expect he might have some choice words for us having become the modern day equivalent to one of the Evanuris.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 1, 2019 12:16:43 GMT
Well most of the seats are reserved only for altus which i think are all human, but there are 3 seats for laetan magisters, and any soporati becomes a laetan if their born a mage, so unless there are no soporati elves and all elves in tevinter are slaves, liberati (liberated slave) or foreigners it should be possible to have a elven magister. Dorian implies that the lower classes and slaves believe that any mage child they have has the chance to climb the ladder in their society, even if it's not entirely all it's cracked up to be. Perhaps that's what keeps some Elven slaves complacent, the belief that elves with magic will become equal to human mages? Even if in reality, gaining magic does not automatically guarantee freedom (Calpernia was still a slave even after her magic manifested) and Laetans might look down on Liberati for being born in bondage.
(Seriously Bioware, give us some information on what the deal exactly is with Elven mages in Tevinter already?) If Elves can become Magisters, how great would it be for Elven protagonist to become one? Especially if we get a chance to face off with Solas, as I'd expect he might have some choice words for us having become the modern day equivalent to one of the Evanuris.
well the wiki (source from wot) sais: Being able to join the circle is presumably still a big step up to dream for even if you can't become a magister or get any other position of power, I'm guessing it provides a level of security against becoming so destitue that you end up enslaved again. I wonder if we'll get the chance to abolish the liberati subclass and get them the same rights as a soporati, its not as good as abolishing slavery all together but it might be more achievable.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 1, 2019 13:02:09 GMT
Danarius promised Varania he would take her on as an apprentice in exchange for selling out Fenris. I played the game last year. She does actually say "magister." Then Fenris replies, "You sold out your own brother to become a magister?" Grated, she would have to be an apprentice first, as the wiki says, "Young mages often aspire to become a magister's apprentice because it offers them the best chance of ascending to the rank of magister," but that was the promise stated in the game. Because there are no elven/dwarf/qunari magisters. I was thinking it might be unfair for one race to have more origin/background options than the others but I don't really care either way. Has it ever been confirmed that Elven mages in Tevinter can't join the Magisterium? Danarius promised Varania he would take her on as an apprentice in exchange for selling out Fenris. This might indicate that Elven mages can attain (with the help of a wealthy patron) some degree of power and influence in Tevinter society, even if it's not possible for them to actually become magisters.
I doubt that Danarius ever intended to honour the deal, but was taking Elven apprentices another lie? Do they actually exist and the prospect of becoming one was enough to get Varania to sell out her brother, or was she so desperate to escape poverty that she was willing to believe any outlandish thing he said?
I think it should have been made more clear at some point that Danarius's promise was total bullshit. She believed it because she is ignorant of how things work and because she wanted to. From what the DAwiki suggests, the Magisterium itself has final say over its members. While some individuals may be disliked for whatever reason -- I doubt Dorian is none too popular -- there would be little support for denying membership to a member of a prominent family. But an elf? Why would they give two thoughts about refusing that person?
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Post by theascendent on Mar 1, 2019 13:30:05 GMT
As long as the lore is consistent that is my preference.
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Post by Zemgus on Mar 1, 2019 18:01:01 GMT
Dorian implies that the lower classes and slaves believe that any mage child they have has the chance to climb the ladder in their society, even if it's not entirely all it's cracked up to be. Perhaps that's what keeps some Elven slaves complacent, the belief that elves with magic will become equal to human mages? Even if in reality, gaining magic does not automatically guarantee freedom (Calpernia was still a slave even after her magic manifested) and Laetans might look down on Liberati for being born in bondage.
(Seriously Bioware, give us some information on what the deal exactly is with Elven mages in Tevinter already?) If Elves can become Magisters, how great would it be for Elven protagonist to become one? Especially if we get a chance to face off with Solas, as I'd expect he might have some choice words for us having become the modern day equivalent to one of the Evanuris.
well the wiki (source from wot) sais: Being able to join the circle is presumably still a big step up to dream for even if you can't become a magister or get any other position of power, I'm guessing it provides a level of security against becoming so destitue that you end up enslaved again. I wonder if we'll get the chance to abolish the liberati subclass and get them the same rights as a soporati, its not as good as abolishing slavery all together but it might be more achievable. I like this idea. Fixing every single thing that's "wrong" with Thedas would make it a lot less interesting place (not to mention how unbelievable it is that one player character can solve every single problem just like that). Kinda like what happened with Mass Effect. The original trilogy had interesting and realistic politics and conflicts while MEA's "we're all in the same boat here" just made the story boring.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 1, 2019 18:24:32 GMT
My dream playthrough of DA4 would be a subverted outsider/underdog reforming the system kinda deal which requires an elf or qunari slave who winds up having magical potential so that they can join the higher echelons of Tevinter society.
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Post by cribbian on Mar 2, 2019 13:06:19 GMT
Something something Tevinter Something...
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 2, 2019 13:49:08 GMT
I want to be a Human Altus Mage really.
Equally fun would be a Human from an important mage family that has no magical skills whatsoever.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 2, 2019 21:43:21 GMT
I want to be a Human Altus Mage really. Equally fun would be a Human from an important mage family that has no magical skills whatsoever. the last one please.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 2, 2019 21:49:04 GMT
I want to be a Human Altus Mage really. Equally fun would be a Human from an important mage family that has no magical skills whatsoever. the last one please. It would be fairly straightforward to do both actually. If they retain the concept of the Mage/Warrior/Rogue class, a Human character who picks the "Altus origin" or whatever would have a different starting experience depending on their class. Imagine a scene where you are to meet you and your sibling are to meet your mother before you do something. If you're a Mage, the scene involves you mother being proud of you and showering you with a kind of self-serving love. If you're a Warrior or Rogue, your mother treats you almost with disdain and disappointment. Your sibling has the opposite experience, and you react to it differently depending on your personality. Bonus points if your sibling is a sweetheart as a warrior/rogue but a complete jerk if they're a mage, just to drill how being a mage in Tevinter can change you.
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